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Re: Fire Gary
When Gary finally started winning games here his last two seasons, go back and see how heavily he relied on JuCo talent to get there. Expect us to be MAJOR players in the grad transfer market after the season.
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Re: Fire Gary
Every other team in the MW given our schedule would be 0-2. Probably with similar results. Thursday will be the true test.
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Re: Fire Gary
#Facts
Boise and SDSU are and were the clear favorites coming into this year. That is why the MW let the play byu. The MW want a NYU. There is a giant huge gap in talent between those 2 teams and every other team in the MW.
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Another fact, I am very happy we are not playing BYU this year.
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Re: Fire Gary
What I've been saying all week. Let's all wait until after the Nevada game before going to extremes.
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Re: Fire Gary
The fire Gary talk is premature. Sure the team does not look good, but we are not a program that can just buy coaches out and get a new coach every time their is adversity. SDSU and Boise are really good programs. SDSU has really good lines. It is frustrating as I want to badly have the teams they do, but they are just flat out better. I do expect more and especially to be competitive, but they deserve a lot of credit.
Nevada will be a very tough test as they are playing well. I sure hope the team reaches deep and we can be competitive. Both sides are awful right now. The defense has got to stop the run and tackle better. The offense has to take some shots down field. All of SDSU's defensive players played almost strictly man coverage and were within 5 yards of the LOS. You have to take some shots down field to attempt to open it up.
Nevada will be a very tough test as they are playing well. I sure hope the team reaches deep and we can be competitive. Both sides are awful right now. The defense has got to stop the run and tackle better. The offense has to take some shots down field. All of SDSU's defensive players played almost strictly man coverage and were within 5 yards of the LOS. You have to take some shots down field to attempt to open it up.
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Re: Fire Gary
I agree. Somewhere we missed on our recruiting. It is obvious we have far less talent than two years ago and probably the worst talent since 2009Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 12:49 amThe fire Gary talk is premature. Sure the team does not look good, but we are not a program that can just buy coaches out and get a new coach every time their is adversity. SDSU and Boise are really good programs. SDSU has really good lines. It is frustrating as I want to badly have the teams they do, but they are just flat out better. I do expect more and especially to be competitive, but they deserve a lot of credit.
Nevada will be a very tough test as they are playing well. I sure hope the team reaches deep and we can be competitive. Both sides are awful right now. The defense has got to stop the run and tackle better. The offense has to take some shots down field. All of SDSU's defensive players played almost strictly man coverage and were within 5 yards of the LOS. You have to take some shots down field to attempt to open it up.
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Re: Fire Gary
It’s not just about losing to good teams. It’s that we showed 0 fight other then a couple drives in the second half against Boise. This team doesn’t look like they cared that they were getting boat raced. This team didn’t show any signs of improvement since last week and both sides of the ball look abysmal and show no promise of getting better.blueaggie wrote:Every other team in the MW given our schedule would be 0-2. Probably with similar results. Thursday will be the true test.
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Re: Fire Gary
This is frustrating, I am almost getting as disinterested in USU Football as Gary is. I take a bottle of muscle relaxers before each game and tell myself this is where we belong
Oh by the way, was there seriously a poster on here saying she was embarrassed by the fans and then came back and said USU will never be top 25 year in and year out ... EVER....what kind of fan are you buddy??? I’m guessing that is your method of hedging your disappointment.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter if we beat Nevada or not, Gary is ruining the program. Hartwell needs to fix his mistake.
Oh by the way, was there seriously a poster on here saying she was embarrassed by the fans and then came back and said USU will never be top 25 year in and year out ... EVER....what kind of fan are you buddy??? I’m guessing that is your method of hedging your disappointment.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter if we beat Nevada or not, Gary is ruining the program. Hartwell needs to fix his mistake.
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Re: Fire Gary
Hartwell was forced to hire Gary. This is not his mistake.bull wrote:This is frustrating, I am almost getting as disinterested in USU Football as Gary is. I take a bottle of muscle relaxers before each game and tell myself this is where we belong
Oh by the way, was there seriously a poster on here saying she was embarrassed by the fans and then came back and said USU will never be top 25 year in and year out ... EVER....what kind of fan are you buddy??? I’m guessing that is your method of hedging your disappointment.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter if we beat Nevada or not, Gary is ruining the program. Hartwell needs to fix his mistake.
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Re: Fire Gary
This! 3 first downs in the entire second Half and ZERO in the third quarter. Nobody expected us to win but I thought we would hang with them for 3 quarters or put up a little bit of a fight and do something to build off moving forward.TrueBlueAggie123 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 1:11 amIt’s not just about losing to good teams. It’s that we showed 0 fight other then a couple drives in the second half against Boise. This team doesn’t look like they cared that they were getting boat raced. This team didn’t show any signs of improvement since last week and both sides of the ball look abysmal and show no promise of getting better.blueaggie wrote:Every other team in the MW given our schedule would be 0-2. Probably with similar results. Thursday will be the true test.
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Re: Fire Gary
New Mexico will be favored to beat us and I'm thinking that will be our only chance for a win. That says it all about Gary in year 2.
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Re: Fire Gary
It was pretty clear that Hartwell wanted to go another direction. You still have to give some gary some time to fix it but it is hard to have confidence that it will improve.Heisenberg wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 4:54 amHartwell was forced to hire Gary. This is not his mistake.bull wrote:This is frustrating, I am almost getting as disinterested in USU Football as Gary is. I take a bottle of muscle relaxers before each game and tell myself this is where we belong
Oh by the way, was there seriously a poster on here saying she was embarrassed by the fans and then came back and said USU will never be top 25 year in and year out ... EVER....what kind of fan are you buddy??? I’m guessing that is your method of hedging your disappointment.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter if we beat Nevada or not, Gary is ruining the program. Hartwell needs to fix his mistake.
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Re: Fire Gary
Hard to fix things when you're creating more holes as a coach.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 7:46 amIt was pretty clear that Hartwell wanted to go another direction. You still have to give some gary some time to fix it but it is hard to have confidence that it will improve.Heisenberg wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 4:54 amHartwell was forced to hire Gary. This is not his mistake.bull wrote:This is frustrating, I am almost getting as disinterested in USU Football as Gary is. I take a bottle of muscle relaxers before each game and tell myself this is where we belong
Oh by the way, was there seriously a poster on here saying she was embarrassed by the fans and then came back and said USU will never be top 25 year in and year out ... EVER....what kind of fan are you buddy??? I’m guessing that is your method of hedging your disappointment.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter if we beat Nevada or not, Gary is ruining the program. Hartwell needs to fix his mistake.
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What was there to fix? Matt Wells replaced a senior laden 10 win team with our highest rated recruiting class ever which Coach Collins and Coach Maile managed to keep committed once Matt and the boys left town.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 7:46 amIt was pretty clear that Hartwell wanted to go another direction. You still have to give some gary some time to fix it but it is hard to have confidence that it will improve.Heisenberg wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 4:54 amHartwell was forced to hire Gary. This is not his mistake.bull wrote:This is frustrating, I am almost getting as disinterested in USU Football as Gary is. I take a bottle of muscle relaxers before each game and tell myself this is where we belong
Oh by the way, was there seriously a poster on here saying she was embarrassed by the fans and then came back and said USU will never be top 25 year in and year out ... EVER....what kind of fan are you buddy??? I’m guessing that is your method of hedging your disappointment.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter if we beat Nevada or not, Gary is ruining the program. Hartwell needs to fix his mistake.
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Re: Fire Gary
I have calmed down and slept on it and have come to realize that we still stink and Gary was a terrible hire.
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Re: Fire Gary
I don't disagree but there is zero chance the plug would be pulled on Gary until at least 3 years. I want to hope it will get better, but it is not easy right now. I hope to see some improvement in the coning weeks.AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 7:53 amHard to fix things when you're creating more holes as a coach.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 7:46 amIt was pretty clear that Hartwell wanted to go another direction. You still have to give some gary some time to fix it but it is hard to have confidence that it will improve.Heisenberg wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 4:54 amHartwell was forced to hire Gary. This is not his mistake.bull wrote:This is frustrating, I am almost getting as disinterested in USU Football as Gary is. I take a bottle of muscle relaxers before each game and tell myself this is where we belong
Oh by the way, was there seriously a poster on here saying she was embarrassed by the fans and then came back and said USU will never be top 25 year in and year out ... EVER....what kind of fan are you buddy??? I’m guessing that is your method of hedging your disappointment.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter if we beat Nevada or not, Gary is ruining the program. Hartwell needs to fix his mistake.
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Re: Fire Gary
We are playing like a team that was planning on NOT playing the 2020 season.
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Re: Fire Gary
Isn’t everyone in the MW in the same boat? Except AF. Serious question.
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Re: Fire Gary
I think that some teams were preparing regardless of the uncertainty and others were not.
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Re: Fire Gary
Meaning we weren't I take it? Good laws what a mistake it was to bring back Saint Gary. Away we go, literally.
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Re: Fire Gary
Gentlemen I am very aware Hartwell would not have chosen Gary if left to his own thinking. However, the reason we pay him is to make the tough decisions (like saying no to your biggest donor.). The sad reality is he didn’t. In the end it was his call. A decision I’m sure he regrets, and might be the reason he still with us.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 7:46 amIt was pretty clear that Hartwell wanted to go another direction. You still have to give some gary some time to fix it but it is hard to have confidence that it will improve.Heisenberg wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 4:54 amHartwell was forced to hire Gary. This is not his mistake.bull wrote:This is frustrating, I am almost getting as disinterested in USU Football as Gary is. I take a bottle of muscle relaxers before each game and tell myself this is where we belong
Oh by the way, was there seriously a poster on here saying she was embarrassed by the fans and then came back and said USU will never be top 25 year in and year out ... EVER....what kind of fan are you buddy??? I’m guessing that is your method of hedging your disappointment.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter if we beat Nevada or not, Gary is ruining the program. Hartwell needs to fix his mistake.
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I for one would love for Hartwell to be the guy selecting our next football coach— So, yes I think Hartwell can fix his mistake.
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Re: Fire Gary
From my understanding, the bold is not exactly accurate.bull wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 8:29 amGentlemen I am very aware Hartwell would not have chosen Gary if left to his own thinking. However, the reason we pay him is to make the tough decisions (like saying no to your biggest donor.). The sad reality is he didn’t. In the end it was his call. A decision I’m sure he regrets, and might be the reason he still with us.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 7:46 amIt was pretty clear that Hartwell wanted to go another direction. You still have to give some gary some time to fix it but it is hard to have confidence that it will improve.Heisenberg wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 4:54 amHartwell was forced to hire Gary. This is not his mistake.bull wrote:This is frustrating, I am almost getting as disinterested in USU Football as Gary is. I take a bottle of muscle relaxers before each game and tell myself this is where we belong
Oh by the way, was there seriously a poster on here saying she was embarrassed by the fans and then came back and said USU will never be top 25 year in and year out ... EVER....what kind of fan are you buddy??? I’m guessing that is your method of hedging your disappointment.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter if we beat Nevada or not, Gary is ruining the program. Hartwell needs to fix his mistake.
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I for one would love for Hartwell to be the guy selecting our next football coach— So, yes I think Hartwell can fix his mistake.
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Re: Fire Gary
Those are holes of opportunity. Be patient. Saint Gary inherited a program in the toilet coming off an 11-2 season and bowl win with a good recruiting class. I mean Nick Saban couldn't win with those negatives.AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 7:53 amHard to fix things when you're creating more holes as a coach.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 7:46 amIt was pretty clear that Hartwell wanted to go another direction. You still have to give some gary some time to fix it but it is hard to have confidence that it will improve.Heisenberg wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 4:54 amHartwell was forced to hire Gary. This is not his mistake.bull wrote:This is frustrating, I am almost getting as disinterested in USU Football as Gary is. I take a bottle of muscle relaxers before each game and tell myself this is where we belong
Oh by the way, was there seriously a poster on here saying she was embarrassed by the fans and then came back and said USU will never be top 25 year in and year out ... EVER....what kind of fan are you buddy??? I’m guessing that is your method of hedging your disappointment.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter if we beat Nevada or not, Gary is ruining the program. Hartwell needs to fix his mistake.
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Re: Fire Gary
Did anyone really think that Gary was going to turn over a new leaf by leaving Corvallis? I was one of Gary's biggest fans even after he left, but not when I saw how he destroyed our offense last year. It's hard to overlook the crap he pulled in Corvallis after that, especially knowing that he hasn't changed his ways in Logan.coolag wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 8:40 amThose are holes of opportunity. Be patient. Saint Gary inherited a program in the toilet coming off an 11-2 season and bowl win with a good recruiting class. I mean Nick Saban couldn't win with those negatives.AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 7:53 amHard to fix things when you're creating more holes as a coach.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 7:46 amIt was pretty clear that Hartwell wanted to go another direction. You still have to give some gary some time to fix it but it is hard to have confidence that it will improve.Heisenberg wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 4:54 amHartwell was forced to hire Gary. This is not his mistake.bull wrote:This is frustrating, I am almost getting as disinterested in USU Football as Gary is. I take a bottle of muscle relaxers before each game and tell myself this is where we belong
Oh by the way, was there seriously a poster on here saying she was embarrassed by the fans and then came back and said USU will never be top 25 year in and year out ... EVER....what kind of fan are you buddy??? I’m guessing that is your method of hedging your disappointment.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter if we beat Nevada or not, Gary is ruining the program. Hartwell needs to fix his mistake.
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Re: Fire Gary
I don’t think the concern is we aren’t a top 25 team. The concern is we are getting blown out and don’t even look like we belong.MWCFAN12 wrote:You are dumb. We lost to 2 top 25 teams... We are Utah State... Understanding that fact might help you. We are never going to be top 25 year in and year out... EVER.... IN ANY SPORT.... EVER.
We should expect to compete on the MW year in and year out. Our program should be past the point where we look like a HS team against a college team.
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Re: Fire Gary
Does a 30-point loss count as a bigger L than a 7 point loss ? 0 - 2 is 0 - 2Cheecho6 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:24 amI don’t think the concern is we aren’t a top 25 team. The concern is we are getting blown out and don’t even look like we belong.MWCFAN12 wrote:You are dumb. We lost to 2 top 25 teams... We are Utah State... Understanding that fact might help you. We are never going to be top 25 year in and year out... EVER.... IN ANY SPORT.... EVER.
We should expect to compete on the MW year in and year out. Our program should be past the point where we look like a HS team against a college team.
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Re: Fire Gary
Obviously a loss is a loss and they both count the same, but yes it is hard to have confidence going forward when we were anything but competitive in those games. I am not mad about the losses, sure I wanted to win, but the way we got man handled is for sure humbling. My blue goggles are on, but their starting to fade and come off. I want to believe we can get better from the bottom of my soul, but we need to see some improvement.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:28 amDoes a 30-point loss count as a bigger L than a 7 point loss ? 0 - 2 is 0 - 2Cheecho6 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:24 amI don’t think the concern is we aren’t a top 25 team. The concern is we are getting blown out and don’t even look like we belong.MWCFAN12 wrote:You are dumb. We lost to 2 top 25 teams... We are Utah State... Understanding that fact might help you. We are never going to be top 25 year in and year out... EVER.... IN ANY SPORT.... EVER.
We should expect to compete on the MW year in and year out. Our program should be past the point where we look like a HS team against a college team.
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Re: Fire Gary
But we're not really talking about records, are we? We're talking about a team that hasn't shown much talent, no creativity, not much fire, and is no fun at all to watch. (Also occasionally stupid -- i.e. Zahodri's drilling the punt returner then grinning and giving the thumbs up. Maybe he thought that since he'd be giving up 15 yards consistently all night, might as well enjoy the contact.) We don't beat Boise or SDSU often, but we're occasionally competitive. The last two weeks we've been utterly uncompetitive.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:28 amDoes a 30-point loss count as a bigger L than a 7 point loss ? 0 - 2 is 0 - 2Cheecho6 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:24 amI don’t think the concern is we aren’t a top 25 team. The concern is we are getting blown out and don’t even look like we belong.MWCFAN12 wrote:You are dumb. We lost to 2 top 25 teams... We are Utah State... Understanding that fact might help you. We are never going to be top 25 year in and year out... EVER.... IN ANY SPORT.... EVER.
We should expect to compete on the MW year in and year out. Our program should be past the point where we look like a HS team against a college team.
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I'm not worried about not being a Top 25 team. I'm seriously worried we're a Bottom 25 team again. I don't want to believe it, but I've been an Aggie long enough to recognize the danger signs.
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Re: Fire Gary
Ok.OKAggie wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:43 amBut we're not really talking about records, are we? We're talking about a team that hasn't shown much talent, no creativity, not much fire, and is no fun at all to watch. (Also occasionally stupid -- i.e. Zahodri's drilling the punt returner then grinning and giving the thumbs up. Maybe he thought that since he'd be giving up 15 yards consistently all night, might as well enjoy the contact.) We don't beat Boise or SDSU often, but we're occasionally competitive. The last two weeks we've been utterly uncompetitive.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:28 amDoes a 30-point loss count as a bigger L than a 7 point loss ? 0 - 2 is 0 - 2Cheecho6 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:24 amI don’t think the concern is we aren’t a top 25 team. The concern is we are getting blown out and don’t even look like we belong.MWCFAN12 wrote:You are dumb. We lost to 2 top 25 teams... We are Utah State... Understanding that fact might help you. We are never going to be top 25 year in and year out... EVER.... IN ANY SPORT.... EVER.
We should expect to compete on the MW year in and year out. Our program should be past the point where we look like a HS team against a college team.
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I'm not worried about not being a Top 25 team. I'm seriously worried we're a Bottom 25 team again. I don't want to believe it, but I've been an Aggie long enough to recognize the danger signs.
So with limited practices, very limited off season workout, new offensive system, new Defensive system, new DC, tons of new players in the 2 deep. You can say definitely that we aren't going to get better, or people need fired? That isn't how things work.
It takes time. It takes reps. Some more that others. Yes we have some problems. Big problems. Team speed would be 1st on my list. But they sky isn't falling. I knew all along we would be 0 - 2. What happens next is question.
Air Force is 0 - 2 in the MW as well with a blowout loss to Boise and a loss to San Jose... Are their losses some how better than ours ?
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Re: Fire Gary
All valid excuses. However, it seems obvious to most the problems run deeper than that. Time will tell. In my opinion, the issues are obvious and time will prove the people down on Gary correct.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:52 amOk.OKAggie wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:43 amBut we're not really talking about records, are we? We're talking about a team that hasn't shown much talent, no creativity, not much fire, and is no fun at all to watch. (Also occasionally stupid -- i.e. Zahodri's drilling the punt returner then grinning and giving the thumbs up. Maybe he thought that since he'd be giving up 15 yards consistently all night, might as well enjoy the contact.) We don't beat Boise or SDSU often, but we're occasionally competitive. The last two weeks we've been utterly uncompetitive.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:28 amDoes a 30-point loss count as a bigger L than a 7 point loss ? 0 - 2 is 0 - 2Cheecho6 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:24 amI don’t think the concern is we aren’t a top 25 team. The concern is we are getting blown out and don’t even look like we belong.MWCFAN12 wrote:You are dumb. We lost to 2 top 25 teams... We are Utah State... Understanding that fact might help you. We are never going to be top 25 year in and year out... EVER.... IN ANY SPORT.... EVER.
We should expect to compete on the MW year in and year out. Our program should be past the point where we look like a HS team against a college team.
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I'm not worried about not being a Top 25 team. I'm seriously worried we're a Bottom 25 team again. I don't want to believe it, but I've been an Aggie long enough to recognize the danger signs.
So with limited practices, very limited off season workout, new offensive system, new Defensive system, new DC, tons of new players in the 2 deep. You can say definitely that we aren't going to get better, or people need fired? That isn't how things work.
It takes time. It takes reps. Some more that others. Yes we have some problems. Big problems. Team speed would be 1st on my list. But they sky isn't falling. I knew all along we would be 0 - 2. What happens next is question.
Air Force is 0 - 2 in the MW as well with a blowout loss to Boise and a loss to San Jose... Are their losses some how better than ours ?
And by the way, those excuses you made will become invalid as the season goes on because every team usu will be facing had to deal with the exact same thing.
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Re: Fire Gary
That's the spirit. When did Duryea come back to Logan?MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:28 amDoes a 30-point loss count as a bigger L than a 7 point loss ? 0 - 2 is 0 - 2Cheecho6 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:24 amI don’t think the concern is we aren’t a top 25 team. The concern is we are getting blown out and don’t even look like we belong.MWCFAN12 wrote:You are dumb. We lost to 2 top 25 teams... We are Utah State... Understanding that fact might help you. We are never going to be top 25 year in and year out... EVER.... IN ANY SPORT.... EVER.
We should expect to compete on the MW year in and year out. Our program should be past the point where we look like a HS team against a college team.
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Re: Fire Gary
Don't pretty much all of those excuses apply to SDSU too?MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:52 amOk.OKAggie wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:43 amBut we're not really talking about records, are we? We're talking about a team that hasn't shown much talent, no creativity, not much fire, and is no fun at all to watch. (Also occasionally stupid -- i.e. Zahodri's drilling the punt returner then grinning and giving the thumbs up. Maybe he thought that since he'd be giving up 15 yards consistently all night, might as well enjoy the contact.) We don't beat Boise or SDSU often, but we're occasionally competitive. The last two weeks we've been utterly uncompetitive.MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:28 amDoes a 30-point loss count as a bigger L than a 7 point loss ? 0 - 2 is 0 - 2Cheecho6 wrote: ↑November 1st, 2020, 10:24 amI don’t think the concern is we aren’t a top 25 team. The concern is we are getting blown out and don’t even look like we belong.MWCFAN12 wrote:You are dumb. We lost to 2 top 25 teams... We are Utah State... Understanding that fact might help you. We are never going to be top 25 year in and year out... EVER.... IN ANY SPORT.... EVER.
We should expect to compete on the MW year in and year out. Our program should be past the point where we look like a HS team against a college team.
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I'm not worried about not being a Top 25 team. I'm seriously worried we're a Bottom 25 team again. I don't want to believe it, but I've been an Aggie long enough to recognize the danger signs.
So with limited practices, very limited off season workout, new offensive system, new Defensive system, new DC, tons of new players in the 2 deep. You can say definitely that we aren't going to get better, or people need fired? That isn't how things work.
It takes time. It takes reps. Some more that others. Yes we have some problems. Big problems. Team speed would be 1st on my list. But they sky isn't falling. I knew all along we would be 0 - 2. What happens next is question.
Air Force is 0 - 2 in the MW as well with a blowout loss to Boise and a loss to San Jose... Are their losses some how better than ours ?