SJSU VB has won 3 games by forfeit because they have boy who thinks he's a girl/trans on their team.

Boise & Wyo are 2 of the "wins" by sj.

Have we/will we forfeit rather than participate in this nonsense?

I hope so!

Aggieup2 wrote:SJSU VV has won 3 games by forfeit because they have boy who thinks he's a girl/trans on their team.

Boise & Wyo are 2 of the "wins" by sj.

Have we/will we forfeit rather than participate in this nonsense?

I hope so!

I hope we do forfeit, It’s crazy to see such a high number of Aggies saying “f off” to others because we don’t support dudes playing against girls. Cache Valley is such a great place to live, especially for families, because there isn’t that type of thing infecting the valley.


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I hope we don't. 1) it's only an allegation that she's trans and 2) the ncaa allows trans players, so we should follow those guidelines.

Now, if 1) sjsu has a trans player and 2) that player did not disclose that to the ncaa and/or complete the hormone therapy the ncaa requires to be eligible, then SJSU should be forfeiting, not us.

Basically, if the ncaa says she is eligible to play, it isn't the role of a state university to make a political statement about it. Follow the ncaa guidelines. If sjsu lied to the ncaa or didn't know, that's a different issue.

I'd also add that she was on the team last year that went 13-18. I don't think these teams would be forfeiting if sjsu was losing a bunch this season. If being trans is such a competitive advantage you'd think somebody on the opposing teams would have noticed during the last three seasons.


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ProvoAggie wrote:

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 11:41 am

1) it's only an allegation that she's trans

If she wasn't trans then I would think she'd clear the air. The bigger story to me here is that her own teammates have turned on her completely. That's gotta be a pretty toxic locker room. How can you want to play a sport when you have a teammate suing the NCAA to have you removed from the team and other teammates saying that they don't feel safe practicing with you. If she wasn't trans she or her coaches would have said something by now.

I had the same thought that she'd probably come out and clear the air. But again even if she is trans, that's allowed.

I haven't seen anything saying her team turned on her except that one teammate didn't like rooming with her. It'd be weird for them to not feel safe practicing together after two years of no problems.


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QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 12:13 pm

ProvoAggie wrote:

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 11:41 am

1) it's only an allegation that she's trans

If she wasn't trans then I would think she'd clear the air. The bigger story to me here is that her own teammates have turned on her completely. That's gotta be a pretty toxic locker room. How can you want to play a sport when you have a teammate suing the NCAA to have you removed from the team and other teammates saying that they don't feel safe practicing with you. If she wasn't trans she or her coaches would have said something by now.

I had the same thought that she'd probably come out and clear the air. But again even if she is trans, that's allowed.

I haven't seen anything saying her team turned on her except that one teammate didn't like rooming with her. It'd be weird for them to not feel safe practicing together after two years of no problems.


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Sentiment is changing. Last year none of these teams would have forfeited because everyone was afraid of backlash. Now these women are brave and feel supported to stand up for themselves.

We have 3 teams of diverse highly competitive women willing to take a loss to say something, maybe we should listen?

QA AGGIE: Are you serious?

"It's only an allegation that she's trans".

If you don't know the difference between boys girls
then I would suggest that are either too woke
or incredibly naive.

Aggieup2 wrote:QA AGGIE: Are you serious?

"It's only an allegation that she's trans".

If don't the difference between boys & girls,
then I would suggest that are either too woke
or incredibly naive.

So it's obvious you're saying? So obvious it took 3.5 years for opponents to notice? And they only noticed after a teammate told them?

I'd bet you $100,000 that you couldn't pick out trans people from a crowd. I'm not naive. I've just been to Thailand.

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I'm glad the pendulum has swung back to a place where people can express their real feelings about this stuff.

Now, it's not completely verboten to admit that there are, in fact, physical differences between your average biological male and average biological female.

3rdGenAggie wrote:I'm glad the pendulum has swung back to a place where people can express their real feelings about this stuff.

Now, it's not completely verboten to admit that there are, in fact, physical differences between your average biological male and average biological female.

I 100% agree there are diffences. A good high school player would be the best player in the wnba. College men would shatter world records in tons of Olympic events. I'm not arguing there aren't benefits. I even think that after being on hormone therapy there are still lingering benefits. But if the ncaa told sjsu and this trans player that she could play, I think it's dumb to suddenly object after 3.5 years of her playing.


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QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 12:56 pm

Aggieup2 wrote:QA AGGIE: Are you serious?

"It's only an allegation that she's trans".

If don't the difference between boys & girls,
then I would suggest that are either too woke
or incredibly naive.

So it's obvious you're saying? So obvious it took 3.5 years for opponents to notice? And they only noticed after a teammate told them?

I'd bet you $100,000 that you couldn't pick out trans people from a crowd. I'm not naive. I've just been to Thailand.

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I am sure they knew but were afraid to come out about it. This is the same as victims of abuse. The abuse happened years ago, why are they just coming out now? It takes support and a safe environment.

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 1:11 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote:I'm glad the pendulum has swung back to a place where people can express their real feelings about this stuff.

Now, it's not completely verboten to admit that there are, in fact, physical differences between your average biological male and average biological female.

I 100% agree there are diffences. A good high school player would be the best player in the wnba. College men would shatter world records in tons of Olympic events. I'm not arguing there aren't benefits. I even think that after being on hormone therapy there are still lingering benefits. But if the ncaa told sjsu and this trans player that she could play, I think it's dumb to suddenly object after 3.5 years of her playing.


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Yeah, it does look weird, but I think it comes down to them not feeling like they could object. Now, they feel like they can. It maybe just took Boise State being the first to do it.

It'll be interesting to see how other teams handle it going forward.

3rdGenAggie wrote:

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 1:11 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote:I'm glad the pendulum has swung back to a place where people can express their real feelings about this stuff.

Now, it's not completely verboten to admit that there are, in fact, physical differences between your average biological male and average biological female.

I 100% agree there are diffences. A good high school player would be the best player in the wnba. College men would shatter world records in tons of Olympic events. I'm not arguing there aren't benefits. I even think that after being on hormone therapy there are still lingering benefits. But if the ncaa told sjsu and this trans player that she could play, I think it's dumb to suddenly object after 3.5 years of her playing.


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Yeah, it does look weird, but I think it comes down to them not feeling like they could object. Now, they feel like they can. It maybe just took Boise State being the first to do it.

It'll be interesting to see how other teams handle it going forward.

Boise wasn't the first. SUU did it earlier this season. But I'm also not convinced at all that these teams all knew she was trans last year but were so scared of being canceled that they just went ahead and beat sjsu 3-0 anyway.


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Don't know why this needed a second thread, but here we are.

I understand concerns over someone who was born male playing a women's sport, I have a few of my own. I even understand people who want USU to forfeit, though I strongly believe they should play.

What I don't understand is how so many people who have never once paid a shred of attention to USU women's sports or college volleyball are suddenly the most vocal about "protecting the integrity of women's sports". It's easy to tell when someone is actually concerned about the sport vs looking for a platform to openly hate a trans person.

It's possible to voice concern and have a discussion on this matter without being a hateful (I can't express myself without swearing).

I have my own thoughts on what I hope they decide, but ultimately what I want is for:

1. The players to make their own decision on whether or not to play without outside influences, and
2. The University to support them 100% in whatever they decide to do.

I think it'd be admirable for them to take a stand for women's sports by forfeiting if they feel strongly about it, but I also hope that no one looks down on them if they decide to play. Maybe the volleyball players just want to play volleyball and not be a part of a culture war, and that's fine. They'll have my support either way.

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 1:11 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote:I'm glad the pendulum has swung back to a place where people can express their real feelings about this stuff.

Now, it's not completely verboten to admit that there are, in fact, physical differences between your average biological male and average biological female.

I 100% agree there are diffences. A good high school player would be the best player in the wnba. College men would shatter world records in tons of Olympic events. I'm not arguing there aren't benefits. I even think that after being on hormone therapy there are still lingering benefits. But if the ncaa told sjsu and this trans player that she could play, I think it's dumb to suddenly object after 3.5 years of her playing.


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High School men would shatter women's world records. In 2023 there were 76 times a HS boy ran faster than 10.49.

I could have beaten the USU women's mile record, and I was never all-state. Hundreds of HS boys could have.

Men don't hit their peak until around 25-27 years old. These aren't elite runners doing this, and this thing is ending up in court.

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 1:11 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote:I'm glad the pendulum has swung back to a place where people can express their real feelings about this stuff.

Now, it's not completely verboten to admit that there are, in fact, physical differences between your average biological male and average biological female.

I 100% agree there are diffences. A good high school player would be the best player in the wnba. College men would shatter world records in tons of Olympic events. I'm not arguing there aren't benefits. I even think that after being on hormone therapy there are still lingering benefits. But if the ncaa told sjsu and this trans player that she could play, I think it's dumb to suddenly object after 3.5 years of her playing.


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Also, according to reports, no one knew until this past year. The SJSU player, Brooke Slusser, is suing the NCAA over this along with several others because she said she didn't know until recently. She also said the school told them to not disclose this and keep it a secret.

We have at least one trans-woman student athlete at Utah State and I simultaneously pray that she doesn't ever read this message board and pray that she does read this message board so she can see the frothing hatred so called Aggie fans have and she can transfer somewhere that isn't full of prejudiced fans.

It isn’t prejudice to support the biological women in this situation. However, there certainly have been statements that are prejudice on this topic. I hope you can see the difference.

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October 2nd, 2024, 3:23 pm

We have at least one trans-woman student athlete at Utah State and I simultaneously pray that she doesn't ever read this message board and pray that she does read this message board so she can see the frothing hatred so called Aggie fans have and she can transfer somewhere that isn't full of prejudiced fans.

I guess supporting women is frothing hate. 3 diverse women college athletic programs chose to take a L. Do they have rights and support? Or are they frothing with hate and prejudice?

rAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 3:23 pm

We have at least one trans-woman student athlete at Utah State and I simultaneously pray that she doesn't ever read this message board and pray that she does read this message board so she can see the frothing hatred so called Aggie fans have and she can transfer somewhere that isn't full of prejudiced fans.

Like most issues, it isn't black and white, but raging is easier than having the debate. This takes some nuance you don't want to hear.

I can totally see both sides of the debate. Its a cluster (I can't express myself without swearing). I don't know what the solution is. I'm empathetic to both arguments.

rAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 3:23 pm

We have at least one trans-woman student athlete at Utah State and I simultaneously pray that she doesn't ever read this message board and pray that she does read this message board so she can see the frothing hatred so called Aggie fans have and she can transfer somewhere that isn't full of prejudiced fans.

Keep your religion to yourself.

rAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 3:23 pm

We have at least one trans-woman student athlete at Utah State and I simultaneously pray that she doesn't ever read this message board and pray that she does read this message board so she can see the frothing hatred so called Aggie fans have and she can transfer somewhere that isn't full of prejudiced fans.

At least you’ve found prayer….

NowhereLandAggie wrote:

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 1:11 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote:I'm glad the pendulum has swung back to a place where people can express their real feelings about this stuff.

Now, it's not completely verboten to admit that there are, in fact, physical differences between your average biological male and average biological female.

I 100% agree there are diffences. A good high school player would be the best player in the wnba. College men would shatter world records in tons of Olympic events. I'm not arguing there aren't benefits. I even think that after being on hormone therapy there are still lingering benefits. But if the ncaa told sjsu and this trans player that she could play, I think it's dumb to suddenly object after 3.5 years of her playing.


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Also, according to reports, no one knew until this past year. The SJSU player, Brooke Slusser, is suing the NCAA over this along with several others because she said she didn't know until recently. She also said the school told them to not disclose this and keep it a secret.

I'd hope the school would ask to keep it private.

It's just so odd to me that the argument is "this isn't safe for women, she hits 80 mph spikes and girls literally can't get out of the way fast enough" (according to the lawsuit) but at the same time it took 3.5 years for anybody to notice.


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QuackAttackAggie wrote:

NowhereLandAggie wrote:

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 1:11 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote:I'm glad the pendulum has swung back to a place where people can express their real feelings about this stuff.

Now, it's not completely verboten to admit that there are, in fact, physical differences between your average biological male and average biological female.

I 100% agree there are diffences. A good high school player would be the best player in the wnba. College men would shatter world records in tons of Olympic events. I'm not arguing there aren't benefits. I even think that after being on hormone therapy there are still lingering benefits. But if the ncaa told sjsu and this trans player that she could play, I think it's dumb to suddenly object after 3.5 years of her playing.


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Also, according to reports, no one knew until this past year. The SJSU player, Brooke Slusser, is suing the NCAA over this along with several others because she said she didn't know until recently. She also said the school told them to not disclose this and keep it a secret.

I'd hope the school would ask to keep it private.

It's just so odd to me that the argument is "this isn't safe for women, she hits 80 mph spikes and girls literally can't get out of the way fast enough" (according to the lawsuit) but at the same time it took 3.5 years for anybody to notice.


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Maybe biological females are uncomfortable being naked in front of a biological male?

Maybe its not a matter do safety per se but a matter of an unfair advantage in general for a biological male ?

Maybe it was noticed by people 3.5 years ago but nobody dared say anything ?


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Play SJSU. Beat SJSU. Tell him he's a (I can't express myself without swearing)

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October 2nd, 2024, 6:30 pm

Play SJSU. Beat SJSU. Tell him he's a (I can't express myself without swearing)

Oh so we're just going to lean into the whole "being a hateful prick" thing? That's cool too.

The best women are still better at sports than random men off the street. That is well established. However, a random man off the street who's better than most and at the level of collegiate women playing in a collegiate women's game still kills the legitimacy of it. A man identifying as a woman taking women's spots on the team is bad whether he's a star player or the last walk on. We all know there are men out there who would be about last walk on level. Doesn't mean it's just for them to take those spots.

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 6:00 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote:

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 1:11 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote:I'm glad the pendulum has swung back to a place where people can express their real feelings about this stuff.

Now, it's not completely verboten to admit that there are, in fact, physical differences between your average biological male and average biological female.

I 100% agree there are diffences. A good high school player would be the best player in the wnba. College men would shatter world records in tons of Olympic events. I'm not arguing there aren't benefits. I even think that after being on hormone therapy there are still lingering benefits. But if the ncaa told sjsu and this trans player that she could play, I think it's dumb to suddenly object after 3.5 years of her playing.


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Also, according to reports, no one knew until this past year. The SJSU player, Brooke Slusser, is suing the NCAA over this along with several others because she said she didn't know until recently. She also said the school told them to not disclose this and keep it a secret.

I'd hope the school would ask to keep it private.

It's just so odd to me that the argument is "this isn't safe for women, she hits 80 mph spikes and girls literally can't get out of the way fast enough" (according to the lawsuit) but at the same time it took 3.5 years for anybody to notice.


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No, the school told the team to not say anything. Just hide it.

From the article.

https://www.outkick.com/sports/sjsu-vol ... -interview

"And then, it still being a topic we weren't really allowed to talk about. It was just kind of whispers behind closed doors that this is what's happening, but no one's really talked about it or addressed it."

Once Slusser and her teammates became aware of Fleming's biological sex, the SJSU athletic department discouraged them from speaking about the issue publicly. Essentially, the school laid a guilt trip on the volleyball players, suggesting it was their responsibility to protect their male teammate from public scrutiny.

"It was more so the school only supporting Blaire, and they didn't really seem to want to check in on us," Slusser explained. "Basically, 'You shouldn't be the person to identify Blaire's gender identity. That's something that Blaire needs to do, and not you. That's not your story to tell.'

"But we all have a story, too. This isn't just something that Blaire's going through. This is something that I'm going through, too, and my teammates. I have so many emotions and questions, and I don't know how to voice them."

SJSU continued to hide the information, even from student-athletes who joined the team in 2024. Slusser said by the time new recruits found out about their male teammate, it was too late for them to transfer, and they felt they had been misled.

"I feel for those girls so much, because if I had known, it would have been a completely different story for me and where I ended up when I was in my transfer process," Slusser said. "But I couldn't even imagine being a 17-year-old girl so excited to come to college and play D1 volleyball, and then two weeks before you're supposed to get here, you find this out."

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October 2nd, 2024, 1:37 pm

Don't know why this needed a second thread, but here we are.

I understand concerns over someone who was born male playing a women's sport, I have a few of my own. I even understand people who want USU to forfeit, though I strongly believe they should play.

What I don't understand is how so many people who have never once paid a shred of attention to USU women's sports or college volleyball are suddenly the most vocal about "protecting the integrity of women's sports". It's easy to tell when someone is actually concerned about the sport vs looking for a platform to openly hate a trans person.

It's possible to voice concern and have a discussion on this matter without being a hateful (I can't express myself without swearing).

While I don't follow women's sports at USU as closely as men's, I do have 3 daughters, all of whom have played some sort of sport.

The issue of fairness is a real one and hits home when my own girls could potentially be put in these situations. The have played and worked out with boys, and they don't need to be subjected to competition against biological males. It is an issue of fairness in the natural development of a body with the XY chromosome, and girls (or women) at every level should not have to deal with it.

There has been a standing request from SJSU for more security at opposing venues these past two years. This is not a new development. A difficult situation for all sides.

The truth is that it is nonsensical to have women's sports if men are allowed to compete in them. There are inherent differences in biology no matter the amount of medical malpractice that has gone on allowing the mutilation of a trans individuals bodies. It does no favors to either the actual women or the mentally ill individuals that think they are women to allow them to compete in women's sports.

Trans individuals need compassion and love just like any other person, probably even more so than others. Part of loving and caring for someone is telling them the truth, not playing into a lie like that they are or can actually become a woman. It is a denial of objective fact to say that trans women are in fact women, they are not. I hope more teams refuse to play against them if that is what it takes to being an end to this absurdity. Trans individuals should have never been allowed to play in the first place, not because they are trans, but because they are actually men and have no place in women's sports or women's locker rooms or whatever place or group that was created for actual women. It is not because I hate them, it is because it is not right to go along with a falsehood that denies reality and negatively affects actual women and the trans individuals by lying to them and telling them they can be a woman when they cannot. In some very rare circumstances, there are intersex individuals that should be allowed to compete, but that is very different than when you actually are dealing with mentally ill men who think they are women being allowed to compete in women's sports.

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 11:58 am

QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑

October 2nd, 2024, 11:41 am

1) it's only an allegation that she's trans

If she wasn't trans then I would think she'd clear the air. The bigger story to me here is that her own teammates have turned on her completely. That's gotta be a pretty toxic locker room. How can you want to play a sport when you have a teammate suing the NCAA to have you removed from the team and other teammates saying that they don't feel safe practicing with you. If she wasn't trans she or her coaches would have said something by now.

100% agreed, props to the volleyball team for standing up for fair play in woman's sports.