Aggie84025 wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 12:08 pm

jwaggie wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 12:03 pm

I get why people are saying that it's not worth developing kids (even local) because we're worried about them leaving after a good year. I think the local kids are the ones worth taking a chance on and developing. Not every local kid is going to stay (Ashworth) but Mason was offered a lot more money to go other places but chose to stay.

Those are good points, especially considering that each year there are going to be 4ish scholarship players that don't see the floor much. Not all 13 scholarship players are going to get regular minutes. I would rather take a chance on a regional player that loves the program to use for one of the last scholarships versus someone with no connection to the program.

I'd rather take a chance on a raw 6'6-6'9 guy with high ceiling and a low floor for the last scholarships, then a guy that's ceiling is back up pg.

jwaggie wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 12:03 pm

I get why people are saying that it's not worth developing kids (even local) because we're worried about them leaving after a good year. I think the local kids are the ones worth taking a chance on and developing. Not every local kid is going to stay (Ashworth) but Mason was offered a lot more money to go other places but chose to stay.

Also, who the cares if a guy that comes in as a freshman leaves? If we can do an exact repeat with a guy like Ashworth, I would do it 10 out of 10 times. I mean do mes anyone really think we would have been better off not taking Ashworth, even knowing that he ended up transfering?

Why is taking a high school kid that might leave if he is good any worse than taking a sophomore that might leave if he is good, or a junior that might leave if he is good (Osobor) or a senior that only had one year left?

At this point, any guy you bring is has a 50/50 chance of leaving if they are good. And probably a 75% chance of leaving if they are not good. Why does it mater if they are freshman or seniors.

Here is a big that we should get


Imagine having Supreme Cook and Big Fish as the starters

SLB wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 12:39 pm

Here is a big that we should get


Imagine having Supreme Cook and Big Fish as the starters

SLB, you got the $500k this guy is going to expect to get? Basically averaged a double double at a P6.

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 12:52 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 12:39 pm

Here is a big that we should get


Imagine having Supreme Cook and Big Fish as the starters

SLB, you got the $500k this guy is going to expect to get? Basically averaged a double double at a P5.

SLB is probably Tommy Wiseau, so yes.

Aglicious wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 1:03 pm

So we would go from Great to Supreme?

Now, we are cooking.

SLB wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 1:04 pm

Aglicious wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 1:03 pm

So we would go from Great to Supreme?

Now, we are cooking.

Sounds perfect for the Stew Morrill Court.

Let him cook!

If somehow, we got Supreme Cook. We need to rename the court Supreme Fish Stew.

SLB wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 1:36 pm

If somehow, we got Supreme Cook. We need to rename the court Supreme Fish Stew.

Chowder Court?

Hoot wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 1:40 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 1:36 pm

If somehow, we got Supreme Cook. We need to rename the court Supreme Fish Stew.

Chowder Court?

He is from New York.
Manhattan Clam Chowder is acceptable.

i read that as supreme court!

tipitup wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 1:52 pm

i read that as supreme court!

If he does drugs we can dub it “Supreme Court, the highest court in the land.”

What I found fascinating about this entire discussion is that even though we are returning practically every key contributor from a top 25 team that won an NCAA tournament game despite losing our coach, everyone seems to assume that any player at USU who has a decent season is automatically going to transfer. Personally, I could almost certainly get a job that pays significantly more money if I were willing to relocate anywhere in the country, but I like my job and where I live, so I don't.

And even if a player does well and decides to leave for more NIL money, why is that a bad thing? Should we not recruit a McDonald's All-American who wants to come to USU because we are worried he might leave for the NBA after a year? Just recruit the best players that you can sign. Whether or not he will stay in Logan for one year or five years should not even be a consideration. I'd much rather have players being poached or going to the NBA than a roster of four-year players that nobody else wants.

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:13 pm

What I found fascinating about this entire discussion is that even though we are returning practically every key contributor from a top 25 team that won an NCAA tournament game despite losing our coach, everyone seems to assume that any player at USU who has a decent season is automatically going to transfer. Personally, I could almost certainly get a job that pays significantly more money if I were willing to relocate anywhere in the country, but I like my job and where I live, so I don't.

And even if a player does well and decides to leave for more NIL money, why is that a bad thing? Should we not recruit a McDonald's All-American who wants to come to USU because we are worried he might leave for the NBA after a year? Just recruit the best players that you can sign. Whether or not he will stay in Logan for one year or five years should not even be a consideration. I'd much rather have players being poached or going to the NBA than a roster of four-year players that nobody else wants.

This is a sliding scale sort of thing. If a player likes USU and could get maybe 20% more or even 30% more somewhere else, there’s an argument for staying at USU. If it’s true that Great is getting offers of $500k elsewhere and the most we can offer is $150k, he’d be a Great fool not to leave. There’s no argument not to leave if you can more than triple your earnings by going elsewhere. It’s just sentiment keeping you in Logan at that point.

I think Great owes it to himself and his family and should leave if he truly has offers for $500k+ that we can’t even come close to matching. I also think Great owes it to USU and the fans that have supported him to make that decision quickly and let the coaching staff know. I don’t think either of these opinions will be popular, but they are the correct opinions on the matter.

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:51 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:13 pm

What I found fascinating about this entire discussion is that even though we are returning practically every key contributor from a top 25 team that won an NCAA tournament game despite losing our coach, everyone seems to assume that any player at USU who has a decent season is automatically going to transfer. Personally, I could almost certainly get a job that pays significantly more money if I were willing to relocate anywhere in the country, but I like my job and where I live, so I don't.

And even if a player does well and decides to leave for more NIL money, why is that a bad thing? Should we not recruit a McDonald's All-American who wants to come to USU because we are worried he might leave for the NBA after a year? Just recruit the best players that you can sign. Whether or not he will stay in Logan for one year or five years should not even be a consideration. I'd much rather have players being poached or going to the NBA than a roster of four-year players that nobody else wants.

This is a sliding scale sort of thing. If a player likes USU and could get maybe 20% more or even 30% more somewhere else, there’s an argument for staying at USU. If it’s true that Great is getting offers of $500k elsewhere and the most we can offer is $150k, he’d be a Great fool not to leave. There’s no argument not to leave if you can more than triple your earnings by going elsewhere. It’s just sentiment keeping you in Logan at that point.

I think Great owes it to himself and his family and should leave if he truly has offers for $500k+ that we can’t even come close to matching. I also think Great owes it to USU and the fans that have supported him to make that decision quickly and let the coaching staff know. I don’t think either of these opinions will be popular, but they are the correct opinions on the matter.

Great may also owe it to himself to think long-term. The best chance at life-changing money is Utah State as it's his most certain path to the NBA.

Blue Sage wrote:

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:51 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:13 pm

What I found fascinating about this entire discussion is that even though we are returning practically every key contributor from a top 25 team that won an NCAA tournament game despite losing our coach, everyone seems to assume that any player at USU who has a decent season is automatically going to transfer. Personally, I could almost certainly get a job that pays significantly more money if I were willing to relocate anywhere in the country, but I like my job and where I live, so I don't.

And even if a player does well and decides to leave for more NIL money, why is that a bad thing? Should we not recruit a McDonald's All-American who wants to come to USU because we are worried he might leave for the NBA after a year? Just recruit the best players that you can sign. Whether or not he will stay in Logan for one year or five years should not even be a consideration. I'd much rather have players being poached or going to the NBA than a roster of four-year players that nobody else wants.

This is a sliding scale sort of thing. If a player likes USU and could get maybe 20% more or even 30% more somewhere else, there’s an argument for staying at USU. If it’s true that Great is getting offers of $500k elsewhere and the most we can offer is $150k, he’d be a Great fool not to leave. There’s no argument not to leave if you can more than triple your earnings by going elsewhere. It’s just sentiment keeping you in Logan at that point.

I think Great owes it to himself and his family and should leave if he truly has offers for $500k+ that we can’t even come close to matching. I also think Great owes it to USU and the fans that have supported him to make that decision quickly and let the coaching staff know. I don’t think either of these opinions will be popular, but they are the correct opinions on the matter.

Great may also owe it to himself to think long-term. The best chance at life-changing money is Utah State as it's his most certain path to the NBA.

He has an agent. He will do what is in the best interest of his agent.


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Blue Sage wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 8:09 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:51 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:13 pm

What I found fascinating about this entire discussion is that even though we are returning practically every key contributor from a top 25 team that won an NCAA tournament game despite losing our coach, everyone seems to assume that any player at USU who has a decent season is automatically going to transfer. Personally, I could almost certainly get a job that pays significantly more money if I were willing to relocate anywhere in the country, but I like my job and where I live, so I don't.

And even if a player does well and decides to leave for more NIL money, why is that a bad thing? Should we not recruit a McDonald's All-American who wants to come to USU because we are worried he might leave for the NBA after a year? Just recruit the best players that you can sign. Whether or not he will stay in Logan for one year or five years should not even be a consideration. I'd much rather have players being poached or going to the NBA than a roster of four-year players that nobody else wants.

This is a sliding scale sort of thing. If a player likes USU and could get maybe 20% more or even 30% more somewhere else, there’s an argument for staying at USU. If it’s true that Great is getting offers of $500k elsewhere and the most we can offer is $150k, he’d be a Great fool not to leave. There’s no argument not to leave if you can more than triple your earnings by going elsewhere. It’s just sentiment keeping you in Logan at that point.

I think Great owes it to himself and his family and should leave if he truly has offers for $500k+ that we can’t even come close to matching. I also think Great owes it to USU and the fans that have supported him to make that decision quickly and let the coaching staff know. I don’t think either of these opinions will be popular, but they are the correct opinions on the matter.

Great may also owe it to himself to think long-term. The best chance at life-changing money is Utah State as it's his most certain path to the NBA.

Great isn’t playing in the NBA. Next season will be the biggest stage he ever plays on in his career if he goes to UK. I love Great, but his game has almost no chance of translating to the NBA.

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 8:15 pm

Blue Sage wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 8:09 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:51 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:13 pm

What I found fascinating about this entire discussion is that even though we are returning practically every key contributor from a top 25 team that won an NCAA tournament game despite losing our coach, everyone seems to assume that any player at USU who has a decent season is automatically going to transfer. Personally, I could almost certainly get a job that pays significantly more money if I were willing to relocate anywhere in the country, but I like my job and where I live, so I don't.

And even if a player does well and decides to leave for more NIL money, why is that a bad thing? Should we not recruit a McDonald's All-American who wants to come to USU because we are worried he might leave for the NBA after a year? Just recruit the best players that you can sign. Whether or not he will stay in Logan for one year or five years should not even be a consideration. I'd much rather have players being poached or going to the NBA than a roster of four-year players that nobody else wants.

This is a sliding scale sort of thing. If a player likes USU and could get maybe 20% more or even 30% more somewhere else, there’s an argument for staying at USU. If it’s true that Great is getting offers of $500k elsewhere and the most we can offer is $150k, he’d be a Great fool not to leave. There’s no argument not to leave if you can more than triple your earnings by going elsewhere. It’s just sentiment keeping you in Logan at that point.

I think Great owes it to himself and his family and should leave if he truly has offers for $500k+ that we can’t even come close to matching. I also think Great owes it to USU and the fans that have supported him to make that decision quickly and let the coaching staff know. I don’t think either of these opinions will be popular, but they are the correct opinions on the matter.

Great may also owe it to himself to think long-term. The best chance at life-changing money is Utah State as it's his most certain path to the NBA.

Great isn’t playing in the NBA. Next season will be the biggest stage he ever plays on in his career if he goes to UK. I love Great, but his game has almost no chance of translating to the NBA.

Tony Jones disagrees lol

Aggie702 wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 8:20 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 8:15 pm

Blue Sage wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 8:09 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:51 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:13 pm

What I found fascinating about this entire discussion is that even though we are returning practically every key contributor from a top 25 team that won an NCAA tournament game despite losing our coach, everyone seems to assume that any player at USU who has a decent season is automatically going to transfer. Personally, I could almost certainly get a job that pays significantly more money if I were willing to relocate anywhere in the country, but I like my job and where I live, so I don't.

And even if a player does well and decides to leave for more NIL money, why is that a bad thing? Should we not recruit a McDonald's All-American who wants to come to USU because we are worried he might leave for the NBA after a year? Just recruit the best players that you can sign. Whether or not he will stay in Logan for one year or five years should not even be a consideration. I'd much rather have players being poached or going to the NBA than a roster of four-year players that nobody else wants.

This is a sliding scale sort of thing. If a player likes USU and could get maybe 20% more or even 30% more somewhere else, there’s an argument for staying at USU. If it’s true that Great is getting offers of $500k elsewhere and the most we can offer is $150k, he’d be a Great fool not to leave. There’s no argument not to leave if you can more than triple your earnings by going elsewhere. It’s just sentiment keeping you in Logan at that point.

I think Great owes it to himself and his family and should leave if he truly has offers for $500k+ that we can’t even come close to matching. I also think Great owes it to USU and the fans that have supported him to make that decision quickly and let the coaching staff know. I don’t think either of these opinions will be popular, but they are the correct opinions on the matter.

Great may also owe it to himself to think long-term. The best chance at life-changing money is Utah State as it's his most certain path to the NBA.

Great isn’t playing in the NBA. Next season will be the biggest stage he ever plays on in his career if he goes to UK. I love Great, but his game has almost no chance of translating to the NBA.

Tony Jones disagrees lol

The only NBA skill Great currently has is Rebounding and length. He is a long way from a current NBA player

Aggie702 wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 8:20 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 8:15 pm

Blue Sage wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 8:09 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:51 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:13 pm

What I found fascinating about this entire discussion is that even though we are returning practically every key contributor from a top 25 team that won an NCAA tournament game despite losing our coach, everyone seems to assume that any player at USU who has a decent season is automatically going to transfer. Personally, I could almost certainly get a job that pays significantly more money if I were willing to relocate anywhere in the country, but I like my job and where I live, so I don't.

And even if a player does well and decides to leave for more NIL money, why is that a bad thing? Should we not recruit a McDonald's All-American who wants to come to USU because we are worried he might leave for the NBA after a year? Just recruit the best players that you can sign. Whether or not he will stay in Logan for one year or five years should not even be a consideration. I'd much rather have players being poached or going to the NBA than a roster of four-year players that nobody else wants.

This is a sliding scale sort of thing. If a player likes USU and could get maybe 20% more or even 30% more somewhere else, there’s an argument for staying at USU. If it’s true that Great is getting offers of $500k elsewhere and the most we can offer is $150k, he’d be a Great fool not to leave. There’s no argument not to leave if you can more than triple your earnings by going elsewhere. It’s just sentiment keeping you in Logan at that point.

I think Great owes it to himself and his family and should leave if he truly has offers for $500k+ that we can’t even come close to matching. I also think Great owes it to USU and the fans that have supported him to make that decision quickly and let the coaching staff know. I don’t think either of these opinions will be popular, but they are the correct opinions on the matter.

Great may also owe it to himself to think long-term. The best chance at life-changing money is Utah State as it's his most certain path to the NBA.

Great isn’t playing in the NBA. Next season will be the biggest stage he ever plays on in his career if he goes to UK. I love Great, but his game has almost no chance of translating to the NBA.

Tony Jones disagrees lol

I respect Tony’s opinion, but I think he’s wrong. Great needs to lose about 40 pounds and develop a 3 pt shot if he wants to have even the tiniest shred of a chance to play in the NBA. He’s way too short and not nearly quick enough laterally to even be a small ball 5 in the NBA.

I think Great has NBA rebounding, post moves, and ball handling for a big.

GeoAg wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 9:11 pm

I think Great has NBA rebounding, post moves, and ball handling for a big.

He’s a really good passer for a big. Is a good defender. He’s mobile, quick. If he develops a 3 point shot he’s definitely a pro

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:51 pm

StanfordAggie wrote: ↑

April 24th, 2024, 6:13 pm

What I found fascinating about this entire discussion is that even though we are returning practically every key contributor from a top 25 team that won an NCAA tournament game despite losing our coach, everyone seems to assume that any player at USU who has a decent season is automatically going to transfer. Personally, I could almost certainly get a job that pays significantly more money if I were willing to relocate anywhere in the country, but I like my job and where I live, so I don't.

And even if a player does well and decides to leave for more NIL money, why is that a bad thing? Should we not recruit a McDonald's All-American who wants to come to USU because we are worried he might leave for the NBA after a year? Just recruit the best players that you can sign. Whether or not he will stay in Logan for one year or five years should not even be a consideration. I'd much rather have players being poached or going to the NBA than a roster of four-year players that nobody else wants.

This is a sliding scale sort of thing. If a player likes USU and could get maybe 20% more or even 30% more somewhere else, there’s an argument for staying at USU. If it’s true that Great is getting offers of $500k elsewhere and the most we can offer is $150k, he’d be a Great fool not to leave. There’s no argument not to leave if you can more than triple your earnings by going elsewhere. It’s just sentiment keeping you in Logan at that point.

I think Great owes it to himself and his family and should leave if he truly has offers for $500k+ that we can’t even come close to matching. I also think Great owes it to USU and the fans that have supported him to make that decision quickly and let the coaching staff know. I don’t think either of these opinions will be popular, but they are the correct opinions on the matter.

As one who has worked in higher education for a long time, I can tell you that college-aged people make decisions that make no sense financially all the time. I can think of numerous instances where someone turned down a scholarship at a higher-ranked school to spend more money to attend a less prestigious school because it was closer to their family or girlfriend or the beach or some other reason. For their record, if I were advising Osobor, and he really can earn drastically more money elsewhere, I would probably tell him to do it. The only reason I might not is if NBA scouts told him that he needs to improve a specific part of his game and USU was the only school that is willing to give him an opportunity to do that. But he may decide to stay because he likes Logan or his teammates or he likes being the star on his team who is guaranteed to get a lot of minutes. I don't think we should automatically assume that he is gone because he can earn more money elsewhere.

But my earlier comment wasn't really about Osobor. I'm talking more about people who have suggested (for example) that we should stop recruiting high school players because anyone good will transfer anyway. That seems like complete madness to me. Number one, just because someone can earn more money elsewhere doesn't mean that they will. And even if they do transfer, they still helped us win games during the time they were here. I've never heard someone say that teams shouldn't recruit one and dones because they will be gone after a year. But for some reason people think that not only will no good players ever stay at USU (which is obviously not true) but that we should not recruit good players because they might leave. That sounds like a recipe for defeatist mediocrity.

Speaking of Utahns in the portal

From Sandy, Utah
Was at UIC (MVC school)
As a Sophomore
6'9" 230 lb forward
6.1 points per game 2.4 rebounds per game 44.2% from the field 36% from 3
Played 13.9 minutes per game
Has 2 years left

SLB wrote: ↑

April 25th, 2024, 10:38 am

Speaking of Utahns in the portal

From Sandy, Utah
Was at UIC (MVC school)
As a Sophomore
6'9" 230 lb forward
6.1 points per game 2.4 rebounds per game 44.2% from the field 36% from 3
Played 13.9 minutes per game
Has 2 years left

Are you going to translate his stats into 30 minutes per game?

Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑

April 25th, 2024, 11:25 am

SLB wrote: ↑

April 25th, 2024, 10:38 am

Speaking of Utahns in the portal

From Sandy, Utah
Was at UIC (MVC school)
As a Sophomore
6'9" 230 lb forward
6.1 points per game 2.4 rebounds per game 44.2% from the field 36% from 3
Played 13.9 minutes per game
Has 2 years left

Are you going to translate his stats into 30 minutes per game?

14.9 is basically 15 minutes
15 times 2 = 30
Just double the numbers

SLB wrote: ↑

April 25th, 2024, 11:33 am

14.9 is basically 15 minutes
15 times 2 = 30
Just double the numbers

Wow!! The young man shot 72% from 3 over 30 minutes? Sign him up. (My math minor at work. )

13.9 is not 14.9
Brownell per 30 stats
13.2 points per game
5.2 rebounds per game
1.7 blocks per game
1.7 assists per game
1.7 TOs per game
2.6 PFs per game
44.2/36.3/66.7

bummer

SLB wrote: ↑

April 25th, 2024, 1:18 pm

bummer

that looks like a transfer for playing time!!

tipitup wrote: ↑

April 25th, 2024, 1:24 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

April 25th, 2024, 1:18 pm

bummer

that looks like a transfer for playing time!!

He would have been a potentially good addition with his rebounding. Double-double type of player when he is playing

SLB wrote: ↑

April 25th, 2024, 1:29 pm

tipitup wrote: ↑

April 25th, 2024, 1:24 pm

SLB wrote: ↑

April 25th, 2024, 1:18 pm

bummer

that looks like a transfer for playing time!!

He would have been a potentially good addition with his rebounding. Double-double type of player when he is playing

ya but only 10 min at a team that played a lot of players, you would think he would get more time the way they subbed.

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