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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by aggies22 » May 25th, 2020, 10:23 pm

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Bingo..
Who is Bingo? I can't find anything on the kid?
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by USU78 » May 25th, 2020, 10:30 pm

aggies22 wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 10:23 pm
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Bingo..
Who is Bingo? I can't find anything on the kid?
Heard he's got a dog. Or something.
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by Yossarian » May 25th, 2020, 10:35 pm

Real Life Aggie wrote:
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I've heard Liam can guard the 3. I also think that Szymon will be too good to redshirt.
I wonder if szymon could be the first big guy off the bench for either the 4 and 5 spot. Then play Anderson at the 4 and the 3 along with Liam. Brock can play some 3 and 2.
Szymon will never play the 4. He's a slow-footed, bulky center who will make his career in the paint. He can't guard the 4 and I have my doubts that he can actually stretch the floor. If he does play, he'll the backup minutes that last year Smith split between the Bean/Anderson frontcourt and either Dorius or Kuba.

I am curious though about Zapala being "too good to sit." My initial feeling was to stash him so he could take over for Queta in the very likely case he leaves for the draft after this year. But if he's a better option than Dorius/Kuba (which isn't a very high bar to get over) then giving him a year of backup minutes is probably better than just sitting him as it would set him up better for replacing Queta and carving out his own legacy.
Well, he's a highly-rated recruit, so he's probably pretty good. And 22 has indicated that Szymon could play at the 4. So... I guess it's 22's word versus a week old account with 5 posts.

I'm sure Coach Smith has plans in place for Szymon to see time even if it isn't backing up Queta, simply because we have 4 Centers right now. I'm not saying a vast majority of the time will see both on the floor, but last year we had lineups where Anderson was our big on the court. Things get shaken up. If there were a highly skilled player with enough stretch to play outside Center so he and Queta could be on the floor at the same time, that's not something to scoff at. Just because it isn't the status quo, doesn't mean it isn't feasible.
If the Rockets could find a way to play Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Olajuwan at the same time,....
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by brownjeans » May 26th, 2020, 12:11 am

My best guess at the 2-deep:

C Queta, Zapala
F Bean, Anderson
G Bairstow, McChesney
G Miller, Shulga
G Anthony, Worster

I have a hard time seeing our returners being replaced by newcomers. Having said that, if some of the returners don't come back showing marked improvement, I'd like to see some of the newcomers overtake them.



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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by slcagg » May 26th, 2020, 6:38 am

aggies22 wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 1:34 pm
I've heard Liam can guard the 3. I also think that Szymon will be too good to redshirt.
That’s good to hear 22. Craig smiths interview last week he stated that Liam isn’t Kevin Durant but his game is similar minus the twitter drama queen (I added the twitter part). Really smooth. Which I’d consider Durant a wing player and a occasional stretch 4 if needed. With liams shooting and our lack of guards/wings it would be nice to see him carve some minutes next year in that role.

Smith also said he is up to 205 lbs.
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by bwcrc » May 26th, 2020, 6:43 am

Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
Based on Coach Smith's results the last two years, I have enough faith that he will make the right decision whether to start Miller or not. Part of this faith is based on the fact that Coach Smith does not seem totally tied to his starters. He did sit Ainge for Porter. Realistically, who would you have started instead of Miller last year? My guess is that most of the options were either not ready to play that many minutes or would have messed up the second unit too much.



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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by 2004AG » May 26th, 2020, 6:52 am

bwcrc wrote:
Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
Based on Coach Smith's results the last two years, I have enough faith that he will make the right decision whether to start Miller or not. Part of this faith is based on the fact that Coach Smith does not seem totally tied to his starters. He did sit Ainge for Porter. Realistically, who would you have started instead of Miller last year? My guess is that most of the options were either not ready to play that many minutes or would have messed up the second unit too much.
The bigger concern is that after Miller’s last two seasons which were horrendous, he didn’t replace him with someone better.


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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by AggiePT » May 26th, 2020, 8:56 am

I gotta say, this conversation has me super excited for Aggie BBall this season. Did we lose one of the best Aggie BBallers of all time? Sure. Are there questions surrounding whether certain players should be starting or get significant minutes? Sure. But we are coming off of Back to Back Championships with returning key players and some of the best recruits we have ever seen! I have never had so much trust in a coach to play the right guys at the right times. Cant wait to see what Coach Smith can do with these guys.
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by slcagg » May 26th, 2020, 9:32 am

AggiePT wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 8:56 am
I gotta say, this conversation has me super excited for Aggie BBall this season. Did we lose one of the best Aggie BBallers of all time? Sure. Are there questions surrounding whether certain players should be starting or get significant minutes? Sure. But we are coming off of Back to Back Championships with returning key players and some of the best recruits we have ever seen! I have never had so much trust in a coach to play the right guys at the right times. Cant wait to see what Coach Smith can do with these guys.
Here here. Agreed. Cannot wait. We will miss Sam but excited for this next group.

And well done slb on getting this conversation going. Can we get this one to 1k + posts? 😁
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by SLB » May 26th, 2020, 9:36 am

slcagg wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 9:32 am
AggiePT wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 8:56 am
I gotta say, this conversation has me super excited for Aggie BBall this season. Did we lose one of the best Aggie BBallers of all time? Sure. Are there questions surrounding whether certain players should be starting or get significant minutes? Sure. But we are coming off of Back to Back Championships with returning key players and some of the best recruits we have ever seen! I have never had so much trust in a coach to play the right guys at the right times. Cant wait to see what Coach Smith can do with these guys.
Here here. Agreed. Cannot wait. We will miss Sam but excited for this next group.

And well done slb on getting this conversation going. Can we get this one to 1k + posts? 😁
No, we shoot for bigger numbers. :joking:
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by Real Life Aggie » May 26th, 2020, 10:33 am

Let Miller take this time to sort out the player he wants to be. We have some more guard options, with a lot of promising talent. I know this has been discussed on the board before, but there's a reason why Coach Smith gave him the go ahead to shoot whenever he had the chance during many games last season. I don't see it, because all I do is rip into his game performance, but I'm positive he has potential. I trust the coaching staff's expertise more than I do my limited viewing of him.

I mean, if he could be a high-percentage 3 pt shot maker, we'd all be happy. Hopefully he comes back next season with monstrous improvement a la Justin Bean.
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by stang » May 26th, 2020, 1:23 pm

2004AG wrote:
bwcrc wrote:
Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
Based on Coach Smith's results the last two years, I have enough faith that he will make the right decision whether to start Miller or not. Part of this faith is based on the fact that Coach Smith does not seem totally tied to his starters. He did sit Ainge for Porter. Realistically, who would you have started instead of Miller last year? My guess is that most of the options were either not ready to play that many minutes or would have messed up the second unit too much.
The bigger concern is that after Miller’s last two seasons which were horrendous, he didn’t replace him with someone better.


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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by nvspuds » May 26th, 2020, 2:08 pm

If any of you are interested..

Barring the unforeseen addition of a grad transfer. I think the Pack will start the season with this lineup

SO. 6'4 Kane Millings PG

JR 6'4 Desmond Cambridge SG/SF

SO 6'9 Zane Meeks. SF/PF

Red Shirt So 6'10 K.J. Hymes. PF

Red Shirt SO 7'0 Warren Washington PF/C

Bench

JR 6'8 Robby Robinson SF/PF

FR 6'3 Je'Lani Clark PG/SG/SF

FR 6'7 Tre' Coleman SG/SF

FR 6'7 De'Andre Henry SF/PF

FR 6'6 Daniel Porter PG/SG/SF

FR 6'4 Alem Husseinovic PG/SG
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by Real Life Aggie » May 26th, 2020, 2:15 pm

That's a young team.



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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by nvspuds » May 26th, 2020, 2:24 pm

Yes it is. However, 6 of them have at least a season of play under their belt. I think Alford will open the season with a starting lineup that might look different by the end of the season. The sophomore jump would really help the Pack.
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by brownjeans » May 26th, 2020, 2:28 pm

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I dare you to say something positive. I don’t know if there is a more consistently negative poster on this board.
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by brownjeans » May 26th, 2020, 2:33 pm

I don't follow other teams as closely as I should, but after reading this (https://mwwire.com/2020/05/22/ten-sit-o ... 20-2021/5/), and doing some research on these guys, I expect Nevada, UNLV, and Boise to be improved next year.
Maybe Colorado State too, but I'm not totally convinced on them yet.



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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by 2004AG » May 26th, 2020, 3:24 pm

stang wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 1:23 pm
2004AG wrote:
bwcrc wrote:
Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
Based on Coach Smith's results the last two years, I have enough faith that he will make the right decision whether to start Miller or not. Part of this faith is based on the fact that Coach Smith does not seem totally tied to his starters. He did sit Ainge for Porter. Realistically, who would you have started instead of Miller last year? My guess is that most of the options were either not ready to play that many minutes or would have messed up the second unit too much.
The bigger concern is that after Miller’s last two seasons which were horrendous, he didn’t replace him with someone better.


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Then pay closer attention. I love almost everything about the program, except Miller starting at wing.



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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by ususports » May 26th, 2020, 4:33 pm

2004AG wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 3:24 pm
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May 26th, 2020, 1:23 pm
2004AG wrote: The bigger concern is that after Miller’s last two seasons which were horrendous, he didn’t replace him with someone better.
I dare you to say something positive. I don’t know if there is a more consistently negative poster on this board.
Then pay closer attention. I love almost everything about the program, except Miller starting at wing.
The irony of accusing someone of being negative with a less than positive post is funny. As for Miller, I think we are all cheering for him to do well, but the reality is that a team only gets points when the ball goes through the hoop. Unfortunately, there are no points awarded for trying hard or wanting to do better, so I think it is fair for people to not be satisfied with Miller's performance. Let's all hope he improves. I am excited for this coming year's team and think they will do well.
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by aggieguy13 » May 26th, 2020, 5:29 pm

Aggie19 wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts 😁. I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.
I'll just say that if you're looking for a deeper reason beyond the eye test as to why Miller is getting the amount of playing time he is, you won't find it in the advanced analytics. Apparently they aren't too favorable towards three-point specialists who don't shoot threes well and also don't pass, rebound, or get to the line. Go figure.

I hope he improves, I really do. The framework is there for him to be a solid contributor on a good MWC team. And he will start off the season as the starter. But if he doesn't improve, the season may hinge on whether McChesney can credibly play/defend the 3, because we really don't have many other options for those wing minutes. Anderson never got to play it last year and I wouldn't hold out hope that he will this season. Bairstow is also an option, but his advanced numbers were even worse than Miller's and while I think he'll be much better this season, it's far from a guarantee that he'll be at the level we'll need him to be.
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by Roy McAvoy » May 26th, 2020, 6:00 pm

aggieguy13 wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 5:29 pm
Aggie19 wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts 😁. I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.
I'll just say that if you're looking for a deeper reason beyond the eye test as to why Miller is getting the amount of playing time he is, you won't find it in the advanced analytics. Apparently they aren't too favorable towards three-point specialists who don't shoot threes well and also don't pass, rebound, or get to the line. Go figure.

I hope he improves, I really do. The framework is there for him to be a solid contributor on a good MWC team. And he will start off the season as the starter. But if he doesn't improve, the season may hinge on whether McChesney can credibly play/defend the 3, because we really don't have many other options for those wing minutes. Anderson never got to play it last year and I wouldn't hold out hope that he will this season. Bairstow is also an option, but his advanced numbers were even worse than Miller's and while I think he'll be much better this season, it's far from a guarantee that he'll be at the level we'll need him to be.
Maybe Brock is like baking soda.

All by itself, it isn’t good. All indications are that it is not good. Yet, it’s a key part of the recipe needed to make it work.



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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by I am an Aggie Man » May 26th, 2020, 7:45 pm

Aggie19 wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts 😁. I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.
On the subject of Miller's advanced defensive stats, the ones we have, Defensive Rating, Defensive Win Shares, and Defensive Box Plus/Minus, pretty much paint Brock Miller as the worst defender on the team each of the last two seasons. Though I ought to point out that with Queta, Bean, Brito and Merrill on the team, being one of the best defenders at USU has been a really high bar to reach the last two years. Miller just so happens to be the least capable defender and in quite a few games teams would try to switch their scorers onto Miller to get the best 1v1 matchup.
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Post by Bank Shot » May 26th, 2020, 7:54 pm

With the length we have across the board, I have a feeling we might be utilizing that 1-3-1 zone even more. Certainly not going away from man to man as the primary, but mixing it in more often and earlier. I thought having Miller at the point on it was effective and disguised his weaknesses at the same time.



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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by GameFAQSAggie » May 26th, 2020, 9:56 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
Smith had Sam Merrill for the two conference championship seasons like he won't have him next year.

The Chicago Bulls won three NBA titles with Luc Longley starting. Why do you think the Phoenix Suns in 1998-2000 weren't able to win a title with him?

And the Bulls in 1998-99 still had Toni Kukoc who was a starter on their championship team, why do you think they weren't any good?



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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by Real Life Aggie » May 26th, 2020, 10:42 pm

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May 26th, 2020, 9:56 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
Smith had Sam Merrill for the two conference championship seasons like he won't have him next year.

The Chicago Bulls won three NBA titles with Luc Longley starting. Why do you think the Phoenix Suns in 1998-2000 weren't able to win a title with him?

And the Bulls in 1998-99 still had Toni Kukoc who was a starter on their championship team, why do you think they weren't any good?
Doesn't Delly have a championship ring?
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Post by lcrasmus » May 27th, 2020, 12:12 am

I am an Aggie Man wrote:
Aggie19 wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts Image. I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.
On the subject of Miller's advanced defensive stats, the ones we have, Defensive Rating, Defensive Win Shares, and Defensive Box Plus/Minus, pretty much paint Brock Miller as the worst defender on the team each of the last two seasons. Though I ought to point out that with Queta, Bean, Brito and Merrill on the team, being one of the best defenders at USU has been a really high bar to reach the last two years. Miller just so happens to be the least capable defender and in quite a few games teams would try to switch their scorers onto Miller to get the best 1v1 matchup.
Do you happen to have a source on this?


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Post by Roy McAvoy » May 27th, 2020, 8:17 am

GameFAQSAggie wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 9:56 pm
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May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
Smith had Sam Merrill for the two conference championship seasons like he won't have him next year.

The Chicago Bulls won three NBA titles with Luc Longley starting. Why do you think the Phoenix Suns in 1998-2000 weren't able to win a title with him?

And the Bulls in 1998-99 still had Toni Kukoc who was a starter on their championship team, why do you think they weren't any good?
So you've clearly stated Luc Longley wasn't good. Why then, was he still starting in 3 separate seasons with the Bulls winning titles?



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Post by aggieguy13 » May 27th, 2020, 10:40 am

lcrasmus wrote:
May 27th, 2020, 12:12 am
I am an Aggie Man wrote:
Aggie19 wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts Image. I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.
On the subject of Miller's advanced defensive stats, the ones we have, Defensive Rating, Defensive Win Shares, and Defensive Box Plus/Minus, pretty much paint Brock Miller as the worst defender on the team each of the last two seasons. Though I ought to point out that with Queta, Bean, Brito and Merrill on the team, being one of the best defenders at USU has been a really high bar to reach the last two years. Miller just so happens to be the least capable defender and in quite a few games teams would try to switch their scorers onto Miller to get the best 1v1 matchup.
Do you happen to have a source on this?


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Numbers seem to check out.
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by aggieguy13 » May 27th, 2020, 10:42 am

Real Life Aggie wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 10:42 pm
GameFAQSAggie wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 9:56 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
Smith had Sam Merrill for the two conference championship seasons like he won't have him next year.

The Chicago Bulls won three NBA titles with Luc Longley starting. Why do you think the Phoenix Suns in 1998-2000 weren't able to win a title with him?

And the Bulls in 1998-99 still had Toni Kukoc who was a starter on their championship team, why do you think they weren't any good?
Doesn't Delly have a championship ring?
Indeed he does. A wonderful accomplishment, one that I would personally rank as his second greatest achievement ever.
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Post by Real Life Aggie » May 27th, 2020, 11:05 am

aggieguy13 wrote:
May 27th, 2020, 10:42 am
Real Life Aggie wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 10:42 pm
GameFAQSAggie wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 9:56 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
Smith had Sam Merrill for the two conference championship seasons like he won't have him next year.

The Chicago Bulls won three NBA titles with Luc Longley starting. Why do you think the Phoenix Suns in 1998-2000 weren't able to win a title with him?

And the Bulls in 1998-99 still had Toni Kukoc who was a starter on their championship team, why do you think they weren't any good?
Doesn't Delly have a championship ring?
Indeed he does. A wonderful accomplishment, one that I would personally rank as his second greatest achievement ever.
How could I have forgotten about this? Best play ever by him.
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by lcrasmus » May 27th, 2020, 11:44 am

aggieguy13 wrote:
lcrasmus wrote:
May 27th, 2020, 12:12 am
I am an Aggie Man wrote:
Aggie19 wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts Image. I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.
On the subject of Miller's advanced defensive stats, the ones we have, Defensive Rating, Defensive Win Shares, and Defensive Box Plus/Minus, pretty much paint Brock Miller as the worst defender on the team each of the last two seasons. Though I ought to point out that with Queta, Bean, Brito and Merrill on the team, being one of the best defenders at USU has been a really high bar to reach the last two years. Miller just so happens to be the least capable defender and in quite a few games teams would try to switch their scorers onto Miller to get the best 1v1 matchup.
Do you happen to have a source on this?


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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sc ... /2020.html

Numbers seem to check out.
So that site has Miller as 16th in the MWC in defensive rating and 18th in MWC in defensive win shares this season. Not sure what that means but comparison, but by definition someone has to be the weakest defender on the team, and our weakest defender seems to be a better defender than ~90% of the MWC.

Am I missing something?


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Post by ususports » May 27th, 2020, 12:07 pm

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Am I missing something?
Yes, you are missing the joy that comes from reliving St. Mary's miracle last second shot to beat BYU several years ago in the post above yours. Great ending!
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Post by aggieguy13 » May 27th, 2020, 2:05 pm

lcrasmus wrote:
May 27th, 2020, 11:44 am
aggieguy13 wrote:
lcrasmus wrote:
May 27th, 2020, 12:12 am
I am an Aggie Man wrote:
Aggie19 wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts Image. I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.
On the subject of Miller's advanced defensive stats, the ones we have, Defensive Rating, Defensive Win Shares, and Defensive Box Plus/Minus, pretty much paint Brock Miller as the worst defender on the team each of the last two seasons. Though I ought to point out that with Queta, Bean, Brito and Merrill on the team, being one of the best defenders at USU has been a really high bar to reach the last two years. Miller just so happens to be the least capable defender and in quite a few games teams would try to switch their scorers onto Miller to get the best 1v1 matchup.
Do you happen to have a source on this?


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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sc ... /2020.html

Numbers seem to check out.
So that site has Miller as 16th in the MWC in defensive rating and 18th in MWC in defensive win shares this season. Not sure what that means but comparison, but by definition someone has to be the weakest defender on the team, and our weakest defender seems to be a better defender than ~90% of the MWC.

Am I missing something?


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And therein lies the issue with defensive analytics: How much of the numbers are based on team defense quality vs. individual defense quality? Do Miller's numbers benefit from having defensive stalwarts around him? If you ship him off to Laramie for a year and play him the same amount of minutes at Wyoming, do his defensive numbers go down because the overall team defense isn't as good? Or do his numbers actually get better because there are weaker defenders around him that opposing offenses would rather target? Who knows? Maybe someone much smarter than me can explain. I don't think the point of this exercise is to imply that his defense is terrible anyway (at least it isn't in my view), rather that if you're looking for a reason beyond the eye test and traditional statistics why he starts and gets major minutes, the advanced defensive metrics don't give you much to work with.
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Re: Depth chart predictions

Post by I am an Aggie Man » May 27th, 2020, 2:50 pm

aggieguy13 wrote:
May 27th, 2020, 2:05 pm
lcrasmus wrote:
May 27th, 2020, 11:44 am
aggieguy13 wrote:
lcrasmus wrote:
May 27th, 2020, 12:12 am
I am an Aggie Man wrote:
Aggie19 wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 12:01 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
May 25th, 2020, 11:25 am
Craig Smith has won two conference championships starting Brock Miller. Those who think he all of a sudden won’t be starting next year are crazy.

There are obviously some things Miller clearly does and brings to the table that Coach Smith values that the average fan doesn’t see or know.
You're right, he probably will start and there are reasons I guess, we're not in practice so we don't see everything outside of the game itself. What we do have are the numbers and for the last 2 years. Miller has had the 2nd lowest FG% on the entire team, both years. A FG% well below the team average both years. He is middle of the road on 3 point shooting % and assists and at the bottom end for rebounds, steals and blocks. He is at the top in 3 point shooting attempts Image. I haven't looked at advanced analytics, so maybe he's a shut down defender and his guy is a non factor because of Brock's defense. That's not what the basic numbers and the eye ball test say though. I get that he can get a hot hand, but it's way too rare that that happens. We need to replace a bunch of scorers from last year, there is potential that his misses could hurt a lot more this year as he tries to fill that need. There is a reason Coach Smith goes to work at a basketball court everyday and I don't, so I'll just keep hoping he gets hot, cheer like hell for him and try to not clench the sphincter so tight everytime he shoots.
On the subject of Miller's advanced defensive stats, the ones we have, Defensive Rating, Defensive Win Shares, and Defensive Box Plus/Minus, pretty much paint Brock Miller as the worst defender on the team each of the last two seasons. Though I ought to point out that with Queta, Bean, Brito and Merrill on the team, being one of the best defenders at USU has been a really high bar to reach the last two years. Miller just so happens to be the least capable defender and in quite a few games teams would try to switch their scorers onto Miller to get the best 1v1 matchup.
Do you happen to have a source on this?


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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sc ... /2020.html

Numbers seem to check out.
So that site has Miller as 16th in the MWC in defensive rating and 18th in MWC in defensive win shares this season. Not sure what that means but comparison, but by definition someone has to be the weakest defender on the team, and our weakest defender seems to be a better defender than ~90% of the MWC.

Am I missing something?


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And therein lies the issue with defensive analytics: How much of the numbers are based on team defense quality vs. individual defense quality? Do Miller's numbers benefit from having defensive stalwarts around him? If you ship him off to Laramie for a year and play him the same amount of minutes at Wyoming, do his defensive numbers go down because the overall team defense isn't as good? Or do his numbers actually get better because there are weaker defenders around him that opposing offenses would rather target? Who knows? Maybe someone much smarter than me can explain. I don't think the point of this exercise is to imply that his defense is terrible anyway (at least it isn't in my view), rather that if you're looking for a reason beyond the eye test and traditional statistics why he starts and gets major minutes, the advanced defensive metrics don't give you much to work with.
Just to provide further explanation, defensive rating and defensive win shares can easily be buffed by playing for a great defensive team that wins a lot of games. Utah State was both of those and I believe that shows in Miller's conference ranking in those stats. Defensive box plus/minus is theoretically less influenced by influences outside a player and in that statistic Miller is middle-of-the-pack in the MW and I think he's just that; middle of the pack or slightly below average.

The fact of the matter is, Miller's career has been underwhelming in just about every way, but he's a starting-caliber small forward in the Mountain West with two full seasons as a starter. I haven't double-checked this, but I believe he's the most experienced player on this team when it comes to games/minutes/starts. There's value in that. And if he can wrangle together even a decent shooting season, he'll add value to the team or at the very least not take any away.



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Post by IBleedAggieBlue » May 27th, 2020, 5:34 pm

I don't think you can redshirt a kid like Zapala. He's going to be vying for some playing time. He can handle and shoot the three.



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