WBB getting destroyed by…Utah Tech??

NavyBlue · Post by **NavyBlue** » January 19th, 2023, 1:14 pm

Meanwhile a former assistant coach is doing very well at Montana State. Why didn't we hire Tricia Binford?

https://msubobcats.com/sports/womens-ba ... inford/744

aggie276 · Post by **aggie276** » January 19th, 2023, 1:41 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 1:06 pm

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aggie276 wrote: ↑
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flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
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how high can the buyout be for a women’s basketball coach?
$322,500 if we wait until the end of the season.
Is it worth it?
At the end of the season, yes
from an economic standpoint, it's not.
Agreed from an economic standpoint it does not make sense. Women's basketball generates very little revenue for the department. It sucks the team is in the shambles but from a financial standpoint for the department I would much rather see them just deal with the team sucking until the contract runs out and then try and find someone new.

Maybe from an economic standpoint it doesn’t make the most sense. But I would also argue that if student athletes are having a terrible experience in the program BECAUSE of the coach, and also the team is terrible and will never bring in more revenue because of the coach is not competent, it’s worth it long term overall. Perhaps the perspective of student athlete welfare is less popular than the the economic one, but based on the conversation I’ve had with a former athlete in the program, it should be a priority. They are people and not just athletes or means for revenue.

Hoot · Post by **Hoot** » January 19th, 2023, 2:02 pm

aggie276 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 1:41 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 1:06 pm

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January 19th, 2023, 12:23 pm

aggie276 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 11:47 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 9:58 am

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑
November 21st, 2022, 10:59 pm

aggieborn wrote: ↑
November 17th, 2022, 3:27 pm
how high can the buyout be for a women’s basketball coach?
$322,500 if we wait until the end of the season.
Is it worth it?
At the end of the season, yes
from an economic standpoint, it's not.
Agreed from an economic standpoint it does not make sense. Women's basketball generates very little revenue for the department. It sucks the team is in the shambles but from a financial standpoint for the department I would much rather see them just deal with the team sucking until the contract runs out and then try and find someone new.
Maybe from an economic standpoint it doesn’t make the most sense. But I would also argue that if student athletes are having a terrible experience in the program BECAUSE of the coach, and also the team is terrible and will never bring in more revenue because of the coach is not competent, it’s worth it long term overall. Perhaps the perspective of student athlete welfare is less popular than the the economic one, but based on the conversation I’ve had with a former athlete in the program, it should be a priority. They are people and not just athletes or means for revenue.

This is very true. Not to toot my own horn but when I was in HS I had several offers to play at the next level but I hated my coach so much that he had completely ruined playing the sport. The team as a whole was pretty fractured but we were all United in our hatred for the coach. I’ve been asked a few times to go back to that school for various reasons and I’ve always said no because of how terrible that experience was.

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » January 19th, 2023, 2:08 pm

aggie276 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 1:41 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 1:06 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 12:23 pm

aggie276 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 11:47 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 9:58 am

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑
November 21st, 2022, 10:59 pm

aggieborn wrote: ↑
November 17th, 2022, 3:27 pm
how high can the buyout be for a women’s basketball coach?
$322,500 if we wait until the end of the season.
Is it worth it?
At the end of the season, yes
from an economic standpoint, it's not.
Agreed from an economic standpoint it does not make sense. Women's basketball generates very little revenue for the department. It sucks the team is in the shambles but from a financial standpoint for the department I would much rather see them just deal with the team sucking until the contract runs out and then try and find someone new.
Maybe from an economic standpoint it doesn’t make the most sense. But I would also argue that if student athletes are having a terrible experience in the program BECAUSE of the coach, and also the team is terrible and will never bring in more revenue because of the coach is not competent, it’s worth it long term overall. Perhaps the perspective of student athlete welfare is less popular than the the economic one, but based on the conversation I’ve had with a former athlete in the program, it should be a priority. They are people and not just athletes or means for revenue.

If it is really that bad, could we not fire her with cause and be done with it?

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » January 19th, 2023, 2:16 pm

aggie276 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 1:41 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 1:06 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 12:23 pm

aggie276 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 11:47 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 9:58 am

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑
November 21st, 2022, 10:59 pm

aggieborn wrote: ↑
November 17th, 2022, 3:27 pm
how high can the buyout be for a women’s basketball coach?
$322,500 if we wait until the end of the season.
Is it worth it?
At the end of the season, yes
from an economic standpoint, it's not.
Agreed from an economic standpoint it does not make sense. Women's basketball generates very little revenue for the department. It sucks the team is in the shambles but from a financial standpoint for the department I would much rather see them just deal with the team sucking until the contract runs out and then try and find someone new.
Maybe from an economic standpoint it doesn’t make the most sense. But I would also argue that if student athletes are having a terrible experience in the program BECAUSE of the coach, and also the team is terrible and will never bring in more revenue because of the coach is not competent, it’s worth it long term overall. Perhaps the perspective of student athlete welfare is less popular than the the economic one, but based on the conversation I’ve had with a former athlete in the program, it should be a priority. They are people and not just athletes or means for revenue.

If things are truly that bad then absolutely it should be considered even if from an economic standpoint it does not make sense. I was just stating my point from a win/loss record and economic standpoint. If the coach is truly a cancer and can be fired for cause then absolutely go for it, if not I prefer they don't waste the money.

Post by **treesap32** » January 19th, 2023, 2:22 pm

aggie276 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 11:47 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 9:58 am

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑
November 21st, 2022, 10:59 pm

aggieborn wrote: ↑
November 17th, 2022, 3:27 pm
how high can the buyout be for a women’s basketball coach?
$322,500 if we wait until the end of the season.
Is it worth it?
At the end of the season, yes

What will that $322,500 make for the university? How will they justify paying it on top of the salary of a new coach?

aggie276 · Post by **aggie276** » January 19th, 2023, 2:25 pm

NavyBlue wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 1:14 pm
Meanwhile a former assistant coach is doing very well at Montana State. Why didn't we hire Tricia Binford?

https://msubobcats.com/sports/womens-ba ... inford/744

She’s been exceptional there. Without a doubt missed on that one. Wonder who else was in consideration for the job in 2020? or was it just Ard since she was friends with Hartwell?

Aggie_Watch · Post by **Aggie_Watch** » January 19th, 2023, 4:23 pm

treesap32 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 2:22 pm

aggie276 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 11:47 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 9:58 am

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑
November 21st, 2022, 10:59 pm

aggieborn wrote: ↑
November 17th, 2022, 3:27 pm
how high can the buyout be for a women’s basketball coach?

$322,500 if we wait until the end of the season.
Is it worth it?
At the end of the season, yes
What will that $322,500 make for the university? How will they justify paying it on top of the salary of a new coach?

It should not be all about money. I understand that’s important, but we need to look at the girls mental health. You don’t lose an entire team and change over coaches without there being some unhealthy things going on.

ratofallaggies · Post by **ratofallaggies** » January 19th, 2023, 4:34 pm

Aggie_Watch wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 4:23 pm

treesap32 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 2:22 pm

aggie276 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 11:47 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 9:58 am

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑
November 21st, 2022, 10:59 pm

aggieborn wrote: ↑
November 17th, 2022, 3:27 pm
how high can the buyout be for a women’s basketball coach?

$322,500 if we wait until the end of the season.
Is it worth it?
At the end of the season, yes
What will that $322,500 make for the university? How will they justify paying it on top of the salary of a new coach?
It should not be all about money. I understand that’s important, but we need to look at the girls mental health. You don’t lose an entire team and change over coaches without there being some unhealthy things going on.

There are a few in this thread that have very recently joined and have only been commenting on the wbb coach or "asking question", but unless there's reason to fire her with cause, it will be a decision 100% based on the money.

Aggie_Watch · Post by **Aggie_Watch** » January 19th, 2023, 4:47 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 4:34 pm

Aggie_Watch wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 4:23 pm

treesap32 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 2:22 pm

aggie276 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 11:47 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 9:58 am

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑
November 21st, 2022, 10:59 pm

aggieborn wrote: ↑
November 17th, 2022, 3:27 pm
how high can the buyout be for a women’s basketball coach?

$322,500 if we wait until the end of the season.
Is it worth it?
At the end of the season, yes
What will that $322,500 make for the university? How will they justify paying it on top of the salary of a new coach?
It should not be all about money. I understand that’s important, but we need to look at the girls mental health. You don’t lose an entire team and change over coaches without there being some unhealthy things going on.
There are a few in this thread that have very recently joined and have only been commenting on the wbb coach or "asking question", but unless there's reason to fire her with cause, it will be a decision 100% based on the money.

Too bad money trumps a lot of other very important issues occurring.

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » January 19th, 2023, 6:37 pm

Aggie_Watch wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 4:47 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 4:34 pm

Aggie_Watch wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 4:23 pm

treesap32 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 2:22 pm

aggie276 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 11:47 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 9:58 am

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑
November 21st, 2022, 10:59 pm

aggieborn wrote: ↑
November 17th, 2022, 3:27 pm
how high can the buyout be for a women’s basketball coach?

$322,500 if we wait until the end of the season.
Is it worth it?
At the end of the season, yes
What will that $322,500 make for the university? How will they justify paying it on top of the salary of a new coach?
It should not be all about money. I understand that’s important, but we need to look at the girls mental health. You don’t lose an entire team and change over coaches without there being some unhealthy things going on.
There are a few in this thread that have very recently joined and have only been commenting on the wbb coach or "asking question", but unless there's reason to fire her with cause, it will be a decision 100% based on the money.
Too bad money trumps a lot of other very important issues occurring.

Don't say the T word.

Aggie_Watch · Post by **Aggie_Watch** » January 19th, 2023, 8:28 pm

USU78 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 6:37 pm

Aggie_Watch wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 4:47 pm

ratofallaggies wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 4:34 pm

Aggie_Watch wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 4:23 pm

treesap32 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 2:22 pm

aggie276 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 11:47 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 9:58 am

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑
November 21st, 2022, 10:59 pm

aggieborn wrote: ↑
November 17th, 2022, 3:27 pm
how high can the buyout be for a women’s basketball coach?

$322,500 if we wait until the end of the season.
Is it worth it?
At the end of the season, yes
What will that $322,500 make for the university? How will they justify paying it on top of the salary of a new coach?
It should not be all about money. I understand that’s important, but we need to look at the girls mental health. You don’t lose an entire team and change over coaches without there being some unhealthy things going on.
There are a few in this thread that have very recently joined and have only been commenting on the wbb coach or "asking question", but unless there's reason to fire her with cause, it will be a decision 100% based on the money.
Too bad money trumps a lot of other very important issues occurring

stang · Post by **stang** » January 19th, 2023, 9:33 pm

NavyBlue wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 1:14 pm
Meanwhile a former assistant coach is doing very well at Montana State. Why didn't we hire Tricia Binford?

https://msubobcats.com/sports/womens-ba ... inford/744

We didn't hire Tricia Binford because Hartwell went straight to his old buddy and didn't consider other coaches who were interested and far more qualified. I mean come on, off the court stuff aside, she was an assistant coach at a quite poor Summit League school and hadn't stayed long enough to have real success anywhere before that. It was a piss poor hire from the beginning.

I've generally been very complimentary of Hartwell and what he did during his tenure, but this was a severe case of hiring the wrong candidate for the wrong reasons.

stang · Post by **stang** » January 19th, 2023, 9:41 pm

Since Bovee will still be the interim guy when this basketball season ends, this is a perfect opportunity for him to prove that he's got the guts to cut this coaching staff loose and make his own hire.

Say what you want about the financial aspect of it, but as a USU grad and a fan of ALL Aggie sports, it's frankly embarrassing how atrocious our women's program has become. It's one thing to be mediocre with a few bad years and a few good years sprinkled in, but this team is the perpetual laughing stock of the league and I think it's a major bummer.

Besides that, many WBB programs actually make money for their schools when they're competitive. Generally not the same kind of money as a men's program, but New Mexico has just been consistently above average for a while and they average 5,000 people at home games.

aggie276 · Post by **aggie276** » January 20th, 2023, 6:10 am

stang wrote: ↑
January 19th, 2023, 9:41 pm
Since Bovee will still be the interim guy when this basketball season ends, this is a perfect opportunity for him to prove that he's got the guts to cut this coaching staff loose and make his own hire.

Say what you want about the financial aspect of it, but as a USU grad and a fan of ALL Aggie sports, it's frankly embarrassing how atrocious our women's program has become. It's one thing to be mediocre with a few bad years and a few good years sprinkled in, but this team is the perpetual laughing stock of the league and I think it's a major bummer.

Besides that, many WBB programs actually make money for their schools when they're competitive. Generally not the same kind of money as a men's program, but New Mexico has just been consistently above average for a while and they average 5,000 people at home games.

Yep! Exactly this! I think it’s a great opportunity for Bovee. And you’re right, it’s bad and just stays bad. And for whatever “progress” people claim they made last season, they then lost all those players. Not that it was good last season, because it wasn’t.

And you’re right, plenty of programs, notably New Mexico and Wyoming, bring in decent amount of money because they have been able to generate a solid consistent fan base. Neither team is consistently at the top, but they are consistently in the top half of the league and people want to support them.

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » January 20th, 2023, 7:14 am

So if the Buyout is $320,000 and there are 15 home games a year. If we sell tickets at $7.50, we would need to sell on average 3000 more tickets to pay forthe Buyout in one year. That seems like a bit of a stretch. BUT if we sell 1000 more tickets to every game we could pay for the buy out in 3 years, which seems plausible. And that is just using extra ticket sales for the Buyout.

Note that I did not do a discounted cash flow analysis here so the analysis is not great.

If I do a discounted cash flow with a 6% discount rate we end up with a negative NPV project. But if we sold tickets at $8.05 it becomes positive.

*sorry for geeking out for a minute.

Point is, if it leads to an increase in ticket sales, it MIGHT make sense financially.

Post by **treesap32** » January 20th, 2023, 10:01 am

Have we ever had 1,000 paying customers at a women's basketball game?

aggieguy13 · Post by **aggieguy13** » January 20th, 2023, 10:42 am

A quick look at average attendance for women's basketball games over the past decade or so:

2021-2022: 637
2020-2021: N/A (Covid)
2019-2020: 568
2018-2019: 677
2017-2018: 635
2016-2017: 672
2015-2016: 615
2014-2015: 496
2013-2014: 689
2012-2013: 669
2011-2012: 647
2010-2011: 523

Yeah, we wouldn't be covering the cost of the buyout through increased ticket sales. Even breaking 700 in average attendance would be a pretty significant outlier so hoping for an extra 1,000 per year seems...unlikely. I wish we had unlimited funds and resources to pour into all our programs but as it stands now given our financial situation, buying out the women's basketball coach at a cost of $322,500 would be such an incredibly reckless and foolish use of funds that I would have serious reservations about any athletic director who decided to do that.

Post by **treesap32** » January 20th, 2023, 10:48 am

aggieguy13 wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 10:42 am
A quick look at average attendance for women's basketball games over the past decade or so:

2021-2022: 637
2020-2021: N/A (Covid)
2019-2020: 568
2018-2019: 677
2017-2018: 635
2016-2017: 672
2015-2016: 615
2014-2015: 496
2013-2014: 689
2012-2013: 669
2011-2012: 647
2010-2011: 523

Yeah, we wouldn't be covering the cost of the buyout through increased ticket sales. Even breaking 700 in average attendance would be a pretty significant outlier so hoping for an extra 1,000 per year seems...unlikely. I wish we had unlimited funds and resources to pour into all our programs but as it stands now given our financial situation, buying out the women's basketball coach at a cost of $322,500 would be such an incredibly reckless and foolish use of funds that I would have serious reservations about any athletic director who decided to do that.

And those numbers are counting students who get in "free".

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » January 20th, 2023, 10:51 am

aggieguy13 wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 10:42 am
A quick look at average attendance for women's basketball games over the past decade or so:

2021-2022: 637
2020-2021: N/A (Covid)
2019-2020: 568
2018-2019: 677
2017-2018: 635
2016-2017: 672
2015-2016: 615
2014-2015: 496
2013-2014: 689
2012-2013: 669
2011-2012: 647
2010-2011: 523

Yeah, we wouldn't be covering the cost of the buyout through increased ticket sales. Even breaking 700 in average attendance would be a pretty significant outlier so hoping for an extra 1,000 per year seems...unlikely. I wish we had unlimited funds and resources to pour into all our programs but as it stands now given our financial situation, buying out the women's basketball coach at a cost of $322,500 would be such an incredibly reckless and foolish use of funds that I would have serious reservations about any athletic director who decided to do that.

Completely agree, unless you can do the firing for cause letting the coach go with the buyout would be a huge mistake financially. Overall USU manages its budget very well. We all wish there was more money available but there is not. That can be changed by selling more tickets and getting bigger donations. It is not a knock on women's sports or lack of caring but releasing a coach without cause in a non revenue sport would be reckless.

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » January 20th, 2023, 10:54 am

treesap32 wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 10:01 am
Have we ever had 1,000 paying customers at a women's basketball game?

Agree. It's not uncommon for other schools to bring in more than 1000 to a women's game. But I don't see it happening here.

Aggie_Watch · Post by **Aggie_Watch** » January 20th, 2023, 11:40 am

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 10:51 am

aggieguy13 wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 10:42 am
A quick look at average attendance for women's basketball games over the past decade or so:

2021-2022: 637
2020-2021: N/A (Covid)
2019-2020: 568
2018-2019: 677
2017-2018: 635
2016-2017: 672
2015-2016: 615
2014-2015: 496
2013-2014: 689
2012-2013: 669
2011-2012: 647
2010-2011: 523

Yeah, we wouldn't be covering the cost of the buyout through increased ticket sales. Even breaking 700 in average attendance would be a pretty significant outlier so hoping for an extra 1,000 per year seems...unlikely. I wish we had unlimited funds and resources to pour into all our programs but as it stands now given our financial situation, buying out the women's basketball coach at a cost of $322,500 would be such an incredibly reckless and foolish use of funds that I would have serious reservations about any athletic director who decided to do that.
Completely agree, unless you can do the firing for cause letting the coach go with the buyout would be a huge mistake financially. Overall USU manages its budget very well. We all wish there was more money available but there is not. That can be changed by selling more tickets and getting bigger donations. It is not a knock on women's sports or lack of caring but releasing a coach without cause in a non revenue sport would be reckless.

From my understanding they had just cause. Unfortunately Hartwell protected her.

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » January 20th, 2023, 12:14 pm

Aggie_Watch wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 11:40 am

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 10:51 am

aggieguy13 wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 10:42 am
A quick look at average attendance for women's basketball games over the past decade or so:

2021-2022: 637
2020-2021: N/A (Covid)
2019-2020: 568
2018-2019: 677
2017-2018: 635
2016-2017: 672
2015-2016: 615
2014-2015: 496
2013-2014: 689
2012-2013: 669
2011-2012: 647
2010-2011: 523

Yeah, we wouldn't be covering the cost of the buyout through increased ticket sales. Even breaking 700 in average attendance would be a pretty significant outlier so hoping for an extra 1,000 per year seems...unlikely. I wish we had unlimited funds and resources to pour into all our programs but as it stands now given our financial situation, buying out the women's basketball coach at a cost of $322,500 would be such an incredibly reckless and foolish use of funds that I would have serious reservations about any athletic director who decided to do that.
Completely agree, unless you can do the firing for cause letting the coach go with the buyout would be a huge mistake financially. Overall USU manages its budget very well. We all wish there was more money available but there is not. That can be changed by selling more tickets and getting bigger donations. It is not a knock on women's sports or lack of caring but releasing a coach without cause in a non revenue sport would be reckless.
From my understanding they had just cause. Unfortunately Hartwell protected her.

So now that Hartwell is gone, shouldn't that protection be gone too?

blueblood · Post by **blueblood** » January 20th, 2023, 12:42 pm

Hire Jaycee as the women’s head coach. I guarantee the attendance will go up.

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Aggie19 · Post by **Aggie19** » January 20th, 2023, 12:43 pm

Honest question, if documented the right way, isn't the inability to do your job considered "cause"?

Also, if anyone needs any clearer indication of where we fall in the greater landscape of college athletics, that we don't have the ability to pay $300k to get rid of a coach that can't coach, should tell you everything you need to know.

aggie276 · Post by **aggie276** » January 20th, 2023, 1:40 pm

blueblood wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 12:42 pm
Hire Jaycee as the women’s head coach. I guarantee the attendance will go up.

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That would be fun!!! such a good idea

aggie276 · Post by **aggie276** » January 20th, 2023, 1:41 pm

Aggie19 wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 12:43 pm
Honest question, if documented the right way, isn't the inability to do your job considered "cause"?

Also, if anyone needs any clearer indication of where we fall in the greater landscape of college athletics, that we don't have the ability to pay $300k to get rid of a coach that can't coach, should tell you everything you need to know.

Surely the transfer portal should be documentation to show something. Because it was the entire team that transferred.

I also heard there were athletes who tried to complain to the administration but those complaints went ignored. So if that’s so, perhaps they didn’t document it properly.

stang · Post by **stang** » January 20th, 2023, 7:48 pm

aggieguy13 wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 10:42 am
A quick look at average attendance for women's basketball games over the past decade or so:

2021-2022: 637
2020-2021: N/A (Covid)
2019-2020: 568
2018-2019: 677
2017-2018: 635
2016-2017: 672
2015-2016: 615
2014-2015: 496
2013-2014: 689
2012-2013: 669
2011-2012: 647
2010-2011: 523

Yeah, we wouldn't be covering the cost of the buyout through increased ticket sales. Even breaking 700 in average attendance would be a pretty significant outlier so hoping for an extra 1,000 per year seems...unlikely. I wish we had unlimited funds and resources to pour into all our programs but as it stands now given our financial situation, buying out the women's basketball coach at a cost of $322,500 would be such an incredibly reckless and foolish use of funds that I would have serious reservations about any athletic director who decided to do that.

Yes, of course we've had poor attendance numbers at WBB games. Our team has been horrendous year after year.

Maybe it's wishful thinking given the attitudes of many on this board towards women's sports, but I really believe that if our women's team could win with some level of consistency we could bring in decent crowds like some of our peers and the program could turn a profit instead of losing money.

IDK. I just care about Utah State and think it would be cool to have a good WBB team, and I hope our athletics director cares enough about women's sports to bite the bullet and make a relatively very small buyout to get things turned around.

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » January 20th, 2023, 8:14 pm

This probably isn't the place for it, but if women's basketball was played on a 9 ft rim, it'd be much better to watch. Let them play above the rim a bit.

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » January 20th, 2023, 8:19 pm

stang wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 7:48 pm

aggieguy13 wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 10:42 am
A quick look at average attendance for women's basketball games over the past decade or so:

2021-2022: 637
2020-2021: N/A (Covid)
2019-2020: 568
2018-2019: 677
2017-2018: 635
2016-2017: 672
2015-2016: 615
2014-2015: 496
2013-2014: 689
2012-2013: 669
2011-2012: 647
2010-2011: 523

Yeah, we wouldn't be covering the cost of the buyout through increased ticket sales. Even breaking 700 in average attendance would be a pretty significant outlier so hoping for an extra 1,000 per year seems...unlikely. I wish we had unlimited funds and resources to pour into all our programs but as it stands now given our financial situation, buying out the women's basketball coach at a cost of $322,500 would be such an incredibly reckless and foolish use of funds that I would have serious reservations about any athletic director who decided to do that.
Yes, of course we've had poor attendance numbers at WBB games. Our team has been horrendous year after year.

Maybe it's wishful thinking given the attitudes of many on this board towards women's sports, but I really believe that if our women's team could win with some level of consistency we could bring in decent crowds like some of our peers and the program could turn a profit instead of losing money.

IDK. I just care about Utah State and think it would be cool to have a good WBB team, and I hope our athletics director cares enough about women's sports to bite the bullet and make a relatively very small buyout to get things turned around.

Yeah I wish more people cared about women's basketball.... then I wouldn't feel so bad about not caring.

In reality, if I lived in the valley I would probably go to the games.

aggie276 · Post by **aggie276** » January 20th, 2023, 8:47 pm

stang wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 7:48 pm

aggieguy13 wrote: ↑
January 20th, 2023, 10:42 am
A quick look at average attendance for women's basketball games over the past decade or so:

2021-2022: 637
2020-2021: N/A (Covid)
2019-2020: 568
2018-2019: 677
2017-2018: 635
2016-2017: 672
2015-2016: 615
2014-2015: 496
2013-2014: 689
2012-2013: 669
2011-2012: 647
2010-2011: 523

Yeah, we wouldn't be covering the cost of the buyout through increased ticket sales. Even breaking 700 in average attendance would be a pretty significant outlier so hoping for an extra 1,000 per year seems...unlikely. I wish we had unlimited funds and resources to pour into all our programs but as it stands now given our financial situation, buying out the women's basketball coach at a cost of $322,500 would be such an incredibly reckless and foolish use of funds that I would have serious reservations about any athletic director who decided to do that.
Yes, of course we've had poor attendance numbers at WBB games. Our team has been horrendous year after year.

Maybe it's wishful thinking given the attitudes of many on this board towards women's sports, but I really believe that if our women's team could win with some level of consistency we could bring in decent crowds like some of our peers and the program could turn a profit instead of losing money.

IDK. I just care about Utah State and think it would be cool to have a good WBB team, and I hope our athletics director cares enough about women's sports to bite the bullet and make a relatively very small buyout to get things turned around.

Given that our WBB budget is bigger than UNLVs…and what Lindy La Rocque has done there in SHORT order, I think there would be value to bringing in the right coach, and absolutely could get fans involved. New Mexico and Wyoming might get crowds we can’t match, but Colorado State and Nevada seem to get decent crowds and revenue. It seems like it would be worth it.

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aggie276 · Post by **aggie276** » January 21st, 2023, 5:19 pm

The USU women just lost to 2-15 (0-6) San Jose State by 18 points. San Jose state was 301 in the NET and one of the worst shooting teams in the entire country, and they shot 54% against USU.

So how soon can we get a new coach???

coolag · Post by **coolag** » January 21st, 2023, 6:04 pm

aggie276 wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2023, 5:19 pm
The USU women just lost to 2-15 (0-6) San Jose State by 18 points. San Jose state was 301 in the NET and one of the worst shooting teams in the entire country, and they shot 54% against USU.

So how soon can we get a new coach???

Former USU AD's = the gift that keeps on giving.

Barnes - Hires his buddy's search firm.
Hartwell - Hires his buddy as women's HC.

Who's next?

SpectrumMagic · Post by **SpectrumMagic** » January 21st, 2023, 6:05 pm

aggie276 wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2023, 5:19 pm
The USU women just lost to 2-15 (0-6) San Jose State by 18 points. San Jose state was 301 in the NET and one of the worst shooting teams in the entire country, and they shot 54% against USU.

So how soon can we get a new coach???

As soon as you come up with the 300k to buy out the contract

UStater · Post by **UStater** » January 21st, 2023, 9:09 pm

Totally agree we should get a new Women's head coach but reading this board talk about all this is pretty telling of a pretty sexist culture we have in Utah. Not trying to put my above y'all here...I have never gone to a Women's BB game and I really do need to self reflect about that... probably something I need to fix. But we also should not be calling women home wreckers for a joint decision to have a relationship or call her the "Kamala Harris of wbb". Just my two cents

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