KenPom as of Nov 27

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » November 27th, 2023, 9:51 pm

Conference ranking changes since last monday include the Big 10 jumping ahead of the SEC, A10 jumping ahead of the American and Ivy League replacing Conf USA.

MW solidly in that 7 spot.

MW Conference changes since last week include CSU jumping from 54 to 29, New Mexico jumping from 63 to 52, USU jumping from 91 to 63, UNLV dropping from 92 to 127 and Fresno dropping from 120 to 165.

scotlandog · Post by **scotlandog** » November 28th, 2023, 12:23 am

Interesting to note about the conference rankings on Kenpom is that only teams expected to be above .500 in conference play are factored in. So it only uses the top half consisting of:

22 SDSU (13-5)
29 CSU (13-5)
45 Nev (12-6)
52 NM (11-7)
62 USU (10-8)
86 BSU (9-9)

We need SDSU and CSU to stay high.

I see us rising. We have UC Irvine(64) and San Fran (70) as our remaining top100 games left.

Nev has a good win over Washington(65) and has Drake(87) left. They also have a few games just outside top100.

Boise has some opportunities to win big games, they just need to win one. St Mary’s (68), North Texas (74), Washington St (60).

NM, I don’t know how they are this high, they’ve only beaten 114 Toledo and got blown out by St Mary’s. They have La Tech(94) and UC Irvine(64) as their remaining top 100 games.

This upper half consideration though is only for Kenpom. For NET purposes, we want the bottom half to obviously keep rising as well. At least get in Q3 territory and maybe a Q2.

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flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » November 28th, 2023, 6:11 am

scotlandog wrote: ↑
November 28th, 2023, 12:23 am
Interesting to note about the conference rankings on Kenpom is that only teams expected to be above .500 in conference play are factored in. So it only uses the top half consisting of:

22 SDSU (13-5)
29 CSU (13-5)
45 Nev (12-6)
52 NM (11-7)
62 USU (10-8)
86 BSU (9-9)

We need SDSU and CSU to stay high.

I see us rising. We have UC Irvine(64) and San Fran (70) as our remaining top100 games left.

Nev has a good win over Washington(65) and has Drake(87) left. They also have a few games just outside top100.

Boise has some opportunities to win big games, they just need to win one. St Mary’s (68), North Texas (74), Washington St (60).

NM, I don’t know how they are this high, they’ve only beaten 114 Toledo and got blown out by St Mary’s. They have La Tech(94) and UC Irvine(64) as their remaining top 100 games.

This upper half consideration though is only for Kenpom. For NET purposes, we want the bottom half to obviously keep rising as well. At least get in Q3 territory and maybe a Q2.

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I’m not sure what you mean by saying that only the top half are factored in for conference rankings… our average Kenpom is 98, seems like that’s the average of all teams in the conference.

scotlandog · Post by **scotlandog** » November 28th, 2023, 11:02 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
scotlandog wrote: ↑
November 28th, 2023, 12:23 am
Interesting to note about the conference rankings on Kenpom is that only teams expected to be above .500 in conference play are factored in. So it only uses the top half consisting of:

22 SDSU (13-5)
29 CSU (13-5)
45 Nev (12-6)
52 NM (11-7)
62 USU (10-8)
86 BSU (9-9)

We need SDSU and CSU to stay high.

I see us rising. We have UC Irvine(64) and San Fran (70) as our remaining top100 games left.

Nev has a good win over Washington(65) and has Drake(87) left. They also have a few games just outside top100.

Boise has some opportunities to win big games, they just need to win one. St Mary’s (68), North Texas (74), Washington St (60).

NM, I don’t know how they are this high, they’ve only beaten 114 Toledo and got blown out by St Mary’s. They have La Tech(94) and UC Irvine(64) as their remaining top 100 games.

This upper half consideration though is only for Kenpom. For NET purposes, we want the bottom half to obviously keep rising as well. At least get in Q3 territory and maybe a Q2.

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I’m not sure what you mean by saying that only the top half are factored in for conference rankings… our average Kenpom is 98, seems like that’s the average of all teams in the conference.

The topic wasn’t necessarily average Kenpom ranking but conference ranking. The Big12 is #1 at 17.88. MWC is #7 at 8.34. How this value is calculated, I’m not sure.

It’s says though on his site, “Ranking of conferences by AdjEM of team that's expected to go .500 in conference play”. As I reread that I realize I misunderstood what it said. It’s not rankings of teams that are expected to be at least .500 in conference play but rather the ranking of a single hypothetical team or an average of teams that are expected to be at .500 in the conference.

So, In the case of the MWC, we are ranked 8.34 and BSU is the only team expected to be at 9-9 and they are ranked at 8.06 AdjEM. So it’s really where the middle team or teams lie in the conference and their strength.

Again this is for the discussion of conference ranking on Kenpom only. NET doesn’t follow this and I think just sides average NET if I remember correctly.

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ljdent · Post by **ljdent** » November 28th, 2023, 11:50 am

When do NET rankings usually come out?

SectionBAggie · Post by **SectionBAggie** » November 28th, 2023, 11:57 am

First Sunday in December the last couple of years

nvspuds · Post by **nvspuds** » November 28th, 2023, 4:39 pm

The Pack has not played a game in soon to be 11 days. All their movement on these sites has come from what other teams have done over the last 10 days. I don't know how accurate these ranking are at this point.

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