Utah Jazz 2021-22 thread

SSaggie · Post by **SSaggie** » June 4th, 2022, 9:44 pm

How do Ainge and Snyder get along? I think they both have proven they can excel at their respective jobs. I hope the Jazz do what they can to keep Snyder.

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Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » June 5th, 2022, 10:57 am

SSaggie wrote: ↑
June 4th, 2022, 9:44 pm
How do Ainge and Snyder get along? I think they both have proven they can excel at their respective jobs. I hope the Jazz do what they can to keep Snyder.

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Don't let good be the enemy of great. In the last decade Golden State, Cleveland, Toronto, Dallas and Boston all made controversial coaching changes and it worked out better for them. This Jazz team badly needs a fresh voice. The Snyder era needs to end.

brownjeans · Post by **brownjeans** » June 5th, 2022, 1:19 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
June 5th, 2022, 10:57 am

SSaggie wrote: ↑
June 4th, 2022, 9:44 pm
How do Ainge and Snyder get along? I think they both have proven they can excel at their respective jobs. I hope the Jazz do what they can to keep Snyder.

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Don't let good be the enemy of great. In the last decade Golden State, Cleveland, Toronto, Dallas and Boston all made controversial coaching changes and it worked out better for them. This Jazz team badly needs a fresh voice. The Snyder era needs to end.

You can probably find more examples of teams that fired a playoff coach only to get worse.

Not that I think we should keep Snyder, especially if he isn't supportive of letting Ainge do his job, just saying coaching changes aren't a silver bullet.

SSaggie · Post by **SSaggie** » June 5th, 2022, 3:41 pm

Well Snyder is gone

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Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » June 5th, 2022, 3:45 pm

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June 5th, 2022, 3:41 pm
Well Snyder is gone

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Good news. It was time. More changes are sure to come.

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » June 5th, 2022, 5:30 pm

It's unlikely they hire a better coach than Snyder, but I'm not convinced you need a top 3 coach to win it all. A new voice will probably be good.

Intermeddler · Post by **Intermeddler** » June 5th, 2022, 10:42 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
June 5th, 2022, 5:30 pm
It's unlikely they hire a better coach than Snyder, but I'm not convinced you need a top 3 coach to win it all. A new voice will probably be good.

I agree that the new hire could certainly be worse in the abstract, but a new voice is needed.

As good as people think he is, and I understand he is very respected by people who know far more than I do, we regularly won fewer games than our point differential would predict we would, his playoff record was bad, we blew 3-1 and 2-0 leads in consecutive years. We had 3 game losing streaks (or longer) in every playoff series under him that we lost until the Dallas series. We couldn't beat Dallas without Luka for 3 games or the Clippers without Leonard for 3 games, if we weren't making 3s at a high volume his system didn't really work that well.

People on Twitter seem underwhelmed by the idea of Terry Stotts replacing him but he has advanced further in the playoffs than Snyder and rarely had a top 3 team in the West.

Overall, I think he is a good coach, but not a great one. I think as his staff (Igor and Bryant especially) have been poached we have steadily gotten worse. I think he will be in high demand after his year hiatus and would be a great fit for a lot of teams but I think he had lost his juice with this team.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » June 5th, 2022, 11:04 pm

Intermeddler wrote: ↑
June 5th, 2022, 10:42 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
June 5th, 2022, 5:30 pm
It's unlikely they hire a better coach than Snyder, but I'm not convinced you need a top 3 coach to win it all. A new voice will probably be good.
I agree that the new hire could certainly be worse in the abstract, but a new voice is needed.

As good as people think he is, and I understand he is very respected by people who know far more than I do, we regularly won fewer games than our point differential would predict we would, his playoff record was bad, we blew 3-1 and 2-0 leads in consecutive years. We had 3 game losing streaks (or longer) in every playoff series under him that we lost until the Dallas series. We couldn't beat Dallas without Luka for 3 games or the Clippers without Leonard for 3 games, if we weren't making 3s at a high volume his system didn't really work that well.

People on Twitter seem underwhelmed by the idea of Terry Stotts replacing him but he has advanced further in the playoffs than Snyder and rarely had a top 3 team in the West.

Overall, I think he is a good coach, but not a great one. I think as his staff (Igor and Bryant especially) have been poached we have steadily gotten worse. I think he will be in high demand after his year hiatus and would be a great fit for a lot of teams but I think he had lost his juice with this team.

Yeah he is a good basketball mind, but making adjustments in the playoffs or holding players accountable werent his strong suits. He's had 3 straight years of playoff disappointments where the jazz had the better roster(considering the Kawhi and luka injuries) and series leads yet lost. It seemed like other teams got stronger while the jazz got weaker over the course of a series.

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » June 6th, 2022, 9:48 am

Blow it all up. Pick up as many assets as you can for Rudy and Donovan.

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » June 6th, 2022, 2:15 pm

brownjeans · Post by **brownjeans** » June 6th, 2022, 4:38 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
June 6th, 2022, 9:48 am
Blow it all up. Pick up as many assets as you can for Rudy and Donovan.

Don't be shy about a blow up. If Rudy and Donovan stay, it's not a blow up. Negotiate a Paul-George-type trade with Donovan somewhere.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » June 6th, 2022, 9:30 pm

Unless Mitchell really throws a fit demanding to be moved he ain't going anywhere. The team will build around him going forward. He is one of the best scorers in the league and just entering his prime with 3 years left on his contract. You don't trade that away with the hope that you might draft well.

brownjeans · Post by **brownjeans** » June 6th, 2022, 9:38 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
June 6th, 2022, 9:30 pm
Unless Mitchell really throws a fit demanding to be moved he ain't going anywhere. The team will build around him going forward. He is one of the best scorers in the league and just entering his prime with 3 years left on his contract. You don't trade that away with the hope that you might draft well.

Maybe, or maybe Mitchell is more Stephon Marbury than Stephen Curry

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » June 6th, 2022, 9:57 pm

brownjeans wrote: ↑
June 6th, 2022, 9:38 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
June 6th, 2022, 9:30 pm
Unless Mitchell really throws a fit demanding to be moved he ain't going anywhere. The team will build around him going forward. He is one of the best scorers in the league and just entering his prime with 3 years left on his contract. You don't trade that away with the hope that you might draft well.
Maybe, or maybe Mitchell is more Stephon Marbury than Stephen Curry

Unfair to compare him to either.

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » June 6th, 2022, 10:09 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
June 6th, 2022, 9:57 pm

brownjeans wrote: ↑
June 6th, 2022, 9:38 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
June 6th, 2022, 9:30 pm
Unless Mitchell really throws a fit demanding to be moved he ain't going anywhere. The team will build around him going forward. He is one of the best scorers in the league and just entering his prime with 3 years left on his contract. You don't trade that away with the hope that you might draft well.
Maybe, or maybe Mitchell is more Stephon Marbury than Stephen Curry
Unfair to compare him to either.

Do you let him run the franchise knowing that he's gone as soon as he's able, assuming he doesn't demand a trade even sooner? It seems that may be the kind of power he wants.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » June 6th, 2022, 10:23 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
June 6th, 2022, 10:09 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
June 6th, 2022, 9:57 pm

brownjeans wrote: ↑
June 6th, 2022, 9:38 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
June 6th, 2022, 9:30 pm
Unless Mitchell really throws a fit demanding to be moved he ain't going anywhere. The team will build around him going forward. He is one of the best scorers in the league and just entering his prime with 3 years left on his contract. You don't trade that away with the hope that you might draft well.
Maybe, or maybe Mitchell is more Stephon Marbury than Stephen Curry
Unfair to compare him to either.
Do you let him run the franchise knowing that he's gone as soon as he's able, assuming he doesn't demand a trade even sooner? It seems that may be the kind of power he wants.

Too many years left on his contract. I wouldn't worry too much about his free agency at this point. If you are going to trade an All Star just entering his prime, you better get something special in return.

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