Utah High School athletics realignment - impact on Cache Valley schools

rAggie · Post by **rAggie** » December 13th, 2024, 11:37 pm

The second consideration for UHSAA realignment for 2025-27 is out and it breaks up what has been a tremendous region for Cache Valley by moving Logan down to 3A. In the new proposal, 3A North would be Ben Lomond, Grantsville, Logan, Morgan, Ogden, and Union, and there'd be a 3A South with Canyon View, Carbon, Cedar, Juab, Manti, North Sanpete, and Richfield. These are for football only, in all other activities/sports, 3A Region 12 would be the aforementioned from the north and Layton Christian, Providence Hall, and Summit Academy.

Meanwhile, the 4A region with the rest of the Cache schools would be Bear River, Deseret Peak (new school in Tooele), Green Canyon, Mountain Crest, Ridgeline, Sky View, Stansbury, and Tooele.

It's a shame to see this but Logan's administration has been, in my opinion, screwing the pooch for quite some time and they're completely punting on having competitive athletics. For football, there's been a problem with a revolving door of coaching staffs, little support, and no teachers willing to be assistant coaches (last year's staff had not a single assistant who taught at the school). When you dig into the issues, virtually everyone who comes along gets quickly tired of working with the administration.

The people who are most vocal about Logan dropping to 3A will tell you that "Logan was 3A before and it didn't hurt anything" but what they refuse to acknowledge is that when Logan went 3A in 2005, there were only 5 divisions, and then the second time when they went to 3AA, it was the equivalent of what is 4A today. The average travel distance to these new schools is 100+ miles, the parents who already struggle to afford to watch their kids play (Logan High is about 40 percent economically disadvantaged, I believe) will have an even tougher time, and I suspect you're going to see a death spiral of a lot of participation at Logan, with those students who are serious about their activities looking to transfer to one of the other valley schools.

Sad times to see how my old alma mater has fallen.

Bullnamed_gus · Post by **Bullnamed_gus** » December 14th, 2024, 12:35 am

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 13th, 2024, 11:37 pm
The second consideration for UHSAA realignment for 2025-27 is out and it breaks up what has been a tremendous region for Cache Valley by moving Logan down to 3A. In the new proposal, 3A North would be Ben Lomond, Grantsville, Logan, Morgan, Ogden, and Union, and there'd be a 3A South with Canyon View, Carbon, Cedar, Juab, Manti, North Sanpete, and Richfield. These are for football only, in all other activities/sports, 3A Region 12 would be the aforementioned from the north and Layton Christian, Providence Hall, and Summit Academy.

Meanwhile, the 4A region with the rest of the Cache schools would be Bear River, Deseret Peak (new school in Tooele), Green Canyon, Mountain Crest, Ridgeline, Sky View, Stansbury, and Tooele.

It's a shame to see this but Logan's administration has been, in my opinion, screwing the pooch for quite some time and they're completely punting on having competitive athletics. For football, there's been a problem with a revolving door of coaching staffs, little support, and no teachers willing to be assistant coaches (last year's staff had not a single assistant who taught at the school). When you dig into the issues, virtually everyone who comes along gets quickly tired of working with the administration.

The people who are most vocal about Logan dropping to 3A will tell you that "Logan was 3A before and it didn't hurt anything" but what they refuse to acknowledge is that when Logan went 3A in 2005, there were only 5 divisions, and then the second time when they went to 3AA, it was the equivalent of what is 4A today. The average travel distance to these new schools is 100+ miles, the parents who already struggle to afford to watch their kids play (Logan High is about 40 percent economically disadvantaged, I believe) will have an even tougher time, and I suspect you're going to see a death spiral of a lot of participation at Logan, with those students who are serious about their activities looking to transfer to one of the other valley schools.

Sad times to see how my old alma mater has fallen.

That Region going from Tooele to Logan is absolutely insane.

UHSAA is a bunch of idiots so it not surprising but what they should really do is all the Cache Valley Schools, Fremont, Weber, Roy and West Field. bump the the CVs up to 5A, bump Fremont and Weber down.

No School davis county or north should be 6A anyway.

Hoot · Post by **Hoot** » December 14th, 2024, 8:34 am

Sounds like Hoot needs to start smoking a pipe and get his teaching license. Logan High school needs me. (And then I can once again go to all Aggie events)

The Autumn wind is a Grizzly

trevordude · Post by **trevordude** » December 14th, 2024, 9:06 am

I suppose there is a balance between competitive play and travel, but I would lean towards the travel aspect. Soften up your OOC play, lean into the sport or two you have the best future with, and don't sacrifice the best travel region for 2 more football wins a year

OKAggie · Post by **OKAggie** » December 14th, 2024, 9:11 am

What's the rationale for having different regions and classification cutoffs for football and for all other sports/activities?

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » December 14th, 2024, 9:36 am

OKAggie wrote: ↑
December 14th, 2024, 9:11 am
What's the rationale for having different regions and classification cutoffs for football and for all other sports/activities?

They made exceptions for Ogden and Ben Lomond, because they could never compete with the Cache and Box Elder schools in football, not to mention the Weber County schools. Now they're stuck with the precedent.

Stucki · Post by **Stucki** » December 14th, 2024, 9:47 am

Ogden and Ben Lomond are able to go down because of the high number of students on free and reduced lunch.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » December 14th, 2024, 12:36 pm

USU78 wrote: ↑
December 14th, 2024, 9:36 am

OKAggie wrote: ↑
December 14th, 2024, 9:11 am
What's the rationale for having different regions and classification cutoffs for football and for all other sports/activities?
They made exceptions for Ogden and Ben Lomond, because they could never compete with the Cache and Box Elder schools in football, not to mention the Weber County schools. Now they're stuck with the precedent.

And Ogden and Ben Lomond haven't even been competitive in 3A.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » December 14th, 2024, 12:41 pm

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑
December 14th, 2024, 12:35 am

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 13th, 2024, 11:37 pm
The second consideration for UHSAA realignment for 2025-27 is out and it breaks up what has been a tremendous region for Cache Valley by moving Logan down to 3A. In the new proposal, 3A North would be Ben Lomond, Grantsville, Logan, Morgan, Ogden, and Union, and there'd be a 3A South with Canyon View, Carbon, Cedar, Juab, Manti, North Sanpete, and Richfield. These are for football only, in all other activities/sports, 3A Region 12 would be the aforementioned from the north and Layton Christian, Providence Hall, and Summit Academy.

Meanwhile, the 4A region with the rest of the Cache schools would be Bear River, Deseret Peak (new school in Tooele), Green Canyon, Mountain Crest, Ridgeline, Sky View, Stansbury, and Tooele.

It's a shame to see this but Logan's administration has been, in my opinion, screwing the pooch for quite some time and they're completely punting on having competitive athletics. For football, there's been a problem with a revolving door of coaching staffs, little support, and no teachers willing to be assistant coaches (last year's staff had not a single assistant who taught at the school). When you dig into the issues, virtually everyone who comes along gets quickly tired of working with the administration.

The people who are most vocal about Logan dropping to 3A will tell you that "Logan was 3A before and it didn't hurt anything" but what they refuse to acknowledge is that when Logan went 3A in 2005, there were only 5 divisions, and then the second time when they went to 3AA, it was the equivalent of what is 4A today. The average travel distance to these new schools is 100+ miles, the parents who already struggle to afford to watch their kids play (Logan High is about 40 percent economically disadvantaged, I believe) will have an even tougher time, and I suspect you're going to see a death spiral of a lot of participation at Logan, with those students who are serious about their activities looking to transfer to one of the other valley schools.

Sad times to see how my old alma mater has fallen.
That Region going from Tooele to Logan is absolutely insane.

UHSAA is a bunch of idiots so it not surprising but what they should really do is all the Cache Valley Schools, Fremont, Weber, Roy and West Field. bump the the CVs up to 5A, bump Fremont and Weber down.

No School davis county or north should be 6A anyway.

That's nothing. When I was in high school, there were 4 classifications and my high school was 2A. We would travel as far north as Park City, east to Vernal and Moab, southeast to San Juan, southwest to Hurricane, and up to Delta. 4 hours on a bus and then having to change clothes in the locker room and play a ball game on the road and then shower, load up, and drive back home and get home in the early morning hours - that is a road game.

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » December 14th, 2024, 12:46 pm

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑
December 14th, 2024, 12:35 am

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 13th, 2024, 11:37 pm
The second consideration for UHSAA realignment for 2025-27 is out and it breaks up what has been a tremendous region for Cache Valley by moving Logan down to 3A. In the new proposal, 3A North would be Ben Lomond, Grantsville, Logan, Morgan, Ogden, and Union, and there'd be a 3A South with Canyon View, Carbon, Cedar, Juab, Manti, North Sanpete, and Richfield. These are for football only, in all other activities/sports, 3A Region 12 would be the aforementioned from the north and Layton Christian, Providence Hall, and Summit Academy.

Meanwhile, the 4A region with the rest of the Cache schools would be Bear River, Deseret Peak (new school in Tooele), Green Canyon, Mountain Crest, Ridgeline, Sky View, Stansbury, and Tooele.

It's a shame to see this but Logan's administration has been, in my opinion, screwing the pooch for quite some time and they're completely punting on having competitive athletics. For football, there's been a problem with a revolving door of coaching staffs, little support, and no teachers willing to be assistant coaches (last year's staff had not a single assistant who taught at the school). When you dig into the issues, virtually everyone who comes along gets quickly tired of working with the administration.

The people who are most vocal about Logan dropping to 3A will tell you that "Logan was 3A before and it didn't hurt anything" but what they refuse to acknowledge is that when Logan went 3A in 2005, there were only 5 divisions, and then the second time when they went to 3AA, it was the equivalent of what is 4A today. The average travel distance to these new schools is 100+ miles, the parents who already struggle to afford to watch their kids play (Logan High is about 40 percent economically disadvantaged, I believe) will have an even tougher time, and I suspect you're going to see a death spiral of a lot of participation at Logan, with those students who are serious about their activities looking to transfer to one of the other valley schools.

Sad times to see how my old alma mater has fallen.
That Region going from Tooele to Logan is absolutely insane.

UHSAA is a bunch of idiots so it not surprising but what they should really do is all the Cache Valley Schools, Fremont, Weber, Roy and West Field. bump the the CVs up to 5A, bump Fremont and Weber down.

No School davis county or north should be 6A anyway.

I work in a community with a 1A school. The travel those kids do is far more than the 5A-6A schools. Last season I drove 3 1/2 one way hours to watch a volleyball game, and the nearest region school to is over 90 minutes away.

This is often lost in the discussion of remote schools across the state. Smaller schools just have to travel more since they aren’t in along the Wasatch front.

As a side note the Barrow, AK Whalers have to fly several hours for the 10 sports they sponsor. That is some serious travel.

WasatchAggie · Post by **WasatchAggie** » December 16th, 2024, 1:07 pm

This isn't the first time this has happened. Sky View either went 4A or Logan dropped down to 3A in the late 70s or early 80s. And Sky View used to be in Region 1 then as well.

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » December 16th, 2024, 1:14 pm

Logan wanted to dominate in a smaller pond when I was in HS too, and dropped down to 3A back then as well. It's something they do every once and a while.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » December 16th, 2024, 5:00 pm

In CA, at least in the Southern Section, you are basically put in the league where your school will be most competitive and fit geographically, regardless of size. You might be in one league for FB and a completely different league for BB. Your Women's/Girls' soccer team might be ripping it up; they'll place them accordingly, and so on. It's no longer a one-size-fits-all model based on student population.

Sl7vk · Post by **Sl7vk** » December 16th, 2024, 5:05 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
December 14th, 2024, 12:41 pm

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑
December 14th, 2024, 12:35 am

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 13th, 2024, 11:37 pm
The second consideration for UHSAA realignment for 2025-27 is out and it breaks up what has been a tremendous region for Cache Valley by moving Logan down to 3A. In the new proposal, 3A North would be Ben Lomond, Grantsville, Logan, Morgan, Ogden, and Union, and there'd be a 3A South with Canyon View, Carbon, Cedar, Juab, Manti, North Sanpete, and Richfield. These are for football only, in all other activities/sports, 3A Region 12 would be the aforementioned from the north and Layton Christian, Providence Hall, and Summit Academy.

Meanwhile, the 4A region with the rest of the Cache schools would be Bear River, Deseret Peak (new school in Tooele), Green Canyon, Mountain Crest, Ridgeline, Sky View, Stansbury, and Tooele.

It's a shame to see this but Logan's administration has been, in my opinion, screwing the pooch for quite some time and they're completely punting on having competitive athletics. For football, there's been a problem with a revolving door of coaching staffs, little support, and no teachers willing to be assistant coaches (last year's staff had not a single assistant who taught at the school). When you dig into the issues, virtually everyone who comes along gets quickly tired of working with the administration.

The people who are most vocal about Logan dropping to 3A will tell you that "Logan was 3A before and it didn't hurt anything" but what they refuse to acknowledge is that when Logan went 3A in 2005, there were only 5 divisions, and then the second time when they went to 3AA, it was the equivalent of what is 4A today. The average travel distance to these new schools is 100+ miles, the parents who already struggle to afford to watch their kids play (Logan High is about 40 percent economically disadvantaged, I believe) will have an even tougher time, and I suspect you're going to see a death spiral of a lot of participation at Logan, with those students who are serious about their activities looking to transfer to one of the other valley schools.

Sad times to see how my old alma mater has fallen.
That Region going from Tooele to Logan is absolutely insane.

UHSAA is a bunch of idiots so it not surprising but what they should really do is all the Cache Valley Schools, Fremont, Weber, Roy and West Field. bump the the CVs up to 5A, bump Fremont and Weber down.

No School davis county or north should be 6A anyway.
That's nothing. When I was in high school, there were 4 classifications and my high school was 2A. We would travel as far north as Park City, east to Vernal and Moab, southeast to San Juan, southwest to Hurricane, and up to Delta. 4 hours on a bus and then having to change clothes in the locker room and play a ball game on the road and then shower, load up, and drive back home and get home in the early morning hours - that is a road game.

Yeah, I endured this coming from Park City.

Roy McAvoy · Post by **Roy McAvoy** » December 18th, 2024, 10:46 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑
December 14th, 2024, 12:35 am

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 13th, 2024, 11:37 pm
The second consideration for UHSAA realignment for 2025-27 is out and it breaks up what has been a tremendous region for Cache Valley by moving Logan down to 3A. In the new proposal, 3A North would be Ben Lomond, Grantsville, Logan, Morgan, Ogden, and Union, and there'd be a 3A South with Canyon View, Carbon, Cedar, Juab, Manti, North Sanpete, and Richfield. These are for football only, in all other activities/sports, 3A Region 12 would be the aforementioned from the north and Layton Christian, Providence Hall, and Summit Academy.

Meanwhile, the 4A region with the rest of the Cache schools would be Bear River, Deseret Peak (new school in Tooele), Green Canyon, Mountain Crest, Ridgeline, Sky View, Stansbury, and Tooele.

It's a shame to see this but Logan's administration has been, in my opinion, screwing the pooch for quite some time and they're completely punting on having competitive athletics. For football, there's been a problem with a revolving door of coaching staffs, little support, and no teachers willing to be assistant coaches (last year's staff had not a single assistant who taught at the school). When you dig into the issues, virtually everyone who comes along gets quickly tired of working with the administration.

The people who are most vocal about Logan dropping to 3A will tell you that "Logan was 3A before and it didn't hurt anything" but what they refuse to acknowledge is that when Logan went 3A in 2005, there were only 5 divisions, and then the second time when they went to 3AA, it was the equivalent of what is 4A today. The average travel distance to these new schools is 100+ miles, the parents who already struggle to afford to watch their kids play (Logan High is about 40 percent economically disadvantaged, I believe) will have an even tougher time, and I suspect you're going to see a death spiral of a lot of participation at Logan, with those students who are serious about their activities looking to transfer to one of the other valley schools.

Sad times to see how my old alma mater has fallen.
That Region going from Tooele to Logan is absolutely insane.

UHSAA is a bunch of idiots so it not surprising but what they should really do is all the Cache Valley Schools, Fremont, Weber, Roy and West Field. bump the the CVs up to 5A, bump Fremont and Weber down.

No School davis county or north should be 6A anyway.

Uhhh Tooele is nothing. That lists out Logan High and Union high. Union is in Roosevelt. That is a freaking 4 hour bus ride one way. That's asinine if they actually do that.

ustateaggies1 · Post by **ustateaggies1** » December 18th, 2024, 11:49 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑
December 14th, 2024, 12:35 am

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 13th, 2024, 11:37 pm
The second consideration for UHSAA realignment for 2025-27 is out and it breaks up what has been a tremendous region for Cache Valley by moving Logan down to 3A. In the new proposal, 3A North would be Ben Lomond, Grantsville, Logan, Morgan, Ogden, and Union, and there'd be a 3A South with Canyon View, Carbon, Cedar, Juab, Manti, North Sanpete, and Richfield. These are for football only, in all other activities/sports, 3A Region 12 would be the aforementioned from the north and Layton Christian, Providence Hall, and Summit Academy.

Meanwhile, the 4A region with the rest of the Cache schools would be Bear River, Deseret Peak (new school in Tooele), Green Canyon, Mountain Crest, Ridgeline, Sky View, Stansbury, and Tooele.

It's a shame to see this but Logan's administration has been, in my opinion, screwing the pooch for quite some time and they're completely punting on having competitive athletics. For football, there's been a problem with a revolving door of coaching staffs, little support, and no teachers willing to be assistant coaches (last year's staff had not a single assistant who taught at the school). When you dig into the issues, virtually everyone who comes along gets quickly tired of working with the administration.

The people who are most vocal about Logan dropping to 3A will tell you that "Logan was 3A before and it didn't hurt anything" but what they refuse to acknowledge is that when Logan went 3A in 2005, there were only 5 divisions, and then the second time when they went to 3AA, it was the equivalent of what is 4A today. The average travel distance to these new schools is 100+ miles, the parents who already struggle to afford to watch their kids play (Logan High is about 40 percent economically disadvantaged, I believe) will have an even tougher time, and I suspect you're going to see a death spiral of a lot of participation at Logan, with those students who are serious about their activities looking to transfer to one of the other valley schools.

Sad times to see how my old alma mater has fallen.
That Region going from Tooele to Logan is absolutely insane.

UHSAA is a bunch of idiots so it not surprising but what they should really do is all the Cache Valley Schools, Fremont, Weber, Roy and West Field. bump the the CVs up to 5A, bump Fremont and Weber down.

No School davis county or north should be 6A anyway.

They should not have created the two new high schools in Cache Valley a few years back. What they needed to do was all be in one school district and change the boundaries. Sky View and Mountain Crest had areas that where the population was growing at a rapid rate, while Logan is kind of stuck with older areas with little to no growth. Being in the same district could have potentially helped with a boundary change to get more even numbers across the three valley schools which could have made all of them large enough to compete in 5A or now 6A with Fremont, Weber, Clearfield, and Roy.

It will never make logical sense why there are two school districts in Cache Valley and how Logan City School District is considered a school district when there is only one high school that is in the district.

trevordude · Post by **trevordude** » December 18th, 2024, 1:26 pm

ustateaggies1 wrote: ↑
December 18th, 2024, 11:49 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑
December 14th, 2024, 12:35 am

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 13th, 2024, 11:37 pm
The second consideration for UHSAA realignment for 2025-27 is out and it breaks up what has been a tremendous region for Cache Valley by moving Logan down to 3A. In the new proposal, 3A North would be Ben Lomond, Grantsville, Logan, Morgan, Ogden, and Union, and there'd be a 3A South with Canyon View, Carbon, Cedar, Juab, Manti, North Sanpete, and Richfield. These are for football only, in all other activities/sports, 3A Region 12 would be the aforementioned from the north and Layton Christian, Providence Hall, and Summit Academy.

Meanwhile, the 4A region with the rest of the Cache schools would be Bear River, Deseret Peak (new school in Tooele), Green Canyon, Mountain Crest, Ridgeline, Sky View, Stansbury, and Tooele.

It's a shame to see this but Logan's administration has been, in my opinion, screwing the pooch for quite some time and they're completely punting on having competitive athletics. For football, there's been a problem with a revolving door of coaching staffs, little support, and no teachers willing to be assistant coaches (last year's staff had not a single assistant who taught at the school). When you dig into the issues, virtually everyone who comes along gets quickly tired of working with the administration.

The people who are most vocal about Logan dropping to 3A will tell you that "Logan was 3A before and it didn't hurt anything" but what they refuse to acknowledge is that when Logan went 3A in 2005, there were only 5 divisions, and then the second time when they went to 3AA, it was the equivalent of what is 4A today. The average travel distance to these new schools is 100+ miles, the parents who already struggle to afford to watch their kids play (Logan High is about 40 percent economically disadvantaged, I believe) will have an even tougher time, and I suspect you're going to see a death spiral of a lot of participation at Logan, with those students who are serious about their activities looking to transfer to one of the other valley schools.

Sad times to see how my old alma mater has fallen.
That Region going from Tooele to Logan is absolutely insane.

UHSAA is a bunch of idiots so it not surprising but what they should really do is all the Cache Valley Schools, Fremont, Weber, Roy and West Field. bump the the CVs up to 5A, bump Fremont and Weber down.

No School davis county or north should be 6A anyway.
They should not have created the two new high schools in Cache Valley a few years back. What they needed to do was all be in one school district and change the boundaries. Sky View and Mountain Crest had areas that where the population was growing at a rapid rate, while Logan is kind of stuck with older areas with little to no growth. Being in the same district could have potentially helped with a boundary change to get more even numbers across the three valley schools which could have made all of them large enough to compete in 5A or now 6A with Fremont, Weber, Clearfield, and Roy.

It will never make logical sense why there are two school districts in Cache Valley and how Logan City School District is considered a school district when there is only one high school that is in the district.

I disagree, definitely needed more high schools, also newer high schools.

I do agree there should be 1 school district

kofdog · Post by **kofdog** » December 18th, 2024, 2:00 pm

ustateaggies1 wrote: ↑
December 18th, 2024, 11:49 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑
December 14th, 2024, 12:35 am

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 13th, 2024, 11:37 pm
The second consideration for UHSAA realignment for 2025-27 is out and it breaks up what has been a tremendous region for Cache Valley by moving Logan down to 3A. In the new proposal, 3A North would be Ben Lomond, Grantsville, Logan, Morgan, Ogden, and Union, and there'd be a 3A South with Canyon View, Carbon, Cedar, Juab, Manti, North Sanpete, and Richfield. These are for football only, in all other activities/sports, 3A Region 12 would be the aforementioned from the north and Layton Christian, Providence Hall, and Summit Academy.

Meanwhile, the 4A region with the rest of the Cache schools would be Bear River, Deseret Peak (new school in Tooele), Green Canyon, Mountain Crest, Ridgeline, Sky View, Stansbury, and Tooele.

It's a shame to see this but Logan's administration has been, in my opinion, screwing the pooch for quite some time and they're completely punting on having competitive athletics. For football, there's been a problem with a revolving door of coaching staffs, little support, and no teachers willing to be assistant coaches (last year's staff had not a single assistant who taught at the school). When you dig into the issues, virtually everyone who comes along gets quickly tired of working with the administration.

The people who are most vocal about Logan dropping to 3A will tell you that "Logan was 3A before and it didn't hurt anything" but what they refuse to acknowledge is that when Logan went 3A in 2005, there were only 5 divisions, and then the second time when they went to 3AA, it was the equivalent of what is 4A today. The average travel distance to these new schools is 100+ miles, the parents who already struggle to afford to watch their kids play (Logan High is about 40 percent economically disadvantaged, I believe) will have an even tougher time, and I suspect you're going to see a death spiral of a lot of participation at Logan, with those students who are serious about their activities looking to transfer to one of the other valley schools.

Sad times to see how my old alma mater has fallen.
That Region going from Tooele to Logan is absolutely insane.

UHSAA is a bunch of idiots so it not surprising but what they should really do is all the Cache Valley Schools, Fremont, Weber, Roy and West Field. bump the the CVs up to 5A, bump Fremont and Weber down.

No School davis county or north should be 6A anyway.
They should not have created the two new high schools in Cache Valley a few years back. What they needed to do was all be in one school district and change the boundaries. Sky View and Mountain Crest had areas that where the population was growing at a rapid rate, while Logan is kind of stuck with older areas with little to no growth. Being in the same district could have potentially helped with a boundary change to get more even numbers across the three valley schools which could have made all of them large enough to compete in 5A or now 6A with Fremont, Weber, Clearfield, and Roy.

It will never make logical sense why there are two school districts in Cache Valley and how Logan City School District is considered a school district when there is only one high school that is in the district.

This is 100% the problem. Property taxes run schools and Logan can't grow and get anymore while the rest grow their budgets with new homes. We need some prideful people to take a step back and see what's best for the kids. 2 superintendents in the Valley is just crazy....2 big salaries that could go to other things.

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » December 18th, 2024, 2:17 pm

The issue has always been the tax base. The folks in The county wanted to have lower tax rates than the city had to charge. This has not changed. You can't really blame Logan for the higher tax rates, because they have the big population, but much less land to assess

AggieFan50 · Post by **AggieFan50** » December 19th, 2024, 10:02 am

I thought I heard that they considered combining the two school districts a while back, but the Cache Valley School district didn't want to take on all of Logan School district's debt.

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » December 19th, 2024, 4:22 pm

AggieFan50 wrote: ↑
December 19th, 2024, 10:02 am
I thought I heard that they considered combining the two school districts a while back, but the Cache Valley School district didn't want to take on all of Logan School district's debt.

I know this firsthand from a school board member. For several decades the Logan School District had the money and kind of thumbed their noses at the CVSD.

Now the roles are reversed and the general attitude is that Logan School District can figure it out for themselves, and there is no desire for CCSD to merge with Logan. They will work on agreements to pool resources like bussing where a savings will occur for both, but CCSD isn't going to try to merge budgets.

rAggie · Post by **rAggie** » December 20th, 2024, 11:42 am

At this point, even if you got pro-merge people to fun for Cache County School District board seats, the people on the north and south end of the valley would never elect them because there'd be a fear campaign about their kids having to merge with the low-income, racially diverse students of Logan. There would be all sorts of language to try to cover what it was really all about but it would boil down to the people living in the million dollar home on the Providence bench not wanting their little princess to go to a school that is 40 percent non-white.

ShowMeAggie · Post by **ShowMeAggie** » December 20th, 2024, 1:04 pm

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 20th, 2024, 11:42 am
At this point, even if you got pro-merge people to fun for Cache County School District board seats, the people on the north and south end of the valley would never elect them because there'd be a fear campaign about their kids having to merge with the low-income, racially diverse students of Logan. There would be all sorts of language to try to cover what it was really all about but it would boil down to the people living in the million dollar home on the Providence bench not wanting their little princess to go to a school that is 40 percent non-white.

cynical/judgemental much?
i bet you're a blast to sit by at the ward christmas party! do you do kids' birthday parties, by chance?

that said, I'm not sure you're wrong about the consternation there would be about "integrating" schools. I just think you're (mostly) wrong about the motivation behind it.

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » December 20th, 2024, 4:00 pm

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 20th, 2024, 11:42 am
At this point, even if you got pro-merge people to fun for Cache County School District board seats, the people on the north and south end of the valley would never elect them because there'd be a fear campaign about their kids having to merge with the low-income, racially diverse students of Logan. There would be all sorts of language to try to cover what it was really all about but it would boil down to the people living in the million dollar home on the Providence bench not wanting their little princess to go to a school that is 40 percent non-white.

You sure hate Cache people, don't you?

Did someone p!$$ in your Bosco™?

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » December 21st, 2024, 12:04 am

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 20th, 2024, 11:42 am
At this point, even if you got pro-merge people to fun for Cache County School District board seats, the people on the north and south end of the valley would never elect them because there'd be a fear campaign about their kids having to merge with the low-income, racially diverse students of Logan. There would be all sorts of language to try to cover what it was really all about but it would boil down to the people living in the million dollar home on the Providence bench not wanting their little princess to go to a school that is 40 percent non-white.

I don't live in Cache County, and outside of my schooling at USU, I never have. I never went to a K-12 school there, nor did any of my kids ever attend school there. I really have no stake in any of this, I simply know a former member of the CCSD BOE quite well. I was told the history, and that Logan was the one who pushed for separate districts decades ago, and that students were bussed from the South End of Cache County to Sky View prior to MCHS opening in 1983.

Logan pushed for its own district when Cache County was 1/2 the size because they didn't want to include rural areas many years ago.

Similar sized areas such as Washington, Iron, Tooele, and Box Elder all have just one district, Cache County is just it's own anomaly.

BearLakeMonster · Post by **BearLakeMonster** » December 21st, 2024, 10:57 am

To add to the insanity, as Logan City annexes new properties and grows into formerly unincorporated areas, it grows beyond the existing Logan School District boundaries.

Families in the new homes built south of 2000 South in Logan pay property tax to the Cache School District and send their kids to Cache schools.

There have been two districts for nearly 100 years. There are two administrations, two revenue and debt structures, and two community cultures. It's going to take a nuclear bomb to fix it.

rAggie · Post by **rAggie** » December 21st, 2024, 2:42 pm

USU78 wrote: ↑
December 20th, 2024, 4:00 pm

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 20th, 2024, 11:42 am
At this point, even if you got pro-merge people to fun for Cache County School District board seats, the people on the north and south end of the valley would never elect them because there'd be a fear campaign about their kids having to merge with the low-income, racially diverse students of Logan. There would be all sorts of language to try to cover what it was really all about but it would boil down to the people living in the million dollar home on the Providence bench not wanting their little princess to go to a school that is 40 percent non-white.
You sure hate Cache people, don't you?

Did someone p!$$ in your Bosco™?

Well as I actually live in Cache County, was born and raised in Cache County, and have served in local planning commission and heard the things people in Cache County say in response to growth and low income housing and diversity, I wouldn’t say I hate the people, I hate the way the most vocal of the people clearly hate anyone not like them.

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » December 21st, 2024, 3:55 pm

So you know better how they should express their dismay at low-wage jobs and crumbling infrastructure?

OKAggie · Post by **OKAggie** » December 22nd, 2024, 12:12 pm

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 21st, 2024, 2:42 pm

USU78 wrote: ↑
December 20th, 2024, 4:00 pm

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 20th, 2024, 11:42 am
At this point, even if you got pro-merge people to fun for Cache County School District board seats, the people on the north and south end of the valley would never elect them because there'd be a fear campaign about their kids having to merge with the low-income, racially diverse students of Logan. There would be all sorts of language to try to cover what it was really all about but it would boil down to the people living in the million dollar home on the Providence bench not wanting their little princess to go to a school that is 40 percent non-white.
You sure hate Cache people, don't you?

Did someone p!$$ in your Bosco™?
Well as I actually live in Cache County, was born and raised in Cache County, and have served in local planning commission and heard the things people in Cache County say in response to growth and low income housing and diversity, I wouldn’t say I hate the people, I hate the way the most vocal of the people clearly hate anyone not like them.

"I don't hate them. I'm not a hater. I just hate that they clearly hate other people, which I know is true based on comments from land-use hearings. My reference to "their little princess" comes from the non-hate in my heart for them."

OKAggie · Post by **OKAggie** » December 22nd, 2024, 12:28 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
December 18th, 2024, 10:46 am

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑
December 14th, 2024, 12:35 am

rAggie wrote: ↑
December 13th, 2024, 11:37 pm
The second consideration for UHSAA realignment for 2025-27 is out and it breaks up what has been a tremendous region for Cache Valley by moving Logan down to 3A. In the new proposal, 3A North would be Ben Lomond, Grantsville, Logan, Morgan, Ogden, and Union, and there'd be a 3A South with Canyon View, Carbon, Cedar, Juab, Manti, North Sanpete, and Richfield. These are for football only, in all other activities/sports, 3A Region 12 would be the aforementioned from the north and Layton Christian, Providence Hall, and Summit Academy.

Meanwhile, the 4A region with the rest of the Cache schools would be Bear River, Deseret Peak (new school in Tooele), Green Canyon, Mountain Crest, Ridgeline, Sky View, Stansbury, and Tooele.

It's a shame to see this but Logan's administration has been, in my opinion, screwing the pooch for quite some time and they're completely punting on having competitive athletics. For football, there's been a problem with a revolving door of coaching staffs, little support, and no teachers willing to be assistant coaches (last year's staff had not a single assistant who taught at the school). When you dig into the issues, virtually everyone who comes along gets quickly tired of working with the administration.

The people who are most vocal about Logan dropping to 3A will tell you that "Logan was 3A before and it didn't hurt anything" but what they refuse to acknowledge is that when Logan went 3A in 2005, there were only 5 divisions, and then the second time when they went to 3AA, it was the equivalent of what is 4A today. The average travel distance to these new schools is 100+ miles, the parents who already struggle to afford to watch their kids play (Logan High is about 40 percent economically disadvantaged, I believe) will have an even tougher time, and I suspect you're going to see a death spiral of a lot of participation at Logan, with those students who are serious about their activities looking to transfer to one of the other valley schools.

Sad times to see how my old alma mater has fallen.
That Region going from Tooele to Logan is absolutely insane.

UHSAA is a bunch of idiots so it not surprising but what they should really do is all the Cache Valley Schools, Fremont, Weber, Roy and West Field. bump the the CVs up to 5A, bump Fremont and Weber down.

No School davis county or north should be 6A anyway.
Uhhh Tooele is nothing. That lists out Logan High and Union high. Union is in Roosevelt. That is a freaking 4 hour bus ride one way. That's asinine if they actually do that.

Once every other year. 3A Union (in Roosevelt) and 4A Uintah (in Vernal) have that same kind of bus ride four games every year. Most every 3A and 4A team north of Cedar City will have a turn with one or both of the Basin schools every once in a while. Take an extra day. Make it a field trip. But unless you move up to 5A or down to 2A, you're heading to the Basin for the foreseeable future - you can't fight geography or demography.

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