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No one cared about this last year and she was on the team that we swept last year. No one here ACTUALLY cares about the competitiveness of the women’s sports, they’re just transphobic and scared of trans people. BSU, SUU, Wyo, and now sadly us are embarrassing ourselves on a national stage because we’re scared to play a girl who has been a girl for YEARS now, even in high school and before. This has nothing to do with the “safety” of the players. It’s all transphobia and makes me ashamed to be a USU alum.
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No one knew last year. Even several SJSU weren't told about it until recently.SaltLakeAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 11:29 amNo one cared about this last year and she was on the team that we swept last year. No one here ACTUALLY cares about the competitiveness of the women’s sports, they’re just transphobic and scared of trans people. BSU, SUU, Wyo, and now sadly us are embarrassing ourselves on a national stage because we’re scared to play a girl who has been a girl for YEARS now, even in high school and before. This has nothing to do with the “safety” of the players. It’s all transphobia and makes me ashamed to be a USU alum.
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Re: VV GAME FORFITS_SJSU TRANS PLAYER
I'm curious: if he's really an XY, womb-possessing woman, why are his teammates joining the chorus of complaining women?
Believe all women ,(just not those women).
Believe all women ,(just not those women).
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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You are making a lot of assumptions. Can you tell me what the definition of a woman is?SaltLakeAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 11:29 amNo one cared about this last year and she was on the team that we swept last year. No one here ACTUALLY cares about the competitiveness of the women’s sports, they’re just transphobic and scared of trans people. BSU, SUU, Wyo, and now sadly us are embarrassing ourselves on a national stage because we’re scared to play a girl who has been a girl for YEARS now, even in high school and before. This has nothing to do with the “safety” of the players. It’s all transphobia and makes me ashamed to be a USU alum.
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It is not fear that motivates the opposition to allowing men to play women's sports (other than the fear that men who are typically larger and stronger are going to cause more frequent and serious injuries to the women they are playing with than would otherwise be the norm. It is not fair to actual women to allow mentally ill men to invade their locker rooms and sports.
I know a couple of transgender people. Their lives have not been better or happier by pretending to be the biological sex they are not, it is has been tragic to see the damage they have done to themselves in a vain quest for something unattainable.
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Yeah, I get the feeling that a lot of people make you feel ashamed to be a lot of things and it works out pretty well for them.SaltLakeAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 11:29 amNo one cared about this last year and she was on the team that we swept last year. No one here ACTUALLY cares about the competitiveness of the women’s sports, they’re just transphobic and scared of trans people. BSU, SUU, Wyo, and now sadly us are embarrassing ourselves on a national stage because we’re scared to play a girl who has been a girl for YEARS now, even in high school and before. This has nothing to do with the “safety” of the players. It’s all transphobia and makes me ashamed to be a USU alum.
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Exactly, proving that it doesn’t matter and it’s all performative this year. And no one really cared last year because it doesn’t matter if she was born a boy and transitioned. She just wants to be treated the same.NowhereLandAggie wrote:No one knew last year. Even several SJSU weren't told about it until recently.SaltLakeAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 11:29 amNo one cared about this last year and she was on the team that we swept last year. No one here ACTUALLY cares about the competitiveness of the women’s sports, they’re just transphobic and scared of trans people. BSU, SUU, Wyo, and now sadly us are embarrassing ourselves on a national stage because we’re scared to play a girl who has been a girl for YEARS now, even in high school and before. This has nothing to do with the “safety” of the players. It’s all transphobia and makes me ashamed to be a USU alum.
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Volleyball is a team sport, and collectively they compensated for that.SaltLakeAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 11:49 amExactly, proving that it doesn’t matter and it’s all performative this year. And no one really cared last year because it doesn’t matter if she was born a boy and transitioned. She just wants to be treated the same.NowhereLandAggie wrote:No one knew last year. Even several SJSU weren't told about it until recently.SaltLakeAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 11:29 amNo one cared about this last year and she was on the team that we swept last year. No one here ACTUALLY cares about the competitiveness of the women’s sports, they’re just transphobic and scared of trans people. BSU, SUU, Wyo, and now sadly us are embarrassing ourselves on a national stage because we’re scared to play a girl who has been a girl for YEARS now, even in high school and before. This has nothing to do with the “safety” of the players. It’s all transphobia and makes me ashamed to be a USU alum.
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I am not going to repeat everything, but simple biology explains the increased muscle mass, which doesn't go away if this surgery is done, that a boy puts on during puberty as they grow is an unfair advantage to girls at birth.
It is an unfair advantage, the NCAA has a big lawsuit over this, and the case of Lia Thomas has pushed this even into team sports.
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What an embarrassment for women to make their own choices. Just shut up and play. Let men into your places or we will call you names!SaltLakeAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 11:29 amNo one cared about this last year and she was on the team that we swept last year. No one here ACTUALLY cares about the competitiveness of the women’s sports, they’re just transphobic and scared of trans people. BSU, SUU, Wyo, and now sadly us are embarrassing ourselves on a national stage because we’re scared to play a girl who has been a girl for YEARS now, even in high school and before. This has nothing to do with the “safety” of the players. It’s all transphobia and makes me ashamed to be a USU alum.
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I am a little surprised Utah State forfeited. I think the battle has been lost in 2024. Just play the game and move on.
Unless our FEMALE players decided not to and then I respect their decision.
I don’t care what men have to say. If men don’t have a say in abortion they don’t have a say on this either.
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Unless our FEMALE players decided not to and then I respect their decision.
I don’t care what men have to say. If men don’t have a say in abortion they don’t have a say on this either.
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I'm hoping that it was the players decision. Whoever made the decision, it is being supported by our Female AD and Female University President.2004AG wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 1:28 pmI am a little surprised Utah State forfeited. I think the battle has been lost in 2024. Just play the game and move on.
Unless our FEMALE players decided not to and then I respect their decision.
I don’t care what men have to say. If men don’t have a say in abortion they don’t have a say on this either.
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And I don’t know either of them but I think it’s pretty safe to say they don’t hate women.ProvoAggie wrote:I'm hoping that it was the players decision. Whoever made the decision, it is being supported by our Female AD and Female University President.2004AG wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 1:28 pmI am a little surprised Utah State forfeited. I think the battle has been lost in 2024. Just play the game and move on.
Unless our FEMALE players decided not to and then I respect their decision.
I don’t care what men have to say. If men don’t have a say in abortion they don’t have a say on this either.
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What is VV?
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San Jose State volleyball kept it a secret about the trans player, and the whole men in women's sports hit a critical point where a trans destroyed a girl's face, teeth, and brain in a high school volleyball game. This is part of why this continuing forfeit move is the right course of action.
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Total bs and actually, legitimately offensive.SaltLakeAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 11:29 amNo one cared about this last year and she was on the team that we swept last year. No one here ACTUALLY cares about the competitiveness of the women’s sports, they’re just transphobic and scared of trans people. BSU, SUU, Wyo, and now sadly us are embarrassing ourselves on a national stage because we’re scared to play a girl who has been a girl for YEARS now, even in high school and before. This has nothing to do with the “safety” of the players. It’s all transphobia and makes me ashamed to be a USU alum.
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You have two posts, have only posted recently, and thus only take an interest in USU athletics when something buzzy hits the news feed. Seriously, not everyone has to love women's sports, but all of the sudden showing up to this forum, to fire away and complain about this singular issue, is insulting to everyone here that cares about Aggie women's sports (and are actively, legitimately trying to build something positive - not just on the computer, but in real life).
Would love to see you at the Bell for soccer or at the Estes for volleyball. Our female athletes are unbelievably amazing!
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I love women’s sports, especially USU women’s sports and have been to Club Estes and the Bell on many occasions. This is why I want our girls to go out there and compete against SJSU! The exact same way they did last year and the year before. I don’t see the benefit of forfeiting for the purpose of ostracizing on individual that just wants to play sports (they’ve been a girl for years now mind you, it’s not a recent change, and if people didn’t know in past years, then why is it any of our business anyway?!). Yes this is the first topic I’ve posted on, but it’s because I’m passionate about trans-rights. I will post on many more topics to uplift USU and the Aggies because that’s what I want and I love my school. But when I see my school act in a bigoted way, I have to speak out. I love the Aggies, just hoped we’d play SJSU and move on.918AGG wrote:Total bs and actually, legitimately offensive.SaltLakeAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 11:29 amNo one cared about this last year and she was on the team that we swept last year. No one here ACTUALLY cares about the competitiveness of the women’s sports, they’re just transphobic and scared of trans people. BSU, SUU, Wyo, and now sadly us are embarrassing ourselves on a national stage because we’re scared to play a girl who has been a girl for YEARS now, even in high school and before. This has nothing to do with the “safety” of the players. It’s all transphobia and makes me ashamed to be a USU alum.
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You have two posts, have only posted recently, and thus only take an interest in USU athletics when something buzzy hits the news feed. Seriously, not everyone has to love women's sports, but all of the sudden showing up to this forum, to fire away and complain about this singular issue, is insulting to everyone here that cares about Aggie women's sports (and are actively, legitimately trying to build something positive - not just on the computer, but in real life).
Would love to see you at the Bell for soccer or at the Estes for volleyball. Our female athletes are unbelievably amazing!
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This is a great take. Unless the USU players themselves said I don’t want to play and I fear for my safety, this is performative and transphobic.2004AG wrote:I am a little surprised Utah State forfeited. I think the battle has been lost in 2024. Just play the game and move on.
Unless our FEMALE players decided not to and then I respect their decision.
I don’t care what men have to say. If men don’t have a say in abortion they don’t have a say on this either.
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Ultimately there is a lot of speculation at this point as most of these forfeits have happened without comment. We don't know what's different this year between the last 2. Maybe the players didn't want to play the last 2 years but felt like they couldn't speak up for themselves without being labeled a bigot. Maybe the players decided to try it a couple of times and then decided they couldn't stay quiet anymore. Maybe they just found out that this player was trans and decided that was enough for them.SaltLakeAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 3:36 pmI love women’s sports, especially USU women’s sports and have been to Club Estes and the Bell on many occasions. This is why I want our girls to go out there and compete against SJSU! The exact same way they did last year and the year before. I don’t see the benefit of forfeiting for the purpose of ostracizing on individual that just wants to play sports (they’ve been a girl for years now mind you, it’s not a recent change, and if people didn’t know in past years, then why is it any of our business anyway?!)
What we do know is that there are a lot of women on a lot of teams including SJSU, Wyoming, Boise State, Utah State, and Southern Utah that are now saying that they aren't okay with this and a bunch of men telling them to quiet down. There have also been players on teams that have played SJSU that have spoken out afterwards about the differences playing against a trans athlete.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what a bunch of fans on a message board think on the topic. We have women that are directly affected by this situation that are speaking up for themselves as they've been encouraged to do for so many years. You can choose whether you want to listen to and believe them or you can choose to silence them.
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You keep saying they have been a girl for years? A. How do you know this? B. At what point are they considered a girl? C. What determines a female or a male athlete?SaltLakeAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 3:36 pmI love women’s sports, especially USU women’s sports and have been to Club Estes and the Bell on many occasions. This is why I want our girls to go out there and compete against SJSU! The exact same way they did last year and the year before. I don’t see the benefit of forfeiting for the purpose of ostracizing on individual that just wants to play sports (they’ve been a girl for years now mind you, it’s not a recent change, and if people didn’t know in past years, then why is it any of our business anyway?!). Yes this is the first topic I’ve posted on, but it’s because I’m passionate about trans-rights. I will post on many more topics to uplift USU and the Aggies because that’s what I want and I love my school. But when I see my school act in a bigoted way, I have to speak out. I love the Aggies, just hoped we’d play SJSU and move on.918AGG wrote:Total bs and actually, legitimately offensive.SaltLakeAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 11:29 amNo one cared about this last year and she was on the team that we swept last year. No one here ACTUALLY cares about the competitiveness of the women’s sports, they’re just transphobic and scared of trans people. BSU, SUU, Wyo, and now sadly us are embarrassing ourselves on a national stage because we’re scared to play a girl who has been a girl for YEARS now, even in high school and before. This has nothing to do with the “safety” of the players. It’s all transphobia and makes me ashamed to be a USU alum.
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You have two posts, have only posted recently, and thus only take an interest in USU athletics when something buzzy hits the news feed. Seriously, not everyone has to love women's sports, but all of the sudden showing up to this forum, to fire away and complain about this singular issue, is insulting to everyone here that cares about Aggie women's sports (and are actively, legitimately trying to build something positive - not just on the computer, but in real life).
Would love to see you at the Bell for soccer or at the Estes for volleyball. Our female athletes are unbelievably amazing!
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I coach high school girls basketball. They're the coolest people I know and I love it. But for anyone that think a man should be on a women's team I challenge you to go watch a girls high school basketball game and when it finishes stay and watch the boys play. It's not even close to being the same sport.
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Someone get this (I can't express myself without swearing) in the sandbox already.
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something which is "FORFIT" so it must be cardiovascular?
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Vuvuzela?
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Clearly Sabau is a raging transphobe. Clearly the team had nothing to say and the admin forced them to lose a gameSaltLakeAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 3:38 pmThis is a great take. Unless the USU players themselves said I don’t want to play and I fear for my safety, this is performative and transphobic.2004AG wrote:I am a little surprised Utah State forfeited. I think the battle has been lost in 2024. Just play the game and move on.
Unless our FEMALE players decided not to and then I respect their decision.
I don’t care what men have to say. If men don’t have a say in abortion they don’t have a say on this either.
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Maybe? I was told by someone who would know that this decision was NOT made by the players at Utah State.ProvoAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 3:47 pmUltimately there is a lot of speculation at this point as most of these forfeits have happened without comment. We don't know what's different this year between the last 2. Maybe the players didn't want to play the last 2 years but felt like they couldn't speak up for themselves without being labeled a bigot. Maybe the players decided to try it a couple of times and then decided they couldn't stay quiet anymore. Maybe they just found out that this player was trans and decided that was enough for them.SaltLakeAggie wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 3:36 pmI love women’s sports, especially USU women’s sports and have been to Club Estes and the Bell on many occasions. This is why I want our girls to go out there and compete against SJSU! The exact same way they did last year and the year before. I don’t see the benefit of forfeiting for the purpose of ostracizing on individual that just wants to play sports (they’ve been a girl for years now mind you, it’s not a recent change, and if people didn’t know in past years, then why is it any of our business anyway?!)
What we do know is that there are a lot of women on a lot of teams including SJSU, Wyoming, Boise State, Utah State, and Southern Utah that are now saying that they aren't okay with this and a bunch of men telling them to quiet down. There have also been players on teams that have played SJSU that have spoken out afterwards about the differences playing against a trans athlete.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what a bunch of fans on a message board think on the topic. We have women that are directly affected by this situation that are speaking up for themselves as they've been encouraged to do for so many years. You can choose whether you want to listen to and believe them or you can choose to silence them.
That's not to say that they wouldn't make it, I don't know how they feel, but they weren't given any say in the matter on this.
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Re: VV GAME FORFITS_SJSU TRANS PLAYER
FERPA is very strict about what kind of personal info about a student that a college can disclose to any third party, even the student's own parents. So if the student doesn't consent to having their gender identity disclosed, the school cannot discuss it period.SLB wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 2:57 pmSan Jose State volleyball kept it a secret about the trans player, and the whole men in women's sports hit a critical point where a trans destroyed a girl's face, teeth, and brain in a high school volleyball game. This is part of why this continuing forfeit move is the right course of action.
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I was told last year (2023) that this player for SJSU was transgender and they showed me the picture of them. This information came from someone with close ties to the volleyball staff. Meaning, at least the staff knew of this player and them being transgender last year. I would assume the players knew as well.SpartanDrew15 wrote:FERPA is very strict about what kind of personal info about a student that a college can disclose to any third party, even the student's own parents. So if the student doesn't consent to having their gender identity disclosed, the school cannot discuss it period.SLB wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 2:57 pmSan Jose State volleyball kept it a secret about the trans player, and the whole men in women's sports hit a critical point where a trans destroyed a girl's face, teeth, and brain in a high school volleyball game. This is part of why this continuing forfeit move is the right course of action.
While I agree with the university/players decision to forfeit and the message, it is interesting that they did not make the same decision last year and still played SJSU.
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It wasn't a presidential election year, for one.jprism wrote: ↑October 14th, 2024, 10:47 amI was told last year (2023) that this player for SJSU was transgender and they showed me the picture of them. This information came from someone with close ties to the volleyball staff. Meaning, at least the staff knew of this player and them being transgender last year. I would assume the players knew as well.SpartanDrew15 wrote:FERPA is very strict about what kind of personal info about a student that a college can disclose to any third party, even the student's own parents. So if the student doesn't consent to having their gender identity disclosed, the school cannot discuss it period.SLB wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 2:57 pmSan Jose State volleyball kept it a secret about the trans player, and the whole men in women's sports hit a critical point where a trans destroyed a girl's face, teeth, and brain in a high school volleyball game. This is part of why this continuing forfeit move is the right course of action.
While I agree with the university/players decision to forfeit and the message, it is interesting that they did not make the same decision last year and still played SJSU.
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Re: VB GAME FORFITS_SJSU TRANS PLAYER
The Joser actual female players hadn't publicly complained about the situation was another.Zaggie07 wrote: ↑October 14th, 2024, 11:21 amIt wasn't a presidential election year, for one.jprism wrote: ↑October 14th, 2024, 10:47 amI was told last year (2023) that this player for SJSU was transgender and they showed me the picture of them. This information came from someone with close ties to the volleyball staff. Meaning, at least the staff knew of this player and them being transgender last year. I would assume the players knew as well.SpartanDrew15 wrote:FERPA is very strict about what kind of personal info about a student that a college can disclose to any third party, even the student's own parents. So if the student doesn't consent to having their gender identity disclosed, the school cannot discuss it period.SLB wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 2:57 pmSan Jose State volleyball kept it a secret about the trans player, and the whole men in women's sports hit a critical point where a trans destroyed a girl's face, teeth, and brain in a high school volleyball game. This is part of why this continuing forfeit move is the right course of action.
While I agree with the university/players decision to forfeit and the message, it is interesting that they did not make the same decision last year and still played SJSU.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Re: VB GAME FORFITS_SJSU TRANS PLAYER
"If she was being abused for so long why didn't she complain earlier"
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Re: VB GAME FORFITS_SJSU TRANS PLAYER
The San Jose State players in the lawsuit said that they were not told that the player is trans. It was 100% a secret.jprism wrote: ↑October 14th, 2024, 10:47 amI was told last year (2023) that this player for SJSU was transgender and they showed me the picture of them. This information came from someone with close ties to the volleyball staff. Meaning, at least the staff knew of this player and them being transgender last year. I would assume the players knew as well.SpartanDrew15 wrote:FERPA is very strict about what kind of personal info about a student that a college can disclose to any third party, even the student's own parents. So if the student doesn't consent to having their gender identity disclosed, the school cannot discuss it period.SLB wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 2:57 pmSan Jose State volleyball kept it a secret about the trans player, and the whole men in women's sports hit a critical point where a trans destroyed a girl's face, teeth, and brain in a high school volleyball game. This is part of why this continuing forfeit move is the right course of action.
While I agree with the university/players decision to forfeit and the message, it is interesting that they did not make the same decision last year and still played SJSU.
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They joined the lawsuit and said that San Jose State kept it secret from them. One of the actual San Jose State female players in the lawsuit had to share a room with the trans without being told that the player was trans.USU78 wrote: ↑October 14th, 2024, 11:26 amThe Joser actual female players hadn't publicly complained about the situation was another.Zaggie07 wrote: ↑October 14th, 2024, 11:21 amIt wasn't a presidential election year, for one.jprism wrote: ↑October 14th, 2024, 10:47 amI was told last year (2023) that this player for SJSU was transgender and they showed me the picture of them. This information came from someone with close ties to the volleyball staff. Meaning, at least the staff knew of this player and them being transgender last year. I would assume the players knew as well.SpartanDrew15 wrote:FERPA is very strict about what kind of personal info about a student that a college can disclose to any third party, even the student's own parents. So if the student doesn't consent to having their gender identity disclosed, the school cannot discuss it period.SLB wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 2:57 pmSan Jose State volleyball kept it a secret about the trans player, and the whole men in women's sports hit a critical point where a trans destroyed a girl's face, teeth, and brain in a high school volleyball game. This is part of why this continuing forfeit move is the right course of action.
While I agree with the university/players decision to forfeit and the message, it is interesting that they did not make the same decision last year and still played SJSU.
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All I’m saying someone in the coaching staff for USU volleyball knew last year. I have no knowledge of the SJSU players or coaching staff, just what was told to me by someone closely connected to a member of the USU staffSLB wrote:The San Jose State players in the lawsuit said that they were not told that the player is trans. It was 100% a secret.jprism wrote: ↑October 14th, 2024, 10:47 amI was told last year (2023) that this player for SJSU was transgender and they showed me the picture of them. This information came from someone with close ties to the volleyball staff. Meaning, at least the staff knew of this player and them being transgender last year. I would assume the players knew as well.SpartanDrew15 wrote:FERPA is very strict about what kind of personal info about a student that a college can disclose to any third party, even the student's own parents. So if the student doesn't consent to having their gender identity disclosed, the school cannot discuss it period.SLB wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2024, 2:57 pmSan Jose State volleyball kept it a secret about the trans player, and the whole men in women's sports hit a critical point where a trans destroyed a girl's face, teeth, and brain in a high school volleyball game. This is part of why this continuing forfeit move is the right course of action.
While I agree with the university/players decision to forfeit and the message, it is interesting that they did not make the same decision last year and still played SJSU.