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Ashworth's "The Decision"
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"
I haven't thought of Abel Porter once since he graduated.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"
Do you think he was in the same plane as Sam Merrill or Jaycee to begin with? Talent wise?Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 6:51 pmTrue Aggie in the context of this thread means an Aggie all time great. Unless a player did something truly special like drop 30 in a tourney win, don't think they can qualify if they leave for another school.Imakeitrain wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 6:08 pmIdk. That distinction seems fruitless to me. It reminds me of back in the day when fans on message boards would be like “you’re not a true fan”. Or when I was a kid going on scout camps some weird kid would always be like “you’re not a real camper”Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 5:54 pmNot even close to Collette and I don't blame ashworth at all. What young person or any person wouldn't go make more money doing what you love? I hope he does well at Creighton. That said, hard to argue he is a "true Aggie" when he left for another school. A true Aggie wouldnt choose anywhere else to play. True bluejay maybe.Imakeitrain wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 5:50 pmNot even close, Collette quit weeks before the season and left us out to dry.aggiesdotcom wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 5:49 pmHe has cemented his legacy in the same breath as the Stavon Williams and David Collettes of Aggie lore.
He’s not a literal Aggie anymore, true. He’s a blue jay. But I am happy for the man. I don’t think we need to jump into who “real Aggies” are discussion
I dont want to get too caught up in semantics though. I will agree that had he stayed he may have been viewed as a fan favorite and now he wont be.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"
I need to see this sign in The Spectrum next year:
Splashworth --> Ca$hworth
or
Splashworth >>> Ca$hworth
Splashworth --> Ca$hworth
or
Splashworth >>> Ca$hworth
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"
Networth.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"
No not as good as those 2, but he would have been thought of along with the tai Wesleys and Gary Wilkinson's of the world had he finished his career with 2 more great seasons.Imakeitrain wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 7:13 pmDo you think he was in the same plane as Sam Merrill or Jaycee to begin with? Talent wise?Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 6:51 pmTrue Aggie in the context of this thread means an Aggie all time great. Unless a player did something truly special like drop 30 in a tourney win, don't think they can qualify if they leave for another school.Imakeitrain wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 6:08 pmIdk. That distinction seems fruitless to me. It reminds me of back in the day when fans on message boards would be like “you’re not a true fan”. Or when I was a kid going on scout camps some weird kid would always be like “you’re not a real camper”Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 5:54 pmNot even close to Collette and I don't blame ashworth at all. What young person or any person wouldn't go make more money doing what you love? I hope he does well at Creighton. That said, hard to argue he is a "true Aggie" when he left for another school. A true Aggie wouldnt choose anywhere else to play. True bluejay maybe.Imakeitrain wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 5:50 pmNot even close, Collette quit weeks before the season and left us out to dry.aggiesdotcom wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 5:49 pmHe has cemented his legacy in the same breath as the Stavon Williams and David Collettes of Aggie lore.
He’s not a literal Aggie anymore, true. He’s a blue jay. But I am happy for the man. I don’t think we need to jump into who “real Aggies” are discussion
I dont want to get too caught up in semantics though. I will agree that had he stayed he may have been viewed as a fan favorite and now he wont be.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"
The “masters degree from a prestigious university” exceptionLarryTheAggie wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 7:01 pmWhat about Abel Porter?Cuchelain wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 6:58 pmI think any player who played out their career at Utah State (i.e. finished here) and is a high character guy is a true-blooded Aggie. That includes guys like Trevin Dorius and Taylor Funk and Dan Akin to name a few. I don't think you have to be an all-time great player or play here for all four years. I also think that leaving early to pursue a professional basketball career in the NBA is understandable and does not disqualify a player from being a true-blooded Aggie. To me there is no question that Neemias Queta and Justin Bean are true-blooded Aggies.
But choosing to leave for another school automatically disqualifies a player from being a true-blooded Aggie.
Left as a grad transfer. I still consider him an Aggie.
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I believe you meant to say that the NIL will be the death of Aggie athletics as we know it. Many schools with seemingly unlimited resources will prosper under the new landscape. Even Alabama is fearful of the size of the wallets of the Texas schools. USU has long been hampered by its location, size of its contributing/attending fanbase and other limitations. The NIL only compounds our circumstance. USU and schools like USU have now become the minor league for the big boys in regards to players and coaches. As soon as either shows promise a well-endowed school will wave its $$$$ and the Aggies will start again from scratch. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Four-year Aggie stars, like the players you mentioned, will be as rare as chicken’s teeth. I’m even unsure if any of those players would have gone down in Aggie lore had they also played under the current rules, i.e., no rules.AngusAg wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 4:13 pmThis summarizes my feelings towards SA.NVAggie wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 3:50 pmI want to make it clear that I hope he does well. I wish him no ill will. I just don't really care about his career now that he has taken his talents to Omaha. I won't follow him in the stat sheet. I couldn't care less. He isn't an Aggie anymore. I refuse to count him as an Aggie like Merrill, Nelson, and Carroll.
Don't mention him in the same breath as Estes, Tebbs, Hunger, McElreath, Grant, Nelson, Quayle, Carroll, Merrill and a host of others. Not even close. NIL will be the death of college athletics as we've known it.
Approx 45 million Americans have student loans equating to approx $1.5T debt. NIL on top of full rides is nuts, IMO. Mercenary is a pretty accurate description.
I cringe anytime I hear the term “student-athlete”. For the two major men’s sports that is simply a euphemism for “professional”. There’s a time-honored joke that speaks to the present circumstance. The punchline is as follows:
The alluring woman: “What do you take me for?”
The wealthy letch: “Oh we’ve already established that. We are now negotiating the price!”
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"
I vote that we don’t mention Ashworth in the Spectrum next year at all.
I further suggest that we stop talking about him now and let the threads with his name in them quietly move off of the front page of the forum.
Let’s focus on the formation of next year’s team.
I further suggest that we stop talking about him now and let the threads with his name in them quietly move off of the front page of the forum.
Let’s focus on the formation of next year’s team.
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Agreed! Let's move forward and talk about the guys that want to call USU their home! Front of jersey!!!cval wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 7:27 pmI vote that we don’t mention Ashworth in the Spectrum next year at all.
I further suggest that we stop talking about him now and let the threads with his name in them quietly move off of the front page of the forum.
Let’s focus on the formation of next year’s team.
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Agreed. Until today there was at least the theoretical possibility that he would return, even though it turned out to be a futile hope. Now it is official. Time to move on.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"
Ultimately, I cheer for the laundry.
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I suspect there will be more than a handful of us here who will be interested in Ashworth’s contribution to Creighton over the next two years whether he is mentioned on this board or not.
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I get why he is leaving and I hope he does well. He did a great job here and really worked hard every year on improving his game. That being said, he is definitely not a true Aggie.
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I take the Don Draper “I don’t think of you at all” approach to most players that leave.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 7:08 pmI haven't thought of Abel Porter once since he graduated.
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Personally I would not. I guess it's all opinions. In my opinion Ashworth had a breakout year this year after showing some promise at times last year. It's hard to compare because they both dont even play similar positions as Ashworth & Gary came in as an upper classman. If it's me I'd slot Ashworth below those 2 but above Quayle or Jardine and a couple slots above someone like Medlin. That's just my opinion though and I'm not a basketball guy.Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 7:17 pmNo not as good as those 2, but he would have been thought of along with the tai Wesleys and Gary Wilkinson's of the world had he finished his career with 2 more great seasons.Imakeitrain wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 7:13 pmDo you think he was in the same plane as Sam Merrill or Jaycee to begin with? Talent wise?Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 6:51 pmTrue Aggie in the context of this thread means an Aggie all time great. Unless a player did something truly special like drop 30 in a tourney win, don't think they can qualify if they leave for another school.Imakeitrain wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 6:08 pmIdk. That distinction seems fruitless to me. It reminds me of back in the day when fans on message boards would be like “you’re not a true fan”. Or when I was a kid going on scout camps some weird kid would always be like “you’re not a real camper”Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 5:54 pmNot even close to Collette and I don't blame ashworth at all. What young person or any person wouldn't go make more money doing what you love? I hope he does well at Creighton. That said, hard to argue he is a "true Aggie" when he left for another school. A true Aggie wouldnt choose anywhere else to play. True bluejay maybe.Imakeitrain wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 5:50 pmNot even close, Collette quit weeks before the season and left us out to dry.aggiesdotcom wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 5:49 pmHe has cemented his legacy in the same breath as the Stavon Williams and David Collettes of Aggie lore.
He’s not a literal Aggie anymore, true. He’s a blue jay. But I am happy for the man. I don’t think we need to jump into who “real Aggies” are discussion
I dont want to get too caught up in semantics though. I will agree that had he stayed he may have been viewed as a fan favorite and now he wont be.
But some players who do excellent things aren't "all time greats" in talent but are all-time greats as Aggies. For example, I have always admired Tyler Newbold. But I don't think many people would put Tyler up that high. That doesn't mean Newbold wasn't an excellent player. He shutdown Paul George. I think he was an excellent player- just like I think Ashworth has developed into an excellent player. But that isn't why Newbold is one of my favorite people on the planet let alone to wear an Aggie uniform. Tyler Newbold is probably the most humble and genuine person I've ever met. Despite his BYU roots he will be an Aggie favorite not just for me but also for quite a few others I'm sure. That is what I think Ashworth is missing out on. It is what it is. It's not like Ashworth should really care about the validation of others.
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I am confident that Ashworth’s NIL contract will go a long way assuage his disappointment in not becoming a true Aggie.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"
Quayle > Ashworth
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I’ve heard upwards of $500,000
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Porter had 2 Utah State degrees, and had been in Logan for a long time. I don’t blame him for leaving it was strictly to get a different degree, I doubt he would’ve played there at all lol
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I'm not going to bag on the guy. I appreciate what he did for Utah State when he played. I think it is smart to focus on the future, but let's not say this guy is a degenerate now that he's leaving for a different school, or try to say this player that used to play at Utah State was better than him. This is a day and age of college sports that players are going to come and go a lot faster than the full four years. Get used to it, or follow something different than college sports.
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Sure, but this is usufans.com, not usuexplayers.com. Ashworth made the best decision for him and his family. In fact I don't think he could not have made it now that he is married. Hard to look at your wife and tell her you are turning down 100,000's of dollars.
As an Aggie fan though, I hold no ill will, but certainly won't remember him as an Aggie great or include him among the greats who have worn the Aggie uniform.
Now we move forward and I am excited for who Sprinkle brings in.
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Team leader and leading scorer leaves to a dental school with several $K in his pocket and the place turns into cougar board. 
If Amazon .... offered me the money mentioned, when I was a junior at Usu, I'd have not let the door hit me.
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Oh boyBlue Sage wrote:I’m relieved he is gone. You can already start to see the pieces coming together now. Gonna be more athletic and have some defense to us. Hopefully we get really mean real blue collar. That formula has always worked best in the spectrum.
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Yep. Got to do what’s best for yourself and family. That would be quite the offer to turn downWAAggie wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 8:35 pmTeam leader and leading scorer leaves to a dental school with several $K in his pocket and the place turns into cougar board.
If Amazon .... offered me the money mentioned, when I was a junior at Usu, I'd have not let the door hit me.
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Cougs being cougs
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flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 3:43 pmGood for Ashworth. Go chase some paper. It’s strictly business. He will always be a true-hearted Aggie.













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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"
Yes, please, more that!
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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stang wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 4:43 pmHe left to play for a team that has a legit shot at a national championship, huge NIL potential, and good academics.
I'm not happy about it, I wish he had stayed, and I'm not going to be cheering for Creighton any more or less than I otherwise would have. But I certainly can't fault the kid.



















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I agree with this he can do as he chooses, but I never want to hear him say he is an Aggie, because he isn't.Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑April 17th, 2023, 8:34 pmSure, but this is usufans.com, not usuexplayers.com. Ashworth made the best decision for him and his family. In fact I don't think he could not have made it now that he is married. Hard to look at your wife and tell her you are turning down 100,000's of dollars.
As an Aggie fan though, I hold no ill will, but certainly won't remember him as an Aggie great or include him among the greats who have worn the Aggie uniform.
Now we move forward and I am excited for who Sprinkle brings in.
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