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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by JonnyCienPesos » November 30th, 2023, 3:43 pm

Notice that he feels entitled to work there because his family donates, not because he provides value or works hard. He’s telling on himself.


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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by aggies22 » November 30th, 2023, 9:52 pm

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I have no context, but on the surface that reads like a classic "Don't you know who I am!" situation. No a great look for Mr. Denniston.
I'm 100% guessing Wade is venting about something he's seen.
Rumor is, he no longer works for USU
I believe that is correct.



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by Bullnamed_gus » November 30th, 2023, 9:59 pm

I have no knowledge of the Wade Denniston situation, but I do feel like there were quite a few “i scratch your back, you scratch mine” stuff in the entire AD. Lots of Nepotism. Lots of who you know, and less of performance. There were athletic scholarships given to those who weren’t good enough athletes but their parents donated a lot of money to the university. Just one of my anecdotal experiences I personally know, but I’m sure there were plenty of others.

It’s probably a good thing Diana is cleaning house. It’s going to be a bumpy ride for a minute. Hopefully the boomers in our fanbase can see the bigger picture
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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by shoresy » November 30th, 2023, 11:13 pm

Looks like Brant Mecham is "moving on" as well.

I think change is generally a good thing, and I'm sure there are a lot of things that need to be cleaned up in the AD. But this is a pretty alarming number of personnel changes in a short time for such a small athletics department, especially just three months in.



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by Intermeddler » November 30th, 2023, 11:34 pm

shoresy wrote:
November 30th, 2023, 11:13 pm
Looks like Brant Mecham is "moving on" as well.

I think change is generally a good thing, and I'm sure there are a lot of things that need to be cleaned up in the AD. But this is a pretty alarming number of personnel changes in a short time for such a small athletics department, especially just three months in.
A couple of additional departures coming soon from what I have heard.
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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by NVAggie » December 1st, 2023, 8:33 am

I think the AD needed a big shake up. I'm not opposed to this as long as Diana is playing the long game.



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by DreadPirateRoberts » December 1st, 2023, 12:33 pm

shoresy wrote:
November 30th, 2023, 11:13 pm
Looks like Brant Mecham is "moving on" as well.

I think change is generally a good thing, and I'm sure there are a lot of things that need to be cleaned up in the AD. But this is a pretty alarming number of personnel changes in a short time for such a small athletics department, especially just three months in.
Brant's decision to move on wasn't motivated by anything other than to do what was best for his family.
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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by sancho839 » December 1st, 2023, 12:40 pm

Lots of people in here saying "I don't know him or his situation, but I bet he's horrible at his job and he deserves this."



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by shoresy » December 1st, 2023, 1:08 pm

sancho839 wrote:
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Lots of people in here saying "I don't know him or his situation, but I bet he's horrible at his job and he deserves this."
Yep. We have some really talented people in our athletics department, who often work for far less money than they're worth. I know a few of those who have been let go pretty closely. There are ways to fix a department other than going scorched earth and firing everyone and making the rest scared for their jobs.

We do need some change, but this much employee turnover is uncommon to say the least.



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by LKGates » December 2nd, 2023, 2:21 pm

Bullnamed_gus wrote:
November 30th, 2023, 9:59 pm
I have no knowledge of the Wade Denniston situation, but I do feel like there were quite a few “i scratch your back, you scratch mine” stuff in the entire AD. Lots of Nepotism. Lots of who you know, and less of performance. There were athletic scholarships given to those who weren’t good enough athletes but their parents donated a lot of money to the university. Just one of my anecdotal experiences I personally know, but I’m sure there were plenty of others.

It’s probably a good thing Diana is cleaning house. It’s going to be a bumpy ride for a minute. Hopefully the boomers in our fanbase can see the bigger picture
The Athletic Department is not unique. Look, I love Utah State, but the entire institution tolerates a lot of nepotism and cronyism. And I'm sure Utah State is not unique in that either. Big institutions, both public and private, tend to get bogged down with bureaucracies and petty corruption. It comes from being made up of people, and as I have said repeatedly, people are no damned good...
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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by shoresy » December 7th, 2023, 10:01 am

Was looking at the AD staff directory, and it looks like Wade is in fact gone.

I've heard some very surprising names of people in the department who are currently job searching.



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by tipitup » December 7th, 2023, 10:19 am

yes wade is gone



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by CacheCow » December 12th, 2023, 8:21 pm

shoresy wrote:
December 7th, 2023, 10:01 am
Was looking at the AD staff directory, and it looks like Wade is in fact gone.

I've heard some very surprising names of people in the department who are currently job searching.
There are a lot of people brushing up on interview skills and updating their resumes right now. From what I’m told, Diana has set out her standards and a lot of people don’t want to live up to them. She is raising the bar and we’re going to see who’s up for the challenge. There will probably be some high turnover and some tough losses but the AD will come out stronger on the other end of it.
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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by shoresy » December 12th, 2023, 8:49 pm

CacheCow wrote:
December 12th, 2023, 8:21 pm
shoresy wrote:
December 7th, 2023, 10:01 am
Was looking at the AD staff directory, and it looks like Wade is in fact gone.

I've heard some very surprising names of people in the department who are currently job searching.
There are a lot of people brushing up on interview skills and updating their resumes right now. From what I’m told, Diana has set out her standards and a lot of people don’t want to live up to them. She is raising the bar and we’re going to see who’s up for the challenge. There will probably be some high turnover and some tough losses but the AD will come out stronger on the other end of it.
Well, that's one way to look at it.

From one of the people I've talked to (who is pretty high up in the AD), there are many in the department who don't believe in her vision and leadership, and who find her unreasonable. This person believes the recent and future turnover is largely due to people getting fed up with an unpleasant work environment.

Not telling you what to think, I certainly believe Mrs. Sabau deserves a chance. I'd just be very careful to write off those leaving the department as not wanting to live up to certain standards or not "being up for the challenge".



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by CacheCow » December 12th, 2023, 9:20 pm

shoresy wrote:
December 12th, 2023, 8:49 pm
CacheCow wrote:
December 12th, 2023, 8:21 pm
shoresy wrote:
December 7th, 2023, 10:01 am
Was looking at the AD staff directory, and it looks like Wade is in fact gone.

I've heard some very surprising names of people in the department who are currently job searching.
There are a lot of people brushing up on interview skills and updating their resumes right now. From what I’m told, Diana has set out her standards and a lot of people don’t want to live up to them. She is raising the bar and we’re going to see who’s up for the challenge. There will probably be some high turnover and some tough losses but the AD will come out stronger on the other end of it.
Well, that's one way to look at it.

From one of the people I've talked to (who is pretty high up in the AD), there are many in the department who don't believe in her vision and leadership, and who find her unreasonable. This person believes the recent and future turnover is largely due to people getting fed up with an unpleasant work environment.

Not telling you what to think, I certainly believe Mrs. Sabau deserves a chance. I'd just be very careful to write off those leaving the department as not wanting to live up to certain standards or not "being up for the challenge".
Maybe. Just telling what my sources have been saying. Different people see the same situation differently. Both of their perspectives can be right to some degree. I do think some change could be good but only time will tell for sure.



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by Bullnamed_gus » December 13th, 2023, 7:14 am

shoresy wrote:
December 12th, 2023, 8:49 pm
CacheCow wrote:
December 12th, 2023, 8:21 pm
shoresy wrote:
December 7th, 2023, 10:01 am
Was looking at the AD staff directory, and it looks like Wade is in fact gone.

I've heard some very surprising names of people in the department who are currently job searching.
There are a lot of people brushing up on interview skills and updating their resumes right now. From what I’m told, Diana has set out her standards and a lot of people don’t want to live up to them. She is raising the bar and we’re going to see who’s up for the challenge. There will probably be some high turnover and some tough losses but the AD will come out stronger on the other end of it.
Well, that's one way to look at it.

From one of the people I've talked to (who is pretty high up in the AD), there are many in the department who don't believe in her vision and leadership, and who find her unreasonable. This person believes the recent and future turnover is largely due to people getting fed up with an unpleasant work environment.

Not telling you what to think, I certainly believe Mrs. Sabau deserves a chance. I'd just be very careful to write off those leaving the department as not wanting to live up to certain standards or not "being up for the challenge".
No, I’ll write it. I don’t care either. If you don’t share the vision of the boss get out of the way and the boss will find someone who does. We’ve had way too much complacency in the Department. A shakeup is exactly what we need. New faces, fresh blood with actual ambition. Not those comfortable cashing their 90k a year salary until they turn 65 and retire.

those in the AD got us “reasonable” Results for the last 5-8 years. No real major capital projects. No real major facility improvements. No real major increase in boosters.

I’m sorry if you work there, but frankly for the on field/success we have had the last 10 years and the size of the school/graduates/alumni base, the donations/booster counts/ etc. are flat out embarrassing. A shakeup is needed.



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by bwcrc » December 13th, 2023, 7:19 am

CacheCow wrote:
December 12th, 2023, 9:20 pm
shoresy wrote:
December 12th, 2023, 8:49 pm
CacheCow wrote:
December 12th, 2023, 8:21 pm
shoresy wrote:
December 7th, 2023, 10:01 am
Was looking at the AD staff directory, and it looks like Wade is in fact gone.

I've heard some very surprising names of people in the department who are currently job searching.
There are a lot of people brushing up on interview skills and updating their resumes right now. From what I’m told, Diana has set out her standards and a lot of people don’t want to live up to them. She is raising the bar and we’re going to see who’s up for the challenge. There will probably be some high turnover and some tough losses but the AD will come out stronger on the other end of it.
Well, that's one way to look at it.

From one of the people I've talked to (who is pretty high up in the AD), there are many in the department who don't believe in her vision and leadership, and who find her unreasonable. This person believes the recent and future turnover is largely due to people getting fed up with an unpleasant work environment.

Not telling you what to think, I certainly believe Mrs. Sabau deserves a chance. I'd just be very careful to write off those leaving the department as not wanting to live up to certain standards or not "being up for the challenge".
Maybe. Just telling what my sources have been saying. Different people see the same situation differently. Both of their perspectives can be right to some degree. I do think some change could be good but only time will tell for sure.
Quite often a new leader who comes in and changes things up is viewed both ways. The holdovers frequently view the new leader as a disrupter and unreasonable whole those who are new see it as a new and better vision.

From an outside perspective, I think there are too many in the AD's office that have been complacent because things were going just fine. And the reality is that they more or less were going just fine. The ROI the AD's office gets is among the highest in the MWC.

However, in today's landscape you have to aim much higher or you get wholly left behind. Many on this board for years have lamented the lack of alumni outreach along the Wasatch Front, the lack of any real signs around the valley when it is a gameday, or even things as simple as dealing with the ticket office for ticket renewals. The successes over the last 10+ years should be easy to build off of to propel the entire athletics department forward, but not much seems to have been done to take advantage of the successes.

Hopefully Sabau's vision and leadership are able to raise the bar and guide USU athletics forward even more. She has the background to understand what it takes to operate at a high level. If that means there is significant turnover in the AD's office to accomplish it, then so be it. At the same time, I hope those who leave, whether voluntarily or not, are able to land on their feet.
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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by JonnyCienPesos » December 13th, 2023, 8:20 am

It sucks when the new boss actually wants you to work. The nerve.


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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by aggies22 » December 13th, 2023, 8:26 am

Somebody here keeps sending screenshots of what I say to the AD and SID office so I'll just stay out of this one.
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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

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aggies22 wrote:
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Somebody here keeps sending screenshots of what I say to the AD and SID office so I'll just stay out of this one.
And I thought I only had to worry about the FBI spying on my Internet presence
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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by Bullnamed_gus » December 13th, 2023, 9:34 am

trevordude wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:30 am
aggies22 wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 8:26 am
Somebody here keeps sending screenshots of what I say to the AD and SID office so I'll just stay out of this one.
And I thought I only had to worry about the FBI spying on my Internet presence
FBI has someone posted in the sandbox
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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by trevordude » December 13th, 2023, 9:37 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:34 am
trevordude wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:30 am
aggies22 wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 8:26 am
Somebody here keeps sending screenshots of what I say to the AD and SID office so I'll just stay out of this one.
And I thought I only had to worry about the FBI spying on my Internet presence
FBI has someone posted in the sandbox
Lol, signalwar is a false flag?
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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by Hoot » December 13th, 2023, 9:44 am

trevordude wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:37 am
Bullnamed_gus wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:34 am
trevordude wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:30 am
aggies22 wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 8:26 am
Somebody here keeps sending screenshots of what I say to the AD and SID office so I'll just stay out of this one.
And I thought I only had to worry about the FBI spying on my Internet presence
FBI has someone posted in the sandbox
Lol, signalwar is a false flag?
Too obvious. It’s gotta be someone you’d never suspect.
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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by shoresy » December 13th, 2023, 9:45 am

JonnyCienPesos wrote:
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It sucks when the new boss actually wants you to work. The nerve.


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This is idiotic.

I know from the outside it's easy to think working in athletics is some cush job because how hard could it be? Get paid 90K a year (according to gus) just to sit around and watch sports and do nothing under the last two AD's. That's the dream!

The reality is that there are a lot of really incredible people in our AD who work 60 hour weeks for 40K. When you're already working your (I can't express myself without swearing) off and a new boss comes in and treats everyone poorly, of course you're going to look for work.

But I guess instead of considering those people and their circumstances, it's much easier to just write them all off as whiny babies who don't want to work hard.



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by shoresy » December 13th, 2023, 9:45 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 7:14 am
shoresy wrote:
December 12th, 2023, 8:49 pm
CacheCow wrote:
December 12th, 2023, 8:21 pm
shoresy wrote:
December 7th, 2023, 10:01 am
Was looking at the AD staff directory, and it looks like Wade is in fact gone.

I've heard some very surprising names of people in the department who are currently job searching.
There are a lot of people brushing up on interview skills and updating their resumes right now. From what I’m told, Diana has set out her standards and a lot of people don’t want to live up to them. She is raising the bar and we’re going to see who’s up for the challenge. There will probably be some high turnover and some tough losses but the AD will come out stronger on the other end of it.
Well, that's one way to look at it.

From one of the people I've talked to (who is pretty high up in the AD), there are many in the department who don't believe in her vision and leadership, and who find her unreasonable. This person believes the recent and future turnover is largely due to people getting fed up with an unpleasant work environment.

Not telling you what to think, I certainly believe Mrs. Sabau deserves a chance. I'd just be very careful to write off those leaving the department as not wanting to live up to certain standards or not "being up for the challenge".
No, I’ll write it. I don’t care either. If you don’t share the vision of the boss get out of the way and the boss will find someone who does. We’ve had way too much complacency in the Department. A shakeup is exactly what we need. New faces, fresh blood with actual ambition. Not those comfortable cashing their 90k a year salary until they turn 65 and retire.

those in the AD got us “reasonable” Results for the last 5-8 years. No real major capital projects. No real major facility improvements. No real major increase in boosters.

I’m sorry if you work there, but frankly for the on field/success we have had the last 10 years and the size of the school/graduates/alumni base, the donations/booster counts/ etc. are flat out embarrassing. A shakeup is needed.
With all due respect, what the hell do you know?



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by NVAggie » December 13th, 2023, 9:46 am

Change can be hard. It isn't always bad however.



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by shoresy » December 13th, 2023, 9:49 am

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Change can be hard. It isn't always bad however.
I hear ya. And I'm honestly not saying that this change is bad. I just think it's wild how many people on here are willing to write current and former AD workers off as lazy bums who just don't want to work, rather than considering that it's possible that someone who is four months into their first athletics director job just *might* not have everything figured out quite yet.



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by shoresy » December 13th, 2023, 9:50 am

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It was described to me this way. The ad office has been run like a "government job" and its being turned into a "private sector job" . So no more drinking coffee and collecting a paycheck, there will be job standards that have to be met.
I can absolutely promise you that even under former leadership there was very little "drinking coffee and collecting a paycheck" and it's pretty disingenuous to say so.



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by Bullnamed_gus » December 13th, 2023, 9:58 am

shoresy wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:50 am
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December 13th, 2023, 9:46 am
It was described to me this way. The ad office has been run like a "government job" and its being turned into a "private sector job" . So no more drinking coffee and collecting a paycheck, there will be job standards that have to be met.
I can absolutely promise you that even under former leadership there was very little "drinking coffee and collecting a paycheck" and it's pretty disingenuous to say so.
Well I think we have a good idea who is sending the screenshots
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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by Donman » December 13th, 2023, 10:02 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:58 am
shoresy wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:50 am
mike1126 wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:46 am
It was described to me this way. The ad office has been run like a "government job" and its being turned into a "private sector job" . So no more drinking coffee and collecting a paycheck, there will be job standards that have to be met.
I can absolutely promise you that even under former leadership there was very little "drinking coffee and collecting a paycheck" and it's pretty disingenuous to say so.
Well I think we have a good idea who is sending the screenshots
What screenshots?



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by shoresy » December 13th, 2023, 10:11 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:58 am
shoresy wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:50 am
mike1126 wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:46 am
It was described to me this way. The ad office has been run like a "government job" and its being turned into a "private sector job" . So no more drinking coffee and collecting a paycheck, there will be job standards that have to be met.
I can absolutely promise you that even under former leadership there was very little "drinking coffee and collecting a paycheck" and it's pretty disingenuous to say so.
Well I think we have a good idea who is sending the screenshots
Lol if you don't think most of the athletics department is reading this site every single day you're delusional
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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by BigBlueDart » December 13th, 2023, 10:19 am

I have zero insight into what things are like at the AD, past or present. But here is a possible perspective. Folks in the AD work hard and love the Aggies, but perhaps many have been too much on the inside, lost some perspective, and have a hard time adapting to and trusting new approaches. Plausible? So, maybe a shakeup can do some good and is necessary, but we don't have people we need to bash on as complacent and lazy?
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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by NVAggie » December 13th, 2023, 10:22 am

shoresy wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 10:11 am
Bullnamed_gus wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:58 am
shoresy wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:50 am
mike1126 wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:46 am
It was described to me this way. The ad office has been run like a "government job" and its being turned into a "private sector job" . So no more drinking coffee and collecting a paycheck, there will be job standards that have to be met.
I can absolutely promise you that even under former leadership there was very little "drinking coffee and collecting a paycheck" and it's pretty disingenuous to say so.
Well I think we have a good idea who is sending the screenshots
Lol if you don't think most of the athletics department is reading this site every single day you're delusional
So you are saying it is about drinking coffee and collecting a paycheck.



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Re: The dilemma of the USU AD

Post by Bullnamed_gus » December 13th, 2023, 10:26 am

shoresy wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 10:11 am
Bullnamed_gus wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:58 am
shoresy wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:50 am
mike1126 wrote:
December 13th, 2023, 9:46 am
It was described to me this way. The ad office has been run like a "government job" and its being turned into a "private sector job" . So no more drinking coffee and collecting a paycheck, there will be job standards that have to be met.
I can absolutely promise you that even under former leadership there was very little "drinking coffee and collecting a paycheck" and it's pretty disingenuous to say so.
Well I think we have a good idea who is sending the screenshots
Lol if you don't think most of the athletics department is reading this site every single day you're delusional
we found Jerry or Jerry’s kid on here



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