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South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
South Carolina women's basketball has canceled its planned home and home series against BYU as a result of the alleged racist incident at the BYU - Duke volleyball game.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
that was stupid of them IMHO
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
I don't mind anything that hurts BYU, or makes it look bad.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
I'm with you on this, but canceling the game because of that incident when we don't know the full story is kind of stupid for South Carolina. Again, IMHO.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 7:30 pmI don't mind anything that hurts BYU, or makes it look bad.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Doubtful this hurts South Carolina at all, and probably scores some brownie points in the PR world and among potential recruits. Gives the program good street cred when it comes to having a zero tolerance approach to dealing with racist incidents. Honestly, IMHO, it is a smart move on their part, not a stupid move.ViAggie wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 7:41 pmI'm with you on this, but canceling the game because of that incident when we don't know the full story is kind of stupid for South Carolina. Again, IMHO.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 7:30 pmI don't mind anything that hurts BYU, or makes it look bad.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Hey byu, cancel your sports.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Bednarize!
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Do we even know the full story of what happened at that game yet?
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It was dumb on SC. There currently is zero evidence to back up the Duke players claim. If no evidence surfaces I will guarantee the media will still not retract their negative coverage of the situation.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
It would be dumb if there were potential harm to the SC WBB program, or the university in general. I fail to see any negatives for SC in this. With SEC money, they can easily find a new opponent for those games. If it turns out nothing actually happened at the Duke volleyball game, at worst, the SC program comes across as being proactive in protecting its student athletes, and not taking any chances. At the other extreme, if SC continued with the games, and it turns out there is evidence of racist chants, then SC will be seen as being careless about the wellbeing and safety of its student athletes.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:09 amIt was dumb on SC. There currently is zero evidence to back up the Duke players claim. If no evidence surfaces I will guarantee the media will still not retract their negative coverage of the situation.
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Certainly SC can do as they please and they certainly don't the need the game. I just don't see how their players are in danger playing the game. I dislike BYU, but what I despise even more is the mob mentality when currently their is zero evidence showing that it happened.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:20 amIt would be dumb if there were potential harm to the SC WBB program, or the university in general. I fail to see any negatives for SC in this. With SEC money, they can easily find a new opponent for those games. If it turns out nothing actually happened at the Duke volleyball game, at worst, the SC program comes across as being proactive in protecting its student athletes, and not taking any chances. At the other extreme, if SC continued with the games, and it turns out there is evidence of racist chants, then SC will be seen as being careless about the wellbeing and safety of its student athletes.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:09 amIt was dumb on SC. There currently is zero evidence to back up the Duke players claim. If no evidence surfaces I will guarantee the media will still not retract their negative coverage of the situation.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
The consequences of doing nothing far outweigh the consequences of doing something. SC faces very virtually zero consequence for cancelling the game. But let's say a racist incident does occur at the basketball game, regardless of whether or not evidence is found of racist comments at the Duke game, then the coaches and administrators of SC will have to answer for their failure to take action when there have been accusations made in the past. If the SC players were being cheated out of a game of consequence, that could affect their chances of a championship or something to that affect, then perhaps I could see a quick cancellation as being too hasty. But these games are of virtually no consequence for either program, and ones that both programs will most likely easily replace.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:52 amCertainly SC can do as they please and they certainly don't the need the game. I just don't see how their players are in danger playing the game. I dislike BYU, but what I despise even more is the mob mentality when currently their is zero evidence showing that it happened.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:20 amIt would be dumb if there were potential harm to the SC WBB program, or the university in general. I fail to see any negatives for SC in this. With SEC money, they can easily find a new opponent for those games. If it turns out nothing actually happened at the Duke volleyball game, at worst, the SC program comes across as being proactive in protecting its student athletes, and not taking any chances. At the other extreme, if SC continued with the games, and it turns out there is evidence of racist chants, then SC will be seen as being careless about the wellbeing and safety of its student athletes.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:09 amIt was dumb on SC. There currently is zero evidence to back up the Duke players claim. If no evidence surfaces I will guarantee the media will still not retract their negative coverage of the situation.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Evidence (or lack thereof) be damned, once accused, eternally guilty.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
If the risk is so high would you suggest that all teams on BYU's schedule cancel their games due to the consequences of doing nothing. If there is risk for SC then the risk would be the same for other programs.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 7:25 amThe consequences of doing nothing far outweigh the consequences of doing something. SC faces very virtually zero consequence for cancelling the game. But let's say a racist incident does occur at the basketball game, regardless of whether or not evidence is found of racist comments at the Duke game, then the coaches and administrators of SC will have to answer for their failure to take action when there have been accusations made in the past. If the SC players were being cheated out of a game of consequence, that could affect their chances of a championship or something to that affect, then perhaps I could see a quick cancellation as being too hasty. But these games are of virtually no consequence for either program, and ones that both programs will most likely easily replace.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:52 amCertainly SC can do as they please and they certainly don't the need the game. I just don't see how their players are in danger playing the game. I dislike BYU, but what I despise even more is the mob mentality when currently their is zero evidence showing that it happened.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:20 amIt would be dumb if there were potential harm to the SC WBB program, or the university in general. I fail to see any negatives for SC in this. With SEC money, they can easily find a new opponent for those games. If it turns out nothing actually happened at the Duke volleyball game, at worst, the SC program comes across as being proactive in protecting its student athletes, and not taking any chances. At the other extreme, if SC continued with the games, and it turns out there is evidence of racist chants, then SC will be seen as being careless about the wellbeing and safety of its student athletes.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:09 amIt was dumb on SC. There currently is zero evidence to back up the Duke players claim. If no evidence surfaces I will guarantee the media will still not retract their negative coverage of the situation.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
I would not fault them if they did decide to cancel the games.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 7:53 amIf the risk is so high would you suggest that all teams on BYU's schedule cancel their games due to the consequences of doing nothing. If there is risk for SC then the risk would be the same for other programs.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 7:25 amThe consequences of doing nothing far outweigh the consequences of doing something. SC faces very virtually zero consequence for cancelling the game. But let's say a racist incident does occur at the basketball game, regardless of whether or not evidence is found of racist comments at the Duke game, then the coaches and administrators of SC will have to answer for their failure to take action when there have been accusations made in the past. If the SC players were being cheated out of a game of consequence, that could affect their chances of a championship or something to that affect, then perhaps I could see a quick cancellation as being too hasty. But these games are of virtually no consequence for either program, and ones that both programs will most likely easily replace.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:52 amCertainly SC can do as they please and they certainly don't the need the game. I just don't see how their players are in danger playing the game. I dislike BYU, but what I despise even more is the mob mentality when currently their is zero evidence showing that it happened.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:20 amIt would be dumb if there were potential harm to the SC WBB program, or the university in general. I fail to see any negatives for SC in this. With SEC money, they can easily find a new opponent for those games. If it turns out nothing actually happened at the Duke volleyball game, at worst, the SC program comes across as being proactive in protecting its student athletes, and not taking any chances. At the other extreme, if SC continued with the games, and it turns out there is evidence of racist chants, then SC will be seen as being careless about the wellbeing and safety of its student athletes.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:09 amIt was dumb on SC. There currently is zero evidence to back up the Duke players claim. If no evidence surfaces I will guarantee the media will still not retract their negative coverage of the situation.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Just like other schools should have cancelled all their contacts with Duke due to allegations of gang rape by their lacrosse team.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:15 amI would not fault them if they did decide to cancel the games.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 7:53 amIf the risk is so high would you suggest that all teams on BYU's schedule cancel their games due to the consequences of doing nothing. If there is risk for SC then the risk would be the same for other programs.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 7:25 amThe consequences of doing nothing far outweigh the consequences of doing something. SC faces very virtually zero consequence for cancelling the game. But let's say a racist incident does occur at the basketball game, regardless of whether or not evidence is found of racist comments at the Duke game, then the coaches and administrators of SC will have to answer for their failure to take action when there have been accusations made in the past. If the SC players were being cheated out of a game of consequence, that could affect their chances of a championship or something to that affect, then perhaps I could see a quick cancellation as being too hasty. But these games are of virtually no consequence for either program, and ones that both programs will most likely easily replace.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:52 amCertainly SC can do as they please and they certainly don't the need the game. I just don't see how their players are in danger playing the game. I dislike BYU, but what I despise even more is the mob mentality when currently their is zero evidence showing that it happened.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:20 amIt would be dumb if there were potential harm to the SC WBB program, or the university in general. I fail to see any negatives for SC in this. With SEC money, they can easily find a new opponent for those games. If it turns out nothing actually happened at the Duke volleyball game, at worst, the SC program comes across as being proactive in protecting its student athletes, and not taking any chances. At the other extreme, if SC continued with the games, and it turns out there is evidence of racist chants, then SC will be seen as being careless about the wellbeing and safety of its student athletes.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:09 amIt was dumb on SC. There currently is zero evidence to back up the Duke players claim. If no evidence surfaces I will guarantee the media will still not retract their negative coverage of the situation.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
BYU itself acknowledges that black students "feel isolated and unsafe as a result of their experiences with racism at BYU". This is not "once accused", it is a self admitted problem at BYU.3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 7:38 amEvidence (or lack thereof) be damned, once accused, eternally guilty.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Yes it is. BYU will always be guilty if shouting a racial slur at a Duke volleyball player. Whether or not it actually happened is irrelevant.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:25 amBYU itself acknowledges that black students "feel isolated and unsafe as a result of their experiences with racism at BYU". This is not "once accused", it is a self admitted problem at BYU.3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 7:38 amEvidence (or lack thereof) be damned, once accused, eternally guilty.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
I wouldn't fault them if they did.3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:19 amJust like other schools should have cancelled all their contacts with Duke due to allegations of gang rape by their lacrosse team.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:15 amI would not fault them if they did decide to cancel the games.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 7:53 amIf the risk is so high would you suggest that all teams on BYU's schedule cancel their games due to the consequences of doing nothing. If there is risk for SC then the risk would be the same for other programs.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 7:25 amThe consequences of doing nothing far outweigh the consequences of doing something. SC faces very virtually zero consequence for cancelling the game. But let's say a racist incident does occur at the basketball game, regardless of whether or not evidence is found of racist comments at the Duke game, then the coaches and administrators of SC will have to answer for their failure to take action when there have been accusations made in the past. If the SC players were being cheated out of a game of consequence, that could affect their chances of a championship or something to that affect, then perhaps I could see a quick cancellation as being too hasty. But these games are of virtually no consequence for either program, and ones that both programs will most likely easily replace.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:52 amCertainly SC can do as they please and they certainly don't the need the game. I just don't see how their players are in danger playing the game. I dislike BYU, but what I despise even more is the mob mentality when currently their is zero evidence showing that it happened.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:20 amIt would be dumb if there were potential harm to the SC WBB program, or the university in general. I fail to see any negatives for SC in this. With SEC money, they can easily find a new opponent for those games. If it turns out nothing actually happened at the Duke volleyball game, at worst, the SC program comes across as being proactive in protecting its student athletes, and not taking any chances. At the other extreme, if SC continued with the games, and it turns out there is evidence of racist chants, then SC will be seen as being careless about the wellbeing and safety of its student athletes.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:09 amIt was dumb on SC. There currently is zero evidence to back up the Duke players claim. If no evidence surfaces I will guarantee the media will still not retract their negative coverage of the situation.
But I think you are under the impression that I said SC should cancel their games against BYU. I have simply said that I do not fault them, and fail to see any downside for SC for doing so. There is a difference between saying "you should do that" and saying "I don't fault you for doing that".
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Take hated yBu out of the equation. A lying, race-baiting politician, in order to gain personal advantage in a distant jurisdiction for a run for office makes up a racial outrage that ten minutes ago, if true, would be classed as a sticks and stones gaucherie.
The politician has made herself an oppressor of an innocent party.
In this scenario SC makes itself a co-oppressor.
That ain't right.
The politician has made herself an oppressor of an innocent party.
In this scenario SC makes itself a co-oppressor.
That ain't right.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Evidence matters. Also, it's absurd to think that a black person is in more danger in Provo, Utah than in South Carolina...home of as much historical racial violence as anywhere.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:33 amI wouldn't fault them if they did.3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:19 amJust like other schools should have cancelled all their contacts with Duke due to allegations of gang rape by their lacrosse team.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:15 amI would not fault them if they did decide to cancel the games.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 7:53 amIf the risk is so high would you suggest that all teams on BYU's schedule cancel their games due to the consequences of doing nothing. If there is risk for SC then the risk would be the same for other programs.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 7:25 amThe consequences of doing nothing far outweigh the consequences of doing something. SC faces very virtually zero consequence for cancelling the game. But let's say a racist incident does occur at the basketball game, regardless of whether or not evidence is found of racist comments at the Duke game, then the coaches and administrators of SC will have to answer for their failure to take action when there have been accusations made in the past. If the SC players were being cheated out of a game of consequence, that could affect their chances of a championship or something to that affect, then perhaps I could see a quick cancellation as being too hasty. But these games are of virtually no consequence for either program, and ones that both programs will most likely easily replace.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:52 amCertainly SC can do as they please and they certainly don't the need the game. I just don't see how their players are in danger playing the game. I dislike BYU, but what I despise even more is the mob mentality when currently their is zero evidence showing that it happened.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:20 amIt would be dumb if there were potential harm to the SC WBB program, or the university in general. I fail to see any negatives for SC in this. With SEC money, they can easily find a new opponent for those games. If it turns out nothing actually happened at the Duke volleyball game, at worst, the SC program comes across as being proactive in protecting its student athletes, and not taking any chances. At the other extreme, if SC continued with the games, and it turns out there is evidence of racist chants, then SC will be seen as being careless about the wellbeing and safety of its student athletes.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:09 amIt was dumb on SC. There currently is zero evidence to back up the Duke players claim. If no evidence surfaces I will guarantee the media will still not retract their negative coverage of the situation.
But I think you are under the impression that I said SC should cancel their games against BYU. I have simply said that I do not fault them, and fail to see any downside for SC for doing so. There is a difference between saying "you should do that" and saying "I don't fault you for doing that".
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, BYU has acknowledged it has an on-campus racism problem, and has recently announced it will not implement diversity and inclusion programs to combat it. The accusation certainly fits within the self acknowledged problem at BYU. We are not talking about a criminal case, or something that will have major consequences for the people involved, we are talking about canceling an inconsequential game against a non-conference opponent from the other end of the country.3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:30 amYes it is. BYU will always be guilty if shouting a racial slur at a Duke volleyball player. Whether or not it actually happened is irrelevant.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:25 amBYU itself acknowledges that black students "feel isolated and unsafe as a result of their experiences with racism at BYU". This is not "once accused", it is a self admitted problem at BYU.3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 7:38 amEvidence (or lack thereof) be damned, once accused, eternally guilty.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
I can take the hatred of BYU out of the equation. But you can't take the history, or the current practice of BYU (it was just announced this past summer that BYU will not implement diversity and inclusion programs) out of the equation. SC is not oppressing anyone, they do not have a legal obligation to provide opportunities for BYU WBB to play games. If canceling games is "oppression", then BYU and Utah are guilty of oppressing USU.USU78 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:39 amTake hated yBu out of the equation. A lying, race-baiting politician, in order to gain personal advantage in a distant jurisdiction for a run for office makes up a racial outrage that ten minutes ago, if true, would be classed as a sticks and stones gaucherie.
The politician has made herself an oppressor of an innocent party.
In this scenario SC makes itself a co-oppressor.
That ain't right.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
This is one cancel culture I can get behind. It is not safe for opposing teams to go to Provo. Everyone cancel your games with byu.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Shunning people based upon receipt of a malicious lie is both hunky and dorry.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:54 amI can take the hatred of BYU out of the equation. But you can't take the history, or the current practice of BYU (it was just announced this past summer that BYU will not implement diversity and inclusion programs) out of the equation. SC is not oppressing anyone, they do not have a legal obligation to provide opportunities for BYU WBB to play games. If canceling games is "oppression", then BYU and Utah are guilty of oppressing USU.USU78 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:39 amTake hated yBu out of the equation. A lying, race-baiting politician, in order to gain personal advantage in a distant jurisdiction for a run for office makes up a racial outrage that ten minutes ago, if true, would be classed as a sticks and stones gaucherie.
The politician has made herself an oppressor of an innocent party.
In this scenario SC makes itself a co-oppressor.
That ain't right.
Got it.
Cowardice.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Honest question. Is it much different at Utah state? We have a similar culture to a degree I’d assume.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:25 amBYU itself acknowledges that black students "feel isolated and unsafe as a result of their experiences with racism at BYU". This is not "once accused", it is a self admitted problem at BYU.3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 7:38 amEvidence (or lack thereof) be damned, once accused, eternally guilty.
Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
After this week when Byu canceled the basketball series with USU because they are too good for us, byu can go to hell. I hope every team cancels everything against them.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Ha! A more than fair point.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Chances are they quite literally have a legal obligation to play BYU WBB. Imagine if a month before the season UCONN were like "nah". I guess that is up to whatever the contract says.swordsman1989 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:54 amI can take the hatred of BYU out of the equation. But you can't take the history, or the current practice of BYU (it was just announced this past summer that BYU will not implement diversity and inclusion programs) out of the equation. SC is not oppressing anyone, they do not have a legal obligation to provide opportunities for BYU WBB to play games. If canceling games is "oppression", then BYU and Utah are guilty of oppressing USU.USU78 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:39 amTake hated yBu out of the equation. A lying, race-baiting politician, in order to gain personal advantage in a distant jurisdiction for a run for office makes up a racial outrage that ten minutes ago, if true, would be classed as a sticks and stones gaucherie.
The politician has made herself an oppressor of an innocent party.
In this scenario SC makes itself a co-oppressor.
That ain't right.
It's certainly not my problem that BYU has a women's hoops game to fill. I just thin disdain of BYU should be based on real things. Not imaginary things. Diversity and Inclusion is a trap. They want you to question not if racism even took place but how it was manifested in the situation (the basic premise of CRT) which makes racism assumed in every scenario.
What is interesting about the SC coach is that similar accusations were made against her fans and she treated it very differently than you are suggesting.
BYU sucks but they aren't in the KKK, they aren't Nazis. They're just douches.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Yeah I have zero sympathy for byu after what they just pulled. Super lame not to play in state rivals in basketball. Conference affiliation shouldn't matter when there are that many ooc games.
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
I was pretty surprised seeing all of the p5 teams this weekend playing on the road at schools that are in-state and they for the most part we’re fun games to watch at the end.
Yes it’s football and yes those schools have deals. But those schools are also long established p5 schools playing at smaller conferences.
Although I do think the sun belt is on the rise. Which is ok , a stronger G5 is good for us too
Yes it’s football and yes those schools have deals. But those schools are also long established p5 schools playing at smaller conferences.
Although I do think the sun belt is on the rise. Which is ok , a stronger G5 is good for us too
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
Yeah the 3 acc road games against instate mid majors were all great games. App state should have had it!Imakeitrain wrote: ↑September 4th, 2022, 2:38 pmI was pretty surprised seeing all of the p5 teams this weekend playing on the road at schools that are in-state and they for the most part we’re fun games to watch at the end.
Yes it’s football and yes those schools have deals. But those schools are also long established p5 schools playing at smaller conferences.
Although I do think the sun belt is on the rise. Which is ok , a stronger G5 is good for us too
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Re: South Carolina WBB cancels BYU series
They were great games and great atmospheres. Too bad Utah won't play us and who knows when BYU will play us again.Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑September 4th, 2022, 6:34 pmYeah the 3 acc road games against instate mid majors were all great games. App state should have had it!Imakeitrain wrote: ↑September 4th, 2022, 2:38 pmI was pretty surprised seeing all of the p5 teams this weekend playing on the road at schools that are in-state and they for the most part we’re fun games to watch at the end.
Yes it’s football and yes those schools have deals. But those schools are also long established p5 schools playing at smaller conferences.
Although I do think the sun belt is on the rise. Which is ok , a stronger G5 is good for us too
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