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Post by slcagg » August 1st, 2022, 5:41 pm

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Re: Portal numbers

Post by trevordude » August 1st, 2022, 6:46 pm

How is that real? There's so many spots on teams, so many seniors each year, so if players leave, how are their spots filled?

Either international players or just worse high school players?

Seems like a big discrepancy
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Post by ProvoAggie » August 1st, 2022, 6:55 pm

trevordude wrote:How is that real? There's so many spots on teams, so many seniors each year, so if players leave, how are their spots filled?

Either intentional players or just worse high school players?

Seems like a big discrepancy
Some of these transfer portal kids are the kids that used to get counseled out and not find a landing spot as well. They just have a portal for more exposure now.

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Re: Portal numbers

Post by BustaMcNutt » August 1st, 2022, 7:05 pm

I’m curious how many out of 12 moved straight across and how many transferred down.



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Re: Portal numbers

Post by aggies22 » August 1st, 2022, 9:41 pm

BustaMcNutt wrote:
August 1st, 2022, 7:05 pm
I’m curious how many out of 12 moved straight across and how many transferred down.
11 out of 12 moved laterally or down.
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Re: Portal numbers

Post by USU78 » August 1st, 2022, 9:43 pm

aggies22 wrote:
August 1st, 2022, 9:41 pm
BustaMcNutt wrote:
August 1st, 2022, 7:05 pm
I’m curious how many out of 12 moved straight across and how many transferred down.
11 out of 12 moved laterally or down.
What morons are advising these kids?


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Re: Portal numbers

Post by BustaMcNutt » August 1st, 2022, 11:13 pm

aggies22 wrote:
August 1st, 2022, 9:41 pm
BustaMcNutt wrote:
August 1st, 2022, 7:05 pm
I’m curious how many out of 12 moved straight across and how many transferred down.
11 out of 12 moved laterally or down.
I was hoping for a breakdown of the 2 groups. But thanks, I guess.



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Re: Portal numbers

Post by dogie » August 2nd, 2022, 7:56 am

I would think that a lot of them knew they weren’t moving up, and transferred for more playing time at a lower level that matched their talent.



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Re: Portal numbers

Post by LarryTheAggie » August 2nd, 2022, 8:12 am

dogie wrote:
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I would think that a lot of them knew they weren’t moving up, and transferred for more playing time at a lower level that matched their talent.
This. Or moved to be closer to home or for a coach or for any number of nonbasketball related reasons. It's not the number that transfered down that should be concerning. It's the 46% that did not find a landing spot.
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Re: Portal numbers

Post by Pacobag » August 2nd, 2022, 1:06 pm

Did Thelissen get picked up by another NCAA team?



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Re: Portal numbers

Post by Bank Shot » August 2nd, 2022, 1:38 pm

Pacobag wrote:
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Did Thelissen get picked up by another NCAA team?
Nothing yet according to Verbal Commits



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Post by aggies22 » August 2nd, 2022, 8:32 pm

Pacobag wrote:
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Did Thelissen get picked up by another NCAA team?
I had heard that he may end up at South Dakota or go home and play pro ball.
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Post by bwcrc » August 3rd, 2022, 6:30 am

aggies22 wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 8:32 pm
Pacobag wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 1:06 pm
Did Thelissen get picked up by another NCAA team?
I had heard that he may end up at South Dakota or go home and play pro ball.
As I recall, there was some excitement about Thelissen coming and reasonable expectations that he would be a solid contributor. He got here late, which didn't help but he never made his way into the rotation. How he could play pro ball doesn't make a lot of sense when he couldn't really even sniff the court last year for USU. And if he couldn't find another school to transfer to, that doubly doesn't make a lot of sense. I get that there are some lower level leagues in Europe, but if there is a league where Thelissen can make it that doesn't seem like a very viable league. Not unless there was some other reason beyond ball skills that kept him from playing.



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Re: Portal numbers

Post by aggies22 » August 3rd, 2022, 6:33 am

bwcrc wrote:
August 3rd, 2022, 6:30 am
aggies22 wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 8:32 pm
Pacobag wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 1:06 pm
Did Thelissen get picked up by another NCAA team?
I had heard that he may end up at South Dakota or go home and play pro ball.
As I recall, there was some excitement about Thelissen coming and reasonable expectations that he would be a solid contributor. He got here late, which didn't help but he never made his way into the rotation. How he could play pro ball doesn't make a lot of sense when he couldn't really even sniff the court last year for USU. And if he couldn't find another school to transfer to, that doubly doesn't make a lot of sense. I get that there are some lower level leagues in Europe, but if there is a league where Thelissen can make it that doesn't seem like a very viable league. Not unless there was some other reason beyond ball skills that kept him from playing.
Thelissen was playing pro ball before he came to Utah State. But as with Zahar Vedischev his failure to buy into the system ultimately led to his departure.



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Re: Portal numbers

Post by ineptimusprime » August 3rd, 2022, 8:20 am

USU78 wrote:
August 1st, 2022, 9:43 pm
aggies22 wrote:
August 1st, 2022, 9:41 pm
BustaMcNutt wrote:
August 1st, 2022, 7:05 pm
I’m curious how many out of 12 moved straight across and how many transferred down.
11 out of 12 moved laterally or down.
What morons are advising these kids?
I’m guessing in a lot of cases it’s their own coaches encouraging kids to move on for more playing time at a lower level.

When used properly, the transfer portal is more a benefit to schools to try to purge deadweight from a roster than it is a burden to schools losing star players, because far more players bust than boom.



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Re: Portal numbers

Post by dirtnsnow » August 3rd, 2022, 8:28 am

bwcrc wrote:
August 3rd, 2022, 6:30 am
aggies22 wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 8:32 pm
Pacobag wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 1:06 pm
Did Thelissen get picked up by another NCAA team?
I had heard that he may end up at South Dakota or go home and play pro ball.
As I recall, there was some excitement about Thelissen coming and reasonable expectations that he would be a solid contributor. He got here late, which didn't help but he never made his way into the rotation. How he could play pro ball doesn't make a lot of sense when he couldn't really even sniff the court last year for USU. And if he couldn't find another school to transfer to, that doubly doesn't make a lot of sense. I get that there are some lower level leagues in Europe, but if there is a league where Thelissen can make it that doesn't seem like a very viable league. Not unless there was some other reason beyond ball skills that kept him from playing.
A lot of leagues have limits on the number of Americans per team in order to make room for more local players and develop the game locally.
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Re: Portal numbers

Post by cdaAg » August 3rd, 2022, 8:42 am

dirtnsnow wrote:
August 3rd, 2022, 8:28 am
bwcrc wrote:
August 3rd, 2022, 6:30 am
aggies22 wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 8:32 pm
Pacobag wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 1:06 pm
Did Thelissen get picked up by another NCAA team?
I had heard that he may end up at South Dakota or go home and play pro ball.
As I recall, there was some excitement about Thelissen coming and reasonable expectations that he would be a solid contributor. He got here late, which didn't help but he never made his way into the rotation. How he could play pro ball doesn't make a lot of sense when he couldn't really even sniff the court last year for USU. And if he couldn't find another school to transfer to, that doubly doesn't make a lot of sense. I get that there are some lower level leagues in Europe, but if there is a league where Thelissen can make it that doesn't seem like a very viable league. Not unless there was some other reason beyond ball skills that kept him from playing.
A lot of leagues have limits on the number of Americans per team in order to make room for more local players and develop the game locally.
And there are various levels of "pro" leagues in Europe. Jaycee played at the elite European level. Some levels have teams largely made of guys who are Thelissen equivalents. They don't make a whole lot of money, kind of like a guy in single A baseball.
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Re: Portal numbers

Post by bwcrc » August 3rd, 2022, 11:23 am

aggies22 wrote:
August 3rd, 2022, 6:33 am
bwcrc wrote:
August 3rd, 2022, 6:30 am
aggies22 wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 8:32 pm
Pacobag wrote:
August 2nd, 2022, 1:06 pm
Did Thelissen get picked up by another NCAA team?
I had heard that he may end up at South Dakota or go home and play pro ball.
As I recall, there was some excitement about Thelissen coming and reasonable expectations that he would be a solid contributor. He got here late, which didn't help but he never made his way into the rotation. How he could play pro ball doesn't make a lot of sense when he couldn't really even sniff the court last year for USU. And if he couldn't find another school to transfer to, that doubly doesn't make a lot of sense. I get that there are some lower level leagues in Europe, but if there is a league where Thelissen can make it that doesn't seem like a very viable league. Not unless there was some other reason beyond ball skills that kept him from playing.
Thelissen was playing pro ball before he came to Utah State. But as with Zahar Vedischev his failure to buy into the system ultimately led to his departure.
I had forgotten he played pro before coming. That makes sense about not playing at USU because he didn't buy into the system.

At a certain level, I respect a coach for not letting someone do their own thing but keep it more about the team. It may hurt in the short-term but helps build longer-term success.



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Re: Portal numbers

Post by aggies22 » August 3rd, 2022, 11:45 am

ineptimusprime wrote:
August 3rd, 2022, 8:20 am
USU78 wrote:
August 1st, 2022, 9:43 pm
aggies22 wrote:
August 1st, 2022, 9:41 pm
BustaMcNutt wrote:
August 1st, 2022, 7:05 pm
I’m curious how many out of 12 moved straight across and how many transferred down.
11 out of 12 moved laterally or down.
What morons are advising these kids?
I’m guessing in a lot of cases it’s their own coaches encouraging kids to move on for more playing time at a lower level.

When used properly, the transfer portal is more a benefit to schools to try to purge deadweight from a roster than it is a burden to schools losing star players, because far more players bust than boom.
The coaching community is so small that if one school is going to cut a kid, they should at least use their contacts to find the kid a place to play.



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