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Are you really arguing because a player starts on a successful team that he is irreplaceable? There are below average players that start on great teams all the time.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑May 27th, 2020, 8:17 amSo you've clearly stated Luc Longley wasn't good. Why then, was he still starting in 3 separate seasons with the Bulls winning titles?GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑May 26th, 2020, 9:56 pmSmith had Sam Merrill for the two conference championship seasons like he won't have him next year.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑May 25th, 2020, 11:25 amCraig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.
There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
The Chicago Bulls won three NBA titles with Luc Longley starting. Why do you think the Phoenix Suns in 1998-2000 weren't able to win a title with him?
And the Bulls in 1998-99 still had Toni Kukoc who was a starter on their championship team, why do you think they weren't any good?
I hope Miller improves and has a great season next year, but there is a reason he took no shots in the championship game. He either needs to be much improved or I do hope he gets beat out for minutes.
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Miller is our biggest problem right now, followed closely by back court ball handling.
I would agree that we are in great shape.
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I'm interested in what an outsider thinks is the biggest issue, please elaborate. Honestly asking, no sarcasm.
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IMO our biggest problem lack of outside shooting. While Miller struggled from 3 last year, the entire team was pretty bad (with the exception of Merrill). I'm not convinced that we've solved this problem.
In '18-'19 we shot 35% from 3 and won both the regular season and tournament. Last year we shot 33%.
We lose Merrill who shot 41% from 3. If you remove his shooting stats, the rest of the team shot 30% from 3 - many of these shots were wide open too. That's not good. If we want to compete for another championship we need the returning guys to get much better from 3, or the new guys need to be really good shooters.
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I going to go out on a limb and say this might be the deepest team we've ever had at Utah State. I feel great about the upcoming season.
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Miller would have been fine if Porter or Brito were elite three point shooters. The problem we had is 3 out of our 4 wing players couldn’t shoot that great.brownjeans wrote:IMO our biggest problem lack of outside shooting. While Miller struggled from 3 last year, the entire team was pretty bad (with the exception of Merrill). I'm not convinced that we've solved this problem.
In '18-'19 we shot 35% from 3 and won both the regular season and tournament. Last year we shot 33%.
We lose Merrill who shot 41% from 3. If you remove his shooting stats, the rest of the team shot 30% from 3 - many of these shots were wide open too. That's not good. If we want to compete for another championship we need the returning guys get much better from 3, or the new guys need to be really good shooters.
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I think the biggest thing for me is who is going to step up. I think we have a ton of talent, but we haven't seen a lot of it. Which player steps up as the leader and who will replace Sam as THE man? Who fills in as those role players for Brito and Porter. Its a lot of experience to replace. I'm excited for the season already.
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No one will replace Sam as the man. Players like Sam come along once in a generation. Sam's production will be replaced by a collection of players.Aggie19 wrote: ↑May 28th, 2020, 12:14 pmI think the biggest thing for me is who is going to step up. I think we have a ton of talent, but we haven't seen a lot of it. Which player steps up as the leader and who will replace Sam as THE man? Who fills in as those role players for Brito and Porter. Its a lot of experience to replace. I'm excited for the season already.
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Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. While "Live by the Sam, die by the Sam" meant we won a lot more than we lost, a whole team stepping up and improving collectively to fill those clutch af shoes means a lot of good for our team. When Jaycee graduated, I thought our next year wouldn't be so great, but our '08-'09 team was a better overall team. Not that losing Jaycee was good directly, but it made other players grow and develop.aggies22 wrote: ↑May 28th, 2020, 12:57 pmNo one will replace Sam as the man. Where is like Sam come along once in a generation. Sam's production will be be replaced by a collection of players.Aggie19 wrote: ↑May 28th, 2020, 12:14 pmI think the biggest thing for me is who is going to step up. I think we have a ton of talent, but we haven't seen a lot of it. Which player steps up as the leader and who will replace Sam as THE man? Who fills in as those role players for Brito and Porter. Its a lot of experience to replace. I'm excited for the season already.
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We do have 2 all league guys already in Bean (very possibly best at his position) and Queta (best at his position) and then by all accounts Marco has the ability to be an all league type guy. Plus to 22's earlier point a ton of depth. 3 all league guys who are essentially part of the top 15 players in the league plus solid role players will win you alot of games.
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Not to mention an excellent coach at the helm!slcagg wrote: ↑May 28th, 2020, 2:54 pmWe do have 2 all league guys already in Bean (very possibly best at his position) and Queta (best at his position) and then by all accounts Marco has the ability to be an all league type guy. Plus to 22's earlier point a ton of depth. 3 all league guys who are essentially part of the top 15 players in the league plus solid role players will win you alot of games.
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Yep. Not to say I am looking forward to us without Merrill. He is a phenomenal talent and one of the best Aggies of all time. However, there is precedent for the Aggies to get better after losing a star player. Other players just have to fill the void and buy in. 30-5 with a 1 pt loss in the dance in a game we should have had was the result last time.Real Life Aggie wrote: ↑May 28th, 2020, 1:44 pmWhich isn't necessarily a bad thing. While "Live by the Sam, die by the Sam" meant we won a lot more than we lost, a whole team stepping up and improving collectively to fill those clutch af shoes means a lot of good for our team. When Jaycee graduated, I thought our next year wouldn't be so great, but our '08-'09 team was a better overall team. Not that losing Jaycee was good directly, but it made other players grow and develop.aggies22 wrote: ↑May 28th, 2020, 12:57 pmNo one will replace Sam as the man. Where is like Sam come along once in a generation. Sam's production will be be replaced by a collection of players.Aggie19 wrote: ↑May 28th, 2020, 12:14 pmI think the biggest thing for me is who is going to step up. I think we have a ton of talent, but we haven't seen a lot of it. Which player steps up as the leader and who will replace Sam as THE man? Who fills in as those role players for Brito and Porter. Its a lot of experience to replace. I'm excited for the season already.
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I was told by a very experienced coach who saw McChesney on defense last year before he got sick/hurt, that he was the quickest guy he had ever seen guarding from the block out to the perimeter. If this is true, Liam could have a future at the 3. He might be tall, but his body is a "3" body. And he's a tremendous outside shooter.bpd wrote: ↑May 25th, 2020, 10:28 amAlso, for those saying Liam plays the 3, can he guard the 3? I'm going to guess no as they will out quick him. I don't know where Liam finds minutes with Bean and Alphonso ahead of him. Brock will start because of experience, he knows what he is doing, and he will have a better year because it can't be as bad as last year. We really need an experienced guard.
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Imagine a lot of this has to do with his length?AggiesForever wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 12:17 pmI was told by a very experienced coach who saw McChesney on defense last year before he got sick/hurt, that he was the quickest guy he had ever seen guarding from the block out to the perimeter. If this is true, Liam could have a future at the 3. He might be tall, but his body is a "3" body. And he's a tremendous outside shooter.bpd wrote: ↑May 25th, 2020, 10:28 amAlso, for those saying Liam plays the 3, can he guard the 3? I'm going to guess no as they will out quick him. I don't know where Liam finds minutes with Bean and Alphonso ahead of him. Brock will start because of experience, he knows what he is doing, and he will have a better year because it can't be as bad as last year. We really need an experienced guard.
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Amen to that.
We always need a scapegoat on here, and we always find one and pile on. Miller's the current one, but it may shift next season.
And just to be clear, I wasn't happy with Miller's overall play last year, but I think he's been getting too much into his own head. He's got the skills to be a good player, he honestly just needs to get a sports psychologist to help him out a bit.
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Agreed.2004AG wrote: ↑May 28th, 2020, 12:14 pmMiller would have been fine if Porter or Brito were elite three point shooters. The problem we had is 3 out of our 4 wing players couldn’t shoot that great.brownjeans wrote:IMO our biggest problem lack of outside shooting. While Miller struggled from 3 last year, the entire team was pretty bad (with the exception of Merrill). I'm not convinced that we've solved this problem.
In '18-'19 we shot 35% from 3 and won both the regular season and tournament. Last year we shot 33%.
We lose Merrill who shot 41% from 3. If you remove his shooting stats, the rest of the team shot 30% from 3 - many of these shots were wide open too. That's not good. If we want to compete for another championship we need the returning guys get much better from 3, or the new guys need to be really good shooters.
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You could be right. It's just hard to say when we haven't seen anything from the majority of our incoming players. I remember being EXTREMELY excited when we recruited Quincy Bair, Marcel Davis, and Riley Bradshaw a few years back. Davis was the only one that played more than a game or two for us, and transferred after two seasons.
I'd place our incoming players into the following categories:
Very High Confidence
Anthony - Coach already stated he was one of the best "Gets" in recruiting he's had and that he'll play a ton of minutes for us
High Confidence
Shulga - Yes, I LOVE what I've seen from this kid
Zapala - Lots of hype and big time offers
McChesney All reports are that he's a lights out shooter and freak athlete for as tall as he is
Medium Confidence
Ashworth - Was probably higher on him shortly after he committed but it's been so long and team transformed so much under Coach Smith that I'm in a wait and see phase
Worster - Could be very good for us, but it's yet to be seen. I was burned by Riley Bradshaw so I'm hesitant to go all in just yet.
It's going to be interesting to see how we handle redshirts this coming year. I think at least a couple of the guys above should redshirt. Obviously Anthony and McChesney won't and I doubt that Zapala does... My guess is that Ashworth and Worster redshirt, but if one of them is good enough to play I'll be very happy with that outcome.
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I hear McChesney now weighs about the same that Queta did at the end of Queta's Freshman year.
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Good analysis.treesap32 wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:02 pmYou could be right. It's just hard to say when we haven't seen anything from the majority of our incoming players. I remember being EXTREMELY excited when we recruited Quincy Bair, Marcel Davis, and Riley Bradshaw a few years back. Davis was the only one that played more than a game or two for us, and transferred after two seasons.
I'd place our incoming players into the following categories:
Very High Confidence
Anthony - Coach already stated he was one of the best "Gets" in recruiting he's had and that he'll play a ton of minutes for us
High Confidence
Shulga - Yes, I LOVE what I've seen from this kid
Zapala - Lots of hype and big time offers
McChesney All reports are that he's a lights out shooter and freak athlete for as tall as he is
Medium Confidence
Ashworth - Was probably higher on him shortly after he committed but it's been so long and team transformed so much under Coach Smith that I'm in a wait and see phase
Worster - Could be very good for us, but it's yet to be seen. I was burned by Riley Bradshaw so I'm hesitant to go all in just yet.
It's going to be interesting to see how we handle redshirts this coming year. I think at least a couple of the guys above should redshirt. Obviously Anthony and McChesney won't and I doubt that Zapala does... My guess is that Ashworth and Worster redshirt, but if one of them is good enough to play I'll be very happy with that outcome.
Bairstow came in with a lot of hype and I was somewhat underwhelmed by him. He seemed out of control a lot and the speed and strength of older players really bothered him. We have had freshman contribute more than what we got out of him. Hopefully he picks it up next year - he is going to be relied upon to be a key contributor.
What can we expect from Anthony? Is he a Chris Smith type player (15 pts., 5 rebounds, 2 assists per game)?
Can one of either Worster or Shulga develop into a Spencer Butterfield type player?
If we could get that type of development, the future looks bright for Aggie basketball.
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Do you know how much that is? 215? 205?brownjeans wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:04 pmI hear McChesney now weighs about the same that Queta did at the end of Queta's Freshman year.
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Between 215 and 220.slcagg wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:16 pmDo you know how much that is? 215? 205?brownjeans wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:04 pmI hear McChesney now weighs about the same that Queta did at the end of Queta's Freshman year.
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He's Canadian - can you convert that to kilos (and in French, please)?brownjeans wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:18 pmBetween 215 and 220.slcagg wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:16 pmDo you know how much that is? 215? 205?brownjeans wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:04 pmI hear McChesney now weighs about the same that Queta did at the end of Queta's Freshman year.
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I like how you separated this out into categories.treesap32 wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:02 pmYou could be right. It's just hard to say when we haven't seen anything from the majority of our incoming players. I remember being EXTREMELY excited when we recruited Quincy Bair, Marcel Davis, and Riley Bradshaw a few years back. Davis was the only one that played more than a game or two for us, and transferred after two seasons.
I'd place our incoming players into the following categories:
Very High Confidence
Anthony - Coach already stated he was one of the best "Gets" in recruiting he's had and that he'll play a ton of minutes for us
High Confidence
Shulga - Yes, I LOVE what I've seen from this kid
Zapala - Lots of hype and big time offers
McChesney All reports are that he's a lights out shooter and freak athlete for as tall as he is
Medium Confidence
Ashworth - Was probably higher on him shortly after he committed but it's been so long and team transformed so much under Coach Smith that I'm in a wait and see phase
Worster - Could be very good for us, but it's yet to be seen. I was burned by Riley Bradshaw so I'm hesitant to go all in just yet.
It's going to be interesting to see how we handle redshirts this coming year. I think at least a couple of the guys above should redshirt. Obviously Anthony and McChesney won't and I doubt that Zapala does... My guess is that Ashworth and Worster redshirt, but if one of them is good enough to play I'll be very happy with that outcome.
As I've mentioned before, I have a hard time separating out hype from reality with incoming freshman, and (perhaps because of this), I'm a lot bigger on Ashworth and Worster than on Shulga. Ashworth sounds amazing, as does Worster. So, why are you much more confident in Shulga than the other two?
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1 kg to 2.20462 lbs conversion. Can’t help you on the French.Yossarian wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:30 pmHe's Canadian - can you convert that to kilos (and in French, please)?brownjeans wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:18 pmBetween 215 and 220.slcagg wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:16 pmDo you know how much that is? 215? 205?brownjeans wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:04 pmI hear McChesney now weighs about the same that Queta did at the end of Queta's Freshman year.
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I was someone who was really high on Bairstow (still am TBH), and while I wasn't surprised at all to see some freshman struggles I was still a tad underwhelmed and disappointed because I didn't see as many flashes of potential I was hoping to see. Too often he just looked lost on offense (I remember one play in particular against Nevada where multiple guys had to remind him what he was supposed to do on a play) and he just seems very underdeveloped in terms of basketball skills. Without those skills his athleticism doesn't really matter and he'll basically be USU's version of Dante Exum.Yossarian wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:12 pmGood analysis.treesap32 wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:02 pmYou could be right. It's just hard to say when we haven't seen anything from the majority of our incoming players. I remember being EXTREMELY excited when we recruited Quincy Bair, Marcel Davis, and Riley Bradshaw a few years back. Davis was the only one that played more than a game or two for us, and transferred after two seasons.
I'd place our incoming players into the following categories:
Very High Confidence
Anthony - Coach already stated he was one of the best "Gets" in recruiting he's had and that he'll play a ton of minutes for us
High Confidence
Shulga - Yes, I LOVE what I've seen from this kid
Zapala - Lots of hype and big time offers
McChesney All reports are that he's a lights out shooter and freak athlete for as tall as he is
Medium Confidence
Ashworth - Was probably higher on him shortly after he committed but it's been so long and team transformed so much under Coach Smith that I'm in a wait and see phase
Worster - Could be very good for us, but it's yet to be seen. I was burned by Riley Bradshaw so I'm hesitant to go all in just yet.
It's going to be interesting to see how we handle redshirts this coming year. I think at least a couple of the guys above should redshirt. Obviously Anthony and McChesney won't and I doubt that Zapala does... My guess is that Ashworth and Worster redshirt, but if one of them is good enough to play I'll be very happy with that outcome.
Bairstow came in with a lot of hype and I was somewhat underwhelmed by him. He seemed out of control a lot and the speed and strength of older players really bothered him. We have had freshman contribute more than what we got out of him. Hopefully he picks it up next year - he is going to be relied upon to be a key contributor.
What can we expect from Anthony? Is he a Chris Smith type player (15 pts., 5 rebounds, 2 assists per game)?
Can one of either Worster or Shulga develop into a Spencer Butterfield type player?
If we could get that type of development, the future looks bright for Aggie basketball.
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Shulga's highlight videos remind me a lot of Matthew Dellavedova. Kid looks like a baller to me. His shooting stats are obscenely good, he's got good handles, good passer, great defender that can get a high amount of steals, and even a good rebounder. He's played well at an U18 international level. Coach was comparing him a lot to Diogo Brito saying that he's a "jack of all trades" and a "swiss army knife" and an elite shooter which is a quality we're sorely in need of. He seems pretty excited to get him. From the minute I saw him in his highlight videos I thought that this kid was going to be a baller for us.Real Life Aggie wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:37 pmI like how you separated this out into categories.treesap32 wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:02 pmYou could be right. It's just hard to say when we haven't seen anything from the majority of our incoming players. I remember being EXTREMELY excited when we recruited Quincy Bair, Marcel Davis, and Riley Bradshaw a few years back. Davis was the only one that played more than a game or two for us, and transferred after two seasons.
I'd place our incoming players into the following categories:
Very High Confidence
Anthony - Coach already stated he was one of the best "Gets" in recruiting he's had and that he'll play a ton of minutes for us
High Confidence
Shulga - Yes, I LOVE what I've seen from this kid
Zapala - Lots of hype and big time offers
McChesney All reports are that he's a lights out shooter and freak athlete for as tall as he is
Medium Confidence
Ashworth - Was probably higher on him shortly after he committed but it's been so long and team transformed so much under Coach Smith that I'm in a wait and see phase
Worster - Could be very good for us, but it's yet to be seen. I was burned by Riley Bradshaw so I'm hesitant to go all in just yet.
It's going to be interesting to see how we handle redshirts this coming year. I think at least a couple of the guys above should redshirt. Obviously Anthony and McChesney won't and I doubt that Zapala does... My guess is that Ashworth and Worster redshirt, but if one of them is good enough to play I'll be very happy with that outcome.
As I've mentioned before, I have a hard time separating out hype from reality with incoming freshman, and (perhaps because of this), I'm a lot bigger on Ashworth and Worster than on Shulga. Ashworth sounds amazing, as does Worster. So, why are you much more confident in Shulga than the other two?
But again, it's hard to say on incoming freshmen. I could be way off. But I think this is a sleeper signing that we are going to LOVE in years to come.
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Diogo with a better shot. I think he averaged close to 8 rebounds or something like that in the U18.treesap32 wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 2:38 pmShulga's highlight videos remind me a lot of Matthew Dellavedova. Kid looks like a baller to me. His shooting stats are obscenely good, he's got good handles, good passer, great defender that can get a high amount of steals, and even a good rebounder. He's played well at an U18 international level. Coach was comparing him a lot to Diogo Brito saying that he's a "jack of all trades" and a "swiss army knife" and an elite shooter which is a quality we're sorely in need of. He seems pretty excited to get him. From the minute I saw him in his highlight videos I thought that this kid was going to be a baller for us.Real Life Aggie wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:37 pmI like how you separated this out into categories.treesap32 wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:02 pmYou could be right. It's just hard to say when we haven't seen anything from the majority of our incoming players. I remember being EXTREMELY excited when we recruited Quincy Bair, Marcel Davis, and Riley Bradshaw a few years back. Davis was the only one that played more than a game or two for us, and transferred after two seasons.
I'd place our incoming players into the following categories:
Very High Confidence
Anthony - Coach already stated he was one of the best "Gets" in recruiting he's had and that he'll play a ton of minutes for us
High Confidence
Shulga - Yes, I LOVE what I've seen from this kid
Zapala - Lots of hype and big time offers
McChesney All reports are that he's a lights out shooter and freak athlete for as tall as he is
Medium Confidence
Ashworth - Was probably higher on him shortly after he committed but it's been so long and team transformed so much under Coach Smith that I'm in a wait and see phase
Worster - Could be very good for us, but it's yet to be seen. I was burned by Riley Bradshaw so I'm hesitant to go all in just yet.
It's going to be interesting to see how we handle redshirts this coming year. I think at least a couple of the guys above should redshirt. Obviously Anthony and McChesney won't and I doubt that Zapala does... My guess is that Ashworth and Worster redshirt, but if one of them is good enough to play I'll be very happy with that outcome.
As I've mentioned before, I have a hard time separating out hype from reality with incoming freshman, and (perhaps because of this), I'm a lot bigger on Ashworth and Worster than on Shulga. Ashworth sounds amazing, as does Worster. So, why are you much more confident in Shulga than the other two?
But again, it's hard to say on incoming freshmen. I could be way off. But I think this is a sleeper signing that we are going to LOVE in years to come.
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Il pèse 53,004.411869477415827439637383375 Limoges marces.Yossarian wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:30 pmHe's Canadian - can you convert that to kilos (and in French, please)?brownjeans wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:18 pmBetween 215 and 220.slcagg wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:16 pmDo you know how much that is? 215? 205?brownjeans wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:04 pmI hear McChesney now weighs about the same that Queta did at the end of Queta's Freshman year.
Do they still use marcs as a weight?
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Hard to believe Liam ways more than Queta in his freshman year, unless we are talking about his HS freshman year.
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Sacre merde!brownjeans wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 3:40 pmIl pèse 53,004.411869477415827439637383375 Limoges marces.Yossarian wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:30 pmHe's Canadian - can you convert that to kilos (and in French, please)?brownjeans wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:18 pmBetween 215 and 220.slcagg wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:16 pmDo you know how much that is? 215? 205?brownjeans wrote: ↑June 5th, 2020, 1:04 pmI hear McChesney now weighs about the same that Queta did at the end of Queta's Freshman year.
Do they still use marcs as a weight?
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.