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Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
A few people were wondering what Coach Ard's contract looks like (including buyout). Wonder no more:
https://www.usustats.com/blog/2022/11/2 ... tah-state/
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Assuming typo on $300k per year for media appearances.
Great stuff.
Great stuff.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Yeesh. I'm starting to think that this is the article that caused Hartwell to resign, not the SLTrib stuff.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Wowsers, she is making almost as much as Tim Dureya was. Would have been better to just keep him on contract but assign him to the women's team.
I think he could have done a great job there.
I think he could have done a great job there.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
She is being paid way too much for a program that brings in almost 0 revenue. The results on the court are also awful as well.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
I would sign up to be coach for 1-4 of that and I bet I could do just as good.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Is it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?
Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
I can't think it is $300k/year in media appearances but $300k over the course of the contract. She is not worth 60k annually of media appearances let alone 300k/year in media appearances.Aggie702 wrote: ↑November 28th, 2022, 4:45 pmIs it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?
Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Woah woah woah, it’s not about results on the court or how much revenue we bring in. It’s about gender equal pay! It’s outrageous that Odom makes more! We should protest!Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 28th, 2022, 4:30 pmShe is being paid way too much for a program that brings in almost 0 revenue. The results on the court are also awful as well.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
How did someone with such a lackluster coaching history get this job? It just seems like a complete gift for someone who really hadn’t accomplished much. Is there more to the story?
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
More importantly, why did nearly the entire team leave after last year? That is very very concerning.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
On a separate note, but semi related. Notice how pretty no one left the men’s side. That’s a good sign for odom.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Yup.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 28th, 2022, 4:30 pmShe is being paid way too much for a program that brings in almost 0 revenue. The results on the court are also awful as well.
I’d be curious what the pay is for all head coaches and what is competitive in our league.
Anyways I feel like opening up the box of coaches pay for non-revenue generating sports is a separate issue entirely.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Attended a game this year you can tell the staff and players are out of sync
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Just $215K per year for Kayla, plus any incentives. She does not receive media appearance bonuses. That was a copy and paste error on my part.Aggie702 wrote: ↑November 28th, 2022, 4:45 pmIs it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?
Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
I haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?
Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
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Maybe, except that this year's team seems worse than last years team.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 7:26 amI haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?
Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
No coach councils out 12 players. And no decent coach councils out players unless you have someone waiting in the wings that is clearly better. Seeing how she was still filling roster spots in the late summer that doesn't seem like the case.
Maybe you are right that this was an effort to change culture, but if that's the case you better have a much better team. And she doesnt..
The why I see it either you are wrong, everyone left because the program is a train wreck and all the players wanted out, and she should be fired. Or you are right, she took a calculated risk to fix the train wreck of a program by kicking everyone off the team and it backfired, and she should be fired.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Yeah, I'm not suggesting she kicked everyone off the team or even counseled out several players. Only that *maybe, she determined that the only way to fix the trainwreck of a culture, was to challenge the players to work harder and be more committed; that this was no longer going to just be a place to coast along while cashing in the scholarship while accepting last place finishes in the conference.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 8:02 amMaybe, except that this year's team seems worse than last years team.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 7:26 amI haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?
Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
No coach councils out 12 players. And no decent coach councils out players unless you have someone waiting in the wings that is clearly better. Seeing how she was still filling roster spots in the late summer that doesn't seem like the case.
Maybe you are right that this was an effort to change culture, but if that's the case you better have a much better team. And she doesnt..
The why I see it either you are wrong, everyone left because the program is a train wreck and all the players wanted out, and she should be fired. Or you are right, she took a calculated risk to fix the train wreck of a program by kicking everyone off the team and it backfired, and she should be fired.
Or maybe she really sucks at her job and everyone bailed.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
The worst thing is the buy out. As much as she is not worth her salary, it is not worth 322,000 to fire her either. This contract is awful giving an unproven coach that much money for that long is ridiculous. I wonder if an associate head coach of the University of Denvers men's basketball team could find a new job that would pay that much?
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Didn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 7:26 amI haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?
Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
No way did that many guys transfer. I would say like 4, maybe 9 if you count graduation. Berger, Davis, Stone, maybe Marcel Davis (but for different reasons, a couple guys graduated too( medlin, Butterfield, roland, shaw, clifford academically graduated and got a job despite being listed as a junior.)aggies22 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:32 amDidn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 7:26 amI haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?
Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
Looking at the roster, viko, McGlaston, jalen moore, and Sean Harris stuck around the next year.
For comparison the women's team only had like one player stick around.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
wait what’s the story there.aggies22 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:32 amDidn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 7:26 amI haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?
Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Here's how Kayla Ard stacks up against the rest of the Mountain West.Aggie702 wrote: ↑November 28th, 2022, 4:45 pmIs it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?
Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
1. Mike Bradbury - New Mexico - $355,00
2. Gordy Presnell - Boise State - $300,000
3. Jaime White - Fresno State - $280,000
4. Stacie Terry-Hutson - San Diego State - $273, 014
5. Lindy La Rocque - UNLV - $260,000
6. Ryun Williams - Colorado State - $254, 372
7. April Phillips - San Jose State - $241,008
8. Heather Ezell - Wyoming - $237,500
9. Amanda Levens - Nevada - $236,000
10. Kayla Ard - Utah State - $215,000
There's the rest of that story.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
I could be wrong but my understanding is that Shaw got caught with with some Pot, back when more people cared about that. Stew let him stay on the team after his initial suspension. Some of the players and their daddies were not happy about it and it caused locker room issues. So they ended up transferring to byu and byu hawaii.aggieborn wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:56 amwait what’s the story there.aggies22 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:32 amDidn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 7:26 amI haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?
Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
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But what are we paying per win?aggies22 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:56 amHere's how Kayla Ard stacks up against the rest of the Mountain West.Aggie702 wrote: ↑November 28th, 2022, 4:45 pmIs it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?
Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
1. Mike Bradbury - New Mexico - $355,00
2. Gordy Presnell - Boise State - $300,000
3. Jaime White - Fresno State - $280,000
4. Stacie Terry-Hutson - San Diego State - $273, 014
5. Lindy La Rocque - UNLV - $260,000
6. Ryun Williams - Colorado State - $254, 372
7. April Phillips - San Jose State - $241,008
8. Heather Ezell - Wyoming - $237,500
9. Amanda Levens - Nevada - $236,000
10. Kayla Ard - Utah State - $215,000
There's the rest of that story.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Apparently, somewhere around $215,000LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 10:09 amBut what are we paying per win?aggies22 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:56 amHere's how Kayla Ard stacks up against the rest of the Mountain West.Aggie702 wrote: ↑November 28th, 2022, 4:45 pmIs it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?
Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
1. Mike Bradbury - New Mexico - $355,00
2. Gordy Presnell - Boise State - $300,000
3. Jaime White - Fresno State - $280,000
4. Stacie Terry-Hutson - San Diego State - $273, 014
5. Lindy La Rocque - UNLV - $260,000
6. Ryun Williams - Colorado State - $254, 372
7. April Phillips - San Jose State - $241,008
8. Heather Ezell - Wyoming - $237,500
9. Amanda Levens - Nevada - $236,000
10. Kayla Ard - Utah State - $215,000
There's the rest of that story.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
It was more than simple possession of pot. I don't want to get into the specifics but I can see why the parents would have been mad.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 10:08 amI could be wrong but my understanding is that Shaw got caught with with some Pot, back when more people cared about that. Stew let him stay on the team after his initial suspension. Some of the players and their daddies were not happy about it and it caused locker room issues. So they ended up transferring to byu and byu hawaii.aggieborn wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:56 amwait what’s the story there.aggies22 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:32 amDidn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 7:26 amI haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?
Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
It sounds like there tensions with Shaw in addition to any potential legal/team rule issues. Some of the aforementioned players were whiny because they believe that "Slim" got better treatment from Stew, or at least less anger if he wouldn't hustle, give it his all, etc. They'd get yelled at if they didn't haul (I can't express myself without swearing) back down the court to play defense, but it was alleged that Shaw was coddled a bit and would mostly get encouraging words.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 10:08 amI could be wrong but my understanding is that Shaw got caught with with some Pot, back when more people cared about that. Stew let him stay on the team after his initial suspension. Some of the players and their daddies were not happy about it and it caused locker room issues. So they ended up transferring to byu and byu hawaii.aggieborn wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:56 amwait what’s the story there.aggies22 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:32 amDidn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 7:26 amI haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?
Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
Davis was also upset at Stew on a personal level irrespective of the team-centric issues. He got injured on a road game at Boise and had to be pulled out in the closing stretch. Initial diagnosis in the locker room was that he was out for that game but it was nothing serious and he could play on it in subsequent games. It was later found out that it was something more serious (dislocated knee cap, maybe?) that would need some corrective work post-season, but he could get through the season with mostly normal activity after a few games to rehab. Stew apparently disagreed with the later opinion and stated publicly during some interviews that Davis was complaining too much about it and could have played in the games if he weren't being such a wuss about it. There was some pressure/questions about it because Davis missed two games, then spent a few games on restricted minutes, IIRC.
Davis transferred, got surgery, took a year to recover, and then had an unremarkable career at BYU-Provo.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Why? This is crazy they make that much. No wonder tuition is so high.aggies22 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:56 amHere's how Kayla Ard stacks up against the rest of the Mountain West.Aggie702 wrote: ↑November 28th, 2022, 4:45 pmIs it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?
Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
1. Mike Bradbury - New Mexico - $355,00
2. Gordy Presnell - Boise State - $300,000
3. Jaime White - Fresno State - $280,000
4. Stacie Terry-Hutson - San Diego State - $273, 014
5. Lindy La Rocque - UNLV - $260,000
6. Ryun Williams - Colorado State - $254, 372
7. April Phillips - San Jose State - $241,008
8. Heather Ezell - Wyoming - $237,500
9. Amanda Levens - Nevada - $236,000
10. Kayla Ard - Utah State - $215,000
There's the rest of that story.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Well done!! I'm guessing it's hard to get the contract numbers for a military academy (AFA)?aggies22 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:56 amHere's how Kayla Ard stacks up against the rest of the Mountain West.Aggie702 wrote: ↑November 28th, 2022, 4:45 pmIs it $215k/year? Or $215k/year + $300K in media appearances ($515k/year)?
Also, can someone enlighten me as to why this is an issue now? The contract was signed in March 2020 when she was hired, so she's in year 3 of the contract. In current market, is $215k/year a huge overpay for a head coach of a woman's basketball team? Seems fair to me. If it's $515k/year then huge overpay.
1. Mike Bradbury - New Mexico - $355,00
2. Gordy Presnell - Boise State - $300,000
3. Jaime White - Fresno State - $280,000
4. Stacie Terry-Hutson - San Diego State - $273, 014
5. Lindy La Rocque - UNLV - $260,000
6. Ryun Williams - Colorado State - $254, 372
7. April Phillips - San Jose State - $241,008
8. Heather Ezell - Wyoming - $237,500
9. Amanda Levens - Nevada - $236,000
10. Kayla Ard - Utah State - $215,000
There's the rest of that story.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Davis was also unhappy he wasn't playing the 3. Problem is he couldn't hit a jump shot. His FT shooting was awful.Real Life Aggie wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 11:32 amIt sounds like there tensions with Shaw in addition to any potential legal/team rule issues. Some of the aforementioned players were whiny because they believe that "Slim" got better treatment from Stew, or at least less anger if he wouldn't hustle, give it his all, etc. They'd get yelled at if they didn't haul (I can't express myself without swearing) back down the court to play defense, but it was alleged that Shaw was coddled a bit and would mostly get encouraging words.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 10:08 amI could be wrong but my understanding is that Shaw got caught with with some Pot, back when more people cared about that. Stew let him stay on the team after his initial suspension. Some of the players and their daddies were not happy about it and it caused locker room issues. So they ended up transferring to byu and byu hawaii.aggieborn wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:56 amwait what’s the story there.aggies22 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:32 amDidn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 7:26 amI haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?
Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
Davis was also upset at Stew on a personal level irrespective of the team-centric issues. He got injured on a road game at Boise and had to be pulled out in the closing stretch. Initial diagnosis in the locker room was that he was out for that game but it was nothing serious and he could play on it in subsequent games. It was later found out that it was something more serious (dislocated knee cap, maybe?) that would need some corrective work post-season, but he could get through the season with mostly normal activity after a few games to rehab. Stew apparently disagreed with the later opinion and stated publicly during some interviews that Davis was complaining too much about it and could have played in the games if he weren't being such a wuss about it. There was some pressure/questions about it because Davis missed two games, then spent a few games on restricted minutes, IIRC.
Davis transferred, got surgery, took a year to recover, and then had an unremarkable career at BYU-Provo.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
He didn't shoot the three at all for us (only 1 attempt), but he was over 50% from the floor. I don't recall how many of those were jump shots vs shots in the lane. He shot 68% from the FT line while at USU. Not bad but not great. He ended up shooting 65% from the FT line for his career.Donman wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 2:52 pmDavis was also unhappy he wasn't playing the 3. Problem is he couldn't hit a jump shot. His FT shooting was awful.Real Life Aggie wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 11:32 amIt sounds like there tensions with Shaw in addition to any potential legal/team rule issues. Some of the aforementioned players were whiny because they believe that "Slim" got better treatment from Stew, or at least less anger if he wouldn't hustle, give it his all, etc. They'd get yelled at if they didn't haul (I can't express myself without swearing) back down the court to play defense, but it was alleged that Shaw was coddled a bit and would mostly get encouraging words.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 10:08 amI could be wrong but my understanding is that Shaw got caught with with some Pot, back when more people cared about that. Stew let him stay on the team after his initial suspension. Some of the players and their daddies were not happy about it and it caused locker room issues. So they ended up transferring to byu and byu hawaii.aggieborn wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:56 amwait what’s the story there.aggies22 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 9:32 amDidn't 10 or 11 scholarship dude's bail when Danny Berger and the Davis kid poisoned the locker room?FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑November 29th, 2022, 7:26 amI haven't seen a USU women's bball game in over thirty years so I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But...does most of the team leaving necessarily mean there is something wrong with the coaching staff?
Or could it be that in an attempt to overhaul the culture, the coaching staff is demanding more than many players who are set in complacency, are willing to give?
Davis was also upset at Stew on a personal level irrespective of the team-centric issues. He got injured on a road game at Boise and had to be pulled out in the closing stretch. Initial diagnosis in the locker room was that he was out for that game but it was nothing serious and he could play on it in subsequent games. It was later found out that it was something more serious (dislocated knee cap, maybe?) that would need some corrective work post-season, but he could get through the season with mostly normal activity after a few games to rehab. Stew apparently disagreed with the later opinion and stated publicly during some interviews that Davis was complaining too much about it and could have played in the games if he weren't being such a wuss about it. There was some pressure/questions about it because Davis missed two games, then spent a few games on restricted minutes, IIRC.
Davis transferred, got surgery, took a year to recover, and then had an unremarkable career at BYU-Provo.
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Re: Coach Kayla Ard's Contract
Brandon Horvath shot 59% from the FT line and still had 117 three-point attempts last year. Different eras of college basketball I guess. I still remember Lew Evans being excoriated around here because he had the audacity to shoot three-pointers as a power forward instead of backing down opponents and taking hook shots like a real man.
Davis didn't shoot a ton of threes at BYU either but did hit almost 50% of them (7/15). I suspect if he were playing in 2022 and was coached to play in today's style that he would have been a perfectly adequate jump shooter.
Davis didn't shoot a ton of threes at BYU either but did hit almost 50% of them (7/15). I suspect if he were playing in 2022 and was coached to play in today's style that he would have been a perfectly adequate jump shooter.
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