918AGG wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 2:25 pm

I love this NIL issue so much!!! It's crazy.

What happens when you drop $4M on a recruit, and they get injured, don't pan out, are a total pothead, fly the coop, or simply don't live up to expectations?

This will all come to a head soon, and I've got my popcorn ready!!

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 1:23 pm

Notre Dame basketball signed Sir Mohammed, a 4 star recruit, to their roster.

https://www.si.com/fannation/name-image ... ent-agency

Like virtually all of the public, I have now jumped to the conclusion that this NIL deal came straight from the Vatican out of the Catholic Charity accounts where money collected during mass is now funding High School athletes that want to play in South Bend.

I mean that is the way this all works.

It is so bad that Notre Dame has begun a "Rally" collective designed to bring corporate sponsors to fund NIL.

https://fightingirish.com/rally-launche ... -athletes/

I don't know if Notre Dame will ever recover from the bad reputation they now have for having sponsors, boosters, and collectives that virtually every other FBS NCAA school has.

(Even USU did this, but I guess it is okay since obviously taxpayers are funding our NIL.)

https://utahstateaggies.com/news/2024/1 ... encer.aspx

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:00 pm

is there anyone in the world who thinks that any part of ND's funding comes from the Vatican the same way byu's comes from LDS HQ?

aggieguy13 wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:42 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 1:23 pm

Notre Dame basketball signed Sir Mohammed, a 4 star recruit, to their roster.

https://www.si.com/fannation/name-image ... ent-agency

Like virtually all of the public, I have now jumped to the conclusion that this NIL deal came straight from the Vatican out of the Catholic Charity accounts where money collected during mass is now funding High School athletes that want to play in South Bend.

I mean that is the way this all works.

It is so bad that Notre Dame has begun a "Rally" collective designed to bring corporate sponsors to fund NIL.

https://fightingirish.com/rally-launche ... -athletes/

I don't know if Notre Dame will ever recover from the bad reputation they now have for having sponsors, boosters, and collectives that virtually every other FBS NCAA school has.

(Even USU did this, but I guess it is okay since obviously taxpayers are funding our NIL.)

https://utahstateaggies.com/news/2024/1 ... encer.aspx

I can't believe the Pope would do this!

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:43 pm

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:00 pm

is there anyone in the world who thinks that any part of ND's funding comes from the Vatican the same way byu's comes from LDS HQ?

Based on the reaction that we had we had with a BYU recruit receiving NIL money, I am not so sure. BYU is subsidized by the LDS church, but even paying NIL from a University is against NCAA bylaws.

It still doesn't stop conspiracy theories that the Quorum of the 12 is writing checks from fast offerings to pay blue chip prospects.

A lot of people don't like Notre Dame, more so I would say than BYU because it is a bigger national brand. BYU is mainly confined to the Western region. I just find the whole thing about people being upset when someone gives voluntary donations to a church, a University, or NIL pretty funny. I really don't care what others do with their money as long as it is legal.

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 8:28 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:43 pm

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:00 pm

is there anyone in the world who thinks that any part of ND's funding comes from the Vatican the same way byu's comes from LDS HQ?

Based on the reaction that we had we had with a BYU recruit receiving NIL money, I am not so sure. BYU is subsidized by the LDS church, but even paying NIL from a University is against NCAA bylaws.

It still doesn't stop conspiracy theories that the Quorum of the 12 is writing checks from fast offerings to pay blue chip prospects.

A lot of people don't like Notre Dame, more so I would say than BYU because it is a bigger national brand. BYU is mainly confined to the Western region. I just find the whole thing about people being upset when someone gives voluntary donations to a church, a University, or NIL pretty funny. I really don't care what others do with their money as long as it is legal.

my own opinion is that members of the church would be much better off to not get riled up by perceptions of their detractors - it's not really persecution. If you feel 100% certain that tithing funds aren't subsidizing byu athletics, then why would you need to convince me if I have a different opinion? Unless the athletic department pays approximately 2-3x typical byu tuition for each scholarship, then tithing is subsidizing athletics (if memory serves the last I heard was 65-75% of university costs was subsidized by the church meaning tuition is only 25-35%)

I don't think you'll find that at ND. I think ND is multiple levels detached from the actual Catholic Church in US - let alone the Vatican.

I've lived in BigTen country for decades, I've heard plenty of ND hate, but I've never heard a tie to the church organization in a financial way.
I've spent 52 years of my life in the LDS church, and heard through official channels how tithing funds byu.

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 10:01 pm

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 8:28 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:43 pm

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:00 pm

is there anyone in the world who thinks that any part of ND's funding comes from the Vatican the same way byu's comes from LDS HQ?

Based on the reaction that we had we had with a BYU recruit receiving NIL money, I am not so sure. BYU is subsidized by the LDS church, but even paying NIL from a University is against NCAA bylaws.

It still doesn't stop conspiracy theories that the Quorum of the 12 is writing checks from fast offerings to pay blue chip prospects.

A lot of people don't like Notre Dame, more so I would say than BYU because it is a bigger national brand. BYU is mainly confined to the Western region. I just find the whole thing about people being upset when someone gives voluntary donations to a church, a University, or NIL pretty funny. I really don't care what others do with their money as long as it is legal.

my own opinion is that members of the church would be much better off to not get riled up by perceptions of their detractors - it's not really persecution. If you feel 100% certain that tithing funds aren't subsidizing byu athletics, then why would you need to convince me if I have a different opinion? Unless the athletic department pays approximately 2-3x typical byu tuition for each scholarship, then tithing is subsidizing athletics (if memory serves the last I heard was 65-75% of university costs was subsidized by the church meaning tuition is only 25-35%)

I don't think you'll find that at ND. I think ND is multiple levels detached from the actual Catholic Church in US - let alone the Vatican.

I've lived in BigTen country for decades, I've heard plenty of ND hate, but I've never heard a tie to the church organization in a financial way.
I've spent 52 years of my life in the LDS church, and heard through official channels how tithing funds byu.

I am not really annoyed or defensive, the OP I made is more of a joke than anything. It also wasn't talking about scholarships, it was NIL. This is pretty new, and is by law completely funded by outside sources. I am 100% certain BYU, nor any other school can legally give players NIL money from school budgets. An IRS audit would expose that very quickly and penalties would ensue. That is a violation of NCAA rules. Many claims today were that NIL was coming from BYU athletics, and even charitable contributions from their owner. There are several tax laws that violates, not to mention NCAA regulations. Also, the notion this will shut down sports at BYU, which many forecasted, isn't going to happen.

A separate court case has come through where players from the last several years are going to have to be compensated, but that is from athletic revenue the schools received and is still being worked out. BYU, as well as every other school in FBS will be on the hook, including USU.

BYU is likely the most heavily subsidized private University in the world. Their tuition is similar to other public schools in Utah, and having worked in the State Legislature in college, I know major at universities the state pays about 2/3 of the actual cost. BYU would be very similar since the price is the same, so yes, I will agree that the subsidized portion of tuition in an athletic scholarship is paid with tithing, very similar to how an athlete's tuition at USU or Utah is also subsidized by taxpayers. Gary Andersen said once that if we had more local players we saved the AD money due to the lower cost per scholarship.

I do agree Notre Dame's tuition is not subsidized then same way BYU's is. Most Catholic schools are quite expensive because the Catholic Church chooses not to cover the majority of per pupil cost.

As I say, that is about 3 issues, but the NIL is being funded by boosters at virtually every school, not the general funds.

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 10:01 pm

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 8:28 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:43 pm

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:00 pm

is there anyone in the world who thinks that any part of ND's funding comes from the Vatican the same way byu's comes from LDS HQ?

Based on the reaction that we had we had with a BYU recruit receiving NIL money, I am not so sure. BYU is subsidized by the LDS church, but even paying NIL from a University is against NCAA bylaws.

It still doesn't stop conspiracy theories that the Quorum of the 12 is writing checks from fast offerings to pay blue chip prospects.

A lot of people don't like Notre Dame, more so I would say than BYU because it is a bigger national brand. BYU is mainly confined to the Western region. I just find the whole thing about people being upset when someone gives voluntary donations to a church, a University, or NIL pretty funny. I really don't care what others do with their money as long as it is legal.

my own opinion is that members of the church would be much better off to not get riled up by perceptions of their detractors - it's not really persecution. If you feel 100% certain that tithing funds aren't subsidizing byu athletics, then why would you need to convince me if I have a different opinion? Unless the athletic department pays approximately 2-3x typical byu tuition for each scholarship, then tithing is subsidizing athletics (if memory serves the last I heard was 65-75% of university costs was subsidized by the church meaning tuition is only 25-35%)

I don't think you'll find that at ND. I think ND is multiple levels detached from the actual Catholic Church in US - let alone the Vatican.

I've lived in BigTen country for decades, I've heard plenty of ND hate, but I've never heard a tie to the church organization in a financial way.
I've spent 52 years of my life in the LDS church, and heard through official channels how tithing funds byu.

I am not really annoyed or defensive, the OP I made is more of a joke than anything. It also wasn't talking about scholarships, it was NIL. This is pretty new, and is by law completely funded by outside sources. I am 100% certain BYU, nor any other school can legally give players NIL money from school budgets. An IRS audit would expose that very quickly and penalties would ensue. That is a violation of NCAA rules. Many claims today were that NIL was coming from BYU athletics, and even charitable contributions from their owner. There are several tax laws that violates, not to mention NCAA regulations. Also, the notion this will shut down sports at BYU, which many forecasted, isn't going to happen.

A separate court case has come through where players from the last several years are going to have to be compensated, but that is from athletic revenue the schools received and is still being worked out. BYU, as well as every other school in FBS will be on the hook, including USU.

BYU is likely the most heavily subsidized private University in the world. Their tuition is similar to other public schools in Utah, and having worked in the State Legislature in college, I know tuition at major universities in the state is covered at 2/3 of the actual cost. BYU would be very similar since the price is roughly the same, so yes, I will agree that the subsidized portion of tuition in an athletic scholarship is paid with tithing, very similar to how an athlete's tuition at USU or Utah is also subsidized by taxpayers. Gary Andersen said once that if we had more local players we saved the AD money due to the lower cost per scholarship.

I do agree Notre Dame's tuition is not subsidized then same way BYU's is. Most Catholic schools are quite expensive because the Catholic Church chooses not to cover the majority of per pupil cost.

As I say, that is about 3 issues, but the NIL is being funded by boosters at virtually every school, not the general funds.

Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑

October 25th, 2024, 8:01 am

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 10:01 pm

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 8:28 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:43 pm

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:00 pm

is there anyone in the world who thinks that any part of ND's funding comes from the Vatican the same way byu's comes from LDS HQ?

Based on the reaction that we had we had with a BYU recruit receiving NIL money, I am not so sure. BYU is subsidized by the LDS church, but even paying NIL from a University is against NCAA bylaws.

It still doesn't stop conspiracy theories that the Quorum of the 12 is writing checks from fast offerings to pay blue chip prospects.

A lot of people don't like Notre Dame, more so I would say than BYU because it is a bigger national brand. BYU is mainly confined to the Western region. I just find the whole thing about people being upset when someone gives voluntary donations to a church, a University, or NIL pretty funny. I really don't care what others do with their money as long as it is legal.

my own opinion is that members of the church would be much better off to not get riled up by perceptions of their detractors - it's not really persecution. If you feel 100% certain that tithing funds aren't subsidizing byu athletics, then why would you need to convince me if I have a different opinion? Unless the athletic department pays approximately 2-3x typical byu tuition for each scholarship, then tithing is subsidizing athletics (if memory serves the last I heard was 65-75% of university costs was subsidized by the church meaning tuition is only 25-35%)

I don't think you'll find that at ND. I think ND is multiple levels detached from the actual Catholic Church in US - let alone the Vatican.

I've lived in BigTen country for decades, I've heard plenty of ND hate, but I've never heard a tie to the church organization in a financial way.
I've spent 52 years of my life in the LDS church, and heard through official channels how tithing funds byu.

I am not really annoyed or defensive, the OP I made is more of a joke than anything. It also wasn't talking about scholarships, it was NIL. This is pretty new, and is by law completely funded by outside sources. I am 100% certain BYU, nor any other school can legally give players NIL money from school budgets. An IRS audit would expose that very quickly and penalties would ensue. That is a violation of NCAA rules. Many claims today were that NIL was coming from BYU athletics, and even charitable contributions from their owner. There are several tax laws that violates, not to mention NCAA regulations. Also, the notion this will shut down sports at BYU, which many forecasted, isn't going to happen.

A separate court case has come through where players from the last several years are going to have to be compensated, but that is from athletic revenue the schools received and is still being worked out. BYU, as well as every other school in FBS will be on the hook, including USU.

BYU is likely the most heavily subsidized private University in the world. Their tuition is similar to other public schools in Utah, and having worked in the State Legislature in college, I know major at universities the state pays about 2/3 of the actual cost. BYU would be very similar since the price is the same, so yes, I will agree that the subsidized portion of tuition in an athletic scholarship is paid with tithing, very similar to how an athlete's tuition at USU or Utah is also subsidized by taxpayers. Gary Andersen said once that if we had more local players we saved the AD money due to the lower cost per scholarship.

I do agree Notre Dame's tuition is not subsidized then same way BYU's is. Most Catholic schools are quite expensive because the Catholic Church chooses not to cover the majority of per pupil cost.

As I say, that is about 3 issues, but the NIL is being funded by boosters at virtually every school, not the general funds.

You're right that NIL deals may be legally funded by boosters, but this setup clashes with BYU's core mission as a faith-centered institution. BYU was created to offer spiritually and academically enriching experiences, underpinned by tithing dollars meant to support Church goals.

Directing millions from LDS members into athletic sponsorships begs the question: does this align with a religious university focused on faith, education, and service, or does it reflect more of a push to stay competitive in high-stakes athletics? Wouldn’t it be more in line with BYU's purpose for the Church to encourage members to prioritize donations for the poor and needy over funding for athletes?

While NIL is legally separate from Church funds, BYU’s affiliation with the Church and its reliance on member support calls its role in the NIL landscape into question. Are these priorities serving its mission, or just feeding into the college sports arms race? In my view, this approach undermines the Church’s commitment to its spiritual mission, sending a questionable message to members.

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 25th, 2024, 8:11 am

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 10:01 pm

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 8:28 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:43 pm

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:00 pm

is there anyone in the world who thinks that any part of ND's funding comes from the Vatican the same way byu's comes from LDS HQ?

Based on the reaction that we had we had with a BYU recruit receiving NIL money, I am not so sure. BYU is subsidized by the LDS church, but even paying NIL from a University is against NCAA bylaws.

It still doesn't stop conspiracy theories that the Quorum of the 12 is writing checks from fast offerings to pay blue chip prospects.

A lot of people don't like Notre Dame, more so I would say than BYU because it is a bigger national brand. BYU is mainly confined to the Western region. I just find the whole thing about people being upset when someone gives voluntary donations to a church, a University, or NIL pretty funny. I really don't care what others do with their money as long as it is legal.

my own opinion is that members of the church would be much better off to not get riled up by perceptions of their detractors - it's not really persecution. If you feel 100% certain that tithing funds aren't subsidizing byu athletics, then why would you need to convince me if I have a different opinion? Unless the athletic department pays approximately 2-3x typical byu tuition for each scholarship, then tithing is subsidizing athletics (if memory serves the last I heard was 65-75% of university costs was subsidized by the church meaning tuition is only 25-35%)

I don't think you'll find that at ND. I think ND is multiple levels detached from the actual Catholic Church in US - let alone the Vatican.

I've lived in BigTen country for decades, I've heard plenty of ND hate, but I've never heard a tie to the church organization in a financial way.
I've spent 52 years of my life in the LDS church, and heard through official channels how tithing funds byu.

I am not really annoyed or defensive, the OP I made is more of a joke than anything. It also wasn't talking about scholarships, it was NIL. This is pretty new, and is by law completely funded by outside sources. I am 100% certain BYU, nor any other school can legally give players NIL money from school budgets. An IRS audit would expose that very quickly and penalties would ensue. That is a violation of NCAA rules. Many claims today were that NIL was coming from BYU athletics, and even charitable contributions from their owner. There are several tax laws that violates, not to mention NCAA regulations. Also, the notion this will shut down sports at BYU, which many forecasted, isn't going to happen.

A separate court case has come through where players from the last several years are going to have to be compensated, but that is from athletic revenue the schools received and is still being worked out. BYU, as well as every other school in FBS will be on the hook, including USU.

BYU is likely the most heavily subsidized private University in the world. Their tuition is similar to other public schools in Utah, and having worked in the State Legislature in college, I know tuition at major universities in the state is covered at 2/3 of the actual cost. BYU would be very similar since the price is roughly the same, so yes, I will agree that the subsidized portion of tuition in an athletic scholarship is paid with tithing, very similar to how an athlete's tuition at USU or Utah is also subsidized by taxpayers. Gary Andersen said once that if we had more local players we saved the AD money due to the lower cost per scholarship.

I do agree Notre Dame's tuition is not subsidized then same way BYU's is. Most Catholic schools are quite expensive because the Catholic Church chooses not to cover the majority of per pupil cost.

As I say, that is about 3 issues, but the NIL is being funded by boosters at virtually every school, not the general funds.

I guess I'm trying to say that the proximity of Vatican paying for anything at ND compared to LDS HQ paying for byu is as close as either university paying for NIL.
That's why it seems like your post comes across as annoyed by the prior post about the byu player getting NIL.

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 25th, 2024, 8:17 am

Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑

October 25th, 2024, 8:01 am

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 10:01 pm

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 8:28 pm

NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:43 pm

AGinNEIowa wrote: ↑

October 24th, 2024, 4:00 pm

is there anyone in the world who thinks that any part of ND's funding comes from the Vatican the same way byu's comes from LDS HQ?

Based on the reaction that we had we had with a BYU recruit receiving NIL money, I am not so sure. BYU is subsidized by the LDS church, but even paying NIL from a University is against NCAA bylaws.

It still doesn't stop conspiracy theories that the Quorum of the 12 is writing checks from fast offerings to pay blue chip prospects.

A lot of people don't like Notre Dame, more so I would say than BYU because it is a bigger national brand. BYU is mainly confined to the Western region. I just find the whole thing about people being upset when someone gives voluntary donations to a church, a University, or NIL pretty funny. I really don't care what others do with their money as long as it is legal.

my own opinion is that members of the church would be much better off to not get riled up by perceptions of their detractors - it's not really persecution. If you feel 100% certain that tithing funds aren't subsidizing byu athletics, then why would you need to convince me if I have a different opinion? Unless the athletic department pays approximately 2-3x typical byu tuition for each scholarship, then tithing is subsidizing athletics (if memory serves the last I heard was 65-75% of university costs was subsidized by the church meaning tuition is only 25-35%)

I don't think you'll find that at ND. I think ND is multiple levels detached from the actual Catholic Church in US - let alone the Vatican.

I've lived in BigTen country for decades, I've heard plenty of ND hate, but I've never heard a tie to the church organization in a financial way.
I've spent 52 years of my life in the LDS church, and heard through official channels how tithing funds byu.

I am not really annoyed or defensive, the OP I made is more of a joke than anything. It also wasn't talking about scholarships, it was NIL. This is pretty new, and is by law completely funded by outside sources. I am 100% certain BYU, nor any other school can legally give players NIL money from school budgets. An IRS audit would expose that very quickly and penalties would ensue. That is a violation of NCAA rules. Many claims today were that NIL was coming from BYU athletics, and even charitable contributions from their owner. There are several tax laws that violates, not to mention NCAA regulations. Also, the notion this will shut down sports at BYU, which many forecasted, isn't going to happen.

A separate court case has come through where players from the last several years are going to have to be compensated, but that is from athletic revenue the schools received and is still being worked out. BYU, as well as every other school in FBS will be on the hook, including USU.

BYU is likely the most heavily subsidized private University in the world. Their tuition is similar to other public schools in Utah, and having worked in the State Legislature in college, I know major at universities the state pays about 2/3 of the actual cost. BYU would be very similar since the price is the same, so yes, I will agree that the subsidized portion of tuition in an athletic scholarship is paid with tithing, very similar to how an athlete's tuition at USU or Utah is also subsidized by taxpayers. Gary Andersen said once that if we had more local players we saved the AD money due to the lower cost per scholarship.

I do agree Notre Dame's tuition is not subsidized then same way BYU's is. Most Catholic schools are quite expensive because the Catholic Church chooses not to cover the majority of per pupil cost.

As I say, that is about 3 issues, but the NIL is being funded by boosters at virtually every school, not the general funds.

You're right that NIL deals may be legally funded by boosters, but this setup clashes with BYU's core mission as a faith-centered institution. BYU was created to offer spiritually and academically enriching experiences, underpinned by tithing dollars meant to support Church goals.

Directing millions from LDS members into athletic sponsorships begs the question: does this align with a religious university focused on faith, education, and service, or does it reflect more of a push to stay competitive in high-stakes athletics? Wouldn’t it be more in line with BYU's purpose for the Church to encourage members to prioritize donations for the poor and needy over funding for athletes?

While NIL is legally separate from Church funds, BYU’s affiliation with the Church and its reliance on member support calls its role in the NIL landscape into question. Are these priorities serving its mission, or just feeding into the college sports arms race? In my view, this approach undermines the Church’s commitment to its spiritual mission, sending a questionable message to members.

That is your opinion, which is fine.

I have always had the opinion that someone else's private property, in this case money in a bank account, is theirs. If really wealthy people want to fund university athletics, that is fine with me.

I don't care what Gail Miller, Jim Laub, Willard Marriott, Mitt Romney, Ryan Smith, or Karen Huntsman do with their money, any more than I care what my neighbor who drives a truck does with his. They shouldn't care what I do with mine either.

My own family is not in the same league as these others, not even close, but we set up non-athletic scholarships at USU in memory of a family member that worked for Utah State University. We felt it would promote the field he worked in, so it was important to my mother and me to do so.

If these other people feel that the benefits of funding sports brings enough notoriety and benefits to Universities that they will fork out some money for it, that is their call, whether it be for public or private Universities.