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Biggest mistake

Post by ImportAggie » March 15th, 2024, 9:52 pm

Leaving Mason and Great out last 6 minutes in the 1st half. Lost all momentum and huge lead
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by MahlerFan1 » March 15th, 2024, 10:14 pm

No choice after that foul.



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by aggiefanatic2 » March 15th, 2024, 10:24 pm

Biggest mistake was Great being an idiot and fouling 75 feet from the basket. After he picked up his 2nd foul, they out scored us 67-36 over the final 26 minutes. Game most likely is very different if he plays out the half.
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by 3rdGenAggie » March 15th, 2024, 10:26 pm

Danny had a choice. Risk a 3rd Osobor foul or risk giving up a 17 pt lead. He chose giving up the 17 pt lead and subsequently the game.

Nobody's perfect, but this game wasn't his finest moment.
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by scotlandog » March 15th, 2024, 10:28 pm

MahlerFan1 wrote:No choice after that foul.
After the 9-0 run he should have just put him in to change it up and settle things down. It wasn’t just Great out, it was also Falslev. They were everything outside of Ian’s FTs up to that point. You don’t just sit there and give up a 17pt lead without making adjustments. SDSU brought Ledee back in with 2 fouls with 8mins left. You have a choice and we made the wrong one clearly.


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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by FloridaAggie13 » March 15th, 2024, 10:28 pm

I think getting into a land war in Asia is a bigger mistake but I see your point.
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by coolag » March 15th, 2024, 10:30 pm

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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by blueaggie » March 15th, 2024, 10:32 pm

MahlerFan1 wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 10:14 pm
No choice after that foul.
Why no choice? You tell them not to foul and the at least you have someone that can do something on offense.
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by SpectrumMagic » March 15th, 2024, 10:34 pm

ImportAggie wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 9:52 pm
Leaving Mason and Great out last 6 minutes in the 1st half. Lost all momentum and huge lead
Can’t expect the team to implode and lose lead so quickly. Team hadn’t done that all year. He puts them back in and they get fouls we would all be saying how dumb it was. Also how many fouls got called last 6 minutes seemed like 10

We are way too dependent on Great right now. Ian had an ok game and Isaac had a good game, Mason had good stretch but he’s obviously not healthy.

We need to break the losing streak in tournament and so we need to use this time to rest and get better.

To win we can’t

Shoot 60-65% FT
Be bad on boards
Be reliant on Great
Non spread floor, bad ball movement and bad shots

We haven’t played well down the stretch. If there is a switch to flip we need to do it now
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by ImportAggie » March 15th, 2024, 10:42 pm

SpectrumMagic wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 10:34 pm
ImportAggie wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 9:52 pm
Leaving Mason and Great out last 6 minutes in the 1st half. Lost all momentum and huge lead
Can’t expect the team to implode and lose lead so quickly. Team hadn’t done that all year. He puts them back in and they get fouls we would all be saying how dumb it was. Also how many fouls got called last 6 minutes seemed like 10

We are way too dependent on Great right now. Ian had an ok game and Isaac had a good game, Mason had good stretch but he’s obviously not healthy.

We need to break the losing streak in tournament and so we need to use this time to rest and get better.

To win we can’t

Shoot 60-65% FT
Be bad on boards
Be reliant on Great
Non spread floor, bad ball movement and bad shots

We haven’t played well down the stretch. If there is a switch to flip we need to do it now
All true equally true, but I don’t see why you can’t see the implosion happening and make an adjustment

But agreed. We need to flip the switch



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by EngineeringAggie » March 15th, 2024, 10:55 pm

Danny Sprinkle letting us lose almost our entire 17 point lead before calling a timeout was the biggest mistake. Later in the game when we cut into SDSU’s lead it only took 2 baskets in a row for Dutcher to call a timeout and squash our momentum. He didn’t wait until it was too late like we did. If Danny is going to be National Coach of the year then he had better learn how to call a freaking timeout!!!!!
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by SpectrumMagic » March 15th, 2024, 10:57 pm

EngineeringAggie wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 10:55 pm
Danny Sprinkle letting us lose almost our entire 17 point lead before calling a timeout was the biggest mistake. Later in the game when we cut into SDSU’s lead it only took 2 baskets in a row for Dutcher to call a timeout and squash our momentum. He didn’t wait until it was too late like we did. If Danny is going to be National Coach of the year then he had better learn how to call a freaking timeout!!!!!
He called a timeout after Ledee dunk to get within 8 I believe. We went from 17 lead to 8 in like 2 minutes



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by Bank Shot » March 15th, 2024, 10:58 pm

coolag wrote:
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Never trust a fart.
Obviously you haven't perfected that skill. Must be a young'n. Us old guys can croon Yankee Doodle Dandy in 3 different keys and two octaves with no qualms.



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by Elkaggie » March 15th, 2024, 11:01 pm

coolag wrote:
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Never trust a fart.
Never pass a bathroom…



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by pilotaggie » March 15th, 2024, 11:06 pm

scotlandog wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 10:28 pm
MahlerFan1 wrote:No choice after that foul.
After the 9-0 run he should have just put him in to change it up and settle things down. It wasn’t just Great out, it was also Falslev. They were everything outside of Ian’s FTs up to that point. You don’t just sit there and give up a 17pt lead without making adjustments. SDSU brought Ledee back in with 2 fouls with 8mins left. You have a choice and we made the wrong one clearly.


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I completely agree. He tried to save Great and Falslev. We had a huge lead and they just lit us up during that stretch. We should have brought them back in with around 5 minutes to go in the half when they brought it to like a 7 or 8 point lead.

The other issue we had was the second half. The ref on that end was calling basically anything. We stopped going inside.


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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by Elkaggie » March 15th, 2024, 11:07 pm

Also what was with fouling in an 6-8 point game with 3 mins left?? That was weird strategy. Get a stop or two and you might get back in it.
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by SpectrumMagic » March 15th, 2024, 11:09 pm

Elkaggie wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 11:07 pm
Also what was with fouling in an 6-8 point game with 3 mins left?? That was weird strategy. Get a stop or two and you might get back in it.
Yeah was a head scratcher. I get being aggressive while pressing but once get over half court play it out. No idea why did that



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by Aggie84025 » March 15th, 2024, 11:11 pm

MahlerFan1 wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 10:14 pm
No choice after that foul.
I disagree, you need to bring them back when they started to cut the lead. Everyone in the building could feel it. I think you need to be aggressive and keep them in. If the Aggies go into the half with a 10+ point lead it would have been a huge momentum boost. ONly being up 3 felt just like last year when the Aggies build a big lead and then gave it away by half.
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by pilotaggie » March 15th, 2024, 11:11 pm

SpectrumMagic wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 11:09 pm
Elkaggie wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 11:07 pm
Also what was with fouling in an 6-8 point game with 3 mins left?? That was weird strategy. Get a stop or two and you might get back in it.
Yeah was a head scratcher. I get being aggressive while pressing but once get over half court play it out. No idea why did that
They needed to get to into the bonus. I don't mind the thought but we should have been going for steals aggressively a few of those were just dumb.
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by thrashsoundly » March 15th, 2024, 11:12 pm

Probably thought they shoot as bad of FTs as in the 1H which would help us get back in with more time. It backfired.



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by Chatman » March 15th, 2024, 11:13 pm

Once the lead got down to 10 you got to put him back in.



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by MahlerFan1 » March 15th, 2024, 11:13 pm

Aggie84025 wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 11:11 pm
MahlerFan1 wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 10:14 pm
No choice after that foul.
I disagree, you need to bring them back when they started to cut the lead. Everyone in the building could feel it. I think you need to be aggressive and keep them in. If the Aggies go into the half with a 10+ point lead it would have been a huge momentum boost. ONly being up 3 felt just like last year when the Aggies build a big lead and then gave it away by half.
Don't have diarrhea all over the court in the second half and the end of the first half doesn't even matter.



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by Aggies1888 » March 15th, 2024, 11:13 pm

Elkaggie wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 11:07 pm
Also what was with fouling in an 6-8 point game with 3 mins left?? That was weird strategy. Get a stop or two and you might get back in it.
If i remember right, we only had 4 team fouls at that point with 3ish minutes left, I think, he was trying to get it closer to the bonus, so he could put them on the line with fouls in the last couple minutes. May have been a bit early... but we had a few fouls to give and it was getting late.



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by Aggie84025 » March 15th, 2024, 11:15 pm

MahlerFan1 wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 11:13 pm
Aggie84025 wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 11:11 pm
MahlerFan1 wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 10:14 pm
No choice after that foul.
I disagree, you need to bring them back when they started to cut the lead. Everyone in the building could feel it. I think you need to be aggressive and keep them in. If the Aggies go into the half with a 10+ point lead it would have been a huge momentum boost. ONly being up 3 felt just like last year when the Aggies build a big lead and then gave it away by half.
Don't have diarrhea all over the court in the second half and the end of the first half doesn't even matter.
For sure, the 2nd half was awful which is why i would have gambled in the first half and keep the big lead. SDSU is a 2nd half team.
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by Bank Shot » March 15th, 2024, 11:17 pm

Aggies1888 wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 11:13 pm
Elkaggie wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 11:07 pm
Also what was with fouling in an 6-8 point game with 3 mins left?? That was weird strategy. Get a stop or two and you might get back in it.
If i remember right, we only had 4 team fouls at that point with 3ish minutes left, I think, he was trying to get it closer to the bonus, so he could put them on the line with fouls in the last couple minutes. May have been a bit early... but we had a few fouls to give and it was getting late.
That's exactly what coach was thinking. We were behind enough that we couldn't afford to let them have 25 second possessions. He was hoping to get them in the bonus and hopefully miss the front end of 1 and 1's.



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by EngineeringAggie » March 15th, 2024, 11:18 pm

SpectrumMagic wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 10:57 pm
EngineeringAggie wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 10:55 pm
Danny Sprinkle letting us lose almost our entire 17 point lead before calling a timeout was the biggest mistake. Later in the game when we cut into SDSU’s lead it only took 2 baskets in a row for Dutcher to call a timeout and squash our momentum. He didn’t wait until it was too late like we did. If Danny is going to be National Coach of the year then he had better learn how to call a freaking timeout!!!!!
He called a timeout after Ledee dunk to get within 8 I believe. We went from 17 lead to 8 in like 2 minutes
You can’t let a team cut your lead in half before calling a timeout. Kick their momentum to the curb early.



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by NEAggie » March 15th, 2024, 11:20 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 10:26 pm
Danny had a choice. Risk a 3rd Osobor foul or risk giving up a 17 pt lead. He chose giving up the 17 pt lead and subsequently the game.

Nobody's perfect, but this game wasn't his finest moment.
So essentially Danny ensured Great was “fouled out” for the last 7 minutes of the first half.
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by MahlerFan1 » March 15th, 2024, 11:33 pm

NEAggie wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 11:20 pm
3rdGenAggie wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 10:26 pm
Danny had a choice. Risk a 3rd Osobor foul or risk giving up a 17 pt lead. He chose giving up the 17 pt lead and subsequently the game.

Nobody's perfect, but this game wasn't his finest moment.
So essentially Danny ensured Great was “fouled out” for the last 7 minutes of the first half.
Again, we still had a lead at the half. This is all irrelevant if you don't utterly stink up the joint in the second half.



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by Elkaggie » March 16th, 2024, 12:36 am

Dutch put Ladee back in after we made a big run and it helped them turn things around. I’m not sure it makes a difference in the end but he should have put him back in.



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by Ahbye » March 16th, 2024, 1:37 am

Read what Dutcher said on KSL. He saw us making a run and felt like they had to make a stand. So he put Ledee back in. The rest is history.

The fouls at the end should have been given while trying to steal the ball. It's more efficient that way because you get a chance at turning them over, and if that doesn't happen, you still get a clock stoppage. Very poor coaching. The youth showed tonight and I'm not talking the players.
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by Harcher » March 16th, 2024, 3:50 am

I too wished for Osobor to come back earlier. But that is a risk decision. And the risk to keep him out for a while didn’t pay.

What I did see,that I thought was the “biggest thing” was after SDSU timeout being down 17, they came back in with a physical play that dominated the Aggies and that never let up. SDSU has more physical players (size and quantity)We all know that and we use them as a reference point when describing our recruits physically: “max is big like SDSU players “.

In Logan, with Specrum Magic, much of that physical play gets mitigated for two reasons. First, our Aggies get emotional boost and opposition gets deflated by the energy. Second, the refs don’t allow as much physical one-sidedness, because they are also affected by the crowd.

SDSU is bigger and stronger than us at every position. Even our GREATest player is not bigger than LeDee.

On TV they put up stat that SDSU is #1 defense in conference every year since 2017 (except 1 year IIRC). That is because they physically dominate.

Against UNM in last game of season, the Lobo game plan was “athletic guard goes to the hole, Lobo guard gets fouled or Lobo forward gets offensive rebound “. SDSU used that same strategy tonight.

One Aggie played a lot this game because he tried to fight back: Templin. I was impressed with his effort.

Brute force skills are ideal in playoff/tournament settings. (Jazz fans of last decade saw this ). I think the top physical-skill teams in MWC, are in order: SDSU, UNLV, UNM. So not surprised by championship matchup.

One other factor I’ve thought about but would like your opinion is this: do the Aggies become dependent on Spectrum Magic and does this play into our tournament record? In other thread it has been pointed out that we do have good road record this year…. But we’ve had very good end-game luck this year….
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by Harcher » March 16th, 2024, 3:54 am

One other question for those who were in person: how were the non partisan fans for this game cheering? It was noted in previous thread that the overall crowd was cheering for Fresno against Aggies, which makes sense

Any bias for or against the Aggies?



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by EngineeringAggie » March 16th, 2024, 6:07 am

Ahbye wrote:
March 16th, 2024, 1:37 am
Read what Dutcher said on KSL. He saw us making a run and felt like they had to make a stand. So he put Ledee back in. The rest is history.

The fouls at the end should have been given while trying to steal the ball. It's more efficient that way because you get a chance at turning them over, and if that doesn't happen, you still get a clock stoppage. Very poor coaching. The youth showed tonight and I'm not talking the players.
Sprinkle will be a great coach, but he is still learning and making some big mistakes that young coaches make. His recruiting alone will win him a lot of games. What sucks for Aggie fans is that we will never see him coach for us after he’s learned from those mistakes. We can see his potential as a coach, but we will never get to experience it.
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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by AggieFBObsession » March 16th, 2024, 6:27 am

MahlerFan1 wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 11:13 pm
Aggie84025 wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 11:11 pm
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March 15th, 2024, 10:14 pm
No choice after that foul.
I disagree, you need to bring them back when they started to cut the lead. Everyone in the building could feel it. I think you need to be aggressive and keep them in. If the Aggies go into the half with a 10+ point lead it would have been a huge momentum boost. ONly being up 3 felt just like last year when the Aggies build a big lead and then gave it away by half.
Don't have diarrhea all over the court in the second half and the end of the first half doesn't even matter.
Geez. I must've missed that part of the game. What a mess it must've been to clean up. Poor ball boys. :disappointed:

The biggest mistake was Great making a dumb play.



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Re: Biggest mistake

Post by dogie » March 16th, 2024, 7:42 am

SpectrumMagic wrote:
March 15th, 2024, 10:34 pm
To win we can’t

Shoot 60-65% FT
Be bad on boards
Be reliant on Great
Non spread floor, bad ball movement and bad shots

We haven’t played well down the stretch. If there is a switch to flip we need to do it now
Also, immediately after outscoring the opponent 22-2, we can’t let them go on a 50-20 run.



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