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Re: No College Football this fall according to 2 P5 ADs
USU78 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 11:59 amTwo words: Sweden.NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:57 pmEurope has had much more stringent distancing procedures in place so many never had the influx like the USA.IdaAg93 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:35 pmA simple examination of Europe and you'll see that life goes on after the spike. CV19 will run its course. It's either slow or fast. Masks didn't stop or slow the decline in cases in Europe. This is just fear. It's real, but it is not uncommon to sit people out due to the common flu. Just plain over-reaction. React, but shut down? The overwhelming other consequences are unmeasurable and seem to be forgotten.
I am not trying to turn this into one of the literally dozens of threads about this that head to the Sandbox, I really wonder if these large crowds are worth the risk considering all of the potential ramifications to more essential businesses.
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Re: No College Football this fall according to 2 P5 ADs
What I read was referencing 19-20 year old males and it was 2.5% chance of dying in a car crash but it was from 2014 I think so it could have improved due to counter measures since as stated. However, the death rate in US for ages 18-24 due to Covid is still much better.NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 9:28 amIt is even close to that. It is a 0.012% chance of death in a car.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 8:44 amThe death rate is currently at 3% when you include 75 yo and up. It’s much, much less when you don’t. You know what else has a 3 in 100 chance of death? Driving a car.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehic ... and-rates/
I actually wonder more about the crowds than the players anyways. Putting 10's of thousands of people in stadiums means the chance transmission increases. If a season does happen Pennsylvania schools have already said no fans at the games.
Again, college sports don't seem as essential to me as many other jobs such as grocery store workers etc., I just wonder if it is worth the risk.
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Re: No College Football this fall according to 2 P5 ADs
One major problem is no one really knows the true death rate or better said the true number of deaths from Covid because of how bad it has been calculated across the country. Hospitals and clinics are incentivized to list the patient as having died from Covid. That’s how you get a guy in Florida who struck by lightning, falls off the roof, and apparently died from Covid. Or the 21-year-old in Florida died in a motorcycle accident because of Covid.JSHarvey wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 9:54 amThere are about 227 million licensed drivers in the US. We have less than 40,000 traffic related deaths a year. We've already had over 150,000 COVID-19 deaths. So on its face the deaths rates for the two are vastly different.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 8:44 amWhat we’ve been witnessing is the first social media driven pandemic. Politicians, businesses, and in this case universities are all responding to the fear and uncertainty that has boiled over from social media and media outlets.
No one wants to be held liable despite the data clearly showing who needs to be careful at this point and who can go back to life as usual.
The death rate is currently at 3% when you include 75 yo and up. It’s much, much less when you don’t. You know what else has a 3 in 100 chance of death? Driving a car.
For driving the rate is somewhere around .000134 per driver per year.
For COVID-19 it is a bit harder to calculate as the number of infected folks is unknown but the best guess of the folks who are trying to track it is about 5 million. That gives a death rate of .03.
So driving is "roughly" 300 times "safer" than catching COVID-19.
Re: No College Football this fall according to 2 P5 ADs
It's about COVID, but it's also mostly about protecting a cash cow based on the sham of "student-athlete."
"Amateurism + pandemic = no college sports. It's that simple. End amateurism, let players organize and collectively bargain like pros, and then maybe you get college sports during a pandemic. Schools will cancel and take it on the chin in short term to keep amateurism long term."
"Amateurism + pandemic = no college sports. It's that simple. End amateurism, let players organize and collectively bargain like pros, and then maybe you get college sports during a pandemic. Schools will cancel and take it on the chin in short term to keep amateurism long term."
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Can you imagine getting into a graduate program to better your career opportunities and being told you’ll have to delay the program for a year because of Covid? Heck no. All that work to get to that point, for me it would be worth the risk to continue. If given the choice to attend the program and not see my parents or grandparents in person for a year I would still do it.
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Re: No College Football this fall according to 2 P5 ADs
Sweden did it rightViAggie wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 12:08 pmUSU78 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 11:59 amTwo words: Sweden.NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:57 pmEurope has had much more stringent distancing procedures in place so many never had the influx like the USA.IdaAg93 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:35 pmA simple examination of Europe and you'll see that life goes on after the spike. CV19 will run its course. It's either slow or fast. Masks didn't stop or slow the decline in cases in Europe. This is just fear. It's real, but it is not uncommon to sit people out due to the common flu. Just plain over-reaction. React, but shut down? The overwhelming other consequences are unmeasurable and seem to be forgotten.
I am not trying to turn this into one of the literally dozens of threads about this that head to the Sandbox, I really wonder if these large crowds are worth the risk considering all of the potential ramifications to more essential businesses.
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Re: No College Football this fall according to 2 P5 ADs
Increasingly looking that way.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 1:33 pmSweden did it rightViAggie wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 12:08 pmUSU78 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 11:59 amTwo words: Sweden.NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:57 pmEurope has had much more stringent distancing procedures in place so many never had the influx like the USA.IdaAg93 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:35 pmA simple examination of Europe and you'll see that life goes on after the spike. CV19 will run its course. It's either slow or fast. Masks didn't stop or slow the decline in cases in Europe. This is just fear. It's real, but it is not uncommon to sit people out due to the common flu. Just plain over-reaction. React, but shut down? The overwhelming other consequences are unmeasurable and seem to be forgotten.
I am not trying to turn this into one of the literally dozens of threads about this that head to the Sandbox, I really wonder if these large crowds are worth the risk considering all of the potential ramifications to more essential businesses.
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Re: No College Football this fall according to 2 P5 ADs
That has effectively happened to people. Going online has pushed peoples education and internships back. So it is happening.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 1:33 pmCan you imagine getting into a graduate program to better your career opportunities and being told you’ll have to delay the program for a year because of Covid? Heck no. All that work to get to that point, for me it would be worth the risk to continue. If given the choice to attend the program and not see my parents or grandparents in person for a year I would still do it.
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Re: No College Football this fall according to 2 P5 ADs
I figured. I was just trying to apply this situation to everyone here. What would you do?thegreendalegelf wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 1:41 pmThat has effectively happened to people. Going online has pushed peoples education and internships back. So it is happening.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 1:33 pmCan you imagine getting into a graduate program to better your career opportunities and being told you’ll have to delay the program for a year because of Covid? Heck no. All that work to get to that point, for me it would be worth the risk to continue. If given the choice to attend the program and not see my parents or grandparents in person for a year I would still do it.
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Re: No College Football this fall according to 2 P5 ADs
I totally agree.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 1:33 pmSweden did it rightViAggie wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 12:08 pmUSU78 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 11:59 amTwo words: Sweden.NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:57 pmEurope has had much more stringent distancing procedures in place so many never had the influx like the USA.IdaAg93 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:35 pmA simple examination of Europe and you'll see that life goes on after the spike. CV19 will run its course. It's either slow or fast. Masks didn't stop or slow the decline in cases in Europe. This is just fear. It's real, but it is not uncommon to sit people out due to the common flu. Just plain over-reaction. React, but shut down? The overwhelming other consequences are unmeasurable and seem to be forgotten.
I am not trying to turn this into one of the literally dozens of threads about this that head to the Sandbox, I really wonder if these large crowds are worth the risk considering all of the potential ramifications to more essential businesses.
It's too bad we keep dragging it out. I don't see this ever ending because the fear mongering media won't let it happen.
I am hoping that Utah High school fall sports including football will happen without any major problems.
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Re: No College Football this fall according to 2 P5 ADs
blueaggie wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 2:21 pmI totally agree.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 1:33 pmSweden did it rightViAggie wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 12:08 pmUSU78 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 11:59 amTwo words: Sweden.NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:57 pmEurope has had much more stringent distancing procedures in place so many never had the influx like the USA.IdaAg93 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:35 pmA simple examination of Europe and you'll see that life goes on after the spike. CV19 will run its course. It's either slow or fast. Masks didn't stop or slow the decline in cases in Europe. This is just fear. It's real, but it is not uncommon to sit people out due to the common flu. Just plain over-reaction. React, but shut down? The overwhelming other consequences are unmeasurable and seem to be forgotten.
I am not trying to turn this into one of the literally dozens of threads about this that head to the Sandbox, I really wonder if these large crowds are worth the risk considering all of the potential ramifications to more essential businesses.
It's too bad we keep dragging it out. I don't see this ever ending because the fear mongering media won't let it happen.
I am hoping that Utah High school fall sports including football will happen without any major problems.
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Re: No College Football this fall according to 2 P5 ADs
As one of the only and certainly the first state to play high school football, Utah has the chance to either really screw this up or show that all this has been a pile of media-driven bull$hit.blueaggie wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 2:21 pmI totally agree.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 1:33 pmSweden did it rightViAggie wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 12:08 pmUSU78 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 11:59 amTwo words: Sweden.NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:57 pmEurope has had much more stringent distancing procedures in place so many never had the influx like the USA.IdaAg93 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 7:35 pmA simple examination of Europe and you'll see that life goes on after the spike. CV19 will run its course. It's either slow or fast. Masks didn't stop or slow the decline in cases in Europe. This is just fear. It's real, but it is not uncommon to sit people out due to the common flu. Just plain over-reaction. React, but shut down? The overwhelming other consequences are unmeasurable and seem to be forgotten.
I am not trying to turn this into one of the literally dozens of threads about this that head to the Sandbox, I really wonder if these large crowds are worth the risk considering all of the potential ramifications to more essential businesses.
It's too bad we keep dragging it out. I don't see this ever ending because the fear-mongering media won't let it happen.
I am hoping that Utah High school fall sports including football will happen without any major problems.
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Re: No College Football this fall according to 2 P5 ADs
Sorry but this take is selfish. Yes, a lot of people recover from the virus. However, there are so many that don't, even those who are "healthy". I have a close friend who has seen these so called "healthy" individuals go through the worst of the worst with this virus. I know people who have lost their life to this. As much as I would love to watch football this season it takes a back seat to this.IdaAg93 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 6:23 pmI'm 100% in this camp. This is about cases of CV19 now, not deaths. Yes, people will get the virus, but they'll be fine. It's the 70 yr old obese or metabolically unhealthy person that is at risk. Those people aren't on the field. If that's you in the stands, then I'd suggest don't go or get on the healthy side of life. This CV19 is exposing peoples fear of their own poor health. It's a shame....yes, I'm on my soap box out. It's the 80 yr old obese person driving this bus. Get me off of it!!YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 6:04 pmIdiots, all of them. They can’t admit these players aren’t fully amateurs, so they can’t put them in a bubble. And they also think the world’s fittest 20 year olds are going to die from this virus.
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Re: No College Football this fall according to 2 P5 ADs
Cancelling the football season doesn't keep the players from contracting the virus. They will still be breathing and living like most people who have contracted it, whether at home or at school. Except now they won't have daily access to trainers and doctors and medical staffs, and the testing and avoidance protocols and increased structure that would have been part of every program. Maybe they'd be at greater risk of contracting the virus by training, practicing and playing the season. But nobody knows that, or by how much.fetchingaggiefan22 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 6:05 pmSorry but this take is selfish. Yes, a lot of people recover from the virus. However, there are so many that don't, even those who are "healthy". I have a close friend who has seen these so called "healthy" individuals go through the worst of the worst with this virus. I know people who have lost their life to this. As much as I would love to watch football this season it takes a back seat to this.IdaAg93 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 6:23 pmI'm 100% in this camp. This is about cases of CV19 now, not deaths. Yes, people will get the virus, but they'll be fine. It's the 70 yr old obese or metabolically unhealthy person that is at risk. Those people aren't on the field. If that's you in the stands, then I'd suggest don't go or get on the healthy side of life. This CV19 is exposing peoples fear of their own poor health. It's a shame....yes, I'm on my soap box out. It's the 80 yr old obese person driving this bus. Get me off of it!!YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 6:04 pmIdiots, all of them. They can’t admit these players aren’t fully amateurs, so they can’t put them in a bubble. And they also think the world’s fittest 20 year olds are going to die from this virus.
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Yup, they would’ve been better cared for with the team than dismissed for the semester.
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We should play the college football such as evidenced by Sweden's successful college football season.
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Re: No College Football this fall according to 2 P5 ADs
Out of curiosity, true curiosity and not to argue, what ages and in what physical condition were the people in that both you and your friend knew?fetchingaggiefan22 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2020, 6:05 pmSorry but this take is selfish. Yes, a lot of people recover from the virus. However, there are so many that don't, even those who are "healthy". I have a close friend who has seen these so called "healthy" individuals go through the worst of the worst with this virus. I know people who have lost their life to this. As much as I would love to watch football this season it takes a back seat to this.IdaAg93 wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 6:23 pmI'm 100% in this camp. This is about cases of CV19 now, not deaths. Yes, people will get the virus, but they'll be fine. It's the 70 yr old obese or metabolically unhealthy person that is at risk. Those people aren't on the field. If that's you in the stands, then I'd suggest don't go or get on the healthy side of life. This CV19 is exposing peoples fear of their own poor health. It's a shame....yes, I'm on my soap box out. It's the 80 yr old obese person driving this bus. Get me off of it!!YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑August 9th, 2020, 6:04 pmIdiots, all of them. They can’t admit these players aren’t fully amateurs, so they can’t put them in a bubble. And they also think the world’s fittest 20 year olds are going to die from this virus.