If the B12 was smart

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » September 1st, 2021, 3:20 pm

they would snatch up all three service academies and rename it the Big Twelve USA.

LoveMyAggies · Post by **LoveMyAggies** » September 1st, 2021, 3:42 pm

ViAggie wrote:they would snatch up all three service academies and rename it the Big Twelve USA.

Afa needs to stay in the Mwc along with CSU

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » September 1st, 2021, 4:06 pm

LoveMyAggies wrote: ↑
September 1st, 2021, 3:42 pm

ViAggie wrote:they would snatch up all three service academies and rename it the Big Twelve USA.

Afa needs to stay in the Mwc along with CSU

I agree, just sayin' it would be smart. I don't want to lose AFA either.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » September 1st, 2021, 6:59 pm

If the Big 12 was smart they would have gotten the ball rolling already. I hope the teams are fractured enough that at least half of them don't care about the conference and are hoping to jump ship. WVU to ACC, Kansas+1 to Big 10, and maybe some others. It would be best for us if the Big 12 just dissolved and we snatched up a handful of Texas teams. I think most would head to the AAC first though. And hopefully if the Big 12 makes it, they trash the AAC and leave our conference alone.

TheAKAggie · Post by **TheAKAggie** » September 1st, 2021, 7:49 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:If the Big 12 was smart they would have gotten the ball rolling already. I hope the teams are fractured enough that at least half of them don't care about the conference and are hoping to jump ship. WVU to ACC, Kansas+1 to Big 10, and maybe some others. It would be best for us if the Big 12 just dissolved and we snatched up a handful of Texas teams. I think most would head to the AAC first though. And hopefully if the Big 12 makes it, they trash the AAC and leave our conference alone.

ACC holding that 16th spot for the Golden Domers.

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Mr. Sneelock · Post by **Mr. Sneelock** » September 2nd, 2021, 10:16 am

I think the Big-12 will add 4 teams - likely BYU, UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati. That would really hurt the AAC, and potentially give the MWC a chance to bring in a refugee or two if it wants. The other Big-12 schools will likely continue looking for new homes leading to additional Big-12 instability going forward.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » September 2nd, 2021, 11:36 am

Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2021, 10:16 am
I think the Big-12 will add 4 teams - likely BYU, UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati. That would really hurt the AAC, and potentially give the MWC a chance to bring in a refugee or two if it wants. The other Big-12 schools will likely continue looking for new homes leading to additional Big-12 instability going forward.

Houston and Tulsa? Maybe snag Wichita State and entice the Zags to come along? Either scenario is fine, all I know is that Bozo State is not getting invited to the B12

Mr. Sneelock · Post by **Mr. Sneelock** » September 2nd, 2021, 11:51 am

I don't really care much what happens to Boise.

Aggieiester · Post by **Aggieiester** » September 2nd, 2021, 11:52 am

ViAggie wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2021, 11:36 am

Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2021, 10:16 am
I think the Big-12 will add 4 teams - likely BYU, UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati. That would really hurt the AAC, and potentially give the MWC a chance to bring in a refugee or two if it wants. The other Big-12 schools will likely continue looking for new homes leading to additional Big-12 instability going forward.
Houston and Tulsa? Maybe snag Wichita State and entice the Zags to come along? Either scenario is fine, all I know is that Bozo State is not getting invited to the B12

That's what I think, either 2 or 4 with BYU and UCF being #1 and #2. One thing that may come in to play is that if I'm BYU I'm pushing for another western school in the 4 team expansion scenario. BYU has some leverage to negotiate this time.

Mr. Sneelock · Post by **Mr. Sneelock** » September 2nd, 2021, 12:56 pm

Aggieiester wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2021, 11:52 am

ViAggie wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2021, 11:36 am

Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2021, 10:16 am
I think the Big-12 will add 4 teams - likely BYU, UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati. That would really hurt the AAC, and potentially give the MWC a chance to bring in a refugee or two if it wants. The other Big-12 schools will likely continue looking for new homes leading to additional Big-12 instability going forward.
Houston and Tulsa? Maybe snag Wichita State and entice the Zags to come along? Either scenario is fine, all I know is that Bozo State is not getting invited to the B12
That's what I think, either 2 or 4 with BYU and UCF being #1 and #2. One thing that may come in to play is that if I'm BYU I'm pushing for another western school in the 4 team expansion scenario. BYU has some leverage to negotiate this time.

They might have some leverage this time, but it would be hilarious if they over-played their hand again.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » September 2nd, 2021, 2:24 pm

Would byu go for all sports or just football? If it is for all sports, the MW has to be more attractive for Gonzaga. Gonzaga is at the top of the basketball world right now, do they really want to waste these years playing against Portland and Pepperdine?

Imakeitrain · Post by **Imakeitrain** » September 2nd, 2021, 4:52 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2021, 2:24 pm
Would byu go for all sports or just football? If it is for all sports, the MW has to be more attractive for Gonzaga. Gonzaga is at the top of the basketball world right now, do they really want to waste these years playing against Portland and Pepperdine?

It has worked so far. But the zags in Olympic sports for the mwc would be incredible.

Post by **aggies22** » September 6th, 2021, 5:05 am

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2021, 2:24 pm
Would byu go for all sports or just football? If it is for all sports, the MW has to be more attractive for Gonzaga. Gonzaga is at the top of the basketball world right now, do they really want to waste these years playing against Portland and Pepperdine?

They have been content to do just that so far.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » September 6th, 2021, 6:32 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
September 6th, 2021, 5:05 am

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2021, 2:24 pm
Would byu go for all sports or just football? If it is for all sports, the MW has to be more attractive for Gonzaga. Gonzaga is at the top of the basketball world right now, do they really want to waste these years playing against Portland and Pepperdine?
They have been content to just that so far.

Yep, although without byu the conference drops off in basketball and are a 1.5 bid league depending on how St Mary's is doing. They are also in a different position than they were 10 years ago when byu entered the league. The Gonzaga of today is on a higher level than the Gonzaga of the 00's. Mark Few has also expressed frustration with how bad the rest of the league has been.

Post by **GeoAg** » September 6th, 2021, 7:31 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2021, 2:24 pm
Would byu go for all sports or just football? If it is for all sports, the MW has to be more attractive for Gonzaga. Gonzaga is at the top of the basketball world right now, do they really want to waste these years playing against Portland and Pepperdine?

They will go all sports

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » September 7th, 2021, 11:25 am

ViAggie wrote: ↑
September 1st, 2021, 3:20 pm
they would snatch up all three service academies and rename it the Big Twelve USA.

I know it's all about the money, but playing 3 triple-option teams a year would be AWFUL. Your defensive line would be lucky to ever make it through a season without multiple blown-out knees.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » September 7th, 2021, 11:36 am

How sustainable is it to play all sports in a league that stretches from Utah to Florida? Even for schools with large athletic budgets, that just seems like a recipe for disaster. No historical or regional rivalries may lead to lack of fan interest. Sure there may be a novelty in playing Iowa State and Oklahoma State at first - like you're playing in a big-time conference, but will that last over time? That has to get expensive when you drag all sports across that broad of a geographic area to play.

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » September 7th, 2021, 11:50 am

Yossarian wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 11:36 am
How sustainable is it to play all sports in a league that stretches from Utah to Florida? Even for schools with large athletic budgets, that just seems like a recipe for disaster. No historical or regional rivalries may lead to lack of fan interest. Sure there may be a novelty in playing Iowa State and Oklahoma State at first - like you're playing in a big-time conference, but will that last over time? That has to get expensive when you drag all sports across that broad of a geographic area to play.

Ryan Smith will probably just buy BYU a fleet of private jets. Not sure what the rest of the schools will do, though.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » September 7th, 2021, 12:00 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 11:36 am
How sustainable is it to play all sports in a league that stretches from Utah to Florida? Even for schools with large athletic budgets, that just seems like a recipe for disaster. No historical or regional rivalries may lead to lack of fan interest. Sure there may be a novelty in playing Iowa State and Oklahoma State at first - like you're playing in a big-time conference, but will that last over time? That has to get expensive when you drag all sports across that broad of a geographic area to play.

For football it makes sense, but for minor sports it seems crazy on its face. Have fun with those trips to West Virginia and Central Florida. We will see what the money deal they get is. ESPN wants to kill the Big 12 so I can't see ESPN being a key player in any future Big 12 deals.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » September 7th, 2021, 12:51 pm

I will laugh my a$$ off if ybu joins the B12 Lite and it goes full Big East on them.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » September 7th, 2021, 1:21 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 12:51 pm
I will laugh my a$$ off if ybu joins the B12 Lite and it goes full Big East on them.

That probably will happen. The Big 12 is hanging by a thread. If the ACC expands, West Virginia is gone. If the Big 10 wants to go to 16, they could easily pick up a few teams.

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » September 7th, 2021, 2:12 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 1:21 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 12:51 pm
I will laugh my a$$ off if ybu joins the B12 Lite and it goes full Big East on them.
That probably will happen. The Big 12 is hanging by a thread. If the ACC expands, West Virginia is gone. If the Big 10 wants to go to 16, they could easily pick up a few teams.

In that situation the leftovers (BYU, Houston, UCF....) hang on to the Big 12 name and invite Boise, Memphis, etc. and just have the top G5 conference. I think that scenario would screw Utah State over in a big way.

It would be huge geographically, but that's what would happen.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » September 7th, 2021, 2:38 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 2:12 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 1:21 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 12:51 pm
I will laugh my a$$ off if ybu joins the B12 Lite and it goes full Big East on them.
That probably will happen. The Big 12 is hanging by a thread. If the ACC expands, West Virginia is gone. If the Big 10 wants to go to 16, they could easily pick up a few teams.
In that situation the leftovers (BYU, Houston, UCF....) hang on to the Big 12 name and invite Boise, Memphis, etc. and just have the top G5 conference. I think that scenario would screw Utah State over in a big way.

It would be huge geographically, but that's what would happen.

Meh, they'd still be a far flug (geographically) G6 conference.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » September 7th, 2021, 2:53 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 2:12 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 1:21 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 12:51 pm
I will laugh my a$$ off if ybu joins the B12 Lite and it goes full Big East on them.
That probably will happen. The Big 12 is hanging by a thread. If the ACC expands, West Virginia is gone. If the Big 10 wants to go to 16, they could easily pick up a few teams.
In that situation the leftovers (BYU, Houston, UCF....) hang on to the Big 12 name and invite Boise, Memphis, etc. and just have the top G5 conference. I think that scenario would screw Utah State over in a big way.

It would be huge geographically, but that's what would happen.

Maybe, but what is the point? It would clearly be a g5 level conference. The cost benefit analysis of traveling across the country wouldnt be worth it for most schools in a g5 equivalent league.

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » September 7th, 2021, 7:04 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 2:53 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 2:12 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 1:21 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2021, 12:51 pm
I will laugh my a$$ off if ybu joins the B12 Lite and it goes full Big East on them.
That probably will happen. The Big 12 is hanging by a thread. If the ACC expands, West Virginia is gone. If the Big 10 wants to go to 16, they could easily pick up a few teams.
In that situation the leftovers (BYU, Houston, UCF....) hang on to the Big 12 name and invite Boise, Memphis, etc. and just have the top G5 conference. I think that scenario would screw Utah State over in a big way.

It would be huge geographically, but that's what would happen.
Maybe, but what is the point? It would clearly be a g5 level conference. The cost benefit analysis of traveling across the country wouldnt be worth it for most schools in a g5 equivalent league.

I'm not convinced the Boise's and BYU's of the world have the ability to see that the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side.

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