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...had a huge opener at the "Best of Utah" meet, with the U, BYU, and SUU. The state has, historically, incredible gymnastics programs. USU placed second, behind U of U, with a school record 195.875 for an opening meet. Rebecca Wells won the all around, beating out Utah's Olympic medalist. Freshman Brie Clark won the floor event with a huge 9.925.
Football and men's basketball are the lynchpins of any university athletic program, but as I keep saying, great programs win in ALL sports. John Hartwell has done a phenomenal job building up all the programs in the department. You personally may not care that much, but this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference, if the opportunity ever presents itself.
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Go AGGIES!
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I haven't ever been to a gymnastics meet but my kids have been wanting to go to one so I'm going to take them to cheer on the Aggies in Provo.
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Took my kids a few decades ago. It was when the first great big blue burst on the scene. The guy that went to be the Denver nuggets mascot.
Anyway, he wore a pink tu tu and did a balance beam routine falling on the beam in a spread eagle split and then slowly fell off the side.
Kids still remember that experience.
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Kids still remember that experience.
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Went to all the gym meets in the mid 1990s. Of course part of it was because I had a thing for one of the team members and I got to know her in a class we both took (even went out several times...but I was a dumbass and messed that up...). But anyway, the meets were a lot of fun and the team was pretty successful back then. I'd highly recommend going to the meets, especially if you have younger kids.
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If that's the case, we may never have a great program until we disband the women's basketball teamLKGates wrote: ↑January 8th, 2022, 9:35 pm
Football and men's basketball are the lynchpins of any university athletic program, but as I keep saying, great programs win in ALL sports. John Hartwell has done a phenomenal job building up all the programs in the department. You personally may not care that much, but this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference, if the opportunity ever presents itself.
But seriously though, I totally agree. And beyond just being important for image, it's a whole lot of fun to have teams in "non-major" sports to support that are competitive. We haven't had a whole lot of that the past few decades at USU, so seeing gymnastics, soccer, volleyball, etc. all taking off these past few years has been awesome.
And yes, gymnastics meets are incredible. One of my very favorite spectator sports.
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Women's basketball isn't a lost cause, although I'm starting to question if we have the right people right now. Raegan Pebley took the program from zero (there hadn't been a women's basketball program for a few years when she took over) to 2nd place in the WAC her last year, and WNIT appearances in both of her two last years. The last ten years at USU have taught us, you can have success here, if you bring in the right people.stang wrote: ↑January 10th, 2022, 1:00 pmIf that's the case, we may never have a great program until we disband the women's basketball teamLKGates wrote: ↑January 8th, 2022, 9:35 pm
Football and men's basketball are the lynchpins of any university athletic program, but as I keep saying, great programs win in ALL sports. John Hartwell has done a phenomenal job building up all the programs in the department. You personally may not care that much, but this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference, if the opportunity ever presents itself.
But seriously though, I totally agree. And beyond just being important for image, it's a whole lot of fun to have teams in "non-major" sports to support that are competitive. We haven't had a whole lot of that the past few decades at USU, so seeing gymnastics, soccer, volleyball, etc. all taking off these past few years has been awesome.
And yes, gymnastics meets are incredible. One of my very favorite spectator sports.
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I don’t know, friend. I guess I wouldn’t classify them as a “lost cause”, but in the 32 year history of the program, they’ve hadLKGates wrote:Women's basketball isn't a lost cause, although I'm starting to question if we have the right people right now. Raegan Pebley took the program from zero (there hadn't been a women's basketball program for a few years when she took over) to 2nd place in the WAC her last year, and WNIT appearances in both of her two last years. The last ten years at USU have taught us, you can have success here, if you bring in the right people.stang wrote: ↑January 10th, 2022, 1:00 pmIf that's the case, we may never have a great program until we disband the women's basketball teamLKGates wrote: ↑January 8th, 2022, 9:35 pm
Football and men's basketball are the lynchpins of any university athletic program, but as I keep saying, great programs win in ALL sports. John Hartwell has done a phenomenal job building up all the programs in the department. You personally may not care that much, but this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference, if the opportunity ever presents itself.
But seriously though, I totally agree. And beyond just being important for image, it's a whole lot of fun to have teams in "non-major" sports to support that are competitive. We haven't had a whole lot of that the past few decades at USU, so seeing gymnastics, soccer, volleyball, etc. all taking off these past few years has been awesome.
And yes, gymnastics meets are incredible. One of my very favorite spectator sports.
1 20+ win season
11 winning seasons
12 seasons with single-digit wins
0 conference championships
You’re right that Pebley found a little bit of success in year 9, but overall that program has been an embarrassment and a scourge to the USU name.
Sorry, not trying to thread jack.
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Love seeing gymnastics ranked #11 in the latest poll, they’ve really started to turn into a powerhouse! It seems that a lot of the contributors are young and could still have a few years in the program, too
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Eh. One could have said the same thing about the football team until 2011. I refuse to give up. And more importantly, I don't think John Hartwell is going to give up.stang wrote: ↑January 10th, 2022, 8:28 pmI don’t know, friend. I guess I wouldn’t classify them as a “lost cause”, but in the 32 year history of the program, they’ve hadLKGates wrote:Women's basketball isn't a lost cause, although I'm starting to question if we have the right people right now. Raegan Pebley took the program from zero (there hadn't been a women's basketball program for a few years when she took over) to 2nd place in the WAC her last year, and WNIT appearances in both of her two last years. The last ten years at USU have taught us, you can have success here, if you bring in the right people.stang wrote: ↑January 10th, 2022, 1:00 pmIf that's the case, we may never have a great program until we disband the women's basketball teamLKGates wrote: ↑January 8th, 2022, 9:35 pm
Football and men's basketball are the lynchpins of any university athletic program, but as I keep saying, great programs win in ALL sports. John Hartwell has done a phenomenal job building up all the programs in the department. You personally may not care that much, but this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference, if the opportunity ever presents itself.
But seriously though, I totally agree. And beyond just being important for image, it's a whole lot of fun to have teams in "non-major" sports to support that are competitive. We haven't had a whole lot of that the past few decades at USU, so seeing gymnastics, soccer, volleyball, etc. all taking off these past few years has been awesome.
And yes, gymnastics meets are incredible. One of my very favorite spectator sports.
1 20+ win season
11 winning seasons
12 seasons with single-digit wins
0 conference championships
You’re right that Pebley found a little bit of success in year 9, but overall that program has been an embarrassment and a scourge to the USU name.
Sorry, not trying to thread jack.
And yes, it is way cool that the gymnastics team is ranked 11th. Highest ranking ever for the team.
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11th is great, but keep in mind, there are still maybe about 12 teams that haven't competed yet, and the score they have now would be 23rd during the final week of last season. Still a great accomplishment, but they'll have to continue to improve throughout the year.
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This type of thing will have no bearing on an invite to a P5 conference.LKGates wrote:...had a huge opener at the "Best of Utah" meet, with the U, BYU, and SUU. The state has, historically, incredible gymnastics programs. USU placed second, behind U of U, with a school record 195.875 for an opening meet. Rebecca Wells won the all around, beating out Utah's Olympic medalist. Freshman Brie Clark won the floor event with a huge 9.925.
Football and men's basketball are the lynchpins of any university athletic program, but as I keep saying, great programs win in ALL sports. John Hartwell has done a phenomenal job building up all the programs in the department. You personally may not care that much, but this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference, if the opportunity ever presents itself.
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swordsman1989 wrote: ↑January 9th, 2022, 10:17 amWent to all the gym meets in the mid 1990s. Of course part of it was because I had a thing for one of the team members and I got to know her in a class we both took (even went out several times...but I was a dumbass and messed that up...). But anyway, the meets were a lot of fun and the team was pretty successful back then. I'd highly recommend going to the meets, especially if you have younger kids.
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I think it does. It would be a small consideration, but a strong athletics department overall would be a consideration. Just like academics would be a consideration. Sure, 90% of the consideration is if you have a good football program that would bring in money, but the other stuff is still considered.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 8:24 amThis type of thing will have no bearing on an invite to a P5 conference.LKGates wrote:...had a huge opener at the "Best of Utah" meet, with the U, BYU, and SUU. The state has, historically, incredible gymnastics programs. USU placed second, behind U of U, with a school record 195.875 for an opening meet. Rebecca Wells won the all around, beating out Utah's Olympic medalist. Freshman Brie Clark won the floor event with a huge 9.925.
Football and men's basketball are the lynchpins of any university athletic program, but as I keep saying, great programs win in ALL sports. John Hartwell has done a phenomenal job building up all the programs in the department. You personally may not care that much, but this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference, if the opportunity ever presents itself.
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No it’s not.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:I think it does. It would be a small consideration, but a strong athletics department overall would be a consideration. Just like academics would be a consideration. Sure, 90% of the consideration is if you have a good football program that would bring in money, but the other stuff is still considered.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 8:24 amThis type of thing will have no bearing on an invite to a P5 conference.LKGates wrote:...had a huge opener at the "Best of Utah" meet, with the U, BYU, and SUU. The state has, historically, incredible gymnastics programs. USU placed second, behind U of U, with a school record 195.875 for an opening meet. Rebecca Wells won the all around, beating out Utah's Olympic medalist. Freshman Brie Clark won the floor event with a huge 9.925.
Football and men's basketball are the lynchpins of any university athletic program, but as I keep saying, great programs win in ALL sports. John Hartwell has done a phenomenal job building up all the programs in the department. You personally may not care that much, but this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference, if the opportunity ever presents itself.
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2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 10:45 amNo it’s not.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:I think it does. It would be a small consideration, but a strong athletics department overall would be a consideration. Just like academics would be a consideration. Sure, 90% of the consideration is if you have a good football program that would bring in money, but the other stuff is still considered.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 8:24 amThis type of thing will have no bearing on an invite to a P5 conference.LKGates wrote:...had a huge opener at the "Best of Utah" meet, with the U, BYU, and SUU. The state has, historically, incredible gymnastics programs. USU placed second, behind U of U, with a school record 195.875 for an opening meet. Rebecca Wells won the all around, beating out Utah's Olympic medalist. Freshman Brie Clark won the floor event with a huge 9.925.
Football and men's basketball are the lynchpins of any university athletic program, but as I keep saying, great programs win in ALL sports. John Hartwell has done a phenomenal job building up all the programs in the department. You personally may not care that much, but this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference, if the opportunity ever presents itself.
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Why is me saying gymnastics has nothing to do with conferences affiliation make you think I think I’m a bad (I can't express myself without swearing)?flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 10:45 amNo it’s not.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:I think it does. It would be a small consideration, but a strong athletics department overall would be a consideration. Just like academics would be a consideration. Sure, 90% of the consideration is if you have a good football program that would bring in money, but the other stuff is still considered.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 8:24 amThis type of thing will have no bearing on an invite to a P5 conference.LKGates wrote:...had a huge opener at the "Best of Utah" meet, with the U, BYU, and SUU. The state has, historically, incredible gymnastics programs. USU placed second, behind U of U, with a school record 195.875 for an opening meet. Rebecca Wells won the all around, beating out Utah's Olympic medalist. Freshman Brie Clark won the floor event with a huge 9.925.
Football and men's basketball are the lynchpins of any university athletic program, but as I keep saying, great programs win in ALL sports. John Hartwell has done a phenomenal job building up all the programs in the department. You personally may not care that much, but this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference, if the opportunity ever presents itself.
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Only bad***es get to share their opinions as categorical fact without providing an explanation or justification while simultaneously crushing the opinions of others.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 11:15 amWhy is me saying gymnastics has nothing to do with conferences affiliation make you think I think I’m a bad (I can't express myself without swearing)?flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 10:45 amNo it’s not.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:I think it does. It would be a small consideration, but a strong athletics department overall would be a consideration. Just like academics would be a consideration. Sure, 90% of the consideration is if you have a good football program that would bring in money, but the other stuff is still considered.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 8:24 amThis type of thing will have no bearing on an invite to a P5 conference.LKGates wrote:...had a huge opener at the "Best of Utah" meet, with the U, BYU, and SUU. The state has, historically, incredible gymnastics programs. USU placed second, behind U of U, with a school record 195.875 for an opening meet. Rebecca Wells won the all around, beating out Utah's Olympic medalist. Freshman Brie Clark won the floor event with a huge 9.925.
Football and men's basketball are the lynchpins of any university athletic program, but as I keep saying, great programs win in ALL sports. John Hartwell has done a phenomenal job building up all the programs in the department. You personally may not care that much, but this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference, if the opportunity ever presents itself.
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Nuh-uh, not true.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 11:54 amOnly bad***es get to share their opinions as categorical fact without providing an explanation or justification while simultaneously crushing the opinions of others.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 11:15 amWhy is me saying gymnastics has nothing to do with conferences affiliation make you think I think I’m a bad (I can't express myself without swearing)?flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 10:45 amNo it’s not.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:I think it does. It would be a small consideration, but a strong athletics department overall would be a consideration. Just like academics would be a consideration. Sure, 90% of the consideration is if you have a good football program that would bring in money, but the other stuff is still considered.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 8:24 amThis type of thing will have no bearing on an invite to a P5 conference.LKGates wrote:...had a huge opener at the "Best of Utah" meet, with the U, BYU, and SUU. The state has, historically, incredible gymnastics programs. USU placed second, behind U of U, with a school record 195.875 for an opening meet. Rebecca Wells won the all around, beating out Utah's Olympic medalist. Freshman Brie Clark won the floor event with a huge 9.925.
Football and men's basketball are the lynchpins of any university athletic program, but as I keep saying, great programs win in ALL sports. John Hartwell has done a phenomenal job building up all the programs in the department. You personally may not care that much, but this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference, if the opportunity ever presents itself.
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In all the years of conference realignment and potential realignment, have you ever heard gymnastics being mentioned as a consideration ?flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:Only bad***es get to share their opinions as categorical fact without providing an explanation or justification while simultaneously crushing the opinions of others.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 11:15 amWhy is me saying gymnastics has nothing to do with conferences affiliation make you think I think I’m a bad (I can't express myself without swearing)?flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 10:45 amNo it’s not.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:I think it does. It would be a small consideration, but a strong athletics department overall would be a consideration. Just like academics would be a consideration. Sure, 90% of the consideration is if you have a good football program that would bring in money, but the other stuff is still considered.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 8:24 amThis type of thing will have no bearing on an invite to a P5 conference.LKGates wrote:...had a huge opener at the "Best of Utah" meet, with the U, BYU, and SUU. The state has, historically, incredible gymnastics programs. USU placed second, behind U of U, with a school record 195.875 for an opening meet. Rebecca Wells won the all around, beating out Utah's Olympic medalist. Freshman Brie Clark won the floor event with a huge 9.925.
Football and men's basketball are the lynchpins of any university athletic program, but as I keep saying, great programs win in ALL sports. John Hartwell has done a phenomenal job building up all the programs in the department. You personally may not care that much, but this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference, if the opportunity ever presents itself.
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I haven’t. I have heard Market size, athletic budget, mens basketball, fan support, location, historical success in the money sports, academics ,potential for growth etc. being mentioned as factors. Never have I heard of gymnastics. Have you ?
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No, you're definitely right. Nobody is going to say, "Oh man, Utah State has a top 10 gymnastics program, we need them in our conference." But I think it contributes to the strength of the athletic department as a whole, which I do believe is a factor, just as much as academics is a factor. Obviously, money is the main factor and that's driven mostly by football, hence why Boise is always in the conversation despite having nothing else going for them.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 12:22 pmIn all the years of conference realignment and potential realignment, have you ever heard gymnastics being mentioned as a consideration ?flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:Only bad***es get to share their opinions as categorical fact without providing an explanation or justification while simultaneously crushing the opinions of others.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 11:15 amWhy is me saying gymnastics has nothing to do with conferences affiliation make you think I think I’m a bad (I can't express myself without swearing)?flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 10:45 amNo it’s not.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:I think it does. It would be a small consideration, but a strong athletics department overall would be a consideration. Just like academics would be a consideration. Sure, 90% of the consideration is if you have a good football program that would bring in money, but the other stuff is still considered.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 8:24 amThis type of thing will have no bearing on an invite to a P5 conference.LKGates wrote:...had a huge opener at the "Best of Utah" meet, with the U, BYU, and SUU. The state has, historically, incredible gymnastics programs. USU placed second, behind U of U, with a school record 195.875 for an opening meet. Rebecca Wells won the all around, beating out Utah's Olympic medalist. Freshman Brie Clark won the floor event with a huge 9.925.
Football and men's basketball are the lynchpins of any university athletic program, but as I keep saying, great programs win in ALL sports. John Hartwell has done a phenomenal job building up all the programs in the department. You personally may not care that much, but this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference, if the opportunity ever presents itself.
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I haven’t. I have heard Market size, athletic budget, mens basketball, fan support, location, historical success in the money sports, academics ,potential for growth etc. being mentioned as factors. Never have I heard of gymnastics. Have you ?
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The B12 report about possible expansion candidates that was release showed that a school's overall athletic success was considered, but it is not a determining factor. Football is the determining factor. While Boise has the (now undeserved) reputation for football, everything else is substantially lacking, which is why they are likely a long way off on receiving a P5 invite unless there is a wholesale implosion of the P5 system.
I would not be surprised to see another round of shifting in the next couple of years and USU is currently on pace to be more favorably considered however that plays out. If USU can continue its football trend of the past decade with slight improvement in basketball (mostly meaning some NCAA tourney wins) and staying at least stable with the success of the non-revenue sports, I think USU is at least mentioned as a possibility and not outright dismissed. Expanding the football stadium and doing something about the Spectrum would really help USU as well. One other helpful factor is that neither of the other two schools in Utah have enough influence to keep USU out if a conference wants to extend an invitation. But I'm not holding my breath on any of this.
I would not be surprised to see another round of shifting in the next couple of years and USU is currently on pace to be more favorably considered however that plays out. If USU can continue its football trend of the past decade with slight improvement in basketball (mostly meaning some NCAA tourney wins) and staying at least stable with the success of the non-revenue sports, I think USU is at least mentioned as a possibility and not outright dismissed. Expanding the football stadium and doing something about the Spectrum would really help USU as well. One other helpful factor is that neither of the other two schools in Utah have enough influence to keep USU out if a conference wants to extend an invitation. But I'm not holding my breath on any of this.
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I'm sorry, this is a ridiculous straw man argument. Taken to it's logical conclusion, you would argue that the ONLY thing that counts is football. That clearly is not the case, or Boise State would have been in a P5 conference ten years ago. Football is certainly necessary, but it isn't sufficient. As stated above, there are always other considerations. The PAC-12 and Big 10, unless things change dramatically, will never take a school of the academic stature of Boise State. Those conferences still care about academics. Am I saying that academics alone will get a school into a P5? Of course not, no one is saying that. But other factors, including academics, market size, and the success of non-revenue sports do come into play if two otherwise roughly equal football schools are being evaluated. Does anyone single out gymnastics? Of course not. Again, stop putting up straw men. Don't be obtuse. But success in gymnastics contributes to the total in the category of "success in non-revenue sports". No one has ever said "we should take them because of their tennis program", or volleyball, or soccer. But it does enter into the discussion when you can say "hey, all their non-revenue sports are regularly qualifying for their respective NCAA tournaments".2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 12:22 pmIn all the years of conference realignment and potential realignment, have you ever heard gymnastics being mentioned as a consideration ?
I haven’t. I have heard Market size, athletic budget, mens basketball, fan support, location, historical success in the money sports, academics ,potential for growth etc. being mentioned as factors. Never have I heard of gymnastics. Have you ?
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Nowhere did I say the ONLY thing that counts is football. My argument is gymnastics isn't in the top 100 things that matter when it comes to conference affiliation realignment.LKGates wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 7:29 pmI'm sorry, this is a ridiculous straw man argument. Taken to it's logical conclusion, you would argue that the ONLY thing that counts is football. That clearly is not the case, or Boise State would have been in a P5 conference ten years ago. Football is certainly necessary, but it isn't sufficient. As stated above, there are always other considerations. The PAC-12 and Big 10, unless things change dramatically, will never take a school of the academic stature of Boise State. Those conferences still care about academics. Am I saying that academics alone will get a school into a P5? Of course not, no one is saying that. But other factors, including academics, market size, and the success of non-revenue sports do come into play if two otherwise roughly equal football schools are being evaluated. Does anyone single out gymnastics? Of course not. Again, stop putting up straw men. Don't be obtuse. But success in gymnastics contributes to the total in the category of "success in non-revenue sports". No one has ever said "we should take them because of their tennis program", or volleyball, or soccer. But it does enter into the discussion when you can say "hey, all their non-revenue sports are regularly qualifying for their respective NCAA tournaments".2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 12:22 pmIn all the years of conference realignment and potential realignment, have you ever heard gymnastics being mentioned as a consideration ?
I haven’t. I have heard Market size, athletic budget, mens basketball, fan support, location, historical success in the money sports, academics ,potential for growth etc. being mentioned as factors. Never have I heard of gymnastics. Have you ?
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Your exact quote was "...........this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference"
No, gymnastics (and all non revenue sports) is not the kind of thing that is critical for our potential invitation to a P5 conference. Its fun to be good in the non revenue sports for sure. But nobody gets invited to a conference based on anything other than academics, football, basketball, tv sets, market size, etc.
I'm thrilled we are ranked #11, but we need a hundred other factors to improve to be considered for a P5 conference.
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Sadly, I never made it to be used as the apparatus.Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 9:36 amswordsman1989 wrote: ↑January 9th, 2022, 10:17 amWent to all the gym meets in the mid 1990s. Of course part of it was because I had a thing for one of the team members and I got to know her in a class we both took (even went out several times...but I was a dumbass and messed that up...). But anyway, the meets were a lot of fun and the team was pretty successful back then. I'd highly recommend going to the meets, especially if you have younger kids.
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You know, it's usually a good thing to think before hitting send, which I should have done here.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 7:59 pmNowhere did I say the ONLY thing that counts is football. My argument is gymnastics isn't in the top 100 things that matter when it comes to conference affiliation realignment.LKGates wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 7:29 pmI'm sorry, this is a ridiculous straw man argument. Taken to it's logical conclusion, you would argue that the ONLY thing that counts is football. That clearly is not the case, or Boise State would have been in a P5 conference ten years ago. Football is certainly necessary, but it isn't sufficient. As stated above, there are always other considerations. The PAC-12 and Big 10, unless things change dramatically, will never take a school of the academic stature of Boise State. Those conferences still care about academics. Am I saying that academics alone will get a school into a P5? Of course not, no one is saying that. But other factors, including academics, market size, and the success of non-revenue sports do come into play if two otherwise roughly equal football schools are being evaluated. Does anyone single out gymnastics? Of course not. Again, stop putting up straw men. Don't be obtuse. But success in gymnastics contributes to the total in the category of "success in non-revenue sports". No one has ever said "we should take them because of their tennis program", or volleyball, or soccer. But it does enter into the discussion when you can say "hey, all their non-revenue sports are regularly qualifying for their respective NCAA tournaments".2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 12:22 pmIn all the years of conference realignment and potential realignment, have you ever heard gymnastics being mentioned as a consideration ?
I haven’t. I have heard Market size, athletic budget, mens basketball, fan support, location, historical success in the money sports, academics ,potential for growth etc. being mentioned as factors. Never have I heard of gymnastics. Have you ?
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Your exact quote was "...........this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference"
No, gymnastics (and all non revenue sports) is not the kind of thing that is critical for our potential invitation to a P5 conference. Its fun to be good in the non revenue sports for sure. But nobody gets invited to a conference based on anything other than academics, football, basketball, tv sets, market size, etc.
I'm thrilled we are ranked #11, but we need a hundred other factors to improve to be considered for a P5 conference.
Upon further reflection, I think I overstated my original case, and I over-reacted to your legitimate criticism. I was out of line.
I apologize.
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Wow. Somebody changed their mind in an online argument. Now I've seen it all.LKGates wrote: ↑January 12th, 2022, 6:45 pmYou know, it's usually a good thing to think before hitting send, which I should have done here.2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 7:59 pmNowhere did I say the ONLY thing that counts is football. My argument is gymnastics isn't in the top 100 things that matter when it comes to conference affiliation realignment.LKGates wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 7:29 pmI'm sorry, this is a ridiculous straw man argument. Taken to it's logical conclusion, you would argue that the ONLY thing that counts is football. That clearly is not the case, or Boise State would have been in a P5 conference ten years ago. Football is certainly necessary, but it isn't sufficient. As stated above, there are always other considerations. The PAC-12 and Big 10, unless things change dramatically, will never take a school of the academic stature of Boise State. Those conferences still care about academics. Am I saying that academics alone will get a school into a P5? Of course not, no one is saying that. But other factors, including academics, market size, and the success of non-revenue sports do come into play if two otherwise roughly equal football schools are being evaluated. Does anyone single out gymnastics? Of course not. Again, stop putting up straw men. Don't be obtuse. But success in gymnastics contributes to the total in the category of "success in non-revenue sports". No one has ever said "we should take them because of their tennis program", or volleyball, or soccer. But it does enter into the discussion when you can say "hey, all their non-revenue sports are regularly qualifying for their respective NCAA tournaments".2004AG wrote: ↑January 11th, 2022, 12:22 pmIn all the years of conference realignment and potential realignment, have you ever heard gymnastics being mentioned as a consideration ?
I haven’t. I have heard Market size, athletic budget, mens basketball, fan support, location, historical success in the money sports, academics ,potential for growth etc. being mentioned as factors. Never have I heard of gymnastics. Have you ?
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Your exact quote was "...........this is the kind of thing that may make the critical difference in an invitation to a P5 conference"
No, gymnastics (and all non revenue sports) is not the kind of thing that is critical for our potential invitation to a P5 conference. Its fun to be good in the non revenue sports for sure. But nobody gets invited to a conference based on anything other than academics, football, basketball, tv sets, market size, etc.
I'm thrilled we are ranked #11, but we need a hundred other factors to improve to be considered for a P5 conference.
Upon further reflection, I think I overstated my original case, and I over-reacted to your legitimate criticism. I was out of line.
I apologize.
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I went to a few gymnastics meets at USU and won't ever forget them. Totally fun and entertaining and so much happening at once that I was never once bored. Mrs. 918AGG also went and loved it.
If I lived in the area, I'd go to as many meets as possible.
If I lived in the area, I'd go to as many meets as possible.
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Unless it was a tri or quad meet only on thing was happening at a time, except warm ups.918AGG wrote:I went to a few gymnastics meets at USU and won't ever forget them. Totally fun and entertaining and so much happening at once that I was never once bored. Mrs. 918AGG also went and loved it.
If I lived in the area, I'd go to as many meets as possible.
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I think it was tri. USU, BYU and SUU (?) IIRC.TheAKAggie wrote: ↑January 13th, 2022, 10:33 pmUnless it was a tri or quad meet only on thing was happening at a time, except warm ups.918AGG wrote:I went to a few gymnastics meets at USU and won't ever forget them. Totally fun and entertaining and so much happening at once that I was never once bored. Mrs. 918AGG also went and loved it.
If I lived in the area, I'd go to as many meets as possible.
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The ewe was there, too. They do the event every year.918AGG wrote: ↑January 14th, 2022, 10:31 amI think it was tri. USU, BYU and SUU (?) IIRC.TheAKAggie wrote: ↑January 13th, 2022, 10:33 pmUnless it was a tri or quad meet only on thing was happening at a time, except warm ups.918AGG wrote:I went to a few gymnastics meets at USU and won't ever forget them. Totally fun and entertaining and so much happening at once that I was never once bored. Mrs. 918AGG also went and loved it.
If I lived in the area, I'd go to as many meets as possible.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Gymnastics meets are a lot of fun. I have been to a few. I have even taken my girls to a couple of Ute gymnastics meets (please don't throw stones).
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In week one Utah was ranked 4 we were ranked 11 BYU was 12 and shockingly SUU was 16 nationally. I knew the U was great at gymnastics but I had no idea how dominant the whole state it. Kind of like how Utah dominates college football rankings