GeoAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 10:05 pm

Canales would likely have no shot if he weren't a former Aggie. Given the state of our program over most if the last 4 decades or so ( with the exception of the last 10 years) being an Aggie should have absolutely no bearing on the decision. It isn't like we are drawing on tradition like Michigan or USC.

GeoAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 10:05 pm

Canales would likely have no shot if he weren't a former Aggie. Given the state of our program over most if the last 4 decades or so ( with the exception of the last 10 years) being an Aggie should have absolutely no bearing on the decision. It isn't like we are drawing on tradition like Michigan or USC.

GeoAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 10:06 pm

CrazyAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 10:03 pm

brownjeans wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:45 pm

Every time there's a coaching opening there's a wave of sentiment for former Aggie players and coaches. Remove the association with USU and no one would think any of these candidates are worth considering.

Canales association with USU is the only reason we have a chance at him. Yes remove the sentiment and we have no chance at him. Remember when Anderson used to talk about the list of coaches who told him not to take the USU job because it is a coaching graveyard? Wonder if he still has that list.

Again show me a better FBS resume willing to even consider this job. I'll wait....

Nope. His association is the only reason he is getting considered. He probably wouldn't get a sniff anywhere else in the country.

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 10:07 pm

GeoAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 10:05 pm

Canales would likely have no shot if he weren't a former Aggie. Given the state of our program over most if the last 4 decades or so ( with the exception of the last 10 years) being an Aggie should have absolutely no bearing on the decision. It isn't like we are drawing on tradition like Michigan or USC.

^ this

I dont think Chico or Jay hill are the answer or have a real shot at it.

GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:54 pm

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:47 pm

ChowderAggie wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:33 pm

CrazyAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 7:15 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 7:10 pm

CrazyAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 6:46 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 6:23 pm

So Canales has been the Utep Offensive Coordinator for the past 3 seasons. In 2018, Utep went 1-11 and had the 127th ranked scoring offense in the country. In 2019 they went 1-11 and Utep had the 119th ranked scoring offense in the country. This year they are a little better at 3-4, but have the 110th ranked scoring offense in the country.
Before that he was the QB coach at Tennessee during the 2017 season when they went 4-8 (0-8 in the SEC), in 2016 he was the Associate HC at USU where we had our worst season since 2008; before this one. From 2010-2015 he was the offensive coordinator at North Texas where during that time North Texas had a total of 1 winning season.

I 100% get that it isn't all his fault, but if we were to hire Canales we would be hiring a coach that has only been part of one winning season since he was at South Florida in 2009. I'm sorry, but we can do better.

So winning as an assistant where you are is the only factor? Seems like pretty bad tunnel vision. Does that means the only sufficient candidate we can get is someone on a run at a low level? Why not hire Corner Canyon's coach? Why would you punish him for being at a spot where he is building a program like he is doing currently, and improving it currently? Success is not a function of wins and losses as an assistant. Did you see Matt Well's win/loss before coming to USU?

If you throw out, we can do better, it would be lazy not to have a list with someone who has a better resume, and someone willing to come to USU. Name someone with a better resume, willing to take the job?

I like Chico, he is an aggie and would love to have the job. In my opinion that does not translate to being a successful head coach here. His resume is pretty good, but if it is so good how come other schools in the G5 have not given him the head coaching positions? I think we would be selling ourselves short by just giving the job to him because he has a decent resume and has worked at a lot P5 schools. Unfortunately the ship has probably sailed for him to get a head coaching job. That does not make him a bad coach, as his career has been successful. In my opinion we need an up and coming coordinator or a an established head coach at the FCS level that will ignite passion and energize the team and fanbase. I don't think Chico is that answer. I know you don't agree with that which is fine.

Up and comer from an FCS contender. Like an Arsalanian or a Dennehy? Again I'd just like to see a resume of a preferred candidate and compare it.

I compared Jay Hill’s resume and believe it’s far better than Canales. I like how Utah retained Hill for so many years. Wow, he must have been a keeper. He then takes a head coaching opportunity and leads the team to the national playoffs. I also like that he’s still in Utah.

The resumes are not comparable as Jay Hills is far stronger.

Bopping from job to job for a while is ok, but if you keep bopping around, somethings wrong.

Jay Hill has zero wins vs FBS as a head coach or coordinator

And Jay Hill only gets one or two shots a year and doesn't have FBS resources.

CrazyAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 6:46 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 6:23 pm

So Canales has been the Utep Offensive Coordinator for the past 3 seasons. In 2018, Utep went 1-11 and had the 127th ranked scoring offense in the country. In 2019 they went 1-11 and Utep had the 119th ranked scoring offense in the country. This year they are a little better at 3-4, but have the 110th ranked scoring offense in the country.
Before that he was the QB coach at Tennessee during the 2017 season when they went 4-8 (0-8 in the SEC), in 2016 he was the Associate HC at USU where we had our worst season since 2008; before this one. From 2010-2015 he was the offensive coordinator at North Texas where during that time North Texas had a total of 1 winning season.

I 100% get that it isn't all his fault, but if we were to hire Canales we would be hiring a coach that has only been part of one winning season since he was at South Florida in 2009. I'm sorry, but we can do better.

So winning as an assistant where you are is the only factor? Seems like pretty bad tunnel vision. Does that means the only sufficient candidate we can get is someone on a run at a low level? Why not hire Corner Canyon's coach? Why would you punish him for being at a spot where he is building a program like he is doing currently, and improving it currently? Success is not a function of wins and losses as an assistant. Did you see Matt Well's win/loss before coming to USU?

If you throw out, we can do better, it would be lazy not to have a list with someone who has a better resume, and someone willing to come to USU. Name someone with a better resume, willing to take the job?

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 10:19 pm

Was it last year that Hill almost beat the best team in our league this year (nevada)? It was like 6-3 or something

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 10:28 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 10:23 pm

Elkaggie wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 10:19 pm

Was it last year that Hill almost beat the best team in our league this year (nevada)? It was like 6-3 or something

6-0 loss to SDSU.

Ok, I thought they played Nevada in the last couple years under Hill. Not the first time I’ve been wrong.

MWCFAN12 wrote:

2004AG wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:54 pm

MWCFAN12 wrote:

ChowderAggie wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:33 pm

CrazyAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 7:15 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 7:10 pm

CrazyAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 6:46 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 6:23 pm

So Canales has been the Utep Offensive Coordinator for the past 3 seasons. In 2018, Utep went 1-11 and had the 127th ranked scoring offense in the country. In 2019 they went 1-11 and Utep had the 119th ranked scoring offense in the country. This year they are a little better at 3-4, but have the 110th ranked scoring offense in the country.
Before that he was the QB coach at Tennessee during the 2017 season when they went 4-8 (0-8 in the SEC), in 2016 he was the Associate HC at USU where we had our worst season since 2008; before this one. From 2010-2015 he was the offensive coordinator at North Texas where during that time North Texas had a total of 1 winning season.

I 100% get that it isn't all his fault, but if we were to hire Canales we would be hiring a coach that has only been part of one winning season since he was at South Florida in 2009. I'm sorry, but we can do better.

So winning as an assistant where you are is the only factor? Seems like pretty bad tunnel vision. Does that means the only sufficient candidate we can get is someone on a run at a low level? Why not hire Corner Canyon's coach? Why would you punish him for being at a spot where he is building a program like he is doing currently, and improving it currently? Success is not a function of wins and losses as an assistant. Did you see Matt Well's win/loss before coming to USU?

If you throw out, we can do better, it would be lazy not to have a list with someone who has a better resume, and someone willing to come to USU. Name someone with a better resume, willing to take the job?

I like Chico, he is an aggie and would love to have the job. In my opinion that does not translate to being a successful head coach here. His resume is pretty good, but if it is so good how come other schools in the G5 have not given him the head coaching positions? I think we would be selling ourselves short by just giving the job to him because he has a decent resume and has worked at a lot P5 schools. Unfortunately the ship has probably sailed for him to get a head coaching job. That does not make him a bad coach, as his career has been successful. In my opinion we need an up and coming coordinator or a an established head coach at the FCS level that will ignite passion and energize the team and fanbase. I don't think Chico is that answer. I know you don't agree with that which is fine.

Up and comer from an FCS contender. Like an Arsalanian or a Dennehy? Again I'd just like to see a resume of a preferred candidate and compare it.

I compared Jay Hill’s resume and believe it’s far better than Canales. I like how Utah retained Hill for so many years. Wow, he must have been a keeper. He then takes a head coaching opportunity and leads the team to the national playoffs. I also like that he’s still in Utah.

The resumes are not comparable as Jay Hills is far stronger.

Bopping from job to job for a while is ok, but if you keep bopping around, somethings wrong.

Jay Hill has zero wins vs FBS as a head coach or coordinator

Well yeah because he’s not an FBS coach, so that would check out.


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That didn't stop Craig Bohl from getting 7 when he was head coach at North Dakota State

CrazyAg wrote:

brownjeans wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:45 pm

Every time there's a coaching opening there's a wave of sentiment for former Aggie players and coaches. Remove the association with USU and no one would think any of these candidates are worth considering.

Canales association with USU is the only reason we have a chance at him. Yes remove the sentiment and we have no chance at him. Remember when Anderson used to talk about the list of coaches who told him not to take the USU job because it is a coaching graveyard? Wonder if he still has that list.

Again show me a better FBS resume willing to even consider this job. I'll wait....

MWCFAN12 wrote:

GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:54 pm

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:47 pm

ChowderAggie wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:33 pm

CrazyAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 7:15 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 7:10 pm

CrazyAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 6:46 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 6:23 pm

So Canales has been the Utep Offensive Coordinator for the past 3 seasons. In 2018, Utep went 1-11 and had the 127th ranked scoring offense in the country. In 2019 they went 1-11 and Utep had the 119th ranked scoring offense in the country. This year they are a little better at 3-4, but have the 110th ranked scoring offense in the country.
Before that he was the QB coach at Tennessee during the 2017 season when they went 4-8 (0-8 in the SEC), in 2016 he was the Associate HC at USU where we had our worst season since 2008; before this one. From 2010-2015 he was the offensive coordinator at North Texas where during that time North Texas had a total of 1 winning season.

I 100% get that it isn't all his fault, but if we were to hire Canales we would be hiring a coach that has only been part of one winning season since he was at South Florida in 2009. I'm sorry, but we can do better.

So winning as an assistant where you are is the only factor? Seems like pretty bad tunnel vision. Does that means the only sufficient candidate we can get is someone on a run at a low level? Why not hire Corner Canyon's coach? Why would you punish him for being at a spot where he is building a program like he is doing currently, and improving it currently? Success is not a function of wins and losses as an assistant. Did you see Matt Well's win/loss before coming to USU?

If you throw out, we can do better, it would be lazy not to have a list with someone who has a better resume, and someone willing to come to USU. Name someone with a better resume, willing to take the job?

I like Chico, he is an aggie and would love to have the job. In my opinion that does not translate to being a successful head coach here. His resume is pretty good, but if it is so good how come other schools in the G5 have not given him the head coaching positions? I think we would be selling ourselves short by just giving the job to him because he has a decent resume and has worked at a lot P5 schools. Unfortunately the ship has probably sailed for him to get a head coaching job. That does not make him a bad coach, as his career has been successful. In my opinion we need an up and coming coordinator or a an established head coach at the FCS level that will ignite passion and energize the team and fanbase. I don't think Chico is that answer. I know you don't agree with that which is fine.

Up and comer from an FCS contender. Like an Arsalanian or a Dennehy? Again I'd just like to see a resume of a preferred candidate and compare it.

I compared Jay Hill’s resume and believe it’s far better than Canales. I like how Utah retained Hill for so many years. Wow, he must have been a keeper. He then takes a head coaching opportunity and leads the team to the national playoffs. I also like that he’s still in Utah.

The resumes are not comparable as Jay Hills is far stronger.

Bopping from job to job for a while is ok, but if you keep bopping around, somethings wrong.

Jay Hill has zero wins vs FBS as a head coach or coordinator

And Jay Hill only gets one or two shots a year and doesn't have FBS resources.

And the last 2 FCS coaches to move to the MW. ( Bohl and Caragher ) both had multiple FBS wins while in FCS.
Why would Jay Hill get a pass on that? Seems kind of important.

2004AG wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 11:45 pm

CrazyAg wrote:

brownjeans wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:45 pm

Every time there's a coaching opening there's a wave of sentiment for former Aggie players and coaches. Remove the association with USU and no one would think any of these candidates are worth considering.

Canales association with USU is the only reason we have a chance at him. Yes remove the sentiment and we have no chance at him. Remember when Anderson used to talk about the list of coaches who told him not to take the USU job because it is a coaching graveyard? Wonder if he still has that list.

Again show me a better FBS resume willing to even consider this job. I'll wait....

I’m pretty sure the OC at utep would take the USU head job......with or without connections to USU.


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Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 12:11 am

2004AG wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 11:45 pm

CrazyAg wrote:

brownjeans wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:45 pm

Every time there's a coaching opening there's a wave of sentiment for former Aggie players and coaches. Remove the association with USU and no one would think any of these candidates are worth considering.

Canales association with USU is the only reason we have a chance at him. Yes remove the sentiment and we have no chance at him. Remember when Anderson used to talk about the list of coaches who told him not to take the USU job because it is a coaching graveyard? Wonder if he still has that list.

Again show me a better FBS resume willing to even consider this job. I'll wait....

I’m pretty sure the OC at utep would take the USU head job......with or without connections to USU.


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Yeah I don't mean to insult Canales, but yes it is the opposite of what he is implying. The only reason Canales is attached to the USU job by anybody is because of his connection to USU. Canales is not in demand for any Head Coaching job. He has been a mid major coordinator with subpar results for the past decade.

CrazyAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 7:15 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 7:10 pm

CrazyAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 6:46 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 6:23 pm

So Canales has been the Utep Offensive Coordinator for the past 3 seasons. In 2018, Utep went 1-11 and had the 127th ranked scoring offense in the country. In 2019 they went 1-11 and Utep had the 119th ranked scoring offense in the country. This year they are a little better at 3-4, but have the 110th ranked scoring offense in the country.
Before that he was the QB coach at Tennessee during the 2017 season when they went 4-8 (0-8 in the SEC), in 2016 he was the Associate HC at USU where we had our worst season since 2008; before this one. From 2010-2015 he was the offensive coordinator at North Texas where during that time North Texas had a total of 1 winning season.

I 100% get that it isn't all his fault, but if we were to hire Canales we would be hiring a coach that has only been part of one winning season since he was at South Florida in 2009. I'm sorry, but we can do better.

So winning as an assistant where you are is the only factor? Seems like pretty bad tunnel vision. Does that means the only sufficient candidate we can get is someone on a run at a low level? Why not hire Corner Canyon's coach? Why would you punish him for being at a spot where he is building a program like he is doing currently, and improving it currently? Success is not a function of wins and losses as an assistant. Did you see Matt Well's win/loss before coming to USU?

If you throw out, we can do better, it would be lazy not to have a list with someone who has a better resume, and someone willing to come to USU. Name someone with a better resume, willing to take the job?

I like Chico, he is an aggie and would love to have the job. In my opinion that does not translate to being a successful head coach here. His resume is pretty good, but if it is so good how come other schools in the G5 have not given him the head coaching positions? I think we would be selling ourselves short by just giving the job to him because he has a decent resume and has worked at a lot P5 schools. Unfortunately the ship has probably sailed for him to get a head coaching job. That does not make him a bad coach, as his career has been successful. In my opinion we need an up and coming coordinator or a an established head coach at the FCS level that will ignite passion and energize the team and fanbase. I don't think Chico is that answer. I know you don't agree with that which is fine.

Up and comer from an FCS contender. Like an Arsalanian or a Dennehy? Again I'd just like to see a resume of a preferred candidate and compare it.

CrazyAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 10:03 pm

brownjeans wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:45 pm

Every time there's a coaching opening there's a wave of sentiment for former Aggie players and coaches. Remove the association with USU and no one would think any of these candidates are worth considering.

Canales association with USU is the only reason we have a chance at him. Yes remove the sentiment and we have no chance at him. Remember when Anderson used to talk about the list of coaches who told him not to take the USU job because it is a coaching graveyard? Wonder if he still has that list.

Again show me a better FBS resume willing to even consider this job. I'll wait....

AngusAg wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 9:11 am

I like Mike Canales and remember watching him play. I hope that he and all the candidates get treated fairly and with respect. Beyond that, I trust Mr. Hartwell will make the best hire for USU. Good luck to Mike Canales.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 6:23 pm

So Canales has been the Utep Offensive Coordinator for the past 3 seasons. In 2018, Utep went 1-11 and had the 127th ranked scoring offense in the country. In 2019 they went 1-11 and Utep had the 119th ranked scoring offense in the country. This year they are a little better at 3-4, but have the 110th ranked scoring offense in the country.
Before that he was the QB coach at Tennessee during the 2017 season when they went 4-8 (0-8 in the SEC), in 2016 he was the Associate HC at USU where we had our worst season since 2008; before this one. From 2010-2015 he was the offensive coordinator at North Texas where during that time North Texas had a total of 1 winning season.

I 100% get that it isn't all his fault, but if we were to hire Canales we would be hiring a coach that has only been part of one winning season since he was at South Florida in 2009. I'm sorry, but we can do better.

Aggieiester wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 11:39 am

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 6:23 pm

So Canales has been the Utep Offensive Coordinator for the past 3 seasons. In 2018, Utep went 1-11 and had the 127th ranked scoring offense in the country. In 2019 they went 1-11 and Utep had the 119th ranked scoring offense in the country. This year they are a little better at 3-4, but have the 110th ranked scoring offense in the country.
Before that he was the QB coach at Tennessee during the 2017 season when they went 4-8 (0-8 in the SEC), in 2016 he was the Associate HC at USU where we had our worst season since 2008; before this one. From 2010-2015 he was the offensive coordinator at North Texas where during that time North Texas had a total of 1 winning season.

I 100% get that it isn't all his fault, but if we were to hire Canales we would be hiring a coach that has only been part of one winning season since he was at South Florida in 2009. I'm sorry, but we can do better.

Can you imagine trying to write a press release for that hire?

ChowderAggie wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 2:03 am

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 12:11 am

2004AG wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 11:45 pm

CrazyAg wrote:

brownjeans wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:45 pm

Every time there's a coaching opening there's a wave of sentiment for former Aggie players and coaches. Remove the association with USU and no one would think any of these candidates are worth considering.

Canales association with USU is the only reason we have a chance at him. Yes remove the sentiment and we have no chance at him. Remember when Anderson used to talk about the list of coaches who told him not to take the USU job because it is a coaching graveyard? Wonder if he still has that list.

Again show me a better FBS resume willing to even consider this job. I'll wait....

I’m pretty sure the OC at utep would take the USU head job......with or without connections to USU.


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Yeah I don't mean to insult Canales, but yes it is the opposite of what he is implying. The only reason Canales is attached to the USU job by anybody is because of his connection to USU. Canales is not in demand for any Head Coaching job. He has been a mid major coordinator with subpar results for the past decade.

This!!!!!

He makes like 200k and apparently wants to be a head coach.

But he wouldn’t be interested in USU @ around a million a year if he didn’t already have ties here?

Wow, just wow.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 9:37 am

AngusAg wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 9:11 am

I like Mike Canales and remember watching him play. I hope that he and all the candidates get treated fairly and with respect. Beyond that, I trust Mr. Hartwell will make the best hire for USU. Good luck to Mike Canales.

I highly doubt he is a candidate.

coolag wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 8:28 am

Fly to a turd.

CrazyAg wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 12:24 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 9:37 am

AngusAg wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 9:11 am

I like Mike Canales and remember watching him play. I hope that he and all the candidates get treated fairly and with respect. Beyond that, I trust Mr. Hartwell will make the best hire for USU. Good luck to Mike Canales.

I highly doubt he is a candidate.

He's absolutely a candidate. And conversations have taken place. That is not in question.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 12:30 pm

CrazyAg wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 12:24 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 9:37 am

AngusAg wrote: ↑

November 22nd, 2020, 9:11 am

I like Mike Canales and remember watching him play. I hope that he and all the candidates get treated fairly and with respect. Beyond that, I trust Mr. Hartwell will make the best hire for USU. Good luck to Mike Canales.

I highly doubt he is a candidate.

He's absolutely a candidate. And conversations have taken place. That is not in question.

If that is true, I hope the conversations are just a courtesy to a former Aggie. We can't afford another bad hire.

CrazyAg wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 10:03 pm

brownjeans wrote: ↑

November 21st, 2020, 9:45 pm

Every time there's a coaching opening there's a wave of sentiment for former Aggie players and coaches. Remove the association with USU and no one would think any of these candidates are worth considering.

Canales association with USU is the only reason we have a chance at him. Yes remove the sentiment and we have no chance at him. Remember when Anderson used to talk about the list of coaches who told him not to take the USU job because it is a coaching graveyard? Wonder if he still has that list.

Again show me a better FBS resume willing to even consider this job. I'll wait....