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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by EngineeringAggie » November 10th, 2023, 8:12 pm

AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:10 pm
trevordude wrote:Outclassed tonight, but great season
Not sure I’d say outclassed. Maybe outplayed, but YBU and class don’t belong together. That team complains, moans, and whines about everything. First reaction for them is always to put their hands in the air and act like they just got assaulted. I was proud of how the Aggie ladies kept their composure and were good sports.
My wife says that La Roca teaches all of their girls to just fall down as soon as they get touched. It was pretty obvious that their whole team played for La Roca at some point.



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Post by AGGIEinIOWA » November 10th, 2023, 8:49 pm

This was the first full soccer game I’ve watched in a long time. I don’t don’t watch much soccer and only watched tonight because it was my Aggies and it was a meaningful game. I’d like to pose a question. What can be done to make soccer more enjoyable to watch? I played plenty of soccer as a kid and appreciate the skill and endurance it requires, but man is it boring to watch and the outcome is unnecessarily random at times. Here are a few proposals to make the sport more exciting:

1) Smaller field and use less players
2) Allow on-the-fly substitutions like hockey and lacrosse
3) Eliminate offsides. Eliminating the 2 line pass call in hockey helped increase scoring in the NHL.
4) Use 2 balls at once. Would be exciting but make camera man’s job a challenge! lol
5) Add a 2 pt shot (from outside the box). PLL did that for professional lacrosse.

Any other ideas?
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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by Gidbob » November 10th, 2023, 9:43 pm

AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:49 pm
This was the first full soccer game I’ve watched in a long time. I don’t don’t watch much soccer and only watched tonight because it was my Aggies and it was a meaningful game. I’d like to pose a question. What can be done to make soccer more enjoyable to watch? I played plenty of soccer as a kid and appreciate the skill and endurance it requires, but man is it boring to watch and the outcome is unnecessarily random at times. Here are a few proposals to make the sport more exciting:

1) Smaller field and use less players
2) Allow on-the-fly substitutions like hockey and lacrosse
3) Eliminate offsides. Eliminating the 2 line pass call in hockey helped increase scoring in the NHL.
4) Use 2 balls at once. Would be exciting but make camera man’s job a challenge! lol
5) Add a 2 pt shot (from outside the box). PLL did that for professional lacrosse.

Any other ideas?
There's no chance any of these ever get implemented, and idk how to say it nicely, but they're bad ideas. Watching higher levels helps, but honestly the sports we enjoy watching are very much a product of our culture for most of us. People from countries that like soccer (that includes a ton of countries haha) can't stand the commercial breaks in American sports. But implementing these ideas would cause backlash even worse than the super league they tried a couple years ago.
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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by usugoalie13 » November 10th, 2023, 10:18 pm

Gidbob wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 9:43 pm
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:49 pm
This was the first full soccer game I’ve watched in a long time. I don’t don’t watch much soccer and only watched tonight because it was my Aggies and it was a meaningful game. I’d like to pose a question. What can be done to make soccer more enjoyable to watch? I played plenty of soccer as a kid and appreciate the skill and endurance it requires, but man is it boring to watch and the outcome is unnecessarily random at times. Here are a few proposals to make the sport more exciting:

1) Smaller field and use less players
2) Allow on-the-fly substitutions like hockey and lacrosse
3) Eliminate offsides. Eliminating the 2 line pass call in hockey helped increase scoring in the NHL.
4) Use 2 balls at once. Would be exciting but make camera man’s job a challenge! lol
5) Add a 2 pt shot (from outside the box). PLL did that for professional lacrosse.

Any other ideas?
There's no chance any of these ever get implemented, and idk how to say it nicely, but they're bad ideas. Watching higher levels helps, but honestly the sports we enjoy watching are very much a product of our culture for most of us. People from countries that like soccer (that includes a ton of countries haha) can't stand the commercial breaks in American sports. But implementing these ideas would cause backlash even worse than the super league they tried a couple years ago.
I am in favour of 1,2, and 3. But as a hockey player, those just make sense. Two balls might not work the best... that's what she said... but if you can score from car enough out, maybe it should be more points. I find soccer extremely boring as they will be within 50 feet of the net and work it back to their own net. Just run through people. It will probably be a foul on the defense.



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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by EngineeringAggie » November 10th, 2023, 10:25 pm

AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:49 pm
This was the first full soccer game I’ve watched in a long time. I don’t don’t watch much soccer and only watched tonight because it was my Aggies and it was a meaningful game. I’d like to pose a question. What can be done to make soccer more enjoyable to watch? I played plenty of soccer as a kid and appreciate the skill and endurance it requires, but man is it boring to watch and the outcome is unnecessarily random at times. Here are a few proposals to make the sport more exciting:

1) Smaller field and use less players
2) Allow on-the-fly substitutions like hockey and lacrosse
3) Eliminate offsides. Eliminating the 2 line pass call in hockey helped increase scoring in the NHL.
4) Use 2 balls at once. Would be exciting but make camera man’s job a challenge! lol
5) Add a 2 pt shot (from outside the box). PLL did that for professional lacrosse.

Any other ideas?
The goals need to be slightly wider. That’s really all that needs to happen. A game should never end 0-0. If widening the goal ever so slightly makes it so the average game has one more score then it would be worth it.



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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by 000zero000 » November 10th, 2023, 10:31 pm

EngineeringAggie wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:12 pm
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:10 pm
trevordude wrote:Outclassed tonight, but great season
Not sure I’d say outclassed. Maybe outplayed, but YBU and class don’t belong together. That team complains, moans, and whines about everything. First reaction for them is always to put their hands in the air and act like they just got assaulted. I was proud of how the Aggie ladies kept their composure and were good sports.
My wife says that La Roca teaches all of their girls to just fall down as soon as they get touched. It was pretty obvious that their whole team played for La Roca at some point.
Tell me you don't know much about the youth soccer clubs in Utah without telling me you don't know much about the youth soccer clubs in Utah.



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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by EngineeringAggie » November 10th, 2023, 10:46 pm

000zero000 wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 10:31 pm
EngineeringAggie wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:12 pm
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:10 pm
trevordude wrote:Outclassed tonight, but great season
Not sure I’d say outclassed. Maybe outplayed, but YBU and class don’t belong together. That team complains, moans, and whines about everything. First reaction for them is always to put their hands in the air and act like they just got assaulted. I was proud of how the Aggie ladies kept their composure and were good sports.
My wife says that La Roca teaches all of their girls to just fall down as soon as they get touched. It was pretty obvious that their whole team played for La Roca at some point.
Tell me you don't know much about the youth soccer clubs in Utah without telling me you don't know much about the youth soccer clubs in Utah.
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Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by AGGIEinIOWA » November 10th, 2023, 10:47 pm

Gidbob wrote:
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:49 pm
This was the first full soccer game I’ve watched in a long time. I don’t don’t watch much soccer and only watched tonight because it was my Aggies and it was a meaningful game. I’d like to pose a question. What can be done to make soccer more enjoyable to watch? I played plenty of soccer as a kid and appreciate the skill and endurance it requires, but man is it boring to watch and the outcome is unnecessarily random at times. Here are a few proposals to make the sport more exciting:

1) Smaller field and use less players
2) Allow on-the-fly substitutions like hockey and lacrosse
3) Eliminate offsides. Eliminating the 2 line pass call in hockey helped increase scoring in the NHL.
4) Use 2 balls at once. Would be exciting but make camera man’s job a challenge! lol
5) Add a 2 pt shot (from outside the box). PLL did that for professional lacrosse.

Any other ideas?
There's no chance any of these ever get implemented, and idk how to say it nicely, but they're bad ideas. Watching higher levels helps, but honestly the sports we enjoy watching are very much a product of our culture for most of us. People from countries that like soccer (that includes a ton of countries haha) can't stand the commercial breaks in American sports. But implementing these ideas would cause backlash even worse than the super league they tried a couple years ago.
lol, I knew I’d get this response from some traditionalists/purists. I’m sure if I was more of a regular fan I’d appreciate the nuances of the game more. I do think sports should evolve over time and rule changes are part of that. The 3 pt shot and collapsable rims revolutionized basketball. Some of the recent changes MLB has implemented, such as the pitch clock, has been heaven sent for making baseball better for the spectators. Now only if we could get the NFL to adopt some of the CFL rules.
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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by QuackAttackAggie » November 10th, 2023, 10:48 pm

AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
Gidbob wrote:
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:49 pm
This was the first full soccer game I’ve watched in a long time. I don’t don’t watch much soccer and only watched tonight because it was my Aggies and it was a meaningful game. I’d like to pose a question. What can be done to make soccer more enjoyable to watch? I played plenty of soccer as a kid and appreciate the skill and endurance it requires, but man is it boring to watch and the outcome is unnecessarily random at times. Here are a few proposals to make the sport more exciting:

1) Smaller field and use less players
2) Allow on-the-fly substitutions like hockey and lacrosse
3) Eliminate offsides. Eliminating the 2 line pass call in hockey helped increase scoring in the NHL.
4) Use 2 balls at once. Would be exciting but make camera man’s job a challenge! lol
5) Add a 2 pt shot (from outside the box). PLL did that for professional lacrosse.

Any other ideas?
There's no chance any of these ever get implemented, and idk how to say it nicely, but they're bad ideas. Watching higher levels helps, but honestly the sports we enjoy watching are very much a product of our culture for most of us. People from countries that like soccer (that includes a ton of countries haha) can't stand the commercial breaks in American sports. But implementing these ideas would cause backlash even worse than the super league they tried a couple years ago.
lol, I knew I’d get this response from some traditionalists/purists. I’m sure if I was more of a regular fan I’d appreciate the nuances of the game more. I do think sports should evolve over time and rule changes are part of that. The 3 pt shot and collapsable rims revolutionized basketball. Some of the recent changes MLB has implemented, such as the pitch clock, has been heaven sent for making baseball better for the spectators. Now only if we could get the NFL to adopt some of the CFL rules.
Subs are already really liberal in college. You can come back in the game even after getting subbed and there's no limit to how many you get.


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Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by AGGIEinIOWA » November 10th, 2023, 10:56 pm

QuackAttackAggie wrote:
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
Gidbob wrote:
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:49 pm
This was the first full soccer game I’ve watched in a long time. I don’t don’t watch much soccer and only watched tonight because it was my Aggies and it was a meaningful game. I’d like to pose a question. What can be done to make soccer more enjoyable to watch? I played plenty of soccer as a kid and appreciate the skill and endurance it requires, but man is it boring to watch and the outcome is unnecessarily random at times. Here are a few proposals to make the sport more exciting:

1) Smaller field and use less players
2) Allow on-the-fly substitutions like hockey and lacrosse
3) Eliminate offsides. Eliminating the 2 line pass call in hockey helped increase scoring in the NHL.
4) Use 2 balls at once. Would be exciting but make camera man’s job a challenge! lol
5) Add a 2 pt shot (from outside the box). PLL did that for professional lacrosse.

Any other ideas?
There's no chance any of these ever get implemented, and idk how to say it nicely, but they're bad ideas. Watching higher levels helps, but honestly the sports we enjoy watching are very much a product of our culture for most of us. People from countries that like soccer (that includes a ton of countries haha) can't stand the commercial breaks in American sports. But implementing these ideas would cause backlash even worse than the super league they tried a couple years ago.
lol, I knew I’d get this response from some traditionalists/purists. I’m sure if I was more of a regular fan I’d appreciate the nuances of the game more. I do think sports should evolve over time and rule changes are part of that. The 3 pt shot and collapsable rims revolutionized basketball. Some of the recent changes MLB has implemented, such as the pitch clock, has been heaven sent for making baseball better for the spectators. Now only if we could get the NFL to adopt some of the CFL rules.
Subs are already really liberal in college. You can come back in the game even after getting subbed and there's no limit to how many you get.


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They need to go one step further and allow subs on the fly besides being able to sub in and out as often as you like. Look at lacrosse. You can have an offensive midfielder swap out for defensive specialist on the go once your team gets possession. That alone would help drive up the scoring and bring a whole dimension of excitement.
Soccer should also have some sort of competitive faceoff, like the jump ball in hoops, faceoff in hockey, and draw in women’s lacrosse.
I’d be in favor of a penalty box for soccer too. Go man down for a few minutes. Get your power play unit out there.
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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by SeattleAg » November 10th, 2023, 11:16 pm

AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 10:56 pm
QuackAttackAggie wrote:
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
Gidbob wrote:
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:49 pm
This was the first full soccer game I’ve watched in a long time. I don’t don’t watch much soccer and only watched tonight because it was my Aggies and it was a meaningful game. I’d like to pose a question. What can be done to make soccer more enjoyable to watch? I played plenty of soccer as a kid and appreciate the skill and endurance it requires, but man is it boring to watch and the outcome is unnecessarily random at times. Here are a few proposals to make the sport more exciting:

1) Smaller field and use less players
2) Allow on-the-fly substitutions like hockey and lacrosse
3) Eliminate offsides. Eliminating the 2 line pass call in hockey helped increase scoring in the NHL.
4) Use 2 balls at once. Would be exciting but make camera man’s job a challenge! lol
5) Add a 2 pt shot (from outside the box). PLL did that for professional lacrosse.

Any other ideas?
There's no chance any of these ever get implemented, and idk how to say it nicely, but they're bad ideas. Watching higher levels helps, but honestly the sports we enjoy watching are very much a product of our culture for most of us. People from countries that like soccer (that includes a ton of countries haha) can't stand the commercial breaks in American sports. But implementing these ideas would cause backlash even worse than the super league they tried a couple years ago.
lol, I knew I’d get this response from some traditionalists/purists. I’m sure if I was more of a regular fan I’d appreciate the nuances of the game more. I do think sports should evolve over time and rule changes are part of that. The 3 pt shot and collapsable rims revolutionized basketball. Some of the recent changes MLB has implemented, such as the pitch clock, has been heaven sent for making baseball better for the spectators. Now only if we could get the NFL to adopt some of the CFL rules.
Subs are already really liberal in college. You can come back in the game even after getting subbed and there's no limit to how many you get.


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They need to go one step further and allow subs on the fly besides being able to sub in and out as often as you like. Look at lacrosse. You can have an offensive midfielder swap out for defensive specialist on the go once your team gets possession. That alone would help drive up the scoring and bring a whole dimension of excitement.
Soccer should also have some sort of competitive faceoff, like the jump ball in hoops, faceoff in hockey, and draw in women’s lacrosse.
I’d be in favor of a penalty box for soccer too. Go man down for a few minutes. Get your power play unit out there.
Will you all vote me in for commissioner of International soccer? lol
Several of these are basically indoor soccer / futsal. And believe it or not, FIFA has been gradually implementing changes, most recently the loosened substitution restrictions. Soccer faces a lot of issues that other sports do - increasing levels of fitness, strength, and speed throw things out of whack, and the rationalization of the game through analytics homogenizes the game in ways that are mechanical and boring.

That said, high level football is possibly the most amazing sport. I saw it described as the effort to create beauty out of chaos, and the level of chaos in football means the moments of beauty are all the more sublime. (Full disclosure: have played or coached most of my life.)



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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by shoresy » November 11th, 2023, 12:02 am

Sucks to see a great season end like that, especially because we know we can beat them, but BYU is really, really, really good.

Our team is strong and it sounds like most of our impact players are coming back next year, but I wouldn’t hate looking at the portal for a good attacker or two. Though this staff doesn’t tend to utilize the portal much.



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Post by LarryTheAggie » November 11th, 2023, 6:54 am

shoresy wrote:
November 11th, 2023, 12:02 am
Sucks to see a great season end like that, especially because we know we can beat them, but BYU is really, really, really good.

Our team is strong and it sounds like most of our impact players are coming back next year, but I wouldn’t hate looking at the portal for a good attacker or two. Though this staff doesn’t tend to utilize the portal much.
I am just hoping to keep the staff here. It seems Sabau's first real challenge will be keeping
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Post by shoresy » November 11th, 2023, 9:29 am

I believe we will for at least one more year. Next year’s team should be even better than this one as they’re not losing a ton. Long term I’m not sure, but I think Manny will be back next year.



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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by StanfordAggie » November 11th, 2023, 11:01 pm

QuackAttackAggie wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 10:48 pm
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
Gidbob wrote:
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:49 pm
This was the first full soccer game I’ve watched in a long time. I don’t don’t watch much soccer and only watched tonight because it was my Aggies and it was a meaningful game. I’d like to pose a question. What can be done to make soccer more enjoyable to watch? I played plenty of soccer as a kid and appreciate the skill and endurance it requires, but man is it boring to watch and the outcome is unnecessarily random at times. Here are a few proposals to make the sport more exciting:

1) Smaller field and use less players
2) Allow on-the-fly substitutions like hockey and lacrosse
3) Eliminate offsides. Eliminating the 2 line pass call in hockey helped increase scoring in the NHL.
4) Use 2 balls at once. Would be exciting but make camera man’s job a challenge! lol
5) Add a 2 pt shot (from outside the box). PLL did that for professional lacrosse.

Any other ideas?
There's no chance any of these ever get implemented, and idk how to say it nicely, but they're bad ideas. Watching higher levels helps, but honestly the sports we enjoy watching are very much a product of our culture for most of us. People from countries that like soccer (that includes a ton of countries haha) can't stand the commercial breaks in American sports. But implementing these ideas would cause backlash even worse than the super league they tried a couple years ago.
lol, I knew I’d get this response from some traditionalists/purists. I’m sure if I was more of a regular fan I’d appreciate the nuances of the game more. I do think sports should evolve over time and rule changes are part of that. The 3 pt shot and collapsable rims revolutionized basketball. Some of the recent changes MLB has implemented, such as the pitch clock, has been heaven sent for making baseball better for the spectators. Now only if we could get the NFL to adopt some of the CFL rules.
Subs are already really liberal in college. You can come back in the game even after getting subbed and there's no limit to how many you get.


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I believe the rule in NCAA soccer is that you can leave the bench to come onto the field once per half. In other words, if you start the half on the bench and come into the game and get subbed out, they can't sub you back in until the next half. And if you are a starter for the half, they can sub you out and then sub you back in once, but only once. So it's not quite unlimited substitutions, but pretty close.

Honestly, I kind of do like the idea of liberalizing the substitution rules. You can basically do hockey-style substitutions in NCAA where you field an entirely different team, and I think that makes the game more interesting. The problem is that this gives an enormous advantage to teams with a deeper bench. Analytics types say that coaches in top leagues/international soccer should be using all five substitutions every game and using them much earlier in the game than they do. The advantage of fresh legs is not obvious to observers (even coaches and players), but it is very apparent to advanced analytics. In a sport where the wealthy club teams win all the titles and where the wealthier and more populous countries almost always win international competitions, I'm hesitant to implement changes that give wealthier teams another advantage. But I still feel like they could increase the number of substitutions without ruining the game. After all, it seems to work in NCAA soccer.

One reform that I really wish they would implement is eliminating penalty shootouts and using some form of lacrosse overtime rules: Every 10 minutes of overtime, both sides have to send two players off the field (or something like that). The idea is that once there are sufficiently few players on the field, somebody is going to score. Not only would it eliminate the random often unfair penalty shootouts, but it would encourage fair play. An 11-to-10 advantage after losing a player is tough but can be overcome. But a 5-to-4 advantage would be almost insurmountable. Plus it would be a ton of fun to watch.



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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by QuackAttackAggie » November 11th, 2023, 11:04 pm

StanfordAggie wrote:
QuackAttackAggie wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 10:48 pm
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
Gidbob wrote:
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:49 pm
This was the first full soccer game I’ve watched in a long time. I don’t don’t watch much soccer and only watched tonight because it was my Aggies and it was a meaningful game. I’d like to pose a question. What can be done to make soccer more enjoyable to watch? I played plenty of soccer as a kid and appreciate the skill and endurance it requires, but man is it boring to watch and the outcome is unnecessarily random at times. Here are a few proposals to make the sport more exciting:

1) Smaller field and use less players
2) Allow on-the-fly substitutions like hockey and lacrosse
3) Eliminate offsides. Eliminating the 2 line pass call in hockey helped increase scoring in the NHL.
4) Use 2 balls at once. Would be exciting but make camera man’s job a challenge! lol
5) Add a 2 pt shot (from outside the box). PLL did that for professional lacrosse.

Any other ideas?
There's no chance any of these ever get implemented, and idk how to say it nicely, but they're bad ideas. Watching higher levels helps, but honestly the sports we enjoy watching are very much a product of our culture for most of us. People from countries that like soccer (that includes a ton of countries haha) can't stand the commercial breaks in American sports. But implementing these ideas would cause backlash even worse than the super league they tried a couple years ago.
lol, I knew I’d get this response from some traditionalists/purists. I’m sure if I was more of a regular fan I’d appreciate the nuances of the game more. I do think sports should evolve over time and rule changes are part of that. The 3 pt shot and collapsable rims revolutionized basketball. Some of the recent changes MLB has implemented, such as the pitch clock, has been heaven sent for making baseball better for the spectators. Now only if we could get the NFL to adopt some of the CFL rules.
Subs are already really liberal in college. You can come back in the game even after getting subbed and there's no limit to how many you get.


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I believe the rule in NCAA soccer is that you can leave the bench to come onto the field once per half. In other words, if you start the half on the bench and come into the game and get subbed out, they can't sub you back in until the next half. And if you are a starter for the half, they can sub you out and then sub you back in once, but only once. So it's not quite unlimited substitutions, but pretty close.

Honestly, I kind of do like the idea of liberalizing the substitution rules. You can basically do hockey-style substitutions in NCAA where you field an entirely different team, and I think that makes the game more interesting. The problem is that this gives an enormous advantage to teams with a deeper bench. Analytics types say that coaches in top leagues/international soccer should be using all five substitutions every game and using them much earlier in the game than they do. The advantage of fresh legs is not obvious to observers (even coaches and players), but it is very apparent to advanced analytics. In a sport where the wealthy club teams win all the titles and where the wealthier and more populous countries almost always win international competitions, I'm hesitant to implement changes that give wealthier teams another advantage. But I still feel like they could increase the number of substitutions without ruining the game. After all, it seems to work in NCAA soccer.

One reform that I really wish they would implement is eliminating penalty shootouts and using some form of lacrosse overtime rules: Every 10 minutes of overtime, both sides have to send two players off the field (or something like that). The idea is that once there are sufficiently few players on the field, somebody is going to score. Not only would it eliminate the random often unfair penalty shootouts, but it would encourage fair play. An 11-to-10 advantage after losing a player is tough but can be overcome. But a 5-to-4 advantage would be almost insurmountable. Plus it would be a ton of fun to watch.
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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by tovli » November 11th, 2023, 11:15 pm

QuackAttackAggie wrote:
November 11th, 2023, 11:04 pm
StanfordAggie wrote:
QuackAttackAggie wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 10:48 pm
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
Gidbob wrote:
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:49 pm
This was the first full soccer game I’ve watched in a long time. I don’t don’t watch much soccer and only watched tonight because it was my Aggies and it was a meaningful game. I’d like to pose a question. What can be done to make soccer more enjoyable to watch? I played plenty of soccer as a kid and appreciate the skill and endurance it requires, but man is it boring to watch and the outcome is unnecessarily random at times. Here are a few proposals to make the sport more exciting:

1) Smaller field and use less players
2) Allow on-the-fly substitutions like hockey and lacrosse
3) Eliminate offsides. Eliminating the 2 line pass call in hockey helped increase scoring in the NHL.
4) Use 2 balls at once. Would be exciting but make camera man’s job a challenge! lol
5) Add a 2 pt shot (from outside the box). PLL did that for professional lacrosse.

Any other ideas?
There's no chance any of these ever get implemented, and idk how to say it nicely, but they're bad ideas. Watching higher levels helps, but honestly the sports we enjoy watching are very much a product of our culture for most of us. People from countries that like soccer (that includes a ton of countries haha) can't stand the commercial breaks in American sports. But implementing these ideas would cause backlash even worse than the super league they tried a couple years ago.
lol, I knew I’d get this response from some traditionalists/purists. I’m sure if I was more of a regular fan I’d appreciate the nuances of the game more. I do think sports should evolve over time and rule changes are part of that. The 3 pt shot and collapsable rims revolutionized basketball. Some of the recent changes MLB has implemented, such as the pitch clock, has been heaven sent for making baseball better for the spectators. Now only if we could get the NFL to adopt some of the CFL rules.
Subs are already really liberal in college. You can come back in the game even after getting subbed and there's no limit to how many you get.


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I believe the rule in NCAA soccer is that you can leave the bench to come onto the field once per half. In other words, if you start the half on the bench and come into the game and get subbed out, they can't sub you back in until the next half. And if you are a starter for the half, they can sub you out and then sub you back in once, but only once. So it's not quite unlimited substitutions, but pretty close.

Honestly, I kind of do like the idea of liberalizing the substitution rules. You can basically do hockey-style substitutions in NCAA where you field an entirely different team, and I think that makes the game more interesting. The problem is that this gives an enormous advantage to teams with a deeper bench. Analytics types say that coaches in top leagues/international soccer should be using all five substitutions every game and using them much earlier in the game than they do. The advantage of fresh legs is not obvious to observers (even coaches and players), but it is very apparent to advanced analytics. In a sport where the wealthy club teams win all the titles and where the wealthier and more populous countries almost always win international competitions, I'm hesitant to implement changes that give wealthier teams another advantage. But I still feel like they could increase the number of substitutions without ruining the game. After all, it seems to work in NCAA soccer.

One reform that I really wish they would implement is eliminating penalty shootouts and using some form of lacrosse overtime rules: Every 10 minutes of overtime, both sides have to send two players off the field (or something like that). The idea is that once there are sufficiently few players on the field, somebody is going to score. Not only would it eliminate the random often unfair penalty shootouts, but it would encourage fair play. An 11-to-10 advantage after losing a player is tough but can be overcome. But a 5-to-4 advantage would be almost insurmountable. Plus it would be a ton of fun to watch.
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I like the idea of more sports utilizing a penalty box... Soccer, basketball, football, golf?



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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by shoresy » November 11th, 2023, 11:59 pm

QuackAttackAggie wrote:
StanfordAggie wrote:
QuackAttackAggie wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 10:48 pm
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
Gidbob wrote:
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:49 pm
This was the first full soccer game I’ve watched in a long time. I don’t don’t watch much soccer and only watched tonight because it was my Aggies and it was a meaningful game. I’d like to pose a question. What can be done to make soccer more enjoyable to watch? I played plenty of soccer as a kid and appreciate the skill and endurance it requires, but man is it boring to watch and the outcome is unnecessarily random at times. Here are a few proposals to make the sport more exciting:

1) Smaller field and use less players
2) Allow on-the-fly substitutions like hockey and lacrosse
3) Eliminate offsides. Eliminating the 2 line pass call in hockey helped increase scoring in the NHL.
4) Use 2 balls at once. Would be exciting but make camera man’s job a challenge! lol
5) Add a 2 pt shot (from outside the box). PLL did that for professional lacrosse.

Any other ideas?
There's no chance any of these ever get implemented, and idk how to say it nicely, but they're bad ideas. Watching higher levels helps, but honestly the sports we enjoy watching are very much a product of our culture for most of us. People from countries that like soccer (that includes a ton of countries haha) can't stand the commercial breaks in American sports. But implementing these ideas would cause backlash even worse than the super league they tried a couple years ago.
lol, I knew I’d get this response from some traditionalists/purists. I’m sure if I was more of a regular fan I’d appreciate the nuances of the game more. I do think sports should evolve over time and rule changes are part of that. The 3 pt shot and collapsable rims revolutionized basketball. Some of the recent changes MLB has implemented, such as the pitch clock, has been heaven sent for making baseball better for the spectators. Now only if we could get the NFL to adopt some of the CFL rules.
Subs are already really liberal in college. You can come back in the game even after getting subbed and there's no limit to how many you get.


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I believe the rule in NCAA soccer is that you can leave the bench to come onto the field once per half. In other words, if you start the half on the bench and come into the game and get subbed out, they can't sub you back in until the next half. And if you are a starter for the half, they can sub you out and then sub you back in once, but only once. So it's not quite unlimited substitutions, but pretty close.

Honestly, I kind of do like the idea of liberalizing the substitution rules. You can basically do hockey-style substitutions in NCAA where you field an entirely different team, and I think that makes the game more interesting. The problem is that this gives an enormous advantage to teams with a deeper bench. Analytics types say that coaches in top leagues/international soccer should be using all five substitutions every game and using them much earlier in the game than they do. The advantage of fresh legs is not obvious to observers (even coaches and players), but it is very apparent to advanced analytics. In a sport where the wealthy club teams win all the titles and where the wealthier and more populous countries almost always win international competitions, I'm hesitant to implement changes that give wealthier teams another advantage. But I still feel like they could increase the number of substitutions without ruining the game. After all, it seems to work in NCAA soccer.

One reform that I really wish they would implement is eliminating penalty shootouts and using some form of lacrosse overtime rules: Every 10 minutes of overtime, both sides have to send two players off the field (or something like that). The idea is that once there are sufficiently few players on the field, somebody is going to score. Not only would it eliminate the random often unfair penalty shootouts, but it would encourage fair play. An 11-to-10 advantage after losing a player is tough but can be overcome. But a 5-to-4 advantage would be almost insurmountable. Plus it would be a ton of fun to watch.
You get one sub per player in the first half but unlimited subs in the second half in college.


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No. You get one sub per player in the first half, and one re-entry per player in the second.

In other words, once you sub out in the first half, you’re done. Sub out in the second half, you can come back in once.



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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by StanfordAggie » November 12th, 2023, 10:43 pm

shoresy wrote:
November 11th, 2023, 11:59 pm
QuackAttackAggie wrote:
StanfordAggie wrote:
QuackAttackAggie wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 10:48 pm
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
Gidbob wrote:
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:49 pm
This was the first full soccer game I’ve watched in a long time. I don’t don’t watch much soccer and only watched tonight because it was my Aggies and it was a meaningful game. I’d like to pose a question. What can be done to make soccer more enjoyable to watch? I played plenty of soccer as a kid and appreciate the skill and endurance it requires, but man is it boring to watch and the outcome is unnecessarily random at times. Here are a few proposals to make the sport more exciting:

1) Smaller field and use less players
2) Allow on-the-fly substitutions like hockey and lacrosse
3) Eliminate offsides. Eliminating the 2 line pass call in hockey helped increase scoring in the NHL.
4) Use 2 balls at once. Would be exciting but make camera man’s job a challenge! lol
5) Add a 2 pt shot (from outside the box). PLL did that for professional lacrosse.

Any other ideas?
There's no chance any of these ever get implemented, and idk how to say it nicely, but they're bad ideas. Watching higher levels helps, but honestly the sports we enjoy watching are very much a product of our culture for most of us. People from countries that like soccer (that includes a ton of countries haha) can't stand the commercial breaks in American sports. But implementing these ideas would cause backlash even worse than the super league they tried a couple years ago.
lol, I knew I’d get this response from some traditionalists/purists. I’m sure if I was more of a regular fan I’d appreciate the nuances of the game more. I do think sports should evolve over time and rule changes are part of that. The 3 pt shot and collapsable rims revolutionized basketball. Some of the recent changes MLB has implemented, such as the pitch clock, has been heaven sent for making baseball better for the spectators. Now only if we could get the NFL to adopt some of the CFL rules.
Subs are already really liberal in college. You can come back in the game even after getting subbed and there's no limit to how many you get.


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I believe the rule in NCAA soccer is that you can leave the bench to come onto the field once per half. In other words, if you start the half on the bench and come into the game and get subbed out, they can't sub you back in until the next half. And if you are a starter for the half, they can sub you out and then sub you back in once, but only once. So it's not quite unlimited substitutions, but pretty close.

Honestly, I kind of do like the idea of liberalizing the substitution rules. You can basically do hockey-style substitutions in NCAA where you field an entirely different team, and I think that makes the game more interesting. The problem is that this gives an enormous advantage to teams with a deeper bench. Analytics types say that coaches in top leagues/international soccer should be using all five substitutions every game and using them much earlier in the game than they do. The advantage of fresh legs is not obvious to observers (even coaches and players), but it is very apparent to advanced analytics. In a sport where the wealthy club teams win all the titles and where the wealthier and more populous countries almost always win international competitions, I'm hesitant to implement changes that give wealthier teams another advantage. But I still feel like they could increase the number of substitutions without ruining the game. After all, it seems to work in NCAA soccer.

One reform that I really wish they would implement is eliminating penalty shootouts and using some form of lacrosse overtime rules: Every 10 minutes of overtime, both sides have to send two players off the field (or something like that). The idea is that once there are sufficiently few players on the field, somebody is going to score. Not only would it eliminate the random often unfair penalty shootouts, but it would encourage fair play. An 11-to-10 advantage after losing a player is tough but can be overcome. But a 5-to-4 advantage would be almost insurmountable. Plus it would be a ton of fun to watch.
You get one sub per player in the first half but unlimited subs in the second half in college.


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No. You get one sub per player in the first half, and one re-entry per player in the second.

In other words, once you sub out in the first half, you’re done. Sub out in the second half, you can come back in once.
Interesting. My source for my claim above was a friend who was an NCAA soccer player in the early 2000's. I'm not sure if they changed the rule or even she didn't know that the rule only applied to the second half.



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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by shoresy » November 13th, 2023, 9:10 am

StanfordAggie wrote:
November 12th, 2023, 10:43 pm
shoresy wrote:
November 11th, 2023, 11:59 pm
QuackAttackAggie wrote:
StanfordAggie wrote:
QuackAttackAggie wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 10:48 pm
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
Gidbob wrote:
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 10th, 2023, 8:49 pm
This was the first full soccer game I’ve watched in a long time. I don’t don’t watch much soccer and only watched tonight because it was my Aggies and it was a meaningful game. I’d like to pose a question. What can be done to make soccer more enjoyable to watch? I played plenty of soccer as a kid and appreciate the skill and endurance it requires, but man is it boring to watch and the outcome is unnecessarily random at times. Here are a few proposals to make the sport more exciting:

1) Smaller field and use less players
2) Allow on-the-fly substitutions like hockey and lacrosse
3) Eliminate offsides. Eliminating the 2 line pass call in hockey helped increase scoring in the NHL.
4) Use 2 balls at once. Would be exciting but make camera man’s job a challenge! lol
5) Add a 2 pt shot (from outside the box). PLL did that for professional lacrosse.

Any other ideas?
There's no chance any of these ever get implemented, and idk how to say it nicely, but they're bad ideas. Watching higher levels helps, but honestly the sports we enjoy watching are very much a product of our culture for most of us. People from countries that like soccer (that includes a ton of countries haha) can't stand the commercial breaks in American sports. But implementing these ideas would cause backlash even worse than the super league they tried a couple years ago.
lol, I knew I’d get this response from some traditionalists/purists. I’m sure if I was more of a regular fan I’d appreciate the nuances of the game more. I do think sports should evolve over time and rule changes are part of that. The 3 pt shot and collapsable rims revolutionized basketball. Some of the recent changes MLB has implemented, such as the pitch clock, has been heaven sent for making baseball better for the spectators. Now only if we could get the NFL to adopt some of the CFL rules.
Subs are already really liberal in college. You can come back in the game even after getting subbed and there's no limit to how many you get.


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I believe the rule in NCAA soccer is that you can leave the bench to come onto the field once per half. In other words, if you start the half on the bench and come into the game and get subbed out, they can't sub you back in until the next half. And if you are a starter for the half, they can sub you out and then sub you back in once, but only once. So it's not quite unlimited substitutions, but pretty close.

Honestly, I kind of do like the idea of liberalizing the substitution rules. You can basically do hockey-style substitutions in NCAA where you field an entirely different team, and I think that makes the game more interesting. The problem is that this gives an enormous advantage to teams with a deeper bench. Analytics types say that coaches in top leagues/international soccer should be using all five substitutions every game and using them much earlier in the game than they do. The advantage of fresh legs is not obvious to observers (even coaches and players), but it is very apparent to advanced analytics. In a sport where the wealthy club teams win all the titles and where the wealthier and more populous countries almost always win international competitions, I'm hesitant to implement changes that give wealthier teams another advantage. But I still feel like they could increase the number of substitutions without ruining the game. After all, it seems to work in NCAA soccer.

One reform that I really wish they would implement is eliminating penalty shootouts and using some form of lacrosse overtime rules: Every 10 minutes of overtime, both sides have to send two players off the field (or something like that). The idea is that once there are sufficiently few players on the field, somebody is going to score. Not only would it eliminate the random often unfair penalty shootouts, but it would encourage fair play. An 11-to-10 advantage after losing a player is tough but can be overcome. But a 5-to-4 advantage would be almost insurmountable. Plus it would be a ton of fun to watch.
You get one sub per player in the first half but unlimited subs in the second half in college.


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No. You get one sub per player in the first half, and one re-entry per player in the second.

In other words, once you sub out in the first half, you’re done. Sub out in the second half, you can come back in once.
Interesting. My source for my claim above was a friend who was an NCAA soccer player in the early 2000's. I'm not sure if they changed the rule or even she didn't know that the rule only applied to the second half.
I can't speak for what it used to be because I'm not sure, but I would guess there's just been a rule change. The NCAA has made quite a few in recent years, including some major rules (like getting rid of overtime in the regular season).



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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by Coloraggie » November 13th, 2023, 3:58 pm

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Outclassed tonight, but great season
They may have beat us and played better than us but to say the BYU womens soccer team 'outclassed' us I find hard to believe.
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Post by Coloraggie » November 13th, 2023, 4:07 pm

I think I could go for the eliminating offsides and I think many fans would too. The main reason fans would go for it is the current offsides rules are so arbitrarily enforced and when they have to go to replay to decide if I player was an inch past another or not it seems ridiculous. Teams can still defend a player who is offsides and most teams wouldn't just send a guy down to sit in front of the other goal. It would be great. A 2-pt shot might be cool too but it would have to be further out than the box and I'm still not sure about it. Otherwise, I'm not keen on the other three ideas.



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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by Gidbob » November 13th, 2023, 6:02 pm

Coloraggie wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 4:07 pm
I think I could go for the eliminating offsides and I think many fans would too. The main reason fans would go for it is the current offsides rules are so arbitrarily enforced and when they have to go to replay to decide if I player was an inch past another or not it seems ridiculous. Teams can still defend a player who is offsides and most teams wouldn't just send a guy down to sit in front of the other goal. It would be great. A 2-pt shot might be cool too but it would have to be further out than the box and I'm still not sure about it. Otherwise, I'm not keen on the other three ideas.
Eliminating offside would only happen in a gimmicky American league like what MLS was in its early days. There's been talk about changing it to the attacking player needing to be entirely ahead of the last defender for it to be called. There would still be close calls under that system, but it would significantly favor attacking players compared to the current rule, while staying true to the spirit of the law by preventing cherry picking. Dropping it entirely is way too drastic of a change to catch on outside of a gimmicky American league context. As are all the other ideas.



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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by AGGIEinIOWA » November 13th, 2023, 7:22 pm

Gidbob wrote:
Coloraggie wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 4:07 pm
I think I could go for the eliminating offsides and I think many fans would too. The main reason fans would go for it is the current offsides rules are so arbitrarily enforced and when they have to go to replay to decide if I player was an inch past another or not it seems ridiculous. Teams can still defend a player who is offsides and most teams wouldn't just send a guy down to sit in front of the other goal. It would be great. A 2-pt shot might be cool too but it would have to be further out than the box and I'm still not sure about it. Otherwise, I'm not keen on the other three ideas.
Eliminating offside would only happen in a gimmicky American league like what MLS was in its early days. There's been talk about changing it to the attacking player needing to be entirely ahead of the last defender for it to be called. There would still be close calls under that system, but it would significantly favor attacking players compared to the current rule, while staying true to the spirit of the law by preventing cherry picking. Dropping it entirely is way too drastic of a change to catch on outside of a gimmicky American league context. As are all the other ideas.
What’s wrong with gimmicky American rules? The NFL is a gimmicky American game and it’s plenty popular here. Who cares about the rest of the world! And who needs metric anyway!!! ;-)



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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by Gidbob » November 13th, 2023, 7:28 pm

AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 7:22 pm
Gidbob wrote:
Coloraggie wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 4:07 pm
I think I could go for the eliminating offsides and I think many fans would too. The main reason fans would go for it is the current offsides rules are so arbitrarily enforced and when they have to go to replay to decide if I player was an inch past another or not it seems ridiculous. Teams can still defend a player who is offsides and most teams wouldn't just send a guy down to sit in front of the other goal. It would be great. A 2-pt shot might be cool too but it would have to be further out than the box and I'm still not sure about it. Otherwise, I'm not keen on the other three ideas.
Eliminating offside would only happen in a gimmicky American league like what MLS was in its early days. There's been talk about changing it to the attacking player needing to be entirely ahead of the last defender for it to be called. There would still be close calls under that system, but it would significantly favor attacking players compared to the current rule, while staying true to the spirit of the law by preventing cherry picking. Dropping it entirely is way too drastic of a change to catch on outside of a gimmicky American league context. As are all the other ideas.
What’s wrong with gimmicky American rules? The NFL is a gimmicky American game and it’s plenty popular here. Who cares about the rest of the world! And who needs metric anyway!!! ;-)
Maybe a gimmicky American league could exist alongside a more serious one, but it would be unlikely to catch on. MLS moved away from the weird stuff they used to do, and they're in a better shape for doing so, at least when it comes to the way the game is played on the field. Also, I would kind of like to see us get more competitive on a world stage and send more Americans to the top leagues, and doing that stuff in our domestic league doesn't align with those goals at all. And the NFL is its own game entirely, not something that claims to be something else without actually being that. It doesn't try to be rugby. It's another game entirely. Any weird soccer game like what has been suggested would need to be seen the same way



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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by StanfordAggie » November 15th, 2023, 4:48 pm

Gidbob wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 6:02 pm
Coloraggie wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 4:07 pm
I think I could go for the eliminating offsides and I think many fans would too. The main reason fans would go for it is the current offsides rules are so arbitrarily enforced and when they have to go to replay to decide if I player was an inch past another or not it seems ridiculous. Teams can still defend a player who is offsides and most teams wouldn't just send a guy down to sit in front of the other goal. It would be great. A 2-pt shot might be cool too but it would have to be further out than the box and I'm still not sure about it. Otherwise, I'm not keen on the other three ideas.
Eliminating offside would only happen in a gimmicky American league like what MLS was in its early days. There's been talk about changing it to the attacking player needing to be entirely ahead of the last defender for it to be called. There would still be close calls under that system, but it would significantly favor attacking players compared to the current rule, while staying true to the spirit of the law by preventing cherry picking. Dropping it entirely is way too drastic of a change to catch on outside of a gimmicky American league context. As are all the other ideas.
I believe that the modification to the offsides rule you described is being seriously discussed by FIFA right now. And as I recall, there was some talk about eliminating it entirely in the 2000's on a team's own side of the field. (It would still be called on the opposite side of the field, so it wouldn't allow cherry picking.) I actually kind of like that idea, because it would make it much more dangerous to pack the box to protect a lead. But it definitely should not be eliminated entirely. I have seen some matches with no offsides, and it's not fun to watch. There's almost no possession soccer; both teams just keep launching long balls back and forth.
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Re: Soccer Postseason Thread

Post by SeattleAg » November 15th, 2023, 9:03 pm

The thing with subs is that the limited subs force teams to conserve their energy, most obviously with defending. (I learned this the hard way coaching youth soccer, where subs are unlimited and 12 year olds basically don't get tired anyway.) It's kind of like using bullpen pitchers earlier and earlier - everyone can just go max effort all the time and it stifles offense. If your defenders have to be careful with their legs, it gives the offense more breathing room to set up attacks. On the other hand, if you can just sub whenever, everyone presses full field all the time and the game devolves into pinball and lucky shots. The combination of better conditioning and (likely but unproven) PEDs at the highest levels has already overhauled the game just in the last 10-15 years; add free subs to that and it's just full field indoor.

My opinion at least, and I'm out of coaching so take it with a grain of salt.



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