aggies22 wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 10:23 pm

nvspuds wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 8:02 pm

Bingo..

Who is Bingo? I can't find anything on the kid?

Real Life Aggie wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 10:06 pm

I am an Aggie Man wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 2:37 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 2:15 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 1:34 pm

I've heard Liam can guard the 3. I also think that Szymon will be too good to redshirt.

I wonder if szymon could be the first big guy off the bench for either the 4 and 5 spot. Then play Anderson at the 4 and the 3 along with Liam. Brock can play some 3 and 2.

Szymon will never play the 4. He's a slow-footed, bulky center who will make his career in the paint. He can't guard the 4 and I have my doubts that he can actually stretch the floor. If he does play, he'll the backup minutes that last year Smith split between the Bean/Anderson frontcourt and either Dorius or Kuba.

I am curious though about Zapala being "too good to sit." My initial feeling was to stash him so he could take over for Queta in the very likely case he leaves for the draft after this year. But if he's a better option than Dorius/Kuba (which isn't a very high bar to get over) then giving him a year of backup minutes is probably better than just sitting him as it would set him up better for replacing Queta and carving out his own legacy.

Well, he's a highly-rated recruit, so he's probably pretty good. And 22 has indicated that Szymon could play at the 4. So... I guess it's 22's word versus a week old account with 5 posts.

I'm sure Coach Smith has plans in place for Szymon to see time even if it isn't backing up Queta, simply because we have 4 Centers right now. I'm not saying a vast majority of the time will see both on the floor, but last year we had lineups where Anderson was our big on the court. Things get shaken up. If there were a highly skilled player with enough stretch to play outside Center so he and Queta could be on the floor at the same time, that's not something to scoff at. Just because it isn't the status quo, doesn't mean it isn't feasible.

aggies22 wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 1:34 pm

I've heard Liam can guard the 3. I also think that Szymon will be too good to redshirt.

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

bwcrc wrote:

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

Based on Coach Smith's results the last two years, I have enough faith that he will make the right decision whether to start Miller or not. Part of this faith is based on the fact that Coach Smith does not seem totally tied to his starters. He did sit Ainge for Porter. Realistically, who would you have started instead of Miller last year? My guess is that most of the options were either not ready to play that many minutes or would have messed up the second unit too much.

AggiePT wrote: ↑

May 26th, 2020, 8:56 am

I gotta say, this conversation has me super excited for Aggie BBall this season. Did we lose one of the best Aggie BBallers of all time? Sure. Are there questions surrounding whether certain players should be starting or get significant minutes? Sure. But we are coming off of Back to Back Championships with returning key players and some of the best recruits we have ever seen! I have never had so much trust in a coach to play the right guys at the right times. Cant wait to see what Coach Smith can do with these guys.

slcagg wrote: ↑

May 26th, 2020, 9:32 am

AggiePT wrote: ↑

May 26th, 2020, 8:56 am

I gotta say, this conversation has me super excited for Aggie BBall this season. Did we lose one of the best Aggie BBallers of all time? Sure. Are there questions surrounding whether certain players should be starting or get significant minutes? Sure. But we are coming off of Back to Back Championships with returning key players and some of the best recruits we have ever seen! I have never had so much trust in a coach to play the right guys at the right times. Cant wait to see what Coach Smith can do with these guys.

Here here. Agreed. Cannot wait. We will miss Sam but excited for this next group.

And well done slb on getting this conversation going. Can we get this one to 1k + posts?

2004AG wrote:

bwcrc wrote:

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

Based on Coach Smith's results the last two years, I have enough faith that he will make the right decision whether to start Miller or not. Part of this faith is based on the fact that Coach Smith does not seem totally tied to his starters. He did sit Ainge for Porter. Realistically, who would you have started instead of Miller last year? My guess is that most of the options were either not ready to play that many minutes or would have messed up the second unit too much.

The bigger concern is that after Miller’s last two seasons which were horrendous, he didn’t replace him with someone better.


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stang wrote: ↑

May 26th, 2020, 1:23 pm

I dare you to say something positive. I don’t know if there is a more consistently negative poster on this board.

stang wrote: ↑

May 26th, 2020, 1:23 pm

2004AG wrote:

bwcrc wrote:

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

Based on Coach Smith's results the last two years, I have enough faith that he will make the right decision whether to start Miller or not. Part of this faith is based on the fact that Coach Smith does not seem totally tied to his starters. He did sit Ainge for Porter. Realistically, who would you have started instead of Miller last year? My guess is that most of the options were either not ready to play that many minutes or would have messed up the second unit too much.

The bigger concern is that after Miller’s last two seasons which were horrendous, he didn’t replace him with someone better.


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I dare you to say something positive. I don’t know if there is a more consistently negative poster on this board.

2004AG wrote: ↑

May 26th, 2020, 3:24 pm

stang wrote: ↑

May 26th, 2020, 1:23 pm

2004AG wrote: The bigger concern is that after Miller’s last two seasons which were horrendous, he didn’t replace him with someone better.

I dare you to say something positive. I don’t know if there is a more consistently negative poster on this board.

Then pay closer attention. I love almost everything about the program, except Miller starting at wing.

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts . I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.

aggieguy13 wrote: ↑

May 26th, 2020, 5:29 pm

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts . I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.

I'll just say that if you're looking for a deeper reason beyond the eye test as to why Miller is getting the amount of playing time he is, you won't find it in the advanced analytics. Apparently they aren't too favorable towards three-point specialists who don't shoot threes well and also don't pass, rebound, or get to the line. Go figure.

I hope he improves, I really do. The framework is there for him to be a solid contributor on a good MWC team. And he will start off the season as the starter. But if he doesn't improve, the season may hinge on whether McChesney can credibly play/defend the 3, because we really don't have many other options for those wing minutes. Anderson never got to play it last year and I wouldn't hold out hope that he will this season. Bairstow is also an option, but his advanced numbers were even worse than Miller's and while I think he'll be much better this season, it's far from a guarantee that he'll be at the level we'll need him to be.

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts . I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑

May 26th, 2020, 9:56 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

Smith had Sam Merrill for the two conference championship seasons like he won't have him next year.

The Chicago Bulls won three NBA titles with Luc Longley starting. Why do you think the Phoenix Suns in 1998-2000 weren't able to win a title with him?

And the Bulls in 1998-99 still had Toni Kukoc who was a starter on their championship team, why do you think they weren't any good?

I am an Aggie Man wrote:

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts . I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.

On the subject of Miller's advanced defensive stats, the ones we have, Defensive Rating, Defensive Win Shares, and Defensive Box Plus/Minus, pretty much paint Brock Miller as the worst defender on the team each of the last two seasons. Though I ought to point out that with Queta, Bean, Brito and Merrill on the team, being one of the best defenders at USU has been a really high bar to reach the last two years. Miller just so happens to be the least capable defender and in quite a few games teams would try to switch their scorers onto Miller to get the best 1v1 matchup.

GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑

May 26th, 2020, 9:56 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

Smith had Sam Merrill for the two conference championship seasons like he won't have him next year.

The Chicago Bulls won three NBA titles with Luc Longley starting. Why do you think the Phoenix Suns in 1998-2000 weren't able to win a title with him?

And the Bulls in 1998-99 still had Toni Kukoc who was a starter on their championship team, why do you think they weren't any good?

lcrasmus wrote: ↑

May 27th, 2020, 12:12 am

I am an Aggie Man wrote:

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts . I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.

On the subject of Miller's advanced defensive stats, the ones we have, Defensive Rating, Defensive Win Shares, and Defensive Box Plus/Minus, pretty much paint Brock Miller as the worst defender on the team each of the last two seasons. Though I ought to point out that with Queta, Bean, Brito and Merrill on the team, being one of the best defenders at USU has been a really high bar to reach the last two years. Miller just so happens to be the least capable defender and in quite a few games teams would try to switch their scorers onto Miller to get the best 1v1 matchup.

Do you happen to have a source on this?


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Real Life Aggie wrote: ↑

May 26th, 2020, 10:42 pm

GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑

May 26th, 2020, 9:56 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

Smith had Sam Merrill for the two conference championship seasons like he won't have him next year.

The Chicago Bulls won three NBA titles with Luc Longley starting. Why do you think the Phoenix Suns in 1998-2000 weren't able to win a title with him?

And the Bulls in 1998-99 still had Toni Kukoc who was a starter on their championship team, why do you think they weren't any good?

Doesn't Delly have a championship ring?

aggieguy13 wrote: ↑

May 27th, 2020, 10:42 am

Real Life Aggie wrote: ↑

May 26th, 2020, 10:42 pm

GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑

May 26th, 2020, 9:56 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

Smith had Sam Merrill for the two conference championship seasons like he won't have him next year.

The Chicago Bulls won three NBA titles with Luc Longley starting. Why do you think the Phoenix Suns in 1998-2000 weren't able to win a title with him?

And the Bulls in 1998-99 still had Toni Kukoc who was a starter on their championship team, why do you think they weren't any good?

Doesn't Delly have a championship ring?

Indeed he does. A wonderful accomplishment, one that I would personally rank as his second greatest achievement ever.

aggieguy13 wrote:

lcrasmus wrote: ↑

May 27th, 2020, 12:12 am

I am an Aggie Man wrote:

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts . I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.

On the subject of Miller's advanced defensive stats, the ones we have, Defensive Rating, Defensive Win Shares, and Defensive Box Plus/Minus, pretty much paint Brock Miller as the worst defender on the team each of the last two seasons. Though I ought to point out that with Queta, Bean, Brito and Merrill on the team, being one of the best defenders at USU has been a really high bar to reach the last two years. Miller just so happens to be the least capable defender and in quite a few games teams would try to switch their scorers onto Miller to get the best 1v1 matchup.

Do you happen to have a source on this?


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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sc ... /2020.html

Numbers seem to check out.

lcrasmus wrote: ↑

May 27th, 2020, 11:44 am

Am I missing something?

lcrasmus wrote: ↑

May 27th, 2020, 11:44 am

aggieguy13 wrote:

lcrasmus wrote: ↑

May 27th, 2020, 12:12 am

I am an Aggie Man wrote:

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts . I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.

On the subject of Miller's advanced defensive stats, the ones we have, Defensive Rating, Defensive Win Shares, and Defensive Box Plus/Minus, pretty much paint Brock Miller as the worst defender on the team each of the last two seasons. Though I ought to point out that with Queta, Bean, Brito and Merrill on the team, being one of the best defenders at USU has been a really high bar to reach the last two years. Miller just so happens to be the least capable defender and in quite a few games teams would try to switch their scorers onto Miller to get the best 1v1 matchup.

Do you happen to have a source on this?


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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sc ... /2020.html

Numbers seem to check out.

So that site has Miller as 16th in the MWC in defensive rating and 18th in MWC in defensive win shares this season. Not sure what that means but comparison, but by definition someone has to be the weakest defender on the team, and our weakest defender seems to be a better defender than ~90% of the MWC.

Am I missing something?


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aggieguy13 wrote: ↑

May 27th, 2020, 2:05 pm

lcrasmus wrote: ↑

May 27th, 2020, 11:44 am

aggieguy13 wrote:

lcrasmus wrote: ↑

May 27th, 2020, 12:12 am

I am an Aggie Man wrote:

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑

May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am

Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.

You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts . I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.

On the subject of Miller's advanced defensive stats, the ones we have, Defensive Rating, Defensive Win Shares, and Defensive Box Plus/Minus, pretty much paint Brock Miller as the worst defender on the team each of the last two seasons. Though I ought to point out that with Queta, Bean, Brito and Merrill on the team, being one of the best defenders at USU has been a really high bar to reach the last two years. Miller just so happens to be the least capable defender and in quite a few games teams would try to switch their scorers onto Miller to get the best 1v1 matchup.

Do you happen to have a source on this?


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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sc ... /2020.html

Numbers seem to check out.

So that site has Miller as 16th in the MWC in defensive rating and 18th in MWC in defensive win shares this season. Not sure what that means but comparison, but by definition someone has to be the weakest defender on the team, and our weakest defender seems to be a better defender than ~90% of the MWC.

Am I missing something?


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And therein lies the issue with defensive analytics: How much of the numbers are based on team defense quality vs. individual defense quality? Do Miller's numbers benefit from having defensive stalwarts around him? If you ship him off to Laramie for a year and play him the same amount of minutes at Wyoming, do his defensive numbers go down because the overall team defense isn't as good? Or do his numbers actually get better because there are weaker defenders around him that opposing offenses would rather target? Who knows? Maybe someone much smarter than me can explain. I don't think the point of this exercise is to imply that his defense is terrible anyway (at least it isn't in my view), rather that if you're looking for a reason beyond the eye test and traditional statistics why he starts and gets major minutes, the advanced defensive metrics don't give you much to work with.