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Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
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Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
1. The call that Nathan didn't touch the ball on the punt that went through his hands. (Set aside for now that he shouldn't have been trying to catch that thing in the first place -- he was backpedaling and turned sideways to a ball in the wind that ended up as a 71 yard punt into the endzone. Even for as good as his hands are normally (hi Tania!), the risk/reward on that catch attempt was off the charts.) But on the slo-mo replay it looked like the spin and trajectory of the ball changed as it went through his hands. In addition, the velcro strap on his glove was attached when he went to make the catch, but open after the ball passed through. He touched it, the ball went into the end zone, Boise recovered what would have been a touchdown. [/zapruder] We were fortunate they let that call stand.
2. The weird Boise punt into the back of the blocker, which gave us a short field and led to our second and final TD. The announcer said he'd never seen that before (but I had -- the only TD of my entire pitiful high school career came on a similar error by a Park City punter.)
Absent these two breaks, we lose 49-7.
2. The weird Boise punt into the back of the blocker, which gave us a short field and led to our second and final TD. The announcer said he'd never seen that before (but I had -- the only TD of my entire pitiful high school career came on a similar error by a Park City punter.)
Absent these two breaks, we lose 49-7.
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
He touched it. Yes I know for sure he did simply by the look on his face during the review... same look he had as a kid when he was in trouble... but hey it was a break none the less
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Hahaha! This might be my favorite post ever, Tania. Called out by mom!taniataylor wrote: ↑October 25th, 2020, 2:32 pmHe touched it. Yes I know for sure he did simply by the look on his face during the review... same look he had as a kid when he was in trouble... but hey it was a break none the less
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Oh stick around, I do that alot!! We already had our post game meetingAggie19 wrote: ↑October 25th, 2020, 2:35 pmHahaha! This might be my favorite post ever, Tania. Called out by mom!taniataylor wrote: ↑October 25th, 2020, 2:32 pmHe touched it. Yes I know for sure he did simply by the look on his face during the review... same look he had as a kid when he was in trouble... but hey it was a break none the less
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Getting hit by a punt costed us a game at Nevada one year. I guess maybe it's better that this time, we learn from it in a game we were going to lose either way, as opposed to happening in a game we lose cause of it that we would otherwise win. It's like how I remember one year, I had intended to call into the radio and talk about how Pat Scales gets the long snaps right every time. And I purposely did it the week before we played at Boise, cause I thought that if I was going to jinx him, it's better he is jinxed before a game we are going to lose either way as opposed to one where a bad snap would be the difference between winning and losing.
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Maybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
He can't catch well when there’s a crowd of opposing players near him.... hence the reason he’s never started at receiver... since you think you know everythingOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Scarver is a great KR. Really good speed and an internal knack for seeing the crease. But he can't catch. PR requires a different skill-set than kickoff-return; where a player who has a history of not being able to consistently catch the ball, especially over the middle, doesn't belong. Almost every instance of a PR is similar to a receiver running over the middle.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
What are you talking about? How can he be a good KR if he can't catch? Catching the ball on a punt and kick return IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SKILL!!! They both look like this:FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:41 amScarver is a great KR. Really good speed and an internal knack for seeing the crease. But he can't catch. PR requires a different skill-set than kickoff-return; where a player who has a history of not being able to consistently catch the ball, especially over the middle, doesn't belong. Almost every instance of a PR is similar to a receiver running over the middle.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
The only major difference is with punting you have less time to catch the ball and make a decision. Even with the minor differences, you are going to sit there and tell me the best kick returner IN THE COUNTRY couldn't reliably field a punt? You're crazy!
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Apparently neither can Jordan. Maybe, we should ask Savon's mom what she thinks on the subject.taniataylor wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:23 amHe can't catch well when there’s a crowd of opposing players near him.... hence the reason he’s never started at receiver... since you think you know everythingOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Have you ever watched a football game?OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:20 amWhat are you talking about? How can he be a good KR if he can't catch? Catching the ball on a punt and kick return IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SKILL!!! They both look like this:FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:41 amScarver is a great KR. Really good speed and an internal knack for seeing the crease. But he can't catch. PR requires a different skill-set than kickoff-return; where a player who has a history of not being able to consistently catch the ball, especially over the middle, doesn't belong. Almost every instance of a PR is similar to a receiver running over the middle.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
The only major difference is with punting you have less time to catch the ball and make a decision. Even with the minor differences, you are going to sit there and tell me the best kick returner IN THE COUNTRY couldn't reliably field a punt? You're crazy!
A KR has about a 20 yard space between himself and the defender - everything is in front of him.
A PR often has but a few yards between himself and the defenders - while he looking straight up into the air.
Look around the country and the NFL, it is very rare to have the same guy returning punts and kickoffs.
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Right, that's why Jordan's been a PR for four years. Because he can't catch.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:26 amApparently neither can Jordan. Maybe, we should ask Savon's mom what she thinks on the subject.taniataylor wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:23 amHe can't catch well when there’s a crowd of opposing players near him.... hence the reason he’s never started at receiver... since you think you know everythingOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Oh, I thought you were Savon's mom. Seemed to be the only logical reason.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:26 amApparently neither can Jordan. Maybe, we should ask Savon's mom what she thinks on the subject.taniataylor wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:23 amHe can't catch well when there’s a crowd of opposing players near him.... hence the reason he’s never started at receiver... since you think you know everythingOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
It’s actually refreshing to see that player parents are just as easily drawn into message board disputes as us regular friends.
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Impressive that you've been able to make yourself the least likable person on this board in such a short amount of time.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:26 amApparently neither can Jordan. Maybe, we should ask Savon's mom what she thinks on the subject.taniataylor wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:23 amHe can't catch well when there’s a crowd of opposing players near him.... hence the reason he’s never started at receiver... since you think you know everythingOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Lol lol... you act like he drops every one. He caught one at the 46 yard line with ALOT of Boise players surrounding him to give us great field position. Did he muff the 2nd one? Yup! Is that rare? Yup.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:26 amApparently neither can Jordan. Maybe, we should ask Savon's mom what she thinks on the subject.taniataylor wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:23 amHe can't catch well when there’s a crowd of opposing players near him.... hence the reason he’s never started at receiver... since you think you know everythingOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
I really think I need to point out that you know sh*t about football.
If Savon’s mom is realistic she would agree.
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
It's bizarre that anyone could think that Jordan has a problem catching punts based on one punt. I don't know what the stats are, but I can't recall an issue prior to Saturday. He's done a fabulous job.
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
For as long as he has fielded punts he has been very sure handed.
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
You're talking about spacing, not catching. The mechanics of catching the ball are the same. For you to say Scarver can't catch is total BS. He is the best kick return in college football last year, those skills are translatable!!!!!!FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 6:32 amHave you ever watched a football game?OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:20 amWhat are you talking about? How can he be a good KR if he can't catch? Catching the ball on a punt and kick return IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SKILL!!! They both look like this:FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:41 amScarver is a great KR. Really good speed and an internal knack for seeing the crease. But he can't catch. PR requires a different skill-set than kickoff-return; where a player who has a history of not being able to consistently catch the ball, especially over the middle, doesn't belong. Almost every instance of a PR is similar to a receiver running over the middle.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
The only major difference is with punting you have less time to catch the ball and make a decision. Even with the minor differences, you are going to sit there and tell me the best kick returner IN THE COUNTRY couldn't reliably field a punt? You're crazy!
A KR has about a 20 yard space between himself and the defender - everything is in front of him.
A PR often has but a few yards between himself and the defenders - while he looking straight up into the air.
Look around the country and the NFL, it is very rare to have the same guy returning punts and kickoffs.
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Except for the time he muffed one in the bowl game which set Kent State up for an easy touchdown and (likely) cost us the game!
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
No, I'm talking about catching the ball. Scarver doesn't catch the ball well in traffic and no, catching a punt is different than catching a kick off. That's why he hasn't cracked the starting lineup as a WR.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 1:55 pmYou're talking about spacing, not catching. The mechanics of catching the ball are the same. For you to say Scarver can't catch is total BS. He is the best kick return in college football last year, those skills are translatable!!!!!!FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 6:32 amHave you ever watched a football game?OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:20 amWhat are you talking about? How can he be a good KR if he can't catch? Catching the ball on a punt and kick return IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SKILL!!! They both look like this:FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:41 amScarver is a great KR. Really good speed and an internal knack for seeing the crease. But he can't catch. PR requires a different skill-set than kickoff-return; where a player who has a history of not being able to consistently catch the ball, especially over the middle, doesn't belong. Almost every instance of a PR is similar to a receiver running over the middle.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
The only major difference is with punting you have less time to catch the ball and make a decision. Even with the minor differences, you are going to sit there and tell me the best kick returner IN THE COUNTRY couldn't reliably field a punt? You're crazy!
A KR has about a 20 yard space between himself and the defender - everything is in front of him.
A PR often has but a few yards between himself and the defenders - while he looking straight up into the air.
Look around the country and the NFL, it is very rare to have the same guy returning punts and kickoffs.
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Best kick returner, but not catcher...if that was the case the #1 slot would not have been moved to Savon’s spot to be the starter and kept him at the the #2 poss #3 now outside receiver.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 1:55 pmYou're talking about spacing, not catching. The mechanics of catching the ball are the same. For you to say Scarver can't catch is total BS. He is the best kick return in college football last year, those skills are translatable!!!!!!FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 6:32 amHave you ever watched a football game?OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:20 amWhat are you talking about? How can he be a good KR if he can't catch? Catching the ball on a punt and kick return IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SKILL!!! They both look like this:FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:41 amScarver is a great KR. Really good speed and an internal knack for seeing the crease. But he can't catch. PR requires a different skill-set than kickoff-return; where a player who has a history of not being able to consistently catch the ball, especially over the middle, doesn't belong. Almost every instance of a PR is similar to a receiver running over the middle.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
The only major difference is with punting you have less time to catch the ball and make a decision. Even with the minor differences, you are going to sit there and tell me the best kick returner IN THE COUNTRY couldn't reliably field a punt? You're crazy!
A KR has about a 20 yard space between himself and the defender - everything is in front of him.
A PR often has but a few yards between himself and the defenders - while he looking straight up into the air.
Look around the country and the NFL, it is very rare to have the same guy returning punts and kickoffs.
To be a KR u dont have a difficult time catching a ball in space, where the defenders are trying to get to the ball from the opposite side of the field, a PR? The defenders are on top of the PR real quick!
You wont prove your point to me. The coaches dont see it either. But when he returns from his ankle injury, we shall see....DT might have KR locked in by then though!
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Rage all you want, but we clearly we have better options. As an example, Devin Thompkins who is a faster player has a 14.3 yard average on punts whereas Jordan only averages 8.4 for his entire career. Maybe not having to be burdened with punt return duties will help Jordan with his offensive production.taniataylor wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 7:50 amLol lol... you act like he drops every one. He caught one at the 46 yard line with ALOT of Boise players surrounding him to give us great field position. Did he muff the 2nd one? Yup! Is that rare? Yup.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:26 amApparently neither can Jordan. Maybe, we should ask Savon's mom what she thinks on the subject.taniataylor wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:23 amHe can't catch well when there’s a crowd of opposing players near him.... hence the reason he’s never started at receiver... since you think you know everythingOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
I really think I need to point out that you know sh*t about football.
If Savon’s mom is realistic she would agree.
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Well too bad Jordan is still our PR. Btw, Jordans average will be lower with the amount of time he’s done it, not every PR ends up as a runOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 2:16 pmRage all you want, but we clearly we have better options. As an example, Devin Thompkins who is a faster player has a 14.3 yard average on punts whereas Jordan only averages 8.4 for his entire career. Maybe not having to be burdened with punt return duties will help Jordan with his offensive production.taniataylor wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 7:50 amLol lol... you act like he drops every one. He caught one at the 46 yard line with ALOT of Boise players surrounding him to give us great field position. Did he muff the 2nd one? Yup! Is that rare? Yup.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:26 amApparently neither can Jordan. Maybe, we should ask Savon's mom what she thinks on the subject.taniataylor wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:23 amHe can't catch well when there’s a crowd of opposing players near him.... hence the reason he’s never started at receiver... since you think you know everythingOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
I really think I need to point out that you know sh*t about football.
If Savon’s mom is realistic she would agree.
P.S. Im not in a rage, Im just sick of you always ragging on Jordan. YOU HAVE NEVER DONE BETTER I GUARANTEE
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
So you get mad when people bash on Jordan, yet you degrade the only consensus All-American player we've had since Merlin Olsen, that's just stupid!taniataylor wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 2:14 pmBest kick returner, but not catcher...if that was the case the #1 slot would not have been moved to Savon’s spot to be the starter and kept him at the the #2 poss #3 now outside receiver.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 1:55 pmYou're talking about spacing, not catching. The mechanics of catching the ball are the same. For you to say Scarver can't catch is total BS. He is the best kick return in college football last year, those skills are translatable!!!!!!FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 6:32 amHave you ever watched a football game?OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:20 amWhat are you talking about? How can he be a good KR if he can't catch? Catching the ball on a punt and kick return IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SKILL!!! They both look like this:FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:41 amScarver is a great KR. Really good speed and an internal knack for seeing the crease. But he can't catch. PR requires a different skill-set than kickoff-return; where a player who has a history of not being able to consistently catch the ball, especially over the middle, doesn't belong. Almost every instance of a PR is similar to a receiver running over the middle.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
The only major difference is with punting you have less time to catch the ball and make a decision. Even with the minor differences, you are going to sit there and tell me the best kick returner IN THE COUNTRY couldn't reliably field a punt? You're crazy!
A KR has about a 20 yard space between himself and the defender - everything is in front of him.
A PR often has but a few yards between himself and the defenders - while he looking straight up into the air.
Look around the country and the NFL, it is very rare to have the same guy returning punts and kickoffs.
To be a KR u dont have a difficult time catching a ball in space, where the defenders are trying to get to the ball from the opposite side of the field, a PR? The defenders are on top of the PR real quick!
You wont prove your point to me. The coaches dont see it either. But when he returns from his ankle injury, we shall see....DT might have KR locked in by then though!
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Until now, I have not done that AT ALL!! You have been bashing Jordan since you brought your A$$ here. I haven’t knocked our QB, our D-line, no one until you came here and started your BSOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 2:27 pmSo you get mad when people bash on Jordan, yet you degrade the only consensus All-American player we've had since Merlin Olsen, that's just stupid!taniataylor wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 2:14 pmBest kick returner, but not catcher...if that was the case the #1 slot would not have been moved to Savon’s spot to be the starter and kept him at the the #2 poss #3 now outside receiver.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 1:55 pmYou're talking about spacing, not catching. The mechanics of catching the ball are the same. For you to say Scarver can't catch is total BS. He is the best kick return in college football last year, those skills are translatable!!!!!!FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 6:32 amHave you ever watched a football game?OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:20 amWhat are you talking about? How can he be a good KR if he can't catch? Catching the ball on a punt and kick return IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SKILL!!! They both look like this:FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:41 amScarver is a great KR. Really good speed and an internal knack for seeing the crease. But he can't catch. PR requires a different skill-set than kickoff-return; where a player who has a history of not being able to consistently catch the ball, especially over the middle, doesn't belong. Almost every instance of a PR is similar to a receiver running over the middle.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
The only major difference is with punting you have less time to catch the ball and make a decision. Even with the minor differences, you are going to sit there and tell me the best kick returner IN THE COUNTRY couldn't reliably field a punt? You're crazy!
A KR has about a 20 yard space between himself and the defender - everything is in front of him.
A PR often has but a few yards between himself and the defenders - while he looking straight up into the air.
Look around the country and the NFL, it is very rare to have the same guy returning punts and kickoffs.
To be a KR u dont have a difficult time catching a ball in space, where the defenders are trying to get to the ball from the opposite side of the field, a PR? The defenders are on top of the PR real quick!
You wont prove your point to me. The coaches dont see it either. But when he returns from his ankle injury, we shall see....DT might have KR locked in by then though!
I am also stating facts. Savon has done great at KR, he would not make it as a PR. He is not a WR, he is a really fast KR and good at it
I’ll be at the Nov 14 game, we can talk about it then....
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Maybe you should ask this question to two coaching staffs as both have seen the value of Savon as a KR and Nathan as a PR, but neither sees any value to Scarver spending a lot of time with the offense despite his speed.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 2:27 pmSo you get mad when people bash on Jordan, yet you degrade the only consensus All-American player we've had since Merlin Olsen, that's just stupid!taniataylor wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 2:14 pmBest kick returner, but not catcher...if that was the case the #1 slot would not have been moved to Savon’s spot to be the starter and kept him at the the #2 poss #3 now outside receiver.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 1:55 pmYou're talking about spacing, not catching. The mechanics of catching the ball are the same. For you to say Scarver can't catch is total BS. He is the best kick return in college football last year, those skills are translatable!!!!!!FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 6:32 amHave you ever watched a football game?OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:20 amWhat are you talking about? How can he be a good KR if he can't catch? Catching the ball on a punt and kick return IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SKILL!!! They both look like this:FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:41 amScarver is a great KR. Really good speed and an internal knack for seeing the crease. But he can't catch. PR requires a different skill-set than kickoff-return; where a player who has a history of not being able to consistently catch the ball, especially over the middle, doesn't belong. Almost every instance of a PR is similar to a receiver running over the middle.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
The only major difference is with punting you have less time to catch the ball and make a decision. Even with the minor differences, you are going to sit there and tell me the best kick returner IN THE COUNTRY couldn't reliably field a punt? You're crazy!
A KR has about a 20 yard space between himself and the defender - everything is in front of him.
A PR often has but a few yards between himself and the defenders - while he looking straight up into the air.
Look around the country and the NFL, it is very rare to have the same guy returning punts and kickoffs.
To be a KR u dont have a difficult time catching a ball in space, where the defenders are trying to get to the ball from the opposite side of the field, a PR? The defenders are on top of the PR real quick!
You wont prove your point to me. The coaches dont see it either. But when he returns from his ankle injury, we shall see....DT might have KR locked in by then though!
It isn't a knock or degrading Scarver, it's simply putting him in a position to maximize his talent and catching the ball in traffic isn't his forte'. His knack is returning kick-offs and he is really good at this. I'm glad we have him. However, due to his speed and KR abilities, I would bet my house that he's been tried in the PR role in practice already by both coaching staffs, but with no success.
The job of a PR is to control field position which starts with catching the ball in heavy traffic and not letting it hit the ground and roll another 10-15 yards. Everything else is a bonus. The next time you see any PR fair catch a ball in traffic you should mentally chalk that up as a 10 yard gain even though it shows a zero in the box score.
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
I've tried to avoid getting sucked into these convos, but you have to be trolling now right? Right?OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 2:27 pmSo you get mad when people bash on Jordan, yet you degrade the only consensus All-American player we've had since Merlin Olsen, that's just stupid!taniataylor wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 2:14 pmBest kick returner, but not catcher...if that was the case the #1 slot would not have been moved to Savon’s spot to be the starter and kept him at the the #2 poss #3 now outside receiver.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 1:55 pmYou're talking about spacing, not catching. The mechanics of catching the ball are the same. For you to say Scarver can't catch is total BS. He is the best kick return in college football last year, those skills are translatable!!!!!!FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 6:32 amHave you ever watched a football game?OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:20 amWhat are you talking about? How can he be a good KR if he can't catch? Catching the ball on a punt and kick return IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SKILL!!! They both look like this:FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:41 amScarver is a great KR. Really good speed and an internal knack for seeing the crease. But he can't catch. PR requires a different skill-set than kickoff-return; where a player who has a history of not being able to consistently catch the ball, especially over the middle, doesn't belong. Almost every instance of a PR is similar to a receiver running over the middle.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
The only major difference is with punting you have less time to catch the ball and make a decision. Even with the minor differences, you are going to sit there and tell me the best kick returner IN THE COUNTRY couldn't reliably field a punt? You're crazy!
A KR has about a 20 yard space between himself and the defender - everything is in front of him.
A PR often has but a few yards between himself and the defenders - while he looking straight up into the air.
Look around the country and the NFL, it is very rare to have the same guy returning punts and kickoffs.
To be a KR u dont have a difficult time catching a ball in space, where the defenders are trying to get to the ball from the opposite side of the field, a PR? The defenders are on top of the PR real quick!
You wont prove your point to me. The coaches dont see it either. But when he returns from his ankle injury, we shall see....DT might have KR locked in by then though!
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
At least for me the punts took immeasurably more concentration to field. The ball isn't end over end. Its high. Your looking straight up, Its drifting, more likely to get caught in sun or lights, and you have 10 guys bearing down on you. I don't recall ever having any issues with a kickoff except for bouncing squibs that hit funny once in a while. Fielding punts is the most challenging thing in football IMO.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:26 amApparently neither can Jordan. Maybe, we should ask Savon's mom what she thinks on the subject.taniataylor wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:23 amHe can't catch well when there’s a crowd of opposing players near him.... hence the reason he’s never started at receiver... since you think you know everythingOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
Factor in the wind as well. It is definitely a skill and a job not many can handle.hickaggie wrote: ↑October 28th, 2020, 11:30 amAt least for me the punts took immeasurably more concentration to field. The ball isn't end over end. Its high. Your looking straight up, Its drifting, more likely to get caught in sun or lights, and you have 10 guys bearing down on you. I don't recall ever having any issues with a kickoff except for bouncing squibs that hit funny once in a while. Fielding punts is the most challenging thing in football IMO.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:26 amApparently neither can Jordan. Maybe, we should ask Savon's mom what she thinks on the subject.taniataylor wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:23 amHe can't catch well when there’s a crowd of opposing players near him.... hence the reason he’s never started at receiver... since you think you know everythingOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
To further the point about Scarver he's a kickoff guy with a good feel for some upfield moves in space but is not as quick laterally as either Nathan or Tomkins. That skillset is only valuable in about 1 in 10 punts when a punter line drives a catchable kick or outkicks his coverage and the returner is in a position to get back to it. Even then the setup is wholly distinct from a kickoff where you have 10 blockers who are moving forward rather than laterally.AgMan21 wrote: ↑October 28th, 2020, 11:06 amI've tried to avoid getting sucked into these convos, but you have to be trolling now right? Right?OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 2:27 pmSo you get mad when people bash on Jordan, yet you degrade the only consensus All-American player we've had since Merlin Olsen, that's just stupid!taniataylor wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 2:14 pmBest kick returner, but not catcher...if that was the case the #1 slot would not have been moved to Savon’s spot to be the starter and kept him at the the #2 poss #3 now outside receiver.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 1:55 pmYou're talking about spacing, not catching. The mechanics of catching the ball are the same. For you to say Scarver can't catch is total BS. He is the best kick return in college football last year, those skills are translatable!!!!!!FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 6:32 amHave you ever watched a football game?OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:20 amWhat are you talking about? How can he be a good KR if he can't catch? Catching the ball on a punt and kick return IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SKILL!!! They both look like this:FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:41 amScarver is a great KR. Really good speed and an internal knack for seeing the crease. But he can't catch. PR requires a different skill-set than kickoff-return; where a player who has a history of not being able to consistently catch the ball, especially over the middle, doesn't belong. Almost every instance of a PR is similar to a receiver running over the middle.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
The only major difference is with punting you have less time to catch the ball and make a decision. Even with the minor differences, you are going to sit there and tell me the best kick returner IN THE COUNTRY couldn't reliably field a punt? You're crazy!
A KR has about a 20 yard space between himself and the defender - everything is in front of him.
A PR often has but a few yards between himself and the defenders - while he looking straight up into the air.
Look around the country and the NFL, it is very rare to have the same guy returning punts and kickoffs.
To be a KR u dont have a difficult time catching a ball in space, where the defenders are trying to get to the ball from the opposite side of the field, a PR? The defenders are on top of the PR real quick!
You wont prove your point to me. The coaches dont see it either. But when he returns from his ankle injury, we shall see....DT might have KR locked in by then though!
Sure handedness is always the first attribute in a returner. But Scarver's not even the best option after the catch.
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Re: Two breaks we caught, or it would have been a lot worse
I disagree, you said on this very thread that a) Savon can't catch and b) you think he should be replaced as our primary KR by DT. How is that not disparaging him? It's totally reasonable that you'd defend your son, but don't get mad at me for pointing out that Jordan has not lived up to (apparently low) expectations if YOU DO THE SAME THING to another player on the team!taniataylor wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 2:33 pmUntil now, I have not done that AT ALL!! You have been bashing Jordan since you brought your A$$ here. I haven’t knocked our QB, our D-line, no one until you came here and started your BSOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 2:27 pmSo you get mad when people bash on Jordan, yet you degrade the only consensus All-American player we've had since Merlin Olsen, that's just stupid!taniataylor wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 2:14 pmBest kick returner, but not catcher...if that was the case the #1 slot would not have been moved to Savon’s spot to be the starter and kept him at the the #2 poss #3 now outside receiver.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 1:55 pmYou're talking about spacing, not catching. The mechanics of catching the ball are the same. For you to say Scarver can't catch is total BS. He is the best kick return in college football last year, those skills are translatable!!!!!!FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 6:32 amHave you ever watched a football game?OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 27th, 2020, 12:20 amWhat are you talking about? How can he be a good KR if he can't catch? Catching the ball on a punt and kick return IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SKILL!!! They both look like this:FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 7:41 amScarver is a great KR. Really good speed and an internal knack for seeing the crease. But he can't catch. PR requires a different skill-set than kickoff-return; where a player who has a history of not being able to consistently catch the ball, especially over the middle, doesn't belong. Almost every instance of a PR is similar to a receiver running over the middle.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 1:38 amMaybe it's time we let our All-American returner field punts (assuming he's a go for next week).
The only major difference is with punting you have less time to catch the ball and make a decision. Even with the minor differences, you are going to sit there and tell me the best kick returner IN THE COUNTRY couldn't reliably field a punt? You're crazy!
A KR has about a 20 yard space between himself and the defender - everything is in front of him.
A PR often has but a few yards between himself and the defenders - while he looking straight up into the air.
Look around the country and the NFL, it is very rare to have the same guy returning punts and kickoffs.
To be a KR u dont have a difficult time catching a ball in space, where the defenders are trying to get to the ball from the opposite side of the field, a PR? The defenders are on top of the PR real quick!
You wont prove your point to me. The coaches dont see it either. But when he returns from his ankle injury, we shall see....DT might have KR locked in by then though!
I am also stating facts. Savon has done great at KR, he would not make it as a PR. He is not a WR, he is a really fast KR and good at it
I’ll be at the Nov 14 game, we can talk about it then....