MWC Dissolution being discussed

Post by **GeoAg** » July 25th, 2024, 7:57 pm

https://www.youtube.com/live/eNurkghRHi ... xvT6djRmN-

Go to 38 minutes in. This guy did this ahead of time with USC and UCLA to the Big 10 abd the 4 corners schools to the Big 12, so some if his stuff sticks once in awhile.

papaj · Post by **papaj** » July 25th, 2024, 9:10 pm

GeoAg wrote: ↑
July 25th, 2024, 7:57 pm
https://www.youtube.com/live/eNurkghRHi ... xvT6djRmN-

Go to 38 minutes in. This guy did this ahead of time with USC and UCLA to the Big 10 abd the 4 corners schools to the Big 12, so some if his stuff sticks once in awhile.

I’m amazed you were able to listen to that guy for longer than 10 seconds.

Post by **GeoAg** » July 25th, 2024, 10:33 pm

papaj wrote: ↑
July 25th, 2024, 9:10 pm

GeoAg wrote: ↑
July 25th, 2024, 7:57 pm
https://www.youtube.com/live/eNurkghRHi ... xvT6djRmN-

Go to 38 minutes in. This guy did this ahead of time with USC and UCLA to the Big 10 abd the 4 corners schools to the Big 12, so some if his stuff sticks once in awhile.
I’m amazed you were able to listen to that guy for longer than 10 seconds.

Painful. Someone else told me how far to go. Never would have made it 38 minutes in

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » July 25th, 2024, 11:23 pm

Gotta have 9 votes before it's even considered, right?

Post by **GeoAg** » July 25th, 2024, 11:28 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
July 25th, 2024, 11:23 pm
Gotta have 9 votes before it's even considered, right?

Yes. He says there is momentum to do so, leaving SJSU, UH, and UNM behind to create an 11 team conference abd then use the PAC 12 war chest to lure the best 1 to 3 teams they can get from the AAC. Says it is more cost effective than buying out the top 6 MWC schools, which was the P2s first goal. According to him, we don't make that cut, but we do in the dissolution scenario along with Wyo and Nevada.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » July 26th, 2024, 12:14 am

GeoAg wrote: ↑
July 25th, 2024, 11:28 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
July 25th, 2024, 11:23 pm
Gotta have 9 votes before it's even considered, right?
Yes. He says there is momentum to do so, leaving SJSU, UH, and UNM behind to create an 11 team conference abd then use the PAC 12 war chest to lure the best 1 to 3 teams they can get from the AAC. Says it is more cost effective than buying out the top 6 MWC schools, which was the P2s first goal. According to him, we don't make that cut, but we do in the dissolution scenario along with Wyo and Nevada.

Glass houses. With the turmoil and bad publicity USU is going through with their athletic department, coupled with the small market, I wouldn't bet the house that USU would be part of a new league if this one broke up.

Bullnamed_gus · Post by **Bullnamed_gus** » July 26th, 2024, 6:14 am

Yossarian wrote: ↑
July 26th, 2024, 12:14 am

GeoAg wrote: ↑
July 25th, 2024, 11:28 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
July 25th, 2024, 11:23 pm
Gotta have 9 votes before it's even considered, right?
Yes. He says there is momentum to do so, leaving SJSU, UH, and UNM behind to create an 11 team conference abd then use the PAC 12 war chest to lure the best 1 to 3 teams they can get from the AAC. Says it is more cost effective than buying out the top 6 MWC schools, which was the P2s first goal. According to him, we don't make that cut, but we do in the dissolution scenario along with Wyo and Nevada.
Glass houses. With the turmoil and bad publicity USU is going through with their athletic department, coupled with the small market, I wouldn't bet the house that USU would be part of a new league if this one broke up.

I am still very much in the camp that we are probably a top 6 school for expansion if this scenario were to Happen. We’re in the fastest growing market in the west. With a decade of success in football and basketball and other sports. Boise, Fresno, SDSU, CSU, UNLV and USU. we might not be to average Joe on twitter but to TV deals and other conference mates we are. We are a valuable school in a valuable market. Moreso than New Mexico, or Wyoming.

Regardless, I don’t think the Pac-2 had any intention of taking only 6. Or else they wouldn’t have signed the non-poaching agreement. I think their plan was to hope the ACC crumbled, take in SMU, and Cal/Stanford and then pick up any other scraps left without a seat at the table. They have unreal
Expectations and think They’re above everyone here so it’s their worst case scenario to add anyone from the MWC. Even Boise or SDSU. They’re just trying to
Hold on for dear life and hope the crumbling of the ACC gets them either in a rebuilt PAC 12 or an invite to the Big 12. (Neither of which are happening because no one wants them and the ACC isn’t going away)

bwcrc · Post by **bwcrc** » July 26th, 2024, 6:54 am

OSU and WSU may be talking about it, but I am highly doubtful anyone really listening besides those two school talking to themselves about their latest hairbrained idea. Their sales pitch is not all that strong. "Hey, come join us in a completely new conference except for the name because no one else wanted us when all of our prior conferencemates upped and left. We don't know what kind of TV contract we can get, but you get to spend a lot more money traveling the country for all of your games."

I just don't see at least 9 MWC schools voting to dissolve the conference to go from something extremely stable to the complete unknown.

Full · Post by **Full** » July 26th, 2024, 7:34 am

Oregon State and Washington State see the Mountain West as a last resort. If I were at USU, Nevada, Wyoming, Hawaii, San Jose State, or New Mexico there is now way I would allow the Mountain West to extend their football scheduling agreement based on public statements by Scott Barnes alone. The two teams left behind are interested in rebuilding the PAC-12 before any merger with the MW. The only good news is the penalties are really high for the PAC to poach individual teams from the MW before the July 1, 2026 deadline to get back to 8 teams to remain a conference. There’s no guarantee the PAC isn’t successful, but it will all depend on what the TV executives tell them.

Post by **GeoAg** » July 26th, 2024, 8:08 am

Full wrote: ↑
July 26th, 2024, 7:34 am
Oregon State and Washington State see the Mountain West as a last resort. If I were at USU, Nevada, Wyoming, Hawaii, San Jose State, or New Mexico there is now way I would allow the Mountain West to extend their football scheduling agreement based on public statements by Scott Barnes alone. The two teams left behind are interested in rebuilding the PAC-12 before any merger with the MW. The only good news is the penalties are really high for the PAC to poach individual teams from the MW before the July 1, 2026 deadline to get back to 8 teams to remain a conference. There’s no guarantee the PAC isn’t successful, but it will all depend on what the TV executives tell them.

And what the guy in the video above is saying is they've been told it isn't worth it to poach a smaller portion of the league, which as you said was your first choice

AGGIEinIOWA · Post by **AGGIEinIOWA** » July 26th, 2024, 8:21 am

What I hope happens.
- Beavs/Wazzou lose plenty of games to the MW teams the next couple seasons.
- A MW team makes the CFP.
- The MW continues to put lots of teams into the NCAA men’s basketball tournament and OSU/WSU can’t sniff an invite in the WCC.
- The Mw schools stick together and remain committed to each other.
- They both come crawling to the MW in two years with their tails between their legs begging to join their piers.

TrueAG · Post by **TrueAG** » July 26th, 2024, 8:39 am

By next year no one will remember WSU and OSU were even in the PAC 12. They are irrelevant, they can either join or not but they don't get to dictate terms.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » July 26th, 2024, 12:58 pm

OSU and WSU have proven already that they are not going to be reliable partners, they pretty much start to wet themselves every time they hear that FSU, et al, are planning to leave the ACC because, in their minds, they hope that they will be their replacements if they do leave. Problem for FSU, et al, no one is looking to expand except maybe the Big (we'll take any perceived P4 school) 12 conference, who's obviously not interested in the PAC2 schools. They will jump at any chance they get to leave. MWC schools would be silly to try and form an alliance with them on their terms, because we all know that in the end, they'll screw you over on a moments notice. In fact, if we all agree to a merger, I can guarantee for a fact that they will want the Boise State treatment on steroids, they'll want more money, AND the ability to bounce at a moment's notice w/o any financial penalties. They think they are ultimately going to be re-joining their former school mates one way or another.

Post by **treesap32** » July 26th, 2024, 1:11 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
July 26th, 2024, 12:58 pm
OSU and WSU have proven already that they are not going to be reliable partners, they pretty much start to wet themselves every time they hear that FSU, et al, are planning to leave the ACC because, in their minds, they hope that they will be their replacements if they do leave. Problem for FSU, et al, no one is looking to expand except maybe the Big (we'll take any perceived P4 school) 12 conference, who's obviously not interested in the PAC2 schools. They will jump at any chance they get to leave. MWC schools would be silly to try and form an alliance with them on their terms, because we all know that in the end, they'll screw you over on a moments notice. In fact, if we all agree to a merger, I can guarantee for a fact that they will want the Boise State treatment on steroids, they'll want more money, AND the ability to bounce at a moment's notice w/o any financial penalties. They think they are ultimately going to be re-joining their former school mates one way or another.

They think a lot more of themselves than anyone else does. No reason to move quickly on this. They'll become more and more desperate as time goes on.

Imakeitrain · Post by **Imakeitrain** » July 27th, 2024, 12:07 pm

As SEC shorts said we aren’t the step conference. We are the conference that stepped up

pilotaggie · Post by **pilotaggie** » July 27th, 2024, 6:14 pm

TrueAG wrote:By next year no one will remember WSU and OSU were even in the PAC 12. They are irrelevant, they can either join or not but they don't get to dictate terms.

I can't agree more.

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bwcrc · Post by **bwcrc** » July 28th, 2024, 5:14 pm

The recent increase in media attention about what OSU and WSU will do does make one wonder what is happening behind the scenes. It would not surprise me if talks between the two schools and the MWC have become a bit testier and we are now seeing both sides trying to land some jabs at each other through the media.

Unfortunately for OSU and WSU, they used to be in the super heavyweight class but have drastically fallen to the lightweight class and may soon fall out of that weight class as well. Of course, the two schools were only super heavyweights to begin with because they were wearing golden shoes that they inherited instead of earning. Everyone is now seeing what they truly are since they lost the shoes.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » July 29th, 2024, 4:12 pm

bwcrc wrote: ↑
July 28th, 2024, 5:14 pm
The recent increase in media attention about what OSU and WSU will do does make one wonder what is happening behind the scenes. It would not surprise me if talks between the two schools and the MWC have become a bit testier and we are now seeing both sides trying to land some jabs at each other through the media.

Unfortunately for OSU and WSU, they used to be in the super heavyweight class but have drastically fallen to the lightweight class and may soon fall out of that weight class as well. Of course, the two schools were only super heavyweights to begin with because they were wearing golden shoes that they inherited instead of earning. Everyone is now seeing what they truly are since they lost the shoes.

I think they are not to the acceptance stage of their grief, and they might never really get there. They feel like their stock is high enough to place them above their current alignment in the whole college sports scene, they just know that if they hold out a little longer, Florida State and maybe one or two other ACC schools are going to bail, and then the ACC will be FORCED to take them so they can partner with their old PAC buddies, Stanford and Cal. The problem is that neither of those two schools is tripping over itself to help out the PAC2 left behind. Even Condoleezza Rice said that getting to "those places" (e.g the PAC2 schools) was even more difficult as it will be to play schools back east. YIKES! That's not a ringing endorsement that I'm aware of. The problem that the P2 schools have is the same issue we have, location location location, but in WSU's case, they've got a ding or two more against them that we have. We're way closer to a maj. metropolitan area and international airport than they are. OSU is a wash considering that they are closer to Portland than Eugene is. The two state-schools can't except that they too have been BIG TIMED by their flagship brethren and there is little they can do about it now.

travelingagg · Post by **travelingagg** » August 1st, 2024, 8:59 am

TrueAG wrote: ↑
July 26th, 2024, 8:39 am
By next year no one will remember WSU and OSU were even in the PAC 12. They are irrelevant, they can either join or not but they don't get to dictate terms.

They each have like 6-8 MWC games this year.

TrueAG · Post by **TrueAG** » August 1st, 2024, 9:01 am

travelingagg wrote: ↑
August 1st, 2024, 8:59 am

TrueAG wrote: ↑
July 26th, 2024, 8:39 am
By next year no one will remember WSU and OSU were even in the PAC 12. They are irrelevant, they can either join or not but they don't get to dictate terms.
They each have like 6-8 MWC games this year.

Yup and most of the country will think they've been in the MWC all along.

AggieFan50 · Post by **AggieFan50** » August 1st, 2024, 10:29 am

TrueAG wrote: ↑
July 26th, 2024, 8:39 am
By next year no one will remember WSU and OSU were even in the PAC 12. They are irrelevant, they can either join or not but they don't get to dictate terms.

They're just like all the other teams in the Mountain West.... Trash!

Full · Post by **Full** » August 2nd, 2024, 9:41 am

In the linked article John Canzano throws out a guess what TV execs want from a new conference. he basically says top G5 schools would be better off forming their own conference. He then names Wazzu, Oregon State, San Diego State, Colorado State, Air Force, Army, Navy, Memphis, UTSA, and North Texas as the potential teams. Then adds Boise, Fresno, and UNLV might be considered.

I still believe the penalties Mountain West teams would incur exceed any benefit that setup would offer. I did enjoy that he has North Texas jumping ahead of Boise and Fresno.

Earlier this week I saw MHVER3 and Greg Swaime on X spouting the Big 12 were looking at possibly adding the PAC-2.

Canzano also reports that’s just the hope from the PAC-2 that something will change. It also has a good quote to reflect on. “The Big 12 had to squeeze financially to admit Utah to the conference.”

bwcrc · Post by **bwcrc** » August 2nd, 2024, 2:13 pm

I'm not sure in what universe or alternate dimension UTSA and North Texas are among the best G5 schools to pick up and try to join with. About the only thing you can argue in their favor is location amongst population centers. But just like UNLV and its population, no one there pays any real attention to them.

dogie · Post by **dogie** » August 2nd, 2024, 3:42 pm

Full wrote: ↑
August 2nd, 2024, 9:41 am
In the linked article John Canzano throws out a guess what TV execs want from a new conference. Earlier this week I saw MHVER3 and Greg Swaime on X spouting the Big 12 were looking at possibly adding the PAC-2.

Those guys are two peas in a pod over on X. MHV tweets on Big 12 expansion and Swaime focuses on the ACC (e.g., possible departures to the Big 12).

Both of them post detailed and specific tweets as if they were stenographers in conference or television network executive meetings. They claim to be saying exactly what will happen and to never have been wrong. They take offense at anyone who says otherwise.

The problem is that they change their story literally every time they post. I don’t think they know more than those on this board who follow this topic closely.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » August 2nd, 2024, 5:20 pm

LOL yea the big 12 is going to add the P2 schools they could have had long ago, uh hu, I believe. It. And the P2 is going to get former CUSA darlings UNT and UTSA to join with just a couple of MWC schools, yea yea yea, heard it all before.

WasatchAggie · Post by **WasatchAggie** » August 3rd, 2024, 8:07 pm

The P-2 remainders are Boise and SDSU on steroids. They think they are better than everyone else, by every metric, and will never be stable conference mates until the SEC and B$0 form their super league. Until then, they won't accept reality - which has already hit them between the eyes with a 2x4.

Full · Post by **Full** » August 4th, 2024, 4:17 pm

WasatchAggie wrote: ↑
August 3rd, 2024, 8:07 pm
The P-2 remainders are Boise and SDSU on steroids. They think they are better than everyone else, by every metric, and will never be stable conference mates until the SEC and B$0 form their super league. Until then, they won't accept reality - which has already hit them between the eyes with a 2x4.

I think reality hits when they need to trim their athletic budget by $25 million a year just from the media deal. My guess is the also take a hit in declining ticket sales, although that would depend on how well they perform on the field.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » August 5th, 2024, 6:17 pm

Do you want to read about delusion and not being able to properly come to terms with grief? Well here's the place, and this is the topic (you'll get a kick out these): https://bennyshouse.com/thread/27696/co ... rumors-972

Coloraggie · Post by **Coloraggie** » August 6th, 2024, 9:32 am

ViAggie wrote: ↑
August 5th, 2024, 6:17 pm
Do you want to read about delusion and not being able to properly come to terms with grief? Well here's the place, and this is the topic (you'll get a kick out these): https://bennyshouse.com/thread/27696/co ... rumors-972

I get that they are grasping at straws and that anyone is willing to run with a rumor but there are things I don't understand:

1) Why would any of the teams in the Big12 want OSU/WSU? Seriously, someone give me one good reason other than OSU/WSU is used to hanging on coattails of other schools and they didn't mess it up by continuing to be a punching bag for the league. They don't have brand name, they don't bring big markets, they aren't in the footprint, they are not easy places to travel to. If they are just looking to add schools then there are others with bigger markets, as much recent success, and easier to travel to. If I'm WVU I don't want to fly 3-4 hours across country and then have an hour or more bus ride and/or more connecting flights to get there. I mean I can't even see BYU and Utah wanting them.

2) If the ACC is going to implode why not wait and get those schools that fit all the criteria I mentioned above? It seems more likely that the ACC implodes and the leftovers from the ACC merge with a portion of the BIG12, again leaving OSU/WSU out to dry. Though maybe that is why the BIG12 wants the PAC12 money... invite OSU/WSU, get a load of money, 2 years later drop them.

3) What grounds does OSU/WSU have to sue ESPN? Is the argument going to be that they signed a contract for a 12 team PAC-12 but they should honor it for just OSU/WSU? Good luck with that.

4) Utah to the Big10????? Utah is just a whore at this point if they were to jump ship again. When they get to the 2 superconferences and Utah is left our no one should touch them with a 10 foot pole.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » August 6th, 2024, 10:37 am

Coloraggie wrote: ↑
August 6th, 2024, 9:32 am

ViAggie wrote: ↑
August 5th, 2024, 6:17 pm
Do you want to read about delusion and not being able to properly come to terms with grief? Well here's the place, and this is the topic (you'll get a kick out these): https://bennyshouse.com/thread/27696/co ... rumors-972
I get that they are grasping at straws and that anyone is willing to run with a rumor but there are things I don't understand:

1) Why would any of the teams in the Big12 want OSU/WSU? Seriously, someone give me one good reason other than OSU/WSU is used to hanging on coattails of other schools and they didn't mess it up by continuing to be a punching bag for the league. They don't have brand name, they don't bring big markets, they aren't in the footprint, they are not easy places to travel to. If they are just looking to add schools then there are others with bigger markets, as much recent success, and easier to travel to. If I'm WVU I don't want to fly 3-4 hours across country and then have an hour or more bus ride and/or more connecting flights to get there. I mean I can't even see BYU and Utah wanting them.

2) If the ACC is going to implode why not wait and get those schools that fit all the criteria I mentioned above? It seems more likely that the ACC implodes and the leftovers from the ACC merge with a portion of the BIG12, again leaving OSU/WSU out to dry. Though maybe that is why the BIG12 wants the PAC12 money... invite OSU/WSU, get a load of money, 2 years later drop them.

3) What grounds does OSU/WSU have to sue ESPN? Is the argument going to be that they signed a contract for a 12 team PAC-12 but they should honor it for just OSU/WSU? Good luck with that.

4) Utah to the Big10????? Utah is just a whore at this point if they were to jump ship again. When they get to the 2 superconferences and Utah is left our no one should touch them with a 10 foot pole.

All pipe dreams for sure…. and when I say pipe dream, I mean someone has been hitting that blue stuff too hard

LKGates · Post by **LKGates** » August 6th, 2024, 2:30 pm

Full wrote: ↑
August 4th, 2024, 4:17 pm

WasatchAggie wrote: ↑
August 3rd, 2024, 8:07 pm
The P-2 remainders are Boise and SDSU on steroids. They think they are better than everyone else, by every metric, and will never be stable conference mates until the SEC and B$0 form their super league. Until then, they won't accept reality - which has already hit them between the eyes with a 2x4.
I think reality hits when they need to trim their athletic budget by $25 million a year just from the media deal. My guess is the also take a hit in declining ticket sales, although that would depend on how well they perform on the field.

When the PAC-12 blew up, at first I thought it would be great to have OSU and WSU in the MWC. Hey! Land Grant schools! Close to the conference footprint! Great academics!

Now, I'm not so sure. I think this is spot on, "BSU and SDSU on steroids". At this point, I'd rather NOT have them in the conference. Maybe, in three or four years, if it works out that they have to go independent, or join the Sun Belt, and their attitude has changed...

Full · Post by **Full** » August 15th, 2024, 9:35 am

A key deadline is fast approaching. If the PAC is going to play Mountain West teams in 2025, the agreement may be extended by September 1st. Page 7 of the linked contact. If there isn’t any movement by the deadline, I would assume they are going to try and get the PAC to eight teams by taking two to four MW teams in 2026 and paying the withdrawal fees on page 36 ($20.5 -$43 million) from their war chest and inviting some AAC teams to to get to eight for the 2026 season. They would then invite additional teams for 2027.

Based on the ego of the PAC 2, my guess is they are going to try and get teams on board using their war chest. I think the negotiations for the next media deal will determine if the PAC can pull teams away, but as always everything revolves around money. It should be an interesting 11 months.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » August 15th, 2024, 12:25 pm

Full wrote: ↑
August 15th, 2024, 9:35 am
A key deadline is fast approaching. If the PAC is going to play Mountain West teams in 2025, the agreement may be extended by September 1st. Page 7 of the linked contact. If there isn’t any movement by the deadline, I would assume they are going to try and get the PAC to eight teams by taking two to four MW teams in 2026 and paying the withdrawal fees on page 36 ($20.5 -$43 million) from their war chest and inviting some AAC teams to to get to eight for the 2026 season. They would then invite additional teams for 2027.

Based on the ego of the PAC 2, my guess is they are going to try and get teams on board using their war chest. I think the negotiations for the next media deal will determine if the PAC can pull teams away, but as always everything revolves around money. It should be an interesting 11 months.

It would be extremely stupid of them to do that, and anyone considering joining them would be even more stupid. They have already signaled that they will be unreliable partners to any conference that is not a P4. They will bounce at a moments notice and they would leave this mishmash MWC/AAC Frankenstein with a conference that resembles the old WAC-16. Not worth it.

ag4fr · Post by **ag4fr** » August 15th, 2024, 12:58 pm

Build our Conference from the best programs up, and the middle out.

Try to attract Programs like OSU and WSU for all sports, and programs like Gonzaga/St. Mary's, USF and Santa Clara for non Football programs.

Is this super complicated? I don't think it needs to be.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » August 15th, 2024, 1:27 pm

I hope we don’t renew the contract with them. Let them feel what it’s really like being an independent mid major

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