Ashworth's "The Decision"

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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by Cuchelain » April 17th, 2023, 7:05 pm

Maybe I need to add some more exceptions. I definitely think of Abel Porter as a true-blooded Aggie.



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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by hipsterdoofus21 » April 17th, 2023, 7:08 pm

I haven't thought of Abel Porter once since he graduated.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by Imakeitrain » April 17th, 2023, 7:13 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 6:51 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 6:08 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 5:54 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 5:50 pm
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He has cemented his legacy in the same breath as the Stavon Williams and David Collettes of Aggie lore.
Not even close, Collette quit weeks before the season and left us out to dry.
Not even close to Collette and I don't blame ashworth at all. What young person or any person wouldn't go make more money doing what you love? I hope he does well at Creighton. That said, hard to argue he is a "true Aggie" when he left for another school. A true Aggie wouldnt choose anywhere else to play. True bluejay maybe.
Idk. That distinction seems fruitless to me. It reminds me of back in the day when fans on message boards would be like “you’re not a true fan”. Or when I was a kid going on scout camps some weird kid would always be like “you’re not a real camper”

He’s not a literal Aggie anymore, true. He’s a blue jay. But I am happy for the man. I don’t think we need to jump into who “real Aggies” are discussion
True Aggie in the context of this thread means an Aggie all time great. Unless a player did something truly special like drop 30 in a tourney win, don't think they can qualify if they leave for another school.
Do you think he was in the same plane as Sam Merrill or Jaycee to begin with? Talent wise?

I dont want to get too caught up in semantics though. I will agree that had he stayed he may have been viewed as a fan favorite and now he wont be.



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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by Aglicious » April 17th, 2023, 7:14 pm

I need to see this sign in The Spectrum next year:

Splashworth --> Ca$hworth

or

Splashworth >>> Ca$hworth
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by ineptimusprime » April 17th, 2023, 7:16 pm

Aglicious wrote:
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I need to see this sign in The Spectrum next year:

Splashworth --> Ca$hworth
Networth.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » April 17th, 2023, 7:17 pm

Imakeitrain wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 7:13 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 6:51 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 6:08 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 5:54 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 5:50 pm
aggiesdotcom wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 5:49 pm
He has cemented his legacy in the same breath as the Stavon Williams and David Collettes of Aggie lore.
Not even close, Collette quit weeks before the season and left us out to dry.
Not even close to Collette and I don't blame ashworth at all. What young person or any person wouldn't go make more money doing what you love? I hope he does well at Creighton. That said, hard to argue he is a "true Aggie" when he left for another school. A true Aggie wouldnt choose anywhere else to play. True bluejay maybe.
Idk. That distinction seems fruitless to me. It reminds me of back in the day when fans on message boards would be like “you’re not a true fan”. Or when I was a kid going on scout camps some weird kid would always be like “you’re not a real camper”

He’s not a literal Aggie anymore, true. He’s a blue jay. But I am happy for the man. I don’t think we need to jump into who “real Aggies” are discussion
True Aggie in the context of this thread means an Aggie all time great. Unless a player did something truly special like drop 30 in a tourney win, don't think they can qualify if they leave for another school.
Do you think he was in the same plane as Sam Merrill or Jaycee to begin with? Talent wise?

I dont want to get too caught up in semantics though. I will agree that had he stayed he may have been viewed as a fan favorite and now he wont be.
No not as good as those 2, but he would have been thought of along with the tai Wesleys and Gary Wilkinson's of the world had he finished his career with 2 more great seasons.



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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » April 17th, 2023, 7:18 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 7:01 pm
Cuchelain wrote:
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I think any player who played out their career at Utah State (i.e. finished here) and is a high character guy is a true-blooded Aggie. That includes guys like Trevin Dorius and Taylor Funk and Dan Akin to name a few. I don't think you have to be an all-time great player or play here for all four years. I also think that leaving early to pursue a professional basketball career in the NBA is understandable and does not disqualify a player from being a true-blooded Aggie. To me there is no question that Neemias Queta and Justin Bean are true-blooded Aggies.

But choosing to leave for another school automatically disqualifies a player from being a true-blooded Aggie.
What about Abel Porter?

Left as a grad transfer. I still consider him an Aggie.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by utaggies » April 17th, 2023, 7:24 pm

AngusAg wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 4:13 pm
NVAggie wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 3:50 pm
NVAggie wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 3:36 pm
Don't care. If he isn't an Aggie then I don't bother following.
I want to make it clear that I hope he does well. I wish him no ill will. I just don't really care about his career now that he has taken his talents to Omaha. I won't follow him in the stat sheet. I couldn't care less. He isn't an Aggie anymore. I refuse to count him as an Aggie like Merrill, Nelson, and Carroll.
This summarizes my feelings towards SA.

Don't mention him in the same breath as Estes, Tebbs, Hunger, McElreath, Grant, Nelson, Quayle, Carroll, Merrill and a host of others. Not even close. NIL will be the death of college athletics as we've known it.

Approx 45 million Americans have student loans equating to approx $1.5T debt. NIL on top of full rides is nuts, IMO. Mercenary is a pretty accurate description.
I believe you meant to say that the NIL will be the death of Aggie athletics as we know it. Many schools with seemingly unlimited resources will prosper under the new landscape. Even Alabama is fearful of the size of the wallets of the Texas schools. USU has long been hampered by its location, size of its contributing/attending fanbase and other limitations. The NIL only compounds our circumstance. USU and schools like USU have now become the minor league for the big boys in regards to players and coaches. As soon as either shows promise a well-endowed school will wave its $$$$ and the Aggies will start again from scratch. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Four-year Aggie stars, like the players you mentioned, will be as rare as chicken’s teeth. I’m even unsure if any of those players would have gone down in Aggie lore had they also played under the current rules, i.e., no rules.

I cringe anytime I hear the term “student-athlete”. For the two major men’s sports that is simply a euphemism for “professional”. There’s a time-honored joke that speaks to the present circumstance. The punchline is as follows:

The alluring woman: “What do you take me for?”

The wealthy letch: “Oh we’ve already established that. We are now negotiating the price!”
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by cval » April 17th, 2023, 7:27 pm

I vote that we don’t mention Ashworth in the Spectrum next year at all.

I further suggest that we stop talking about him now and let the threads with his name in them quietly move off of the front page of the forum.

Let’s focus on the formation of next year’s team.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by ragnarh77 » April 17th, 2023, 7:28 pm

cval wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 7:27 pm
I vote that we don’t mention Ashworth in the Spectrum next year at all.

I further suggest that we stop talking about him now and let the threads with his name in them quietly move off of the front page of the forum.

Let’s focus on the formation of next year’s team.
Agreed! Let's move forward and talk about the guys that want to call USU their home! Front of jersey!!!



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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by Cuchelain » April 17th, 2023, 7:33 pm

Agreed. Until today there was at least the theoretical possibility that he would return, even though it turned out to be a futile hope. Now it is official. Time to move on.



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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by 3rdGenAggie » April 17th, 2023, 7:41 pm

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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by utaggies » April 17th, 2023, 7:41 pm

I suspect there will be more than a handful of us here who will be interested in Ashworth’s contribution to Creighton over the next two years whether he is mentioned on this board or not.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by gomretat » April 17th, 2023, 7:42 pm

I get why he is leaving and I hope he does well. He did a great job here and really worked hard every year on improving his game. That being said, he is definitely not a true Aggie.



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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by ineptimusprime » April 17th, 2023, 7:47 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 7:08 pm
I haven't thought of Abel Porter once since he graduated.
I take the Don Draper “I don’t think of you at all” approach to most players that leave.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by Imakeitrain » April 17th, 2023, 7:47 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 7:17 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 7:13 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 6:51 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 6:08 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 5:54 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 5:50 pm
aggiesdotcom wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 5:49 pm
He has cemented his legacy in the same breath as the Stavon Williams and David Collettes of Aggie lore.
Not even close, Collette quit weeks before the season and left us out to dry.
Not even close to Collette and I don't blame ashworth at all. What young person or any person wouldn't go make more money doing what you love? I hope he does well at Creighton. That said, hard to argue he is a "true Aggie" when he left for another school. A true Aggie wouldnt choose anywhere else to play. True bluejay maybe.
Idk. That distinction seems fruitless to me. It reminds me of back in the day when fans on message boards would be like “you’re not a true fan”. Or when I was a kid going on scout camps some weird kid would always be like “you’re not a real camper”

He’s not a literal Aggie anymore, true. He’s a blue jay. But I am happy for the man. I don’t think we need to jump into who “real Aggies” are discussion
True Aggie in the context of this thread means an Aggie all time great. Unless a player did something truly special like drop 30 in a tourney win, don't think they can qualify if they leave for another school.
Do you think he was in the same plane as Sam Merrill or Jaycee to begin with? Talent wise?

I dont want to get too caught up in semantics though. I will agree that had he stayed he may have been viewed as a fan favorite and now he wont be.
No not as good as those 2, but he would have been thought of along with the tai Wesleys and Gary Wilkinson's of the world had he finished his career with 2 more great seasons.
Personally I would not. I guess it's all opinions. In my opinion Ashworth had a breakout year this year after showing some promise at times last year. It's hard to compare because they both dont even play similar positions as Ashworth & Gary came in as an upper classman. If it's me I'd slot Ashworth below those 2 but above Quayle or Jardine and a couple slots above someone like Medlin. That's just my opinion though and I'm not a basketball guy.

But some players who do excellent things aren't "all time greats" in talent but are all-time greats as Aggies. For example, I have always admired Tyler Newbold. But I don't think many people would put Tyler up that high. That doesn't mean Newbold wasn't an excellent player. He shutdown Paul George. I think he was an excellent player- just like I think Ashworth has developed into an excellent player. But that isn't why Newbold is one of my favorite people on the planet let alone to wear an Aggie uniform. Tyler Newbold is probably the most humble and genuine person I've ever met. Despite his BYU roots he will be an Aggie favorite not just for me but also for quite a few others I'm sure. That is what I think Ashworth is missing out on. It is what it is. It's not like Ashworth should really care about the validation of others.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by utaggies » April 17th, 2023, 7:49 pm

gomretat wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 7:42 pm
I get why he is leaving and I hope he does well. He did a great job here and really worked hard every year on improving his game. That being said, he is definitely not a true Aggie.
I am confident that Ashworth’s NIL contract will go a long way assuage his disappointment in not becoming a true Aggie.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by hipsterdoofus21 » April 17th, 2023, 7:55 pm

Quayle > Ashworth
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by Dwigt » April 17th, 2023, 8:05 pm

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Very respectable choice. Shocked Creighton offered more than $200K in NIL money.
I’ve heard upwards of $500,000
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by Bullnamed_gus » April 17th, 2023, 8:13 pm

Cuchelain wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 7:05 pm
Maybe I need to add some more exceptions. I definitely think of Abel Porter as a true-blooded Aggie.
Porter had 2 Utah State degrees, and had been in Logan for a long time. I don’t blame him for leaving it was strictly to get a different degree, I doubt he would’ve played there at all lol



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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by Aggiealum13 » April 17th, 2023, 8:19 pm

I'm not going to bag on the guy. I appreciate what he did for Utah State when he played. I think it is smart to focus on the future, but let's not say this guy is a degenerate now that he's leaving for a different school, or try to say this player that used to play at Utah State was better than him. This is a day and age of college sports that players are going to come and go a lot faster than the full four years. Get used to it, or follow something different than college sports.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » April 17th, 2023, 8:34 pm

utaggies wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 7:49 pm
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April 17th, 2023, 7:42 pm
I get why he is leaving and I hope he does well. He did a great job here and really worked hard every year on improving his game. That being said, he is definitely not a true Aggie.
I am confident that Ashworth’s NIL contract will go a long way assuage his disappointment in not becoming a true Aggie.
Sure, but this is usufans.com, not usuexplayers.com. Ashworth made the best decision for him and his family. In fact I don't think he could not have made it now that he is married. Hard to look at your wife and tell her you are turning down 100,000's of dollars.

As an Aggie fan though, I hold no ill will, but certainly won't remember him as an Aggie great or include him among the greats who have worn the Aggie uniform.

Now we move forward and I am excited for who Sprinkle brings in.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by WAAggie » April 17th, 2023, 8:35 pm

Team leader and leading scorer leaves to a dental school with several $K in his pocket and the place turns into cougar board.

If Amazon .... offered me the money mentioned, when I was a junior at Usu, I'd have not let the door hit me.


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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by TrueAG » April 17th, 2023, 8:36 pm

Dwigt wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 8:05 pm
918AGG wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 4:02 pm
Very respectable choice. Shocked Creighton offered more than $200K in NIL money.
I’ve heard upwards of $500,000
That's insane...Just to watch bad basketball controlled by refs



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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by 2004AG » April 17th, 2023, 8:52 pm

Blue Sage wrote:I’m relieved he is gone. You can already start to see the pieces coming together now. Gonna be more athletic and have some defense to us. Hopefully we get really mean real blue collar. That formula has always worked best in the spectrum.
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Post by SpectrumMagic » April 17th, 2023, 8:54 pm

:rant:
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April 17th, 2023, 8:35 pm
Team leader and leading scorer leaves to a dental school with several $K in his pocket and the place turns into cougar board. Image

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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

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Cougs being cougs :puke: ...
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by JFWAggie » April 17th, 2023, 9:08 pm

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Good for Ashworth. Go chase some paper. It’s strictly business. He will always be a true-hearted Aggie.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

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Aggies1888 wrote:
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Cougs being cougs :puke: ...
Yes, please, more that!🙏


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by JFWAggie » April 17th, 2023, 9:09 pm

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He left to play for a team that has a legit shot at a national championship, huge NIL potential, and good academics.

I'm not happy about it, I wish he had stayed, and I'm not going to be cheering for Creighton any more or less than I otherwise would have. But I certainly can't fault the kid.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by JFWAggie » April 17th, 2023, 9:13 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 8:34 pm
utaggies wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 7:49 pm
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April 17th, 2023, 7:42 pm
I get why he is leaving and I hope he does well. He did a great job here and really worked hard every year on improving his game. That being said, he is definitely not a true Aggie.
I am confident that Ashworth’s NIL contract will go a long way assuage his disappointment in not becoming a true Aggie.
Sure, but this is usufans.com, not usuexplayers.com. Ashworth made the best decision for him and his family. In fact I don't think he could not have made it now that he is married. Hard to look at your wife and tell her you are turning down 100,000's of dollars.

As an Aggie fan though, I hold no ill will, but certainly won't remember him as an Aggie great or include him among the greats who have worn the Aggie uniform.

Now we move forward and I am excited for who Sprinkle brings in.
I agree with this he can do as he chooses, but I never want to hear him say he is an Aggie, because he isn't.
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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

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Re: Ashworth's "The Decision"

Post by TrueAG » April 17th, 2023, 9:18 pm

Aggies1888 wrote:
April 17th, 2023, 9:01 pm
Cougs being cougs :puke: ...
Double indoctrination



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