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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by SoJo_Aggie » January 13th, 2025, 9:22 am

Up to 17 in Andy Katz Power 37 (With New Mexico checking in right behind us at 18) and Iowa rounding out the 37


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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by AgTime » January 13th, 2025, 10:36 am

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22 Utah St.

Last week: No. 25 -- It took a last-second shot, but Utah State downed Boise State on Saturday night by a final score of 81-79 to stay perfect in MWC play. The Aggies are 16-1 and squarely out of the shadows of a sleeper, trending closer and closer toward being considered a serious factor in March.
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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by Coloraggie » January 13th, 2025, 10:49 am

My guess from AP is we move to 23 or 24, depending on how many new ballots we appear on, which can determine whether Arizona jumps us.



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by ustateaggies1 » January 13th, 2025, 11:03 am

Up to 22 in the coaches poll, would expect a similar number in the AP poll probably going to be 22 or 23



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by ustateaggies1 » January 13th, 2025, 11:05 am

22 in the AP poll as well, let's take care of business against UNLV on Wednesday and let teams ahead of us lose this week and weekend and keep climbing!



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by ProvoAggie » January 13th, 2025, 11:27 am

1 voter had us as high as 12 today while 7 left us unranked. The SDSU voter finally included us in the 25 spot.

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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by SpectrumMagic » January 13th, 2025, 12:35 pm

That was likely very hard on him putting us at 25.
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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by WAaggieFan » January 13th, 2025, 12:56 pm

But if he really wants to help his team, he’d, logically, want to elevate USU as much as possible. But then how spiteful is he? Maybe he wants USU to fail so bad he’ll try to diminish USU to the point SDSU can tally up an at home loss to a Q2 instead of a Q1. Maybe he could really stick it to USU and marginalize them even more. Make that Viejas loss as painful as possible!
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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by ProvoAggie » January 13th, 2025, 1:22 pm

WAaggieFan wrote:
January 13th, 2025, 12:56 pm
But if he really wants to help his team, he’d, logically, want to elevate USU as much as possible. But then how spiteful is he? Maybe he wants USU to fail so bad he’ll try to diminish USU to the point SDSU can tally up an at home loss to a Q2 instead of a Q1. Maybe he could really stick it to USU and marginalize them even more. Make that Viejas loss as painful as possible!
Sometimes I wonder if he even likes SDSU.



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by JSHarvey » January 13th, 2025, 3:16 pm

What determines who gets to vote in the AP rankings? I'm assuming it is sports reporters, but there are way more of them then there are voters.


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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by ProvoAggie » January 13th, 2025, 4:15 pm

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What determines who gets to vote in the AP rankings? I'm assuming it is sports reporters, but there are way more of them then there are voters.
AP Top 25 voters are writers and broadcasters who cover college football for organizations that are members of the AP.

AP employees do not vote, but they do choose the voters. In recent years, the number of voters has been around 63, and they come from all over the country.

Every state with a Bowl Subdivision school is represented by at least one voter, and the total of number of voters from each state increases with the number of FBS teams. There are also four spots reserved for national voters.
https://apnews.com/article/how-ap-top-2 ... 23eb64b73d

The biggest thing is that they have to work for an organization that is an AP member. We've had several voters leave their organization and lose their vote. BJ Rains had a vote until he broke away and started his own news site. The description is for football but it's the same for basketball. Very few voters do both basketball and football.
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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by JSHarvey » January 14th, 2025, 3:27 pm

Thank you! :-)


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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by QuackAttackAggie » January 18th, 2025, 6:51 pm

We've been fortunate with teams around us losing.

15 Mississippi State lost to auburn about to beat Ole Miss
16 Gonzaga lost to Oregon state
17 purdue beat 13 Oregon
18 Memphis lost to temple
19 Illinois beat Indiana
20 Michigan lost to Minnesota
21 ole miss beat Alabama but is about to lose to Mississippi state
22 USU
23 Georgia lost to Tennessee and Auburn
24 Wisconsin beat usc and OSU
25 Baylor lost to Arizona

26 st Johns beat Georgetown and leading Seton Hall
27 Oklahoma lost to Texas beat south Carolina
28 WVU huge win vs ISU but lost to houston
29 Arizona neat Baylor but lost to Texas tech
30 Louisville beat Syracuse and Virginia

So 10/15 teams lost at least one, though some had good wins to make up for it.

Had we won AT UNLV and beat Nevada next week, I think we'd be borderline top 15. We can likely work our way back up if we string some wins together.


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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by dogie » January 18th, 2025, 7:37 pm

Based on those results, the Aggies will be 25 or 26 in the next rankings.

In addition to the list on the preceding post, the following ranked teams also lost this week:

2, 4 through 9, 11, 13 and 14



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by dogie » January 18th, 2025, 8:26 pm

Not to jinx this result, but Gonzaga is on its way to a second loss of the week. They trail Santa Clara by eight at home halfway through the second half.



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by QuackAttackAggie » January 18th, 2025, 8:53 pm

dogie wrote:Not to jinx this result, but Gonzaga is on its way to a second loss of the week. They trail Santa Clara by eight at home halfway through the second half.
Crazy game. Most points scored by an opponent at home but Gonzaga went on a 10-0 run in 35 seconds.


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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by WAAggie » January 18th, 2025, 9:47 pm

9 top 25 lost today, including the almighty UConn huskies.

Oh, and nobody really won the byu Utah game. Gametracker reads like a jr jazz game. Missed shots, missed FT, turnovers. I pronounce they both lost, but byu lost the score. How bout the multi million coach and freshman.


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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by QuackAttackAggie » January 18th, 2025, 9:53 pm

WAAggie wrote:9 top 25 lost today, including the almighty UConn huskies.

Oh, and nobody really won the byu Utah game. Gametracker reads like a jr jazz game. Missed shots, missed FT, turnovers. I pronounce they both lost, but byu lost the score. How bout the multi million coach and freshman. Image


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He took a really terrible last shot. He's shooting 12% from 3 in conference play but took a contested fade away instead of passing or going to the rim


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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by MahlerFan1 » January 19th, 2025, 7:12 am

Auburn is now the only remaining one-loss team. There are only seven two-loss teams, including us. The only one behind us in the NET is UCI. Oh what might have been if Drake hadn't hoisted that ill-advised three when up by 7.
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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by jpswensen » January 19th, 2025, 11:21 am

It still chaps my hide that we take a 14 spot slide in the NET for a Q2 win and a Q2 loss. Texas loses 4 out of their last 5 games (albeit all Q1 losses and one Q1 win) and they hold pat in their NET ranking. Heck, UCLA has long 5 out of their last 7 games dating back to Dec 21 and have only had a 22 spot slide in the NET.

But heaven forbid we win a Q2 game against BSU and lose a Q2 game to UNLV, we tumble off a cliff.
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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by ajm » January 19th, 2025, 4:11 pm

We picked a good week to lose. 19 of the top 25 lost this week, I still think we’ll be one of the teams to drop out.
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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by MrBiggle » January 19th, 2025, 6:07 pm

jpswensen wrote:
January 19th, 2025, 11:21 am
It still chaps my hide that we take a 14 spot slide in the NET for a Q2 win and a Q2 loss. Texas loses 4 out of their last 5 games (albeit all Q1 losses and one Q1 win) and they hold pat in their NET ranking. Heck, UCLA has long 5 out of their last 7 games dating back to Dec 21 and have only had a 22 spot slide in the NET.

But heaven forbid we win a Q2 game against BSU and lose a Q2 game to UNLV, we tumble off a cliff.
The NET giveth and the NET taketh.


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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by utaggies » January 20th, 2025, 5:06 pm

MrBiggle wrote:
January 19th, 2025, 6:07 pm
jpswensen wrote:
January 19th, 2025, 11:21 am
It still chaps my hide that we take a 14 spot slide in the NET for a Q2 win and a Q2 loss. Texas loses 4 out of their last 5 games (albeit all Q1 losses and one Q1 win) and they hold pat in their NET ranking. Heck, UCLA has long 5 out of their last 7 games dating back to Dec 21 and have only had a 22 spot slide in the NET.

But heaven forbid we win a Q2 game against BSU and lose a Q2 game to UNLV, we tumble off a cliff.
The NET giveth and the NET taketh.
UNM just blistered Fresno State. The Lobos certainly know how to better their NET.



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by Cuchelain » January 20th, 2025, 5:33 pm

Yup. All you need to do to improve your NET is RUTS.



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by StanfordAggie » January 20th, 2025, 6:47 pm

jpswensen wrote:
January 19th, 2025, 11:21 am
It still chaps my hide that we take a 14 spot slide in the NET for a Q2 win and a Q2 loss. Texas loses 4 out of their last 5 games (albeit all Q1 losses and one Q1 win) and they hold pat in their NET ranking. Heck, UCLA has long 5 out of their last 7 games dating back to Dec 21 and have only had a 22 spot slide in the NET.

But heaven forbid we win a Q2 game against BSU and lose a Q2 game to UNLV, we tumble off a cliff.
We were favored to beat BSU by 4.5 and UNLV by 5.5. If you underperform expectations, that hurts your NET even if you win against a good team. (Note: NET is based on offensive/defensive efficiency, not point spread, although they are closely related.) Plus it looks like several teams passed us. We only dropped two spots after the BSU game and 6 spots after the UNLV game.



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by Coloraggie » January 23rd, 2025, 4:48 pm

This week I just looked at team within 5 spots ahead of us or ranked 21-25 if we weren't ranked. There are 62 ballots, the following teams are within 5 spots of us on the most ballots

Louisville (39)
West Virginia (33)
St Johns (32)
Missouri (31)
Memphis (32)
Michigan (26)
Texas Tech (22)
UCONN (17)
Wisconsin (15)

Georgia (11), Illinois (11), Ole Miss (9), Oregon (8), Vanderbilt (8), Gonzaga (7), Clemson (6), Miss St (5), Texas A&M (3), St. Mary's (3), UCI(3), Arizona (2), Creighton (2), Baylor (1), Bradley (1), Cincy (1), Houston (1), Kansas (1), Kentucky (1), Marquette (1) Maryland (1), Purdue (1), Wake Forest (1).

These are the teams we want to lose if we want to be ranked again. Of course, any team ahead of us could eventually fall down with enough losses but we I'd rather the top 10-15 teams lose to teams with bad records and not anyone on this list.

West Virginia, Missouri, Wisconsin, Georgia, Cincinnati, Ole Miss, Miss. St, Purdue, Vanderbilt and have already lost this week. Assuming we beat Air Force and assuming we get back on ballots we should be in good place to move back to #25 or higher if other teams lose or a few teams lose twice.



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by QuackAttackAggie » January 24th, 2025, 8:14 pm

21 Michigan lost by 27


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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by dogie » January 25th, 2025, 11:11 am

QuackAttackAggie wrote:
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21 Michigan lost by 27


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Among the 20 teams ranked 11 through 31, excluding USU (27), the following teams (half of them) have lost once through Friday.

11, 14, 16, 17, 18, 21, 22, 23, 28, 31

There are another 16 games in that group this weekend. There will be plenty of opportunity for the Aggies to move up if they win today.



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by Aggie4L1fe » January 25th, 2025, 11:21 am

dogie wrote:
QuackAttackAggie wrote:
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21 Michigan lost by 27


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Among the 20 teams ranked 11 through 31, excluding USU (27), the following teams (half of them) have lost once through Friday.

11, 14, 16, 17, 18, 21, 22, 23, 28, 31

There are another 16 games in that group this weekend. There will be plenty of opportunity for the Aggies to move up if they win today.
St Mary’s is getting close as well!



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by SpectrumMagic » January 25th, 2025, 4:15 pm

Vanderbilt beat UK at home they most likely jump into top 25 along with TT. Texas beat two ranked teams at home will get quite a few votes

Oregon loses at Minnesota

We most likely stay in the 26-28 range.



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by QuackAttackAggie » January 25th, 2025, 4:23 pm

Wake forest should be ranked too if they beat Duke


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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by dogie » January 25th, 2025, 5:59 pm

Ole Miss (16) and WVU (23) have lost twice this week. Michigan (21) lost by 27 in their only game, as has been mentioned. USU should pass up Michigan and WVU, and maybe Ole Miss who has lost three straight

Illinois (17) and Wisconsin (18) could also drop behind USU if they go 0-2 this week by losing tomorrow.

The only unranked teams that might into the top 25 are Texas Tech (26), USU (27), Vandy (28) and Gonzaga (29 but hasn’t played yet this week).



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by blueaggie » January 25th, 2025, 6:46 pm

SpectrumMagic wrote:
January 25th, 2025, 4:15 pm
Vanderbilt beat UK at home they most likely jump into top 25 along with TT. Texas beat two ranked teams at home will get quite a few votes

Oregon loses at Minnesota

We most likely stay in the 26-28 range.
Why? That makes no sense. We should be around 15 when you compare our resume with the teams ranked ahead of us. P bias. They play week ooc schedules with mostly home games and everyone believes that their conference is amazing. Go Aggies!



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by Roy McAvoy » January 25th, 2025, 7:03 pm

The board arbiter on an things basketball, Stanford Aggie, has some wise words for this discussion:
Right now, a small increase in ranking and 50 cents will buy us a doughnut. It is almost completely meaningless right now. This board's obsession with small movements in ranking is weird. 3-0 in Q1, 8-2 in Q1/Q2, and 8-1/tied for first in the MWC are the numbers that I care about.



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Re: Rankings Watch

Post by WAAggie » January 26th, 2025, 11:47 am

I did hear an announcer say specifically the top 25 is more of a name recognition bonus than anything else. Name scrolling on bottoms of other games and more free pub. I agree


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