The cost of good players

OrangeCountyAggie · Post by **OrangeCountyAggie** » September 1st, 2023, 1:37 pm

This is wild:

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basket ... oking-for/

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » September 1st, 2023, 1:52 pm

We are definitely value shoppers

sam tingey · Post by **sam tingey** » September 1st, 2023, 1:52 pm

good for the players. pretty crappy for the coaches. Not really awesome for the fans. I really get turned off by being asked to pay the salary of the players through NIL collectives.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » September 1st, 2023, 1:55 pm

On this topic

Does anyone remember where that #3 that played for USU last year went and if the terms of his NIL deal were ever made public?

trevordude · Post by **trevordude** » September 1st, 2023, 2:09 pm

So like 1.5 million to field a high major team?

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » September 1st, 2023, 2:20 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
September 1st, 2023, 1:55 pm
On this topic

Does anyone remember where that #3 that played for USU last year went and if the terms of his NIL deal were ever made public?

Ca$hworth? I don’t think he had enough dog in him to be on this team. I bet he’s found several hundred thousand ways to spend a dollar in Omaha tho

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » September 1st, 2023, 4:51 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
September 1st, 2023, 2:20 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
September 1st, 2023, 1:55 pm
On this topic

Does anyone remember where that #3 that played for USU last year went and if the terms of his NIL deal were ever made public?
Ca$hworth? I don’t think he had enough dog in him to be on this team. I bet he’s found several hundred thousand ways to spend a dollar in Omaha tho

Yeah I don't think he would've fit Sprinkle's style.

SaintAggie · Post by **SaintAggie** » September 1st, 2023, 5:34 pm

As a fan I don't like this, it's stolen alot of enjoyment from me. It also illustrates what a screwjob the old system was financially. What REALLY grinds my gears is that these extremely wealthy kids get taxpayer funded scholarships

Bullnamed_gus · Post by **Bullnamed_gus** » September 1st, 2023, 9:03 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
September 1st, 2023, 2:20 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
September 1st, 2023, 1:55 pm
On this topic

Does anyone remember where that #3 that played for USU last year went and if the terms of his NIL deal were ever made public?
Ca$hworth? I don’t think he had enough dog in him to be on this team. I bet he’s found several hundred thousand ways to spend a dollar in Omaha tho

He doesn’t fit sprinkles style, but he definitely has dog in him. Kind of have too to be as good as he was as a littler guy.

If he was on our team rn we’d be a tournament team with a top 6 seed. I don’t blame him
For leaving but the name Cashworth definitely is the correct term and he tarnished his legacy that he claimed he loved about being at Utah State. It’s too bad. But what can you expect of the rich alpine kid.

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » September 1st, 2023, 9:26 pm

Anyone know if Ashworth graduated before he left?

Hoot · Post by **Hoot** » September 1st, 2023, 9:33 pm

I forgot ashworth even existed. For some reason I’ll never forget Brad Brown though

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » September 1st, 2023, 10:13 pm

Bullnamed_gus wrote: ↑
September 1st, 2023, 9:03 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
September 1st, 2023, 2:20 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
September 1st, 2023, 1:55 pm
On this topic

Does anyone remember where that #3 that played for USU last year went and if the terms of his NIL deal were ever made public?
Ca$hworth? I don’t think he had enough dog in him to be on this team. I bet he’s found several hundred thousand ways to spend a dollar in Omaha tho
He doesn’t fit sprinkles style, but he definitely has dog in him. Kind of have too to be as good as he was as a littler guy.

If he was on our team rn we’d be a tournament team with a top 6 seed. I don’t blame him
For leaving but the name Cashworth definitely is the correct term and he tarnished his legacy that he claimed he loved about being at Utah State. It’s too bad. But what can you expect of the rich alpine kid.

Yeah, I hear you. Just seeing the types of players Sprinkle has brought in, Ashworth doesn’t fit that mold. He is a great player, and I wish we hadn’t lost him, but he had to make his decision. I have no ill will toward him, and I hope he does great, unless we play them at any point during the year.

Real Life Aggie · Post by **Real Life Aggie** » September 2nd, 2023, 12:38 am

We'd be better with Ashworth. I'm sad he's gone; I wish him well. But the team and I have both moved on.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » September 2nd, 2023, 9:10 am

I would argue we would not be better with Ashworth, with this current collection of players and in this scheme. If you try to run Sprinkle's defense with one obvious deficient player on the floor teams will just exploit him over and over. Your defense is only as good as your weakest player.

USUaggienation · Post by **USUaggienation** » September 2nd, 2023, 11:02 am

Just a reminder, “Cashworth” is a positive nickname.

Pacobag · Post by **Pacobag** » September 2nd, 2023, 2:19 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2023, 9:10 am
I would argue we would not be better with Ashworth, with this current collection of players and in this scheme. If you try to run Sprinkle's defense with one obvious deficient player on the floor teams will just exploit him over and over. Your defense is only as good as your weakest player.

At the MW level, I believe Ashworth's tenacity and shooting would more than offset his defensive liabilities. He was a 1st team all MWC selection (by the coaches) and I believe Sprinkle is a solid coach that would know how to effectively integrate him, to leverage strengths and mask weaknesses.

I reserve the right to retract my opinion if the Aggies dominate this year and Ashworth doesn't do well in Omaha.

dirtnsnow · Post by **dirtnsnow** » September 2nd, 2023, 3:50 pm

If Sprinkle can't figure out how to use last season's 4th best 3 point shooter in the nation while minimizing defensive liabilities, he shouldn't be a coach. Maybe Ashworth isn't the type of athlete that will be recruited going forward, but the idea that ashworth wouldn't make it on this team is absurd.

Real Life Aggie · Post by **Real Life Aggie** » September 4th, 2023, 9:41 am

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2023, 9:10 am
I would argue we would not be better with Ashworth, with this current collection of players and in this scheme. If you try to run Sprinkle's defense with one obvious deficient player on the floor teams will just exploit him over and over. Your defense is only as good as your weakest player.

I mean, you can argue whatever you want. It's still a bad point.

Steven may not be the hard-nosed defender others are, but if you think he's not going to take advantage of the situation to draw charges and be pesky on D, then I question how much you watched him play. If he were the worst defender on the floor, he'd be throwing his head back at contact, standing in their way, and hitting the deck when they made any contact. Given his propensity to draw fouls, they'd have to play more gingerly around him.

He wasn't a defensive player, like Queta or Tyler Newbold, but he wasn't bad on defense (a la Jaycee). He could turn up the heat defensively, get in a player's face, keep right on them, and often draw fouls/get steals. He often flustered players on defense.

OrangeCountyAggie · Post by **OrangeCountyAggie** » September 4th, 2023, 10:09 am

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2023, 3:50 pm
If Sprinkle can't figure out how to use last season's 4th best 3 point shooter in the nation while minimizing defensive liabilities, he shouldn't be a coach. Maybe Ashworth isn't the type of athlete that will be recruited going forward, but the idea that ashworth wouldn't make it on this team is absurd.

He'd be an off the bench buckett-getter.

2004AG · Post by **2004AG** » September 4th, 2023, 10:11 am

hipsterdoofus21 wrote:I would argue we would not be better with Ashworth, with this current collection of players and in this scheme. If you try to run Sprinkle's defense with one obvious deficient player on the floor teams will just exploit him over and over. Your defense is only as good as your weakest player.

Surprised it took this long for the

“we are better off without “X” player.”

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Real Life Aggie · Post by **Real Life Aggie** » September 4th, 2023, 12:08 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
September 4th, 2023, 10:09 am

dirtnsnow wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2023, 3:50 pm
If Sprinkle can't figure out how to use last season's 4th best 3 point shooter in the nation while minimizing defensive liabilities, he shouldn't be a coach. Maybe Ashworth isn't the type of athlete that will be recruited going forward, but the idea that ashworth wouldn't make it on this team is absurd.
He'd be an off the bench buckett-getter.

That's a laughably bad take. I think you've been a Kings fan for too long; I can't think of another excuse for such a bad strategy.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » September 4th, 2023, 12:28 pm

I just hated how Ashworth was always trying to pump up the crowd. Like put your hands down and play the game bro. Quit trying to get everybody all pumped or whatever.

bpd · Post by **bpd** » September 4th, 2023, 12:40 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2023, 9:10 am
I would argue we would not be better with Ashworth, with this current collection of players and in this scheme. If you try to run Sprinkle's defense with one obvious deficient player on the floor teams will just exploit him over and over. Your defense is only as good as your weakest player.

Fit in the system is important and a big thing. That said, the USU team this year will struggle with shooting. Ashworth could have solved that problem by himself. We will miss him.... that said, screw em.

Pacobag · Post by **Pacobag** » September 4th, 2023, 1:14 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
September 4th, 2023, 12:28 pm
I just hated how Ashworth was always trying to pump up the crowd. Like put your hands down and play the game bro. Quit trying to get everybody all pumped or whatever.

I’m a little mixed on this. His teammates really seemed to respect him and his leadership. Getting the crowd fired up is good, but I also thought he did it a bit too much or at non-ideal times.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » September 4th, 2023, 1:18 pm

Pacobag wrote: ↑
September 4th, 2023, 1:14 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
September 4th, 2023, 12:28 pm
I just hated how Ashworth was always trying to pump up the crowd. Like put your hands down and play the game bro. Quit trying to get everybody all pumped or whatever.
I’m a little mixed on this. His teammates really seemed to respect him and his leadership. Getting the crowd fired up is good, but I also thought he did it a bit too much or at non-ideal times.

I was mostly making fun of that tv announcer, but all your points are valid

Pacobag · Post by **Pacobag** » September 4th, 2023, 1:26 pm

I’m super impressed by Sprinkle and the staff’s ability to assemble what appears to be a really good roster in such a short amount of time. On the flip side, I’m in wait and see mode as all-conference players in a lesser conference don’t always translate to studs in a better conference. Same with former highly rated high school players that haven’t proven themselves as significant contributors in the NCAA. Same with transfers from higher rated conferences that were an average or below average contributor on a team that was rated notably below USU. I hope these guys have a chip on their shoulder, play their guts out, and have great chemistry. Then it could be a special season.

dirtnsnow · Post by **dirtnsnow** » September 4th, 2023, 1:44 pm

bpd wrote: ↑
September 4th, 2023, 12:40 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
September 2nd, 2023, 9:10 am
I would argue we would not be better with Ashworth, with this current collection of players and in this scheme. If you try to run Sprinkle's defense with one obvious deficient player on the floor teams will just exploit him over and over. Your defense is only as good as your weakest player.
Fit in the system is important and a big thing. That said, the USU team this year will struggle with shooting. Ashworth could have solved that problem by himself. We will miss him.... that said, screw em.

When you are a good coach, you tweak the system to fit your team's strengths. Ashworth's shooting is a strength regardless of what jersey he's wearing or who the coach is. If Sprinkle had him and was any Sprinkle is a good coach, the system would be changed to fit Ashworth's strength.

GameFAQSAggie · Post by **GameFAQSAggie** » September 4th, 2023, 3:27 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑
September 4th, 2023, 10:11 am
Surprised it took this long for the

“we are better off without “X” player.”

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Different sport but
"We will be better without Nevin Lawson. All he does is commit stupid pass interference penalties."
Sincerely,
Aggie fans in 2012 or 2013 if we had NIL and the portal back then and he left.

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » September 4th, 2023, 7:56 pm

GameFAQSAggie wrote: ↑
September 4th, 2023, 3:27 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑
September 4th, 2023, 10:11 am
Surprised it took this long for the

“we are better off without “X” player.”
Different sport but
"We will be better without Nevin Lawson. All he does is commit stupid pass interference penalties."
Sincerely,
Aggie fans in 2012 or 2013 if we had NIL and the portal back then and he left.

Simply a variation on Shakespeare: "[P]roclaim it, Westmoreland , through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us."

NVAggie · Post by **NVAggie** » September 5th, 2023, 7:45 am

Ashworth was great, and I hope he does fine in his new home. I'm not a fan of his now because he plays elsewhere. As for NIL, it is ruining college sports for me as a fan. I think it is great that the players get some money. I am not a fan of the inequality and constant player movement. Schools like USU have no protection. That isn't a good thing for the sport.

MetsJetsAggies · Post by **MetsJetsAggies** » September 7th, 2023, 12:02 pm

I think this would all be fine if the transfer rules were a little better. They should encourage players to stick around a program for 3+ years without mandating it, you should have to sit out a year if you transfer before year 4 (used to be 5/grad transfer anyway).

The NIL stuff was designed to let star players who stay at a program benefit off their popularity within a community, with the transfer rules changed also it became free agency instead. Although to be fair the transfer rules benefitted us this year even without pouring money into NIL so we will see what happens

mcaggie1 · Post by **mcaggie1** » September 17th, 2023, 5:03 pm

MetsJetsAggies wrote: ↑
September 7th, 2023, 12:02 pm
I think this would all be fine if the transfer rules were a little better. They should encourage players to stick around a program for 3+ years without mandating it, you should have to sit out a year if you transfer before year 4 (used to be 5/grad transfer anyway).

The NIL stuff was designed to let star players who stay at a program benefit off their popularity within a community, with the transfer rules changed also it became free agency instead. Although to be fair the transfer rules benefitted us this year even without pouring money into NIL so we will see what happens

You make interesting points, but how are you going to keep your players if you encourage and not mandate??? They will still leave when it comes time.

TrueAG · Post by **TrueAG** » September 17th, 2023, 5:42 pm

NIL is new, we haven't see the long term effects yet. There isn't new found fans and supporters. This will just pull money from somewhere else. I am guessing donations to the University.

Post by **AggiesForever** » September 19th, 2023, 2:02 am

TrueAG wrote: ↑
September 17th, 2023, 5:42 pm
NIL is new, we haven't see the long term effects yet. There isn't new found fans and supporters. This will just pull money from somewhere else. I am guessing donations to the University.

Ding Ding Ding! When you are a program with a growing but basically casual fan base and you're struggling raising funds for the university's "donor club," and now you have "Plan A" NIL fund coming along, are these basically casual fans going to support both? Possibly, but at very low levels. Your died in the wool supporters will try to support as best they can, but eventually they will top out and be able to give no more.

Now all you have left are the big boys. A few of them, like you know who, who have a long historical tie to the school, will give large amounts to USU over and over again.

Most of them, however, got their money by being careful with it. If you can't make an emotional appeal to them, they will not increase their giving above what they already do. If you can tap into their emotional appeal, you might get a big, one-time gift. But if you can't get that emotional support, they will continue making excuses as to why they can't increase their giving. This is what I give-- this is all I give.

I see the need for NIL giving-- this is the world we live in. What I can't see is your typical Aggie being involved in it. He sees himself as a person that got his degree, went out into the workforce and has struggled and worked his arse off to get to where he is--a nice job with a nice median income salary-- and he's happy giving his $100-$500 a year to the Aggies Unlimited. Be he's going to have a hard time seeing why he needs to support Joe Athlete who hasn't done anything yet, but wants to be paid like some kind of celebrity.

Thats going to turn a lot of people off. I hope I'm wrong and people come out of the woodwork to support our NIL efforts.

Section_L_Aggie · Post by **Section_L_Aggie** » September 19th, 2023, 10:43 am

AggiesForever wrote: ↑
September 19th, 2023, 2:02 am

TrueAG wrote: ↑
September 17th, 2023, 5:42 pm
NIL is new, we haven't see the long term effects yet. There isn't new found fans and supporters. This will just pull money from somewhere else. I am guessing donations to the University.
Ding Ding Ding! When you are a program with a growing but basically casual fan base and you're struggling raising funds for the university's "donor club," and now you have "Plan A" NIL fund coming along, are these basically casual fans going to support both? Possibly, but at very low levels. Your died in the wool supporters will try to support as best they can, but eventually they will top out and be able to give no more.

Now all you have left are the big boys. A few of them, like you know who, who have a long historical tie to the school, will give large amounts to USU over and over again.

Most of them, however, got their money by being careful with it. If you can't make an emotional appeal to them, they will not increase their giving above what they already do. If you can tap into their emotional appeal, you might get a big, one-time gift. But if you can't get that emotional support, they will continue making excuses as to why they can't increase their giving. This is what I give-- this is all I give.

I see the need for NIL giving-- this is the world we live in. What I can't see is your typical Aggie being involved in it. He sees himself as a person that got his degree, went out into the workforce and has struggled and worked his arse off to get to where he is--a nice job with a nice median income salary-- and he's happy giving his $100-$500 a year to the Aggies Unlimited. Be he's going to have a hard time seeing why he needs to support Joe Athlete who hasn't done anything yet, but wants to be paid like some kind of celebrity.

Thats going to turn a lot of people off. I hope I'm wrong and people come out of the woodwork to support our NIL efforts.

Couldn't agree more. We're new parents and just don't have more money to donate to a collective on top of what we've already donated to Aggies Unlimited/Scholarship funds.

It's frustrating because we love our AGGIES but money is tight and we have to be smart about it. Maybe in 10 years or so we'll be in a different spot but right now it just doesn't add up.

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