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Another domino:Yossarian wrote: ↑June 27th, 2020, 9:18 pmDominos starting to fall
https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/sto ... ith-school
Under Armor looking to terminate a marketing contract with UCLA. No sports - no reason for Under Armor to pay money to UCLA. The school is already being hit by loss of revenue due to the COVID. What chance do the little schools have? Are television contracts next? Have seen the end of bigtime college sports? Who can survive if there is no season this year? The world is changing.
https://sports.yahoo.com/with-14-footba ... 53842.html
Sooners head coach Lincoln Riley had preached patience in returning to campus.
Oklahoma having financial problems. Cut $13.7M from the athletic budget. Cut coaches salaries. Had 14 football players test positive. If the big boys like UCLA and Oklahoma are having financial problems........
And with the high number of athletes testing positive, I really can't see them going forward with a football season.
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If COVID is what the doomsayers are claiming it is (and maybe it is?) then we probably shouldn't have any sports until there is a vaccine, which could be several years if ever.
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Positive tests is only one metric and it is absolutely wrong to base policy decisions off a single metric, especially when those same decisions will impact millions of lives and livelihoods. Yes, the reported number of positive tests are increasing in some areas. But it is necessary to also look behind that single metric and consider what segment(s) of the population is/are being infected, what is the hospitalization rate, mortality rate, etc. I'm sure a public health professional could easily supply a long list of factors beyond the number of positive tests that should also be considered in making policy decisions.Yossarian wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 12:51 amAnother domino:Yossarian wrote: ↑June 27th, 2020, 9:18 pmDominos starting to fall
https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/sto ... ith-school
Under Armor looking to terminate a marketing contract with UCLA. No sports - no reason for Under Armor to pay money to UCLA. The school is already being hit by loss of revenue due to the COVID. What chance do the little schools have? Are television contracts next? Have seen the end of bigtime college sports? Who can survive if there is no season this year? The world is changing.
https://sports.yahoo.com/with-14-footba ... 53842.html
Sooners head coach Lincoln Riley had preached patience in returning to campus.
Oklahoma having financial problems. Cut $13.7M from the athletic budget. Cut coaches salaries. Had 14 football players test positive. If the big boys like UCLA and Oklahoma are having financial problems........
And with the high number of athletes testing positive, I really can't see them going forward with a football season.
Shutting things down, whether it be a football season or a business, has immediate and lasting consequences. Something largely ignored during the pandemic are the non-COVID consequences of closing everything down. There are reports of increases in suicides exceeding COVID-related deaths in some areas. The Journal of the American Medical Association recently published an article about an expectation that the stay-at-home orders will result in an increase in suicides over the next couple of years. Other date show increases in domestic violence during the pandemic. At least in the public discussion, non-COVID impacts of shutting everything down have largely been pushed aside and ignored.
The JAMA article summarized it well by stating that implementation of COVID prevention efforts "should include a comprehensive approach that considers multiple US public health priorities." I would add that consideration of the economic impact is also warranted.
For my part, it is past time to learn how to live with COVID in society instead of trying to run and hide from it. This virus is not going away.
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Re: I am starting to doubt it happens.....
You know when polio was a thing, people didn't stop living their lives. Those who got it at the time were put into something called an iron lung that helped them breathe. Many people didn't recover, and those that did were crippled for the rest of their lives, or impacted in some way. In the late 1950's, of course, Dr. Jonas Salk discovered the vaccine for polio. I remember going to a local elementary school to receive a sugar cube that had the vaccine on it. We all took it, and polio was eventually eradicated as a major concern.
I know many of you on this board are younger and are concerned. You should be. But like every other disease of the past 20 years-- HIV, MERS, SARS, and all the rest, a way will be found to contain Covid-19. Have some hope. We've been through this before. Our public health and research folks have had the decks cleared so they can find the solution that will benefit us all. In the meantime, wear your mask and socially distance. If we have to go without football this fall we will live with that. It won't be as fun. But if a window is provided to knock out this disease, then so be it. THAT is the most important thing, ultimately.
I know many of you on this board are younger and are concerned. You should be. But like every other disease of the past 20 years-- HIV, MERS, SARS, and all the rest, a way will be found to contain Covid-19. Have some hope. We've been through this before. Our public health and research folks have had the decks cleared so they can find the solution that will benefit us all. In the meantime, wear your mask and socially distance. If we have to go without football this fall we will live with that. It won't be as fun. But if a window is provided to knock out this disease, then so be it. THAT is the most important thing, ultimately.
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Re: I am starting to doubt it happens.....
As a primary care provider I can tell you that at least with our patients here in Idaho Covid-19 has increased dramatically the amount of patients with depression and anxiety, and those patients with already existing depression/anxiety are now suicidal or on the brink. The majority of our diabetics and hypertensive patients are worse because of lack of exercise, stress, and poor diets secondary to stay at home orders, work closures, and social distancing. I've had cancer patients worsen because their treatment was put on hold for 3 months. Other patients with shoulder and knee surgeries that were put on hold have now been out of work for 6-9 months and are holding on by a thread.bwcrc wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 6:55 amPositive tests is only one metric and it is absolutely wrong to base policy decisions off a single metric, especially when those same decisions will impact millions of lives and livelihoods. Yes, the reported number of positive tests are increasing in some areas. But it is necessary to also look behind that single metric and consider what segment(s) of the population is/are being infected, what is the hospitalization rate, mortality rate, etc. I'm sure a public health professional could easily supply a long list of factors beyond the number of positive tests that should also be considered in making policy decisions.Yossarian wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 12:51 amAnother domino:Yossarian wrote: ↑June 27th, 2020, 9:18 pmDominos starting to fall
https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/sto ... ith-school
Under Armor looking to terminate a marketing contract with UCLA. No sports - no reason for Under Armor to pay money to UCLA. The school is already being hit by loss of revenue due to the COVID. What chance do the little schools have? Are television contracts next? Have seen the end of bigtime college sports? Who can survive if there is no season this year? The world is changing.
https://sports.yahoo.com/with-14-footba ... 53842.html
Sooners head coach Lincoln Riley had preached patience in returning to campus.
Oklahoma having financial problems. Cut $13.7M from the athletic budget. Cut coaches salaries. Had 14 football players test positive. If the big boys like UCLA and Oklahoma are having financial problems........
And with the high number of athletes testing positive, I really can't see them going forward with a football season.
Shutting things down, whether it be a football season or a business, has immediate and lasting consequences. Something largely ignored during the pandemic are the non-COVID consequences of closing everything down. There are reports of increases in suicides exceeding COVID-related deaths in some areas. The Journal of the American Medical Association recently published an article about an expectation that the stay-at-home orders will result in an increase in suicides over the next couple of years. Other date show increases in domestic violence during the pandemic. At least in the public discussion, non-COVID impacts of shutting everything down have largely been pushed aside and ignored.
The JAMA article summarized it well by stating that implementation of COVID prevention efforts "should include a comprehensive approach that considers multiple US public health priorities." I would add that consideration of the economic impact is also warranted.
For my part, it is past time to learn how to live with COVID in society instead of trying to run and hide from it. This virus is not going away.
We have not lost one patient to Covid-19 complications, but significant damage has been done in other areas and will be felt years down the road if we continue to treat it like the plague.
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Re: I am starting to doubt it happens.....
So has anyone seen that their may be a new swine flu strain that they are already linkinG with the word pandemic (possible pandemic). We may be in lock down for years at this rate.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:12 amAs a primary care provider I can tell you that at least with our patients here in Idaho Covid-19 has increased dramatically the amount of patients with depression and anxiety, and those patients with already existing depression/anxiety are now suicidal or on the brink. The majority of our diabetics and hypertensive patients are worse because of lack of exercise, stress, and poor diets secondary to stay at home orders, work closures, and social distancing. I've had cancer patients worsen because their treatment was put on hold for 3 months. Other patients with shoulder and knee surgeries that were put on hold have now been out of work for 6-9 months and are holding on by a thread.bwcrc wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 6:55 amPositive tests is only one metric and it is absolutely wrong to base policy decisions off a single metric, especially when those same decisions will impact millions of lives and livelihoods. Yes, the reported number of positive tests are increasing in some areas. But it is necessary to also look behind that single metric and consider what segment(s) of the population is/are being infected, what is the hospitalization rate, mortality rate, etc. I'm sure a public health professional could easily supply a long list of factors beyond the number of positive tests that should also be considered in making policy decisions.Yossarian wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 12:51 amAnother domino:Yossarian wrote: ↑June 27th, 2020, 9:18 pmDominos starting to fall
https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/sto ... ith-school
Under Armor looking to terminate a marketing contract with UCLA. No sports - no reason for Under Armor to pay money to UCLA. The school is already being hit by loss of revenue due to the COVID. What chance do the little schools have? Are television contracts next? Have seen the end of bigtime college sports? Who can survive if there is no season this year? The world is changing.
https://sports.yahoo.com/with-14-footba ... 53842.html
Sooners head coach Lincoln Riley had preached patience in returning to campus.
Oklahoma having financial problems. Cut $13.7M from the athletic budget. Cut coaches salaries. Had 14 football players test positive. If the big boys like UCLA and Oklahoma are having financial problems........
And with the high number of athletes testing positive, I really can't see them going forward with a football season.
Shutting things down, whether it be a football season or a business, has immediate and lasting consequences. Something largely ignored during the pandemic are the non-COVID consequences of closing everything down. There are reports of increases in suicides exceeding COVID-related deaths in some areas. The Journal of the American Medical Association recently published an article about an expectation that the stay-at-home orders will result in an increase in suicides over the next couple of years. Other date show increases in domestic violence during the pandemic. At least in the public discussion, non-COVID impacts of shutting everything down have largely been pushed aside and ignored.
The JAMA article summarized it well by stating that implementation of COVID prevention efforts "should include a comprehensive approach that considers multiple US public health priorities." I would add that consideration of the economic impact is also warranted.
For my part, it is past time to learn how to live with COVID in society instead of trying to run and hide from it. This virus is not going away.
We have not lost one patient to Covid-19 complications, but significant damage has been done in other areas and will be felt years down the road if we continue to treat it like the plague.
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It's intoxicating, this power to speak and have 300M+ people snap to. Gotta catch em all!slcagg wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:21 amSo has anyone seen that their may be a new swine flu strain that they are already linkinG with the word pandemic (possible pandemic). We may be in lock down for years at this rate.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:12 amAs a primary care provider I can tell you that at least with our patients here in Idaho Covid-19 has increased dramatically the amount of patients with depression and anxiety, and those patients with already existing depression/anxiety are now suicidal or on the brink. The majority of our diabetics and hypertensive patients are worse because of lack of exercise, stress, and poor diets secondary to stay at home orders, work closures, and social distancing. I've had cancer patients worsen because their treatment was put on hold for 3 months. Other patients with shoulder and knee surgeries that were put on hold have now been out of work for 6-9 months and are holding on by a thread.bwcrc wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 6:55 amPositive tests is only one metric and it is absolutely wrong to base policy decisions off a single metric, especially when those same decisions will impact millions of lives and livelihoods. Yes, the reported number of positive tests are increasing in some areas. But it is necessary to also look behind that single metric and consider what segment(s) of the population is/are being infected, what is the hospitalization rate, mortality rate, etc. I'm sure a public health professional could easily supply a long list of factors beyond the number of positive tests that should also be considered in making policy decisions.Yossarian wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 12:51 amAnother domino:Yossarian wrote: ↑June 27th, 2020, 9:18 pmDominos starting to fall
https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/sto ... ith-school
Under Armor looking to terminate a marketing contract with UCLA. No sports - no reason for Under Armor to pay money to UCLA. The school is already being hit by loss of revenue due to the COVID. What chance do the little schools have? Are television contracts next? Have seen the end of bigtime college sports? Who can survive if there is no season this year? The world is changing.
https://sports.yahoo.com/with-14-footba ... 53842.html
Sooners head coach Lincoln Riley had preached patience in returning to campus.
Oklahoma having financial problems. Cut $13.7M from the athletic budget. Cut coaches salaries. Had 14 football players test positive. If the big boys like UCLA and Oklahoma are having financial problems........
And with the high number of athletes testing positive, I really can't see them going forward with a football season.
Shutting things down, whether it be a football season or a business, has immediate and lasting consequences. Something largely ignored during the pandemic are the non-COVID consequences of closing everything down. There are reports of increases in suicides exceeding COVID-related deaths in some areas. The Journal of the American Medical Association recently published an article about an expectation that the stay-at-home orders will result in an increase in suicides over the next couple of years. Other date show increases in domestic violence during the pandemic. At least in the public discussion, non-COVID impacts of shutting everything down have largely been pushed aside and ignored.
The JAMA article summarized it well by stating that implementation of COVID prevention efforts "should include a comprehensive approach that considers multiple US public health priorities." I would add that consideration of the economic impact is also warranted.
For my part, it is past time to learn how to live with COVID in society instead of trying to run and hide from it. This virus is not going away.
We have not lost one patient to Covid-19 complications, but significant damage has been done in other areas and will be felt years down the road if we continue to treat it like the plague.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: I am starting to doubt it happens.....
It's been around since 2016. Seems like if it was going to go pandemic it would've gone that way by now.
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It will go 'pandemic' when the powers that be tell is it is a 'pandemic', pending political and other cultural and societal factors where they feel they are losing control over the serfs.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:34 amIt's been around since 2016. Seems like if it was going to go pandemic it would've gone that way by now.
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So about the time they finally admit Covid is under control.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:36 amIt will go 'pandemic' when the powers that be tell is it is a 'pandemic', pending political and other cultural and societal factors where they feel they are losing control over the serfs.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:34 amIt's been around since 2016. Seems like if it was going to go pandemic it would've gone that way by now.
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Here’s some good news and possibly a sign of things to come. Real Monarchs the minor league affiliate of Real Salt Lake is having games with fans in the stands starting July 11. The capacity will be limited to around 5 thousand at Rio Tinto Stadium.
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Early November is my guess.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:44 amSo about the time they finally admit Covid is under control.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:36 amIt will go 'pandemic' when the powers that be tell is it is a 'pandemic', pending political and other cultural and societal factors where they feel they are losing control over the serfs.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:34 amIt's been around since 2016. Seems like if it was going to go pandemic it would've gone that way by now.
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Re: I am starting to doubt it happens.....
Like about the 4th?slcagg wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 10:01 amEarly November is my guess.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:44 amSo about the time they finally admit Covid is under control.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:36 amIt will go 'pandemic' when the powers that be tell is it is a 'pandemic', pending political and other cultural and societal factors where they feel they are losing control over the serfs.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:34 amIt's been around since 2016. Seems like if it was going to go pandemic it would've gone that way by now.
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Haha. Just in time for basketball season!aggies22 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 10:05 amLike about the 4th?slcagg wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 10:01 amEarly November is my guess.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:44 amSo about the time they finally admit Covid is under control.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:36 amIt will go 'pandemic' when the powers that be tell is it is a 'pandemic', pending political and other cultural and societal factors where they feel they are losing control over the serfs.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:34 amIt's been around since 2016. Seems like if it was going to go pandemic it would've gone that way by now.
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But will the "real" sports leagues start playing?VegasBornAggie wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:56 am
Here’s some good news and possibly a sign of things to come. Real Monarchs the minor league affiliate of Real Salt Lake is having games with fans in the stands starting July 11. The capacity will be limited to around 5 thousand at Rio Tinto Stadium.
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Oh definitely at least its getting the ball rolling for in-person sporting events.Yossarian wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 11:59 amBut will the "real" sports leagues start playing?VegasBornAggie wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:56 am
Here’s some good news and possibly a sign of things to come. Real Monarchs the minor league affiliate of Real Salt Lake is having games with fans in the stands starting July 11. The capacity will be limited to around 5 thousand at Rio Tinto Stadium.
Thing is Utah Health officials are allowing right around 25% capacity of Rio Tinto Stadium. If they do the same for the Mav there will be right around 6500 seats available for this upcoming football season.
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The state of Utah is allowing 65% capacity for college football this fall. Source Level: our ticket office.VegasBornAggie wrote:Oh definitely at least its getting the ball rolling for in-person sporting events.Yossarian wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 11:59 amBut will the "real" sports leagues start playing?VegasBornAggie wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:56 am
Here’s some good news and possibly a sign of things to come. Real Monarchs the minor league affiliate of Real Salt Lake is having games with fans in the stands starting July 11. The capacity will be limited to around 5 thousand at Rio Tinto Stadium.
Thing is Utah Health officials are allowing right around 25% capacity of Rio Tinto Stadium. If they do the same for the Mav there will be right around 6500 seats available for this upcoming football season.
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Re: I am starting to doubt it happens.....
Went in to have my prostate checked and asked the Doctor "should take my pants off?" He said "Yes! Take your pants off and put them right over there with mine."hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑June 29th, 2020, 4:47 pmWhat about a prostate check?VegasBornAggie wrote: ↑June 29th, 2020, 2:27 pmCompletely agree if I have to wear a mask to see USU play in person I'll do it. Heck if I have to get a COVID-19 test to go and see them play live I'd even do that.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑June 29th, 2020, 11:26 amIf masks are a requirement to go see the Aggies play live, I have no issue doing that.
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That's proper procedure isn't it?El Sapo wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 6:03 pmWent in to have my prostate checked and asked the Doctor "should take my pants off?" He said "Yes! Take your pants off and put them right over there with mine."hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑June 29th, 2020, 4:47 pmWhat about a prostate check?VegasBornAggie wrote: ↑June 29th, 2020, 2:27 pmCompletely agree if I have to wear a mask to see USU play in person I'll do it. Heck if I have to get a COVID-19 test to go and see them play live I'd even do that.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑June 29th, 2020, 11:26 amIf masks are a requirement to go see the Aggies play live, I have no issue doing that.
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I’m starting to really think the season isn’t going to happen. Basketball might start off without fans, the. Transition if/when vaccines and treatments come. But I don’t think football is realistic or smart at this point.
People who are obese and have diabetes are at risk. How many D-1 lineman fall under one of those two categories? Even if they are in great shape, they still are big and their size puts a lot of pressure on their lungs. I’ve heard that a high percentage of lineman already have sleep apnea.
For that reason I would not be surprised if the NCAA cancels the season. Even without fans in the stands they’d be putting a lot of vulnerable athletes at risk.
People who are obese and have diabetes are at risk. How many D-1 lineman fall under one of those two categories? Even if they are in great shape, they still are big and their size puts a lot of pressure on their lungs. I’ve heard that a high percentage of lineman already have sleep apnea.
For that reason I would not be surprised if the NCAA cancels the season. Even without fans in the stands they’d be putting a lot of vulnerable athletes at risk.
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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I worry they need to stop tackling as well. Did you see all the injuries last year?AggieUprising50 wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2020, 11:21 amI’m starting to really think the season isn’t going to happen. Basketball might start off without fans, the. Transition if/when vaccines and treatments come. But I don’t think football is realistic or smart at this point.
People who are obese and have diabetes are at risk. How many D-1 lineman fall under one of those two categories? Even if they are in great shape, they still are big and their size puts a lot of pressure on their lungs. I’ve heard that a high percentage of lineman already have sleep apnea.
For that reason I would not be surprised if the NCAA cancels the season. Even without fans in the stands they’d be putting a lot of vulnerable athletes at risk.
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I think the good epidemiologist has the right attitude about how we need to approach this. One thing that really stood out to me about what the data and evidence are showing is "the impact of COVID-19 is about 0.1% of 1918 influenza, since the 1918 influenza killed mostly young healthy people (average age 28), while the average age of death with COVID-19 is 80 years, with several comorbidities."
Now that we have some verifiable information upon which policy makers can make informed decisions, we need "to deal with COVID-19 in a smart, precision-risk targeted approach, rather than blindly shutting down everything." Unfortunately, very little press is given to this attitude since it fails to fit into mass media's narratives to drive viewers, ratings, and their own agenda.
Something we heard a lot about several months ago was the need for herd immunity for life to return to normal. If we keep shutting everything down, how will herd immunity ever develop?
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"Are you using both hands doc?" -- FletchEl Sapo wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 6:03 pmWent in to have my prostate checked and asked the Doctor "should take my pants off?" He said "Yes! Take your pants off and put them right over there with mine."hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑June 29th, 2020, 4:47 pmWhat about a prostate check?VegasBornAggie wrote: ↑June 29th, 2020, 2:27 pmCompletely agree if I have to wear a mask to see USU play in person I'll do it. Heck if I have to get a COVID-19 test to go and see them play live I'd even do that.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑June 29th, 2020, 11:26 amIf masks are a requirement to go see the Aggies play live, I have no issue doing that.
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Its official the Pac 12 is going to a conference only format which means no Wazzu and Washington game this season unfortunately.
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Besides the obvious that there has been over 3 million cases in America and over 130,000 deaths, Texas's very Republican governor put out a mandatory mask order and said there would be another shutdown if citizens didn't comply.slcagg wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 10:01 amEarly November is my guess.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:44 amSo about the time they finally admit Covid is under control.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:36 amIt will go 'pandemic' when the powers that be tell is it is a 'pandemic', pending political and other cultural and societal factors where they feel they are losing control over the serfs.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2020, 9:34 amIt's been around since 2016. Seems like if it was going to go pandemic it would've gone that way by now.
The belief that this is some hoax or a political conspiracy to win an election is crazy and should have been put to bed a long time ago. Nobody likes the current situation, but it is a real global problem we have to deal with. Pretending it isn't real is not going to help solve it.
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