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Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by treesap32 » November 28th, 2022, 3:35 pm

A few people were wondering what Coach Ard's contract looks like (including buyout). Wonder no more:

https://www.usustats.com/blog/2022/11/2 ... tah-state/
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by rAggie » November 28th, 2022, 4:01 pm

Assuming typo on $300k per year for media appearances.

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Post by aggieguy13 » November 28th, 2022, 4:09 pm

Yeesh. I'm starting to think that this is the article that caused Hartwell to resign, not the SLTrib stuff.



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Post by coolag » November 28th, 2022, 4:24 pm

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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by LarryTheAggie » November 28th, 2022, 4:27 pm

Wowsers, she is making almost as much as Tim Dureya was. Would have been better to just keep him on contract but assign him to the women's team.

I think he could have done a great job there.
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Post by Aggie84025 » November 28th, 2022, 4:30 pm

She is being paid way too much for a program that brings in almost 0 revenue. The results on the court are also awful as well.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by TrueBlueFan » November 28th, 2022, 4:33 pm

I would sign up to be coach for 1-4 of that and I bet I could do just as good.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by Aggie702 » November 28th, 2022, 4:45 pm

Is it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?

Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by Aggie84025 » November 28th, 2022, 4:52 pm

Aggie702 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 4:45 pm
Is it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?

Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
I can't think it is $300k/year in media appearances but $300k over the course of the contract. She is not worth 60k annually of media appearances let alone 300k/year in media appearances.



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by Dkdavis » November 28th, 2022, 5:35 pm

Aggie84025 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 4:30 pm
She is being paid way too much for a program that brings in almost 0 revenue. The results on the court are also awful as well.
Woah woah woah, it’s not about results on the court or how much revenue we bring in. It’s about gender equal pay! It’s outrageous that Odom makes more! We should protest!
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by calaggie » November 28th, 2022, 7:29 pm

How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by Slim80 » November 28th, 2022, 7:57 pm

calaggie wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:29 pm
How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?
More importantly, why did nearly the entire team leave after last year? That is very very concerning.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by slcagg » November 28th, 2022, 8:10 pm

Slim80 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:57 pm
calaggie wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:29 pm
How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?
More importantly, why did nearly the entire team leave after last year? That is very very concerning.
On a separate note, but semi related. Notice how pretty no one left the men’s side. That’s a good sign for odom.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by slcagg » November 28th, 2022, 8:11 pm

Aggie84025 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 4:30 pm
She is being paid way too much for a program that brings in almost 0 revenue. The results on the court are also awful as well.
Yup.

I’d be curious what the pay is for all head coaches and what is competitive in our league.

Anyways I feel like opening up the box of coaches pay for non-revenue generating sports is a separate issue entirely.



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by garyismyhomeboy » November 28th, 2022, 8:35 pm

Attended a game this year you can tell the staff and players are out of sync



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by treesap32 » November 28th, 2022, 10:51 pm

rAggie wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 4:01 pm
Assuming typo on $300k per year for media appearances.

Great stuff.
Yeah copy and paste error. I'll fix it.



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by treesap32 » November 28th, 2022, 10:55 pm

Aggie702 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 4:45 pm
Is it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?

Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
Just $215K per year for Kayla, plus any incentives. She does not receive media appearance bonuses. That was a copy and paste error on my part.



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by FloridaAggie13 » November 29th, 2022, 7:26 am

Slim80 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:57 pm
calaggie wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:29 pm
How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?
More importantly, why did nearly the entire team leave after last year? That is very very concerning.
I haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?

Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by LarryTheAggie » November 29th, 2022, 8:02 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 7:26 am
Slim80 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:57 pm
calaggie wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:29 pm
How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?
More importantly, why did nearly the entire team leave after last year? That is very very concerning.
I haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?

Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
Maybe, except that this year's team seems worse than last years team.

No coach councils out 12 players. And no decent coach councils out players unless you have someone waiting in the wings that is clearly better. Seeing how she was still filling roster spots in the late summer that doesn't seem like the case.

Maybe you are right that this was an effort to change culture, but if that's the case you better have a much better team. And she doesnt..

The why I see it either you are wrong, everyone left because the program is a train wreck and all the players wanted out, and she should be fired. Or you are right, she took a calculated risk to fix the train wreck of a program by kicking everyone off the team and it backfired, and she should be fired.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by FloridaAggie13 » November 29th, 2022, 9:05 am

LarryTheAggie wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 8:02 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 7:26 am
Slim80 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:57 pm
calaggie wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:29 pm
How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?
More importantly, why did nearly the entire team leave after last year? That is very very concerning.
I haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?

Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
Maybe, except that this year's team seems worse than last years team.

No coach councils out 12 players. And no decent coach councils out players unless you have someone waiting in the wings that is clearly better. Seeing how she was still filling roster spots in the late summer that doesn't seem like the case.

Maybe you are right that this was an effort to change culture, but if that's the case you better have a much better team. And she doesnt..

The why I see it either you are wrong, everyone left because the program is a train wreck and all the players wanted out, and she should be fired. Or you are right, she took a calculated risk to fix the train wreck of a program by kicking everyone off the team and it backfired, and she should be fired.
Yeah, I'm not suggesting she kicked everyone off the team or even counseled out several players. Only that *maybe, she determined that the only way to fix the trainwreck of a culture, was to challenge the players to work harder and be more committed; that this was no longer going to just be a place to coast along while cashing in the scholarship while accepting last place finishes in the conference.

Or maybe she really sucks at her job and everyone bailed.



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by LarryTheAggie » November 29th, 2022, 9:27 am

The worst thing is the buy out. As much as she is not worth her salary, it is not worth 322,000 to fire her either. This contract is awful giving an unproven coach that much money for that long is ridiculous. I wonder if an associate head coach of the University of Denvers men's basketball team could find a new job that would pay that much?
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by aggies22 » November 29th, 2022, 9:32 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 7:26 am
Slim80 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:57 pm
calaggie wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:29 pm
How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?
More importantly, why did nearly the entire team leave after last year? That is very very concerning.
I haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?

Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
Didn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by LarryTheAggie » November 29th, 2022, 9:49 am

aggies22 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:32 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 7:26 am
Slim80 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:57 pm
calaggie wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:29 pm
How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?
More importantly, why did nearly the entire team leave after last year? That is very very concerning.
I haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?

Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
Didn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?
No way did that many guys transfer. I would say like 4, maybe 9 if you count graduation. Berger, Davis, Stone, maybe Marcel Davis (but for different reasons, a couple guys graduated too( medlin, Butterfield, roland, shaw, clifford academically graduated and got a job despite being listed as a junior.)

Looking at the roster, viko, McGlaston, jalen moore, and Sean Harris stuck around the next year.

For comparison the women's team only had like one player stick around.



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by aggieborn » November 29th, 2022, 9:56 am

aggies22 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:32 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 7:26 am
Slim80 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:57 pm
calaggie wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:29 pm
How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?
More importantly, why did nearly the entire team leave after last year? That is very very concerning.
I haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?

Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
Didn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?
wait what’s the story there.



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by aggies22 » November 29th, 2022, 9:56 am

Aggie702 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 4:45 pm
Is it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?

Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
Here's how Kayla Ard stacks up against the rest of the Mountain West.

1. Mike Bradbury - New Mexico - $355,00
2. Gordy Presnell - Boise State - $300,000
3. Jaime White - Fresno State - $280,000
4. Stacie Terry-Hutson - San Diego State - $273, 014
5. Lindy La Rocque - UNLV - $260,000
6. Ryun Williams - Colorado State - $254, 372
7. April Phillips - San Jose State - $241,008
8. Heather Ezell - Wyoming - $237,500
9. Amanda Levens - Nevada - $236,000
10. Kayla Ard - Utah State - $215,000

There's the rest of that story.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by LarryTheAggie » November 29th, 2022, 10:08 am

aggieborn wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:56 am
aggies22 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:32 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 7:26 am
Slim80 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:57 pm
calaggie wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:29 pm
How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?
More importantly, why did nearly the entire team leave after last year? That is very very concerning.
I haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?

Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
Didn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?
wait what’s the story there.
I could be wrong but my understanding is that Shaw got caught with with some Pot, back when more people cared about that. Stew let him stay on the team after his initial suspension. Some of the players and their daddies were not happy about it and it caused locker room issues. So they ended up transferring to byu and byu hawaii.



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by LarryTheAggie » November 29th, 2022, 10:09 am

aggies22 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:56 am
Aggie702 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 4:45 pm
Is it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?

Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
Here's how Kayla Ard stacks up against the rest of the Mountain West.

1. Mike Bradbury - New Mexico - $355,00
2. Gordy Presnell - Boise State - $300,000
3. Jaime White - Fresno State - $280,000
4. Stacie Terry-Hutson - San Diego State - $273, 014
5. Lindy La Rocque - UNLV - $260,000
6. Ryun Williams - Colorado State - $254, 372
7. April Phillips - San Jose State - $241,008
8. Heather Ezell - Wyoming - $237,500
9. Amanda Levens - Nevada - $236,000
10. Kayla Ard - Utah State - $215,000

There's the rest of that story.
But what are we paying per win?



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by Aggie19 » November 29th, 2022, 10:16 am

LarryTheAggie wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 10:09 am
aggies22 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:56 am
Aggie702 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 4:45 pm
Is it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?

Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
Here's how Kayla Ard stacks up against the rest of the Mountain West.

1. Mike Bradbury - New Mexico - $355,00
2. Gordy Presnell - Boise State - $300,000
3. Jaime White - Fresno State - $280,000
4. Stacie Terry-Hutson - San Diego State - $273, 014
5. Lindy La Rocque - UNLV - $260,000
6. Ryun Williams - Colorado State - $254, 372
7. April Phillips - San Jose State - $241,008
8. Heather Ezell - Wyoming - $237,500
9. Amanda Levens - Nevada - $236,000
10. Kayla Ard - Utah State - $215,000

There's the rest of that story.
But what are we paying per win?
Apparently, somewhere around $215,000
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by QuackAttackAggie » November 29th, 2022, 11:04 am

LarryTheAggie wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 10:08 am
aggieborn wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:56 am
aggies22 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:32 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 7:26 am
Slim80 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:57 pm
calaggie wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:29 pm
How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?
More importantly, why did nearly the entire team leave after last year? That is very very concerning.
I haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?

Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
Didn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?
wait what’s the story there.
I could be wrong but my understanding is that Shaw got caught with with some Pot, back when more people cared about that. Stew let him stay on the team after his initial suspension. Some of the players and their daddies were not happy about it and it caused locker room issues. So they ended up transferring to byu and byu hawaii.
It was more than simple possession of pot. I don't want to get into the specifics but I can see why the parents would have been mad.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by Real Life Aggie » November 29th, 2022, 11:32 am

LarryTheAggie wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 10:08 am
aggieborn wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:56 am
aggies22 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:32 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 7:26 am
Slim80 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:57 pm
calaggie wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:29 pm
How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?
More importantly, why did nearly the entire team leave after last year? That is very very concerning.
I haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?

Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
Didn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?
wait what’s the story there.
I could be wrong but my understanding is that Shaw got caught with with some Pot, back when more people cared about that. Stew let him stay on the team after his initial suspension. Some of the players and their daddies were not happy about it and it caused locker room issues. So they ended up transferring to byu and byu hawaii.
It sounds like there tensions with Shaw in addition to any potential legal/team rule issues. Some of the aforementioned players were whiny because they believe that "Slim" got better treatment from Stew, or at least less anger if he wouldn't hustle, give it his all, etc. They'd get yelled at if they didn't haul (I can't express myself without swearing) back down the court to play defense, but it was alleged that Shaw was coddled a bit and would mostly get encouraging words.

Davis was also upset at Stew on a personal level irrespective of the team-centric issues. He got injured on a road game at Boise and had to be pulled out in the closing stretch. Initial diagnosis in the locker room was that he was out for that game but it was nothing serious and he could play on it in subsequent games. It was later found out that it was something more serious (dislocated knee cap, maybe?) that would need some corrective work post-season, but he could get through the season with mostly normal activity after a few games to rehab. Stew apparently disagreed with the later opinion and stated publicly during some interviews that Davis was complaining too much about it and could have played in the games if he weren't being such a wuss about it. There was some pressure/questions about it because Davis missed two games, then spent a few games on restricted minutes, IIRC.

Davis transferred, got surgery, took a year to recover, and then had an unremarkable career at BYU-Provo.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by TrueAG » November 29th, 2022, 1:34 pm

aggies22 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:56 am
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Is it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?

Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
Here's how Kayla Ard stacks up against the rest of the Mountain West.

1. Mike Bradbury - New Mexico - $355,00
2. Gordy Presnell - Boise State - $300,000
3. Jaime White - Fresno State - $280,000
4. Stacie Terry-Hutson - San Diego State - $273, 014
5. Lindy La Rocque - UNLV - $260,000
6. Ryun Williams - Colorado State - $254, 372
7. April Phillips - San Jose State - $241,008
8. Heather Ezell - Wyoming - $237,500
9. Amanda Levens - Nevada - $236,000
10. Kayla Ard - Utah State - $215,000

There's the rest of that story.
Why? This is crazy they make that much. No wonder tuition is so high.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by treesap32 » November 29th, 2022, 2:27 pm

aggies22 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:56 am
Aggie702 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 4:45 pm
Is it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?

Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
Here's how Kayla Ard stacks up against the rest of the Mountain West.

1. Mike Bradbury - New Mexico - $355,00
2. Gordy Presnell - Boise State - $300,000
3. Jaime White - Fresno State - $280,000
4. Stacie Terry-Hutson - San Diego State - $273, 014
5. Lindy La Rocque - UNLV - $260,000
6. Ryun Williams - Colorado State - $254, 372
7. April Phillips - San Jose State - $241,008
8. Heather Ezell - Wyoming - $237,500
9. Amanda Levens - Nevada - $236,000
10. Kayla Ard - Utah State - $215,000

There's the rest of that story.
Well done!! :thanks: I'm guessing it's hard to get the contract numbers for a military academy (AFA)?



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by Donman » November 29th, 2022, 2:52 pm

Real Life Aggie wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 11:32 am
LarryTheAggie wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 10:08 am
aggieborn wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:56 am
aggies22 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:32 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 7:26 am
Slim80 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:57 pm
calaggie wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:29 pm
How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?
More importantly, why did nearly the entire team leave after last year? That is very very concerning.
I haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?

Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
Didn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?
wait what’s the story there.
I could be wrong but my understanding is that Shaw got caught with with some Pot, back when more people cared about that. Stew let him stay on the team after his initial suspension. Some of the players and their daddies were not happy about it and it caused locker room issues. So they ended up transferring to byu and byu hawaii.
It sounds like there tensions with Shaw in addition to any potential legal/team rule issues. Some of the aforementioned players were whiny because they believe that "Slim" got better treatment from Stew, or at least less anger if he wouldn't hustle, give it his all, etc. They'd get yelled at if they didn't haul (I can't express myself without swearing) back down the court to play defense, but it was alleged that Shaw was coddled a bit and would mostly get encouraging words.

Davis was also upset at Stew on a personal level irrespective of the team-centric issues. He got injured on a road game at Boise and had to be pulled out in the closing stretch. Initial diagnosis in the locker room was that he was out for that game but it was nothing serious and he could play on it in subsequent games. It was later found out that it was something more serious (dislocated knee cap, maybe?) that would need some corrective work post-season, but he could get through the season with mostly normal activity after a few games to rehab. Stew apparently disagreed with the later opinion and stated publicly during some interviews that Davis was complaining too much about it and could have played in the games if he weren't being such a wuss about it. There was some pressure/questions about it because Davis missed two games, then spent a few games on restricted minutes, IIRC.

Davis transferred, got surgery, took a year to recover, and then had an unremarkable career at BYU-Provo.
Davis was also unhappy he wasn't playing the 3. Problem is he couldn't hit a jump shot. His FT shooting was awful.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by treesap32 » November 29th, 2022, 3:30 pm

Donman wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 2:52 pm
Real Life Aggie wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 11:32 am
LarryTheAggie wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 10:08 am
aggieborn wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:56 am
aggies22 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 9:32 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote:
November 29th, 2022, 7:26 am
Slim80 wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:57 pm
calaggie wrote:
November 28th, 2022, 7:29 pm
How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?
More importantly, why did nearly the entire team leave after last year? That is very very concerning.
I haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?

Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
Didn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?
wait what’s the story there.
I could be wrong but my understanding is that Shaw got caught with with some Pot, back when more people cared about that. Stew let him stay on the team after his initial suspension. Some of the players and their daddies were not happy about it and it caused locker room issues. So they ended up transferring to byu and byu hawaii.
It sounds like there tensions with Shaw in addition to any potential legal/team rule issues. Some of the aforementioned players were whiny because they believe that "Slim" got better treatment from Stew, or at least less anger if he wouldn't hustle, give it his all, etc. They'd get yelled at if they didn't haul (I can't express myself without swearing) back down the court to play defense, but it was alleged that Shaw was coddled a bit and would mostly get encouraging words.

Davis was also upset at Stew on a personal level irrespective of the team-centric issues. He got injured on a road game at Boise and had to be pulled out in the closing stretch. Initial diagnosis in the locker room was that he was out for that game but it was nothing serious and he could play on it in subsequent games. It was later found out that it was something more serious (dislocated knee cap, maybe?) that would need some corrective work post-season, but he could get through the season with mostly normal activity after a few games to rehab. Stew apparently disagreed with the later opinion and stated publicly during some interviews that Davis was complaining too much about it and could have played in the games if he weren't being such a wuss about it. There was some pressure/questions about it because Davis missed two games, then spent a few games on restricted minutes, IIRC.

Davis transferred, got surgery, took a year to recover, and then had an unremarkable career at BYU-Provo.
Davis was also unhappy he wasn't playing the 3. Problem is he couldn't hit a jump shot. His FT shooting was awful.
He didn't shoot the three at all for us (only 1 attempt), but he was over 50% from the floor. I don't recall how many of those were jump shots vs shots in the lane. He shot 68% from the FT line while at USU. Not bad but not great. He ended up shooting 65% from the FT line for his career.



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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract

Post by aggieguy13 » November 29th, 2022, 3:48 pm

Brandon Horvath shot 59% from the FT line and still had 117 three-point attempts last year. Different eras of college basketball I guess. I still remember Lew Evans being excoriated around here because he had the audacity to shoot three-pointers as a power forward instead of backing down opponents and taking hook shots like a real man.

Davis didn't shoot a ton of threes at BYU either but did hit almost 50% of them (7/15). I suspect if he were playing in 2022 and was coached to play in today's style that he would have been a perfectly adequate jump shooter.
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