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Post by SLB » January 25th, 2020, 1:36 pm

MWC with recent events makes me wonder are they going to collapse.
Look at these events-
1) Seeing this recent 1.8 million lawsuit with Boise State vs MWC, Boise State looks like they will win. MWC's reaction looks lame.
2) Lack of landing a new TV deal, the whole conference needs a new deal that is better for a long time.
I don't know why the WAC and MWC seemed to be run so poorly, but the AAC seems to have issues too with UConn leaving.
Should we go football independent, ride it out with the MWC, or help with creating a new conference?
BYU, Boise State, and UConn might be ahead of the curve with poorly run conferences.



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Post by GeoAg » January 25th, 2020, 3:41 pm

We just did get a new TV deal with a 300% payout increase.
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Post by SLB » January 25th, 2020, 3:56 pm

GeoAg wrote:
January 25th, 2020, 3:41 pm
We just did get a new TV deal with a 300% payout increase.
I didn't see that. I remember that it was leaked about talks that sounded like it was far from done.



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Post by coolag » January 25th, 2020, 5:04 pm

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Post by Roy McAvoy » January 27th, 2020, 8:45 am

GeoAg wrote:
January 25th, 2020, 3:41 pm
We just did get a new TV deal with a 300% payout increase.
That deal is out the window if Boise bolts.



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Post by ViAggie » January 27th, 2020, 9:48 am

MWC is not going to collapse. Bozo has nowhere to go, even if they could pull off an invite to the AAC, who cares? Their travel budget would be shot to hell.


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Post by 2004AG » January 27th, 2020, 10:09 am

ViAggie wrote:MWC is not going to collapse. Bozo has nowhere to go, even if they could pull off an invite to the AAC, who cares? Their travel budget would be shot to hell.
They wouldn’t take their Olympic sports with them.

They can easily do it.


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Post by pilotaggie » January 27th, 2020, 12:26 pm

2004AG wrote:
January 27th, 2020, 10:09 am
ViAggie wrote:MWC is not going to collapse. Bozo has nowhere to go, even if they could pull off an invite to the AAC, who cares? Their travel budget would be shot to hell.
They wouldn’t take their Olympic sports with them.

They can easily do it.


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Where would they leave their Olympic sports?


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Post by AgSpaceCase » January 27th, 2020, 12:37 pm

pilotaggie wrote:
January 27th, 2020, 12:26 pm
2004AG wrote:
January 27th, 2020, 10:09 am
ViAggie wrote:MWC is not going to collapse. Bozo has nowhere to go, even if they could pull off an invite to the AAC, who cares? Their travel budget would be shot to hell.
They wouldn’t take their Olympic sports with them.

They can easily do it.


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Where would they leave their Olympic sports?
They really don't have many viable options. WCC is a league of only religious schools. Bad fit. Big West is California only, with Hawaii paying travel subs from their pay per view money. Also bad fit. The WAC seems to be the best option and I would seriously laugh if they ended up back there.


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Post by Aggiefan33 » January 27th, 2020, 1:33 pm

I saw a tweet somewhere that Boise has already reached out to the WCC and Big Sky for their Olympic sports.


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Post by ProvoAggie » January 27th, 2020, 1:45 pm

Aggiefan33 wrote:
January 27th, 2020, 1:33 pm
I saw a tweet somewhere that Boise has already reached out to the WCC and Big Sky for their Olympic sports.
I saw the Tweet too...it wasn't really from someone credible and also them reaching out doesn't mean that those conferences are actually interested. There is no chance that the WCC takes Boise. It's all religious schools that care about academics...Boise State doesn't fit that mold and they also don't raise the profile of the league in Basketball. I'm sure the Big Sky would take them in a heartbeat but Boise has spent years trying to prove that they are a level above Idaho and Idaho State...moving to their conference is basically an admission that in most ways you are the same level as them.



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Post by ViAggie » January 28th, 2020, 10:58 am

Bozo can always go crawling back to the WAC :lol:


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Post by slcagg » January 28th, 2020, 11:05 am

Boise going to the wac or big sky would just about make my day in addition to travel all the way across the country for road football games. It would be great.
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Post by Mr. Sneelock » January 29th, 2020, 8:22 am

The MWC would be fine without Boise. The TV payout may be lower, but at least we won't have to pay for the privilege of having Boise Grace is with its presence.


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Post by dyedblue » January 29th, 2020, 8:42 am

What does Boise do for Utah State? Yes, they are a name but how many more season tickets are sold because Boise was on the schedule versus a team like Nevada betting on the schedule in their place?

I like Boise, I like games but I’m not sure they move the needle like they think they can. They will have gotten the bonus money for ten years when it ends. I think that’s plenty. They’ve been given a solid year notice that things will change. Is that not enough?


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Post by USU78 » January 29th, 2020, 8:54 am

Boazy is like that hard-bodied, much younger, revenge spouse. At some point you have to have a serious conversation about important things, and all she wants to talk about is increasing her makeup/travel/lunching out/entertainment/elective surgery $$ allotment. You knew you'd regret the second marriage at some point, but you hoped it wouldn't be for a good 15-20 years down the road, and maybe she'd have grown up by then.

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Post by 2004AG » January 29th, 2020, 11:19 am

Mr. Sneelock wrote:The MWC would be fine without Boise. The TV payout may be lower, but at least we won't have to pay for the privilege of having Boise Grace is with its presence.
There is no “maybe” about it. Utah State will see a significant decrease in tv revenue.

And if by “fine” you mean being a MAC level conference, then yes, I guess the MW will be “fine”.


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Post by oleblu111 » January 29th, 2020, 1:50 pm

2004AG wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 11:19 am
Mr. Sneelock wrote:The MWC would be fine without Boise. The TV payout may be lower, but at least we won't have to pay for the privilege of having Boise Grace is with its presence.
There is no “maybe” about it. Utah State will see a significant decrease in tv revenue.

And if by “fine” you mean being a MAC level conference, then yes, I guess the MW will be “fine”.


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You are right about the loss of revenue if BSU leaves it could be as much as $2 million, which would be the same as what USU fans pay of tickets in a year, it would be a huge loss in revenue.



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Post by Aggie19 » January 29th, 2020, 2:03 pm

The fact that Boise leaving would cause us to lose that much money, should tell you all you need to know about the viability of a conference that pays members disproportionate amounts. It's a BS demand with the sole purpose of keeping them above everyone else in the conference. It's not sustainable for all the other schools in the conference. We might as well be a MAC team if the deck is stacked against us in favor of 1 team.


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Post by GUS » January 29th, 2020, 2:36 pm

Were you guys part of the tv negotiations, or how do you know the amounts that would change without Boise?



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Post by Full » January 29th, 2020, 3:42 pm

oleblu111 wrote:You are right about the loss of revenue if BSU leaves it could be as much as $2 million, which would be the same as what USU fans pay of tickets in a year, it would be a huge loss in revenue.
If the amount is just an annual amount for USU, it would make a $20 million dollar a year decrease for the conference. If Boise can get half that ($10 million a year), they probably should go independent. When they joined Boise brought in $1.8 million plus a slight bump to other members. I don’t know if the bump was related to the Conference Championship game or the Boise’s value as a football program.



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Post by 2004AG » January 29th, 2020, 4:51 pm

GUS wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 2:36 pm
Were you guys part of the tv negotiations, or how do you know the amounts that would change without Boise?
I have no idea the amount it would decrease and never said so. What I do know is Boise carries a lot of weight with TV. There is a reason they haven't had a home game start earlier than 8:00 in something like four years.

Common sense is all you need to see that Utah State will lose significant revenue without Boise State in the conference.

Its amazing how many people want to cut their nose off to spite their face.



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Post by dyedblue » January 29th, 2020, 5:08 pm

So we should let BYU and Boise have their way with us and give them every penny we can? I don’t see Alabama big timing Vanderbilt.


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Post by WAaggieFan » January 29th, 2020, 5:21 pm

But isn’t USU, along with the other members, already losing revenue to BSU?


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Post by oleblu111 » January 29th, 2020, 5:29 pm

dyedblue wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 5:08 pm
So we should let BYU and Boise have their way with us and give them every penny we can? I don’t see Alabama big timing Vanderbilt.


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I do not think we can do much about BYU. The T.V. contract is higher for a lot of reasons one is that the networks were bidding to get BSU football games. They have one network getting the rights to all BSU home games the other gets rights to all away games. So it become clear that the networks place a very high value in being able to cover their games. ESPN lost out in the bidding they had the BSU contract before this contract got done.That also caused the MWC to get more dollars

The re entry membership contract that BSU got calls for the $1.8 million to be paid forever at least as I read it. If USU gives away $2 million per year to BSU then it is time to make a move, then that revenue would equal what the MWC would get without them, until then it could backfire.



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Post by 2004AG » January 29th, 2020, 6:25 pm

dyedblue wrote:So we should let BYU and Boise have their way with us and give them every penny we can? I don’t see Alabama big timing Vanderbilt.


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We should do what is best for Utah State. Millions in additional revenue is IMO, opinion better for Utah State. Having a conference more respected than the MAC is better for Utah State.

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Post by Aggie19 » January 31st, 2020, 1:42 pm

The SEC just paid out their conference members $44.6 million a piece. This is why the Boise thing matters, neither us, nor Boise, is ever going to be on that level. If that's the case, then what we are competing for is a conference championship. I want to do that on equal terms, less money or not.

And regarding the MAC, we just got it handed to us in a bowl game against a 7-6 MAC. You want more respect than them, then win.
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Post by 2004AG » January 31st, 2020, 2:12 pm

Aggie19 wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 1:42 pm
The SEC just paid out their conference members $44.6 million a piece. This is why the Boise thing matters, neither us, nor Boise, is ever going to be on that level. If that's the case, then what we are competing for is a conference championship. I want to do that on equal terms, less money or not.

And regarding the MAC, we just got it handed to us in a bowl game against a 7-6 MAC. You want more respect than them, then win.
So you want less money, but then you also want to beat MAC teams huh? :noidea:



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Post by Aggie19 » January 31st, 2020, 2:37 pm

2004AG wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 2:12 pm
Aggie19 wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 1:42 pm
The SEC just paid out their conference members $44.6 million a piece. This is why the Boise thing matters, neither us, nor Boise, is ever going to be on that level. If that's the case, then what we are competing for is a conference championship. I want to do that on equal terms, less money or not.

And regarding the MAC, we just got it handed to us in a bowl game against a 7-6 MAC. You want more respect than them, then win.
So you want less money, but then you also want to beat MAC teams huh? :noidea:
I think we should be able to beat MAC teams with what we're making right now. And I don't want less money, what I want is for the rest of the conference not to be Boise's b#%$h anymore. If the cost is less money, so be it. If it's them leaving, so be it.

But hey, if everyone is on board to continually get our arses handed to us every year, then ok. One thing to think about, the more money you're getting every year from the new tv deal, doesn't mean much, cuz Boise, they're getting more money too. You didn't gain anything in conference.


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Post by NVAggie » January 31st, 2020, 2:41 pm

There is a reason why the Yankees have won 20+ World Series and the Expos no longer exist. I think equal footing within the conference is the least that can be expected.
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Post by pilotaggie » January 31st, 2020, 3:06 pm

NVAggie wrote:
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There is a reason why the Yankees have won 20+ World Series and the Expos no longer exist. I think equal footing within the conference is the least that can be expected.


The Yankees just have more passion than the Expos :)


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Post by oleblu111 » January 31st, 2020, 5:23 pm

The original contract signed by the MWC and BSU calls for a $1.8 million dollars extra to be paid to BSU, if we do not do that then we are not honoring that agreement .

The need for more revenue does exist because you are not just playing MWC schools we have bowl games with CUSA schools and Mac schools as well as BYU and Washington St. coming up do we really want to leave $2 million off the table when we play theses people ? We also compete with other conferences for coach's etc. are we better off with less money to do that ? The extra $2 million will help all sports not just football.
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Post by GUS » January 31st, 2020, 7:44 pm

oleblu, I don't think you are an attorney, but my legal knowledge is that contracts can't run in to perpetuity. I can be strongly argued that the 1.8 million was for the tv contract that was negotiated when boise came back to the mwc. But, I think boise is arguing for more than that. They do not benefit the conference that much. The conference can build better on level footing.



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Post by 2004AG » January 31st, 2020, 8:39 pm

Aggie19 wrote:
2004AG wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 2:12 pm
Aggie19 wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 1:42 pm
The SEC just paid out their conference members $44.6 million a piece. This is why the Boise thing matters, neither us, nor Boise, is ever going to be on that level. If that's the case, then what we are competing for is a conference championship. I want to do that on equal terms, less money or not.

And regarding the MAC, we just got it handed to us in a bowl game against a 7-6 MAC. You want more respect than them, then win.
So you want less money, but then you also want to beat MAC teams huh? :noidea:
I think we should be able to beat MAC teams with what we're making right now. And I don't want less money, what I want is for the rest of the conference not to be Boise's b#%$h anymore. If the cost is less money, so be it. If it's them leaving, so be it.

But hey, if everyone is on board to continually get our arses handed to us every year, then ok. One thing to think about, the more money you're getting every year from the new tv deal, doesn't mean much, cuz Boise, they're getting more money too. You didn't gain anything in conference.
And yet, as pointed out, we didn’t beat the MAC team. We need all the money we can get.


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Post by 2004AG » January 31st, 2020, 8:40 pm

oleblu111 wrote:The original contract signed by the MWC and BSU calls for a $1.8 million dollars extra to be paid to BSU, if we do not do that then we are not honoring that agreement .

The need for more revenue does exist because you are not just playing MWC schools we have bowl games with CUSA schools and Mac schools as well as BYU and Washington St. coming up do we really want to leave $2 million off the table when we play theses people ? We also compete with other conferences for coach's etc. are we better off with less money to do that ? The extra $2 million will help all sports not just football.
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