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Post by Jasper16Did » January 14th, 2025, 11:57 am

A coworker shared this episode of the ALL BALL podcast with Jerrod Calhoun: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1-the-do ... 256816792/

At roughly the 48 minute mark Calhoun says, "Today there's fourteen guys on my roster. Eight of them have been contacted by NIL agents. Eight of the fourteen. Various schools have tried to try to get involved, right one being not too far from here. It's totally out of control. It's off the rails."

And then later at the 50 minute mark he talks about how it is unethical to talk to players during the season, "You know, we have two really good players that are trying to be poached now."

I'm thinking BYU has their eyes on Drake Allen and Mason Falslev, and they've already made contact mid season. I highly doubt it's any other school in the state. BYU has virtually unlimited NIL funds with donors like Danny Ainge and Ryan Smith. And they've recently had allegations made against them of tampering with recruiting in football.

I agree with Calhoun. NIL is off the rails right now. It's the wild west and there needs to be some more structure around it.
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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by ustateaggies1 » January 14th, 2025, 12:01 pm

I was just going to post about this. Pretty crazy that byu the school with unlimited money and resources is coming after players from such a "small" school like Utah State. Everyone was so high on their team and their future and how successful they were going to be, it's mind blowing that they would even need any of our players with all of these lottery picks they have there!!
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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by Aggiesbleedblue » January 14th, 2025, 12:02 pm

Jasper16Did wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 11:57 am
A coworker shared this episode of the ALL BALL podcast with Jerrod Calhoun: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1-the-do ... 256816792/

At roughly the 48 minute mark Calhoun says, "Today there's fourteen guys on my roster. Eight of them have been contacted by NIL agents. Eight of the fourteen. Various schools have tried to try to get involved, right one being not too far from here. It's totally out of control. It's off the rails."

And then later at the 50 minute mark he talks about how it is unethical to talk to players during the season, "You know, we have two really good players that are trying to be poached now."

I'm thinking BYU has their eyes on Drake Allen and Mason Falslev, and they've already made contact mid season. I highly doubt it's any other school in the state. BYU has virtually unlimited NIL funds with donors like Danny Ainge and Ryan Smith. And they've recently had allegations made against them of tampering with recruiting in football.

I agree with Calhoun. NIL is off the rails right now. It's the wild west and there needs to be some more structure around it.
My guesses would be Templin and Falslev.
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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by 3rdGenAggie » January 14th, 2025, 12:06 pm

ustateaggies1 wrote:
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I was just going to post about this. Pretty crazy that byu the school with unlimited money and resources is coming after players from such a "small" school like Utah State. Everyone was so high on their team and their future and how successful they were going to be, it's mind blowing that they would even need any of our players with all of these lottery picks they have there!!
Unfortunately, BYU is learning quickly that teams loaded down with just talented 18 year olds don't often make deep tournament runs. Those guys certainly help, but you need some older veterans to compliment those guys. They absolutely need players like Falslev on their team.


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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by aggies22 » January 14th, 2025, 12:08 pm

byu has been contacting Mason. I'm curious if the timeline of the contact begining coincides with his free throw trouble.
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Post by Aggie84025 » January 14th, 2025, 12:10 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:06 pm
ustateaggies1 wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:01 pm
I was just going to post about this. Pretty crazy that byu the school with unlimited money and resources is coming after players from such a "small" school like Utah State. Everyone was so high on their team and their future and how successful they were going to be, it's mind blowing that they would even need any of our players with all of these lottery picks they have there!!
Unfortunately, BYU is learning quickly that teams loaded down with just talented 18 year olds don't often make deep tournament runs. Those guys certainly help, but you need some older veterans to compliment those guys. They absolutely need players like Falslev on their team.
You are spot on, you need veteran players as well. Look at what Calhoun compiled, he brought in very seasoned transfers in Allen, Albury, Akanno and Gatereste. You obviously need to some younger up and comers but having experience at this level is paramount IMO.



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Post by EngineeringAggie » January 14th, 2025, 12:27 pm

It pisses me off because I know a lot of butt fans and none of them realize that their coaches, AD, and boosters are playing a dirty poaching game. Most of them also don’t realize that it’s them that won’t schedule us. Whenever I point these things out to them they are always pretty upset because they are typically church members that think butt should follow the rules and be ethical like the church teaches. I think if the church leaders actually got word of this then their athletic department would be shut down in a hurry.
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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by TrueAG » January 14th, 2025, 12:33 pm

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January 14th, 2025, 12:27 pm
It pisses me off because I know a lot of butt fans and none of them realize that their coaches, AD, and boosters are playing a dirty poaching game. Most of them also don’t realize that it’s them that won’t schedule us. Whenever I point these things out to them they are always pretty upset because they are typically church members that think butt should follow the rules and be ethical like the church teaches. I think if the church leaders actually got word of this then their athletic department would be shut down in a hurry.
BYU just signed the #1 recruit in the country. Do you think church leaders care about how it gets done? Think they are just naive and don't pay attention to the church's flagship school?
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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by EngineeringAggie » January 14th, 2025, 12:34 pm

TrueAG wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:33 pm
EngineeringAggie wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:27 pm
It pisses me off because I know a lot of butt fans and none of them realize that their coaches, AD, and boosters are playing a dirty poaching game. Most of them also don’t realize that it’s them that won’t schedule us. Whenever I point these things out to them they are always pretty upset because they are typically church members that think butt should follow the rules and be ethical like the church teaches. I think if the church leaders actually got word of this then their athletic department would be shut down in a hurry.
BYU just signed the #1 recruit in the country. Do you think church leaders care about how it gets done? Think they are just naive and don't pay attention to the church's flagship school?
What rules were broken in signing the #1 recruit in the country?



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Post by Jasper16Did » January 14th, 2025, 12:34 pm

Aggiesbleedblue wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:02 pm
Jasper16Did wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 11:57 am
A coworker shared this episode of the ALL BALL podcast with Jerrod Calhoun: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1-the-do ... 256816792/

At roughly the 48 minute mark Calhoun says, "Today there's fourteen guys on my roster. Eight of them have been contacted by NIL agents. Eight of the fourteen. Various schools have tried to try to get involved, right one being not too far from here. It's totally out of control. It's off the rails."

And then later at the 50 minute mark he talks about how it is unethical to talk to players during the season, "You know, we have two really good players that are trying to be poached now."

I'm thinking BYU has their eyes on Drake Allen and Mason Falslev, and they've already made contact mid season. I highly doubt it's any other school in the state. BYU has virtually unlimited NIL funds with donors like Danny Ainge and Ryan Smith. And they've recently had allegations made against them of tampering with recruiting in football.

I agree with Calhoun. NIL is off the rails right now. It's the wild west and there needs to be some more structure around it.
My guesses would be Templin and Falslev.
I overlooked Templin. You're right. I can't remember if Allen has any eligibility left after this year or not.



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Post by Jasper16Did » January 14th, 2025, 12:36 pm

aggies22 wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:08 pm
byu has been contacting Mason. I'm curious if when the contact began coincides with his free throw trouble.
@aggies22 has this been confirmed publicly, or do you have inside sources?



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Post by FromLItoLogan » January 14th, 2025, 12:36 pm

Jasper16Did wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:34 pm
Aggiesbleedblue wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:02 pm
Jasper16Did wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 11:57 am
A coworker shared this episode of the ALL BALL podcast with Jerrod Calhoun: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1-the-do ... 256816792/

At roughly the 48 minute mark Calhoun says, "Today there's fourteen guys on my roster. Eight of them have been contacted by NIL agents. Eight of the fourteen. Various schools have tried to try to get involved, right one being not too far from here. It's totally out of control. It's off the rails."

And then later at the 50 minute mark he talks about how it is unethical to talk to players during the season, "You know, we have two really good players that are trying to be poached now."

I'm thinking BYU has their eyes on Drake Allen and Mason Falslev, and they've already made contact mid season. I highly doubt it's any other school in the state. BYU has virtually unlimited NIL funds with donors like Danny Ainge and Ryan Smith. And they've recently had allegations made against them of tampering with recruiting in football.

I agree with Calhoun. NIL is off the rails right now. It's the wild west and there needs to be some more structure around it.
My guesses would be Templin and Falslev.
I overlooked Templin. You're right. I can't remember if Allen has any eligibility left after this year or not.
Since he went the JUCO route he does if he wants it.
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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by TrueAG » January 14th, 2025, 12:39 pm

EngineeringAggie wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:34 pm
TrueAG wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:33 pm
EngineeringAggie wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:27 pm
It pisses me off because I know a lot of butt fans and none of them realize that their coaches, AD, and boosters are playing a dirty poaching game. Most of them also don’t realize that it’s them that won’t schedule us. Whenever I point these things out to them they are always pretty upset because they are typically church members that think butt should follow the rules and be ethical like the church teaches. I think if the church leaders actually got word of this then their athletic department would be shut down in a hurry.
BYU just signed the #1 recruit in the country. Do you think church leaders care about how it gets done? Think they are just naive and don't pay attention to the church's flagship school?
What rules were broken in signing the #1 recruit in the country?
I am saying it brought a ton of attention to BYU basketball. So unless you are hiding under a rock as an LDS leader you would be paying attention. Start to question if a religious higher education has it's priorities straight paying basketball players millions and recruiting other teams players.
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Post by Aggie4L1fe » January 14th, 2025, 12:41 pm

I’m glad JC is facing the issue head on by recruiting our own players mid season. I think Danny was doing the same thing though, only difference was it was to the Pacific Northwest!!



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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by aggies22 » January 14th, 2025, 12:50 pm

Jasper16Did wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:36 pm
aggies22 wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:08 pm
byu has been contacting Mason. I'm curious if when the contact began coincides with his free throw trouble.
@aggies22 has this been confirmed publicly, or do you have inside sources?
Had it been confirmed publicly byu would be in line for a serious slap on the hand by the NCAA.



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Post by aggies22 » January 14th, 2025, 12:51 pm

Aggie4L1fe wrote:
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I’m glad JC is facing the issue head on by recruiting our own players mid season. I think Danny was doing the same thing though, only difference was it was to the Pacific Northwest!!
I can say with 100% certainty that Danny NEVER mentioned or addressed Washington with the players during the season. NOT addressing the rumors pissed the players off.
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Post by FromLItoLogan » January 14th, 2025, 12:53 pm

aggies22 wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:50 pm
Jasper16Did wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:36 pm
aggies22 wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:08 pm
byu has been contacting Mason. I'm curious if when the contact began coincides with his free throw trouble.
@aggies22 has this been confirmed publicly, or do you have inside sources?
Had it been confirmed publicly byu would be in line for a serious slap on the hand by the NCAA.
If he publicly confirms it and leads to a penalty to byu just build the statue now. That would be an all time Aggie move
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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by aggies22 » January 14th, 2025, 12:55 pm

FromLItoLogan wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:53 pm
aggies22 wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:50 pm
Jasper16Did wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:36 pm
aggies22 wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:08 pm
byu has been contacting Mason. I'm curious if when the contact began coincides with his free throw trouble.
@aggies22 has this been confirmed publicly, or do you have inside sources?
Had it been confirmed publicly byu would be in line for a serious slap on the hand by the NCAA.
If he publicly confirms it and leads to a penalty to byu just build the statue now. That would be an all time Aggie move
Coaches are in a precarious situation when it comes to poaching. The coaching fraternity can be very close-knit, and it's tough to turn in another coach or program.



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Post by EngineeringAggie » January 14th, 2025, 12:55 pm

TrueAG wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:39 pm
EngineeringAggie wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:34 pm
TrueAG wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:33 pm
EngineeringAggie wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:27 pm
It pisses me off because I know a lot of butt fans and none of them realize that their coaches, AD, and boosters are playing a dirty poaching game. Most of them also don’t realize that it’s them that won’t schedule us. Whenever I point these things out to them they are always pretty upset because they are typically church members that think butt should follow the rules and be ethical like the church teaches. I think if the church leaders actually got word of this then their athletic department would be shut down in a hurry.
BYU just signed the #1 recruit in the country. Do you think church leaders care about how it gets done? Think they are just naive and don't pay attention to the church's flagship school?
What rules were broken in signing the #1 recruit in the country?
I am saying it brought a ton of attention to BYU basketball. So unless you are hiding under a rock as an LDS leader you would be paying attention. Start to question if a religious higher education has it's priorities straight paying basketball players millions and recruiting other teams players.
The only reason why butt has an athletic program is to help bring attention to the church. They are totally fine with that. I assume that they don’t realize all of the poaching that is going on behind the scenes. Just like the majority of butt’s fanbase doesn’t. Technically they aren’t even breaking the rules because it’s just NIL agents reaching out to players and not the coaches themselves. It is definitely unethical though.



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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by BigBlueDart » January 14th, 2025, 12:57 pm

FromLItoLogan wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:53 pm
aggies22 wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:50 pm
Jasper16Did wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:36 pm
aggies22 wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:08 pm
byu has been contacting Mason. I'm curious if when the contact began coincides with his free throw trouble.
@aggies22 has this been confirmed publicly, or do you have inside sources?
Had it been confirmed publicly byu would be in line for a serious slap on the hand by the NCAA.
If he publicly confirms it and leads to a penalty to byu just build the statue now. That would be an all time Aggie move
The problem is that it's being done in ways that can't be confirmed. Everyone is doing it through 3rd parties, or using some other loophole. I think that not only would it be too complicated to set up rules to close all loopholes, but the NCAA also no longer has teeth (or even dentures). Player contracts is the best way forward. It will protect the schools/teams, as well as the players, and bring stability.
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Post by Jasper16Did » January 14th, 2025, 12:59 pm

BigBlueDart wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:57 pm
FromLItoLogan wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:53 pm
aggies22 wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:50 pm
Jasper16Did wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:36 pm
aggies22 wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:08 pm
byu has been contacting Mason. I'm curious if when the contact began coincides with his free throw trouble.
@aggies22 has this been confirmed publicly, or do you have inside sources?
Had it been confirmed publicly byu would be in line for a serious slap on the hand by the NCAA.
If he publicly confirms it and leads to a penalty to byu just build the statue now. That would be an all time Aggie move
The problem is that it's being done in ways that can't be confirmed. Everyone is doing it through 3rd parties, or using some other loophole. I think that not only would it be too complicated to set up rules to close all loopholes, but the NCAA also no longer has teeth (or even dentures). Player contracts is the best way forward. It will protect the schools/teams, as well as the players, and bring stability.
I agree with the contracts idea. College athletes have more freedom to move teams than professional athletes do right now. Which is nuts to me.



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Post by WAaggieFan » January 14th, 2025, 1:12 pm

I propose that the same board algorithm which replaces unsavory words with the phrase “I can’t express myself without swearing” should be employed to automatically replace BYU with BUTT moving forward.
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Post by DreadPirateRoberts » January 14th, 2025, 1:19 pm

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I propose that the same board algorithm which replaces unsavory words with the phrase “I can’t express myself without swearing” should be employed to automatically replace BYU with BUTT moving forward.
I second this proposal.
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WAaggieFan wrote:I propose that the same board algorithm which replaces unsavory words with the phrase “I can’t express myself without swearing” should be employed to automatically replace BYU with BUTT moving forward.
I’m gonna just gonna switch the Y and the U and call them BUY, cause that’s all they do
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Post by AgTime » January 14th, 2025, 1:27 pm

More and more coaches are talking about this, but what is preventing schools or collectives from establishing multi-year NIL contracts with buyouts today? The players are all moving toward signing with agents already. Let them earn their money with something binding.
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Post by aggies22 » January 14th, 2025, 1:33 pm

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I propose that the same board algorithm which replaces unsavory words with the phrase “I can’t express myself without swearing” should be employed to automatically replace BYU with BUTT moving forward.
You're welcome my Aggie brothers.
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Post by Aggies1888 » January 14th, 2025, 1:42 pm

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It pisses me off because I know a lot of butt fans and none of them realize that their coaches, AD, and boosters are playing a dirty poaching game. Most of them also don’t realize that it’s them that won’t schedule us. Whenever I point these things out to them they are always pretty upset because they are typically church members that think butt should follow the rules and be ethical like the church teaches. I think if the church leaders actually got word of this then their athletic department would be shut down in a hurry.
No offense intended here whatsoever, but you're putting way too much faith in the LDS church leadership on this issue. Not only would they not do that for fear of upsetting the masses, I think they welcome the attention it brings their church. I would venture that a good number of the LDS church's upper brethren are sports fans and byu-p fans themselves. I also don't think they're naive to the facts this is going on: it's mentioned everywhere. On top of that, as previously mentioned, the lines are fuzzy, what rules are they really breaking?
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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by TrentM » January 14th, 2025, 1:43 pm

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More and more coaches are talking about this, but what is preventing schools or collectives from establishing multi-year NIL contracts with buyouts today? The players are all moving toward signing with agents already. Let them earn their money with something binding.
Only a matter of time before they do these buyouts and contracts. It's all the legality side of it now and who will be the first school to "pioneer" this idea per say. Lot of moving pieces that are happening and I think schools are mainly trying to play catch up on this all especially the mid-level schools.
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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by WAaggieFan » January 14th, 2025, 1:54 pm

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WAaggieFan wrote:I propose that the same board algorithm which replaces unsavory words with the phrase “I can’t express myself without swearing” should be employed to automatically replace BYU with BUTT moving forward.
I’m gonna just gonna switch the Y and the U and call them BUY, cause that’s all they do
You can buy anything in this world with money.
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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by Aggie4L1fe » January 14th, 2025, 1:59 pm

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WAaggieFan wrote:I propose that the same board algorithm which replaces unsavory words with the phrase “I can’t express myself without swearing” should be employed to automatically replace BYU with BUTT moving forward.
I’m gonna just gonna switch the Y and the U and call them BUY, cause that’s all they do
You can buy anything in this world with money.
Not a competitive NBA team
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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by GameFAQSAggie » January 14th, 2025, 2:14 pm

It's known that coaches usually won't turn in schools out of fear that it would hurt their chances of being hired by that school down the road. But you would think that given JC'S inability to ever be the head coach at BYU and the spot he had risen to on the coach totem pole, he should at least be willing to turn in BYU unless he thinks he will have a few bad years and be begging BYU for an assistant job.



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Post by Slim80 » January 14th, 2025, 2:19 pm

Aggies1888 wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 1:42 pm
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January 14th, 2025, 12:27 pm
It pisses me off because I know a lot of butt fans and none of them realize that their coaches, AD, and boosters are playing a dirty poaching game. Most of them also don’t realize that it’s them that won’t schedule us. Whenever I point these things out to them they are always pretty upset because they are typically church members that think butt should follow the rules and be ethical like the church teaches. I think if the church leaders actually got word of this then their athletic department would be shut down in a hurry.
No offense intended here whatsoever, but you're putting way too much faith in the LDS church leadership on this issue. Not only would they not do that for fear of upsetting the masses, I think they welcome the attention it brings their church. I would venture that a good number of the LDS church's upper brethren are sports fans and byu-p fans themselves. I also don't think they're naive to the facts this is going on: it's mentioned everywhere. On top of that, as previously mentioned, the lines are fuzzy, what rules are they really breaking?
Unfortunately I think you are correct. Way too many of the leadership are alumni of this school and won't ever think of harming that stupid athletic program. It stems beyond the main leadership body as well. There are mission presidents out there doing their best to convince kids to attend ybu and give up scholarships at other schools. It blows my mind at the lines that are crossed in these situations. Pisses me off unbelievably and I'm an active participating member.
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Re: Calhoun talking about NIL and player poaching

Post by hipsterdoofus21 » January 14th, 2025, 2:22 pm

aggies22 wrote:
January 14th, 2025, 12:55 pm
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byu has been contacting Mason. I'm curious if when the contact began coincides with his free throw trouble.
@aggies22 has this been confirmed publicly, or do you have inside sources?
Had it been confirmed publicly byu would be in line for a serious slap on the hand by the NCAA.
If he publicly confirms it and leads to a penalty to byu just build the statue now. That would be an all time Aggie move
Coaches are in a precarious situation when it comes to poaching. The coaching fraternity can be very close-knit, and it's tough to turn in another coach or program.
Isn't it a good sign that Mason hasn't kept these poaching attempts secret? I'd be a lot more worried if he hadn't spoke up. But we better be prepared to increase his NIL this offseason.
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