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Someone told me wrong then. Thanks for the corrections.smfdaggie wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 3:23 pmYou make some great points about Brown being able to bring in some of our all-time best players. However he was long gone when he started recruiting O'Neal who played at LSU in the late 80's and Plain got the job here in 1971. Also, Nate sprained his ankle in the first half of the UCLA game or we would have won that game. That is still the best Aggie team of all-time IMO.mcaggie1 wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 3:05 pmI was coming on the board to make a point.....and you had already made it. We both must be brilliant.LoveMyAggies wrote: ↑March 19th, 2022, 9:54 amOdom needs to have a recruiter who can zero in on areas Odom doesnt have connections, if we’re going to allow him to make excuses why he can’t land some impact players from California or anywhere in the west rich in state high school basketball for that matter. Kind of like Ladell Anderson had with Dale Brown. Odom and his current staff probably have lots of connections along the east coast.ineptimusprime wrote:I would love a house cleaning but recruiting an entirely new starting lineup in a single offseason and hitting it big with two all-conference performers amongst the group is just a lot to ask of Odom.
There has to be 1 assistant he could add that is very well connected in the state of california, and if the coach is an up and comer probably deserves $100-150k max would save Odom from losing his job. (I’m thinking like we had under Stew with Dave Rice before he was the UNLV head coach). Some one who has been in basketball 10+ years, maybe has worked with a SDSU .. Fresno ... USC .. etc in the past (midmajor or low tier P5 teams who have turned over their staff in the last 25-30 years. This would be Odom investing in his own future success, its going to be worth it in the long run, let’s see what wins out pride he has the perfect staff or humility to add a new quality recruiter.
Adding 1 JC player and a transfer portal player isnt going to cut it. Unless Hartwell isnt willing to give Odom the resources to be successful.
I have this view point because Craig Smith was able to bring <4-5 new players in each of his first 2 years with the idea of upgrading the roster.
2018-19
Queta (international player) arguable best center ever at USU
Knight (never went to class)
Grootfam (Bench player minimal min)
Johnson(failed HS recruit)
2019-20
Bairstow (international player)
Anderson (JC player)
Anthony (transfer portal)
Mchensney (failed HS recruit)
Karkowski (career ending injury)
Dorius (potentially failed HS recruit)
I intentionally used these years as examples that a coach can bring in 10 new players who you hope 3-4 will be significant contributors in the program.
Do the same with Stew in 1999 and 2000, it did set him up to flow through 2000-2011 with some good to great teams.
Impactful players that actually fit the bill of MWC level talent.
So far Odom has brought
Horvath (graduating)
RJ ER
Rylan Jones (Im not saying he can’t be fixed, but if you can get 2 healthy new transfer portal pg’s that are proven probably you do it)
Zee Hamoda
Theilison (pending failed international recruit)
Nobody here thought you need to treat your team like you’re the NCAA GM with 1 year role players 10 years ago. That is the situation we find ourselves in, and Odom needs to take some significant risks to recruit over the roster because his development of certain players previously discussed has not worked out. Accept it and move on. Again maybe a shake-up with the assistants is warranted. At minimum he needs one western US experienced assistant/experienced. I could give up that notion if Odom brings in a significant upgrade in talent this offseason from the east coast and Texas areas; considering the background of his current assistants. I like most of you just want to see Odom successful, and ripping off the bandaid with 6-8 new players should be considered as plan A, IMHO.
I’d love to see a healthy debate on this topic from Usublue and StanfordAggie. And the rest of you all as well.
Everyone is saying we need this player or we need this player. WRONG!!!!!!
Before we need any player in any position.....We need a Dale Brown type to be our main recruiter. One beautiful year in the late 60's This guy named Dale Brown went to Brooklyn. When he got back home he brought to Logan a guy named Marv Roberts. Then Brown went the other way......to Oakland. When he got back he brought home a guy named Nate Williams. After that a guy named named Shaler Halimon showed up. When Brown left USU, he was upset because he didn't get named Head Coach at USU. T.L.Plain got that distinction. Brown, at the time, was busy recruiting a big guy named Shaquile O'Neal, who told Brown he would go anywhere Brown goes. So Brown goes to LSU and not USU.
We need a Dale Brown type recruiter whether he be a Head Coach or Assistant. Everything else should fall in to place as far as competing in the NCAA's. Remember, it was that team and that Asst. Coach who went to the Elite 8 in 1970.
The coach (John Wooden) of the team that beat us that year said after the game that they were lucky because when Nate Williams leg was hurt the game before, It took Nate out of the fame, and he said UCLA might have have lost. Nate played in that game, but was limping too much to make a difference.
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Likely Coach Odom has to do some recruiting, get some new players commitments, and finally look to counseling out some of the players he sees as non contributors. To say anything else publicly could cause unnecessary roster problems. Seems Coach Smith at Utah has some of the same shallow problems as exist in Logan. Recruiting should be in full blossom between now and signing day.TrueBlueAggie123 wrote: ↑March 15th, 2022, 10:20 pmTbh, I’m not sure what Odom is supposed to say. He can’t really tell everyone that the roster needs an overhaul or that some players shouldn’t come back. I think it was a professional answer, or at least that’s what I’m hoping. If you can’t see the glaring issues with the players we have coming back, then it’s gonna be a rough couple season.ineptimusprime wrote:Odom said he doesn’t want anyone to leave on the postgame.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑March 15th, 2022, 10:12 pmIf conference play wasn't enough of one, seeing the size and athleticism of a mediocre Oregon team should be lasting nightmare for our coaching staff going into the offseason. We need to counsel out Dorius, Zapala, Norbert, and I hate to say it, but I'm not sure Rylan Jones is even good enough to keep on the roster. We need someone who can get to the hoop and finish when he gets there. A true scorer. We need at least 2 legit rim protectors, better perimeter shooting, and a stretch 4.
But I agree. I have nothing against Rylan, but he and Ashworth are nigh unplayable together, and Ashworth has far more upside. I don’t think we can keep Rylan and recruit the type of guard we need to make Odom’s offense hum. He’s taking up too many minutes.
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Well shaqs son shareef is transferring from lsu so maybe we could get his son although his college career has not been impressive so far.mcaggie1 wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 8:10 amSomeone told me wrong then. Thanks for the corrections.smfdaggie wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 3:23 pmYou make some great points about Brown being able to bring in some of our all-time best players. However he was long gone when he started recruiting O'Neal who played at LSU in the late 80's and Plain got the job here in 1971. Also, Nate sprained his ankle in the first half of the UCLA game or we would have won that game. That is still the best Aggie team of all-time IMO.mcaggie1 wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 3:05 pmI was coming on the board to make a point.....and you had already made it. We both must be brilliant.LoveMyAggies wrote: ↑March 19th, 2022, 9:54 amOdom needs to have a recruiter who can zero in on areas Odom doesnt have connections, if we’re going to allow him to make excuses why he can’t land some impact players from California or anywhere in the west rich in state high school basketball for that matter. Kind of like Ladell Anderson had with Dale Brown. Odom and his current staff probably have lots of connections along the east coast.ineptimusprime wrote:I would love a house cleaning but recruiting an entirely new starting lineup in a single offseason and hitting it big with two all-conference performers amongst the group is just a lot to ask of Odom.
There has to be 1 assistant he could add that is very well connected in the state of california, and if the coach is an up and comer probably deserves $100-150k max would save Odom from losing his job. (I’m thinking like we had under Stew with Dave Rice before he was the UNLV head coach). Some one who has been in basketball 10+ years, maybe has worked with a SDSU .. Fresno ... USC .. etc in the past (midmajor or low tier P5 teams who have turned over their staff in the last 25-30 years. This would be Odom investing in his own future success, its going to be worth it in the long run, let’s see what wins out pride he has the perfect staff or humility to add a new quality recruiter.
Adding 1 JC player and a transfer portal player isnt going to cut it. Unless Hartwell isnt willing to give Odom the resources to be successful.
I have this view point because Craig Smith was able to bring <4-5 new players in each of his first 2 years with the idea of upgrading the roster.
2018-19
Queta (international player) arguable best center ever at USU
Knight (never went to class)
Grootfam (Bench player minimal min)
Johnson(failed HS recruit)
2019-20
Bairstow (international player)
Anderson (JC player)
Anthony (transfer portal)
Mchensney (failed HS recruit)
Karkowski (career ending injury)
Dorius (potentially failed HS recruit)
I intentionally used these years as examples that a coach can bring in 10 new players who you hope 3-4 will be significant contributors in the program.
Do the same with Stew in 1999 and 2000, it did set him up to flow through 2000-2011 with some good to great teams.
Impactful players that actually fit the bill of MWC level talent.
So far Odom has brought
Horvath (graduating)
RJ ER
Rylan Jones (Im not saying he can’t be fixed, but if you can get 2 healthy new transfer portal pg’s that are proven probably you do it)
Zee Hamoda
Theilison (pending failed international recruit)
Nobody here thought you need to treat your team like you’re the NCAA GM with 1 year role players 10 years ago. That is the situation we find ourselves in, and Odom needs to take some significant risks to recruit over the roster because his development of certain players previously discussed has not worked out. Accept it and move on. Again maybe a shake-up with the assistants is warranted. At minimum he needs one western US experienced assistant/experienced. I could give up that notion if Odom brings in a significant upgrade in talent this offseason from the east coast and Texas areas; considering the background of his current assistants. I like most of you just want to see Odom successful, and ripping off the bandaid with 6-8 new players should be considered as plan A, IMHO.
I’d love to see a healthy debate on this topic from Usublue and StanfordAggie. And the rest of you all as well.
Everyone is saying we need this player or we need this player. WRONG!!!!!!
Before we need any player in any position.....We need a Dale Brown type to be our main recruiter. One beautiful year in the late 60's This guy named Dale Brown went to Brooklyn. When he got back home he brought to Logan a guy named Marv Roberts. Then Brown went the other way......to Oakland. When he got back he brought home a guy named Nate Williams. After that a guy named named Shaler Halimon showed up. When Brown left USU, he was upset because he didn't get named Head Coach at USU. T.L.Plain got that distinction. Brown, at the time, was busy recruiting a big guy named Shaquile O'Neal, who told Brown he would go anywhere Brown goes. So Brown goes to LSU and not USU.
We need a Dale Brown type recruiter whether he be a Head Coach or Assistant. Everything else should fall in to place as far as competing in the NCAA's. Remember, it was that team and that Asst. Coach who went to the Elite 8 in 1970.
The coach (John Wooden) of the team that beat us that year said after the game that they were lucky because when Nate Williams leg was hurt the game before, It took Nate out of the fame, and he said UCLA might have have lost. Nate played in that game, but was limping too much to make a difference.
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It appears Odom has hit “snooze” on that wake up call.
Pretty unbelievable we have no one in the portal when the average is about 3 guys per school. We don’t appear to be playing this musical chairs game correctly, or at least not like everyone else is.
Again, I can be patient waiting for the right guys to commit, but where it doesn’t look like we’re even opening the requisite scholarships….
Sigh.
Pretty unbelievable we have no one in the portal when the average is about 3 guys per school. We don’t appear to be playing this musical chairs game correctly, or at least not like everyone else is.
Again, I can be patient waiting for the right guys to commit, but where it doesn’t look like we’re even opening the requisite scholarships….
Sigh.
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Gotta coach 'em up!ineptimusprime wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 1:34 pmIt appears Odom has hit “snooze” on that wake up call.
Pretty unbelievable we have no one in the portal when the average is about 3 guys per school. We don’t appear to be playing this musical chairs game correctly, or at least not like everyone else is.
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Seems that may be the tact we are taking. I wish Odom all the luck in the world in that endeavor. I do not see it working out well for USU, its fans, or Odom’s career trajectory. But I have been wrong before!Bank Shot wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 1:35 pmGotta coach 'em up!ineptimusprime wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 1:34 pmIt appears Odom has hit “snooze” on that wake up call.
Pretty unbelievable we have no one in the portal when the average is about 3 guys per school. We don’t appear to be playing this musical chairs game correctly, or at least not like everyone else is.
I like Odom and think he is good coach, but I am starting to question his fit at USU.
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Patience. I'm pretty sure he's going to fill the scholarships before the season starts.
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So your self imposed posting ban for this recruiting cycle lasted 3 days? Good effort. Way to hang in there.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 1:40 pmSeems that may be the tact we are taking. I wish Odom all the luck in the world in that endeavor. I do not see it working out well for USU, its fans, or Odom’s career trajectory. But I have been wrong before!Bank Shot wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 1:35 pmGotta coach 'em up!ineptimusprime wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 1:34 pmIt appears Odom has hit “snooze” on that wake up call.
Pretty unbelievable we have no one in the portal when the average is about 3 guys per school. We don’t appear to be playing this musical chairs game correctly, or at least not like everyone else is.
I like Odom and think he is good coach, but I am starting to question his fit at USU.
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I tried, man. The negativity in my dark soul needed to find release.smfdaggie wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 2:58 pmSo your self imposed posting ban for this recruiting cycle lasted 3 days? Good effort. Way to hang in there.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 1:40 pmSeems that may be the tact we are taking. I wish Odom all the luck in the world in that endeavor. I do not see it working out well for USU, its fans, or Odom’s career trajectory. But I have been wrong before!Bank Shot wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 1:35 pmGotta coach 'em up!ineptimusprime wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 1:34 pmIt appears Odom has hit “snooze” on that wake up call.
Pretty unbelievable we have no one in the portal when the average is about 3 guys per school. We don’t appear to be playing this musical chairs game correctly, or at least not like everyone else is.
I like Odom and think he is good coach, but I am starting to question his fit at USU.
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It's all good. You did better than I do each time I say I'm stopping Diet Coke.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 3:06 pmI tried, man. The negativity in my dark soul needed to find release.smfdaggie wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 2:58 pmSo your self imposed posting ban for this recruiting cycle lasted 3 days? Good effort. Way to hang in there.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 1:40 pmSeems that may be the tact we are taking. I wish Odom all the luck in the world in that endeavor. I do not see it working out well for USU, its fans, or Odom’s career trajectory. But I have been wrong before!Bank Shot wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 1:35 pmGotta coach 'em up!ineptimusprime wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 1:34 pmIt appears Odom has hit “snooze” on that wake up call.
Pretty unbelievable we have no one in the portal when the average is about 3 guys per school. We don’t appear to be playing this musical chairs game correctly, or at least not like everyone else is.
I like Odom and think he is good coach, but I am starting to question his fit at USU.
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“I picked the wrong week to give up cocaine”. Name the movie.
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Airplane!FeartheFro wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 4:05 pm“I picked the wrong week to give up cocaine”. Name the movie.
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Also: “I picked the wrong week to give up sniffing glue”.
And, Also: “I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines”.
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I've tried asking the guy next to me to pinch me so I can make sure I wasn't dreaming. Didn't go over well.FeartheFro wrote: ↑March 30th, 2022, 4:05 pm“I picked the wrong week to give up cocaine”. Name the movie.
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And don’t call me Shirley.
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Here is my objective observation. Look at the recent successful players of the last decade. Say Ja Morant and Steph Curry. Pick any others as well who have shined over the years.Kevincurtisforlife wrote:I think my frustration is I think he is pretty solid from beyond the arc but he hesitates far too much so how would we actually know? I think if he felt more confident in general it would translate on the court. It was fun the games that Ashworth and Jones caught fire. Just didn’t happen near enough. I really do believe the ability is there though. I don’t think he trusts it. It didn’t help he battled injuries as well. The concussion. His ribs.CaptainChaos wrote: ↑March 15th, 2022, 11:21 pmI’m not trying to pile on or be overly critical, but I don’t understand how someone like Rylan is even looked at to play D1 basketball without being an absolute sniper from outside the arc. I can clearly see the good ball handling and passing ability, but too many other liabilities in my opinion.
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They keep getting better and better, because they are putting in the effective hard work and grinding it out. If we have players who got so much better since day one, ie Justin Bean did, we would see certain players competing for starter minutes .. instead of losing minutes.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ustin-bean
Do you think he magically got better at shooting the 3 ball, over night? I think not, he worked a bunch in the gym himself and with the team. Good grief look at Beans first full year stat line Vs his senior year. Clearly he improved and continued to.
Mastering the fundamentals, and adding shots every off-season. The problem I see is less than 4 players did the work necessary to improve and become better. The rest are scholarship place holders at this level of talent.
There’s only so much a coaching staff can do, when players arent improving and their confidence is down. The coaches should be able to step in and help developmentally speaking. We have the size and 20% of the athletic ability currently. Seems like a huge question mark on where is the heart of some of these guys??
Its okay I can accept the fact that these kids have lives and put a lot of effort into practice and showed up everyday.
Sometimes its just not enough to coach up a player to MWC level of talent and some times it is .. as evidenced by Justin Bean, Queta, and Sam Merrill.
I dont want to name names, there is one player I thought this year could develop into a monster player. His tools and skills regressed and I dont know what happened, i dont recall any specific injuries, but he didnt work out and like some others should be recruited over.
Players I saw significant improvement to MWC level included Bean Horvath and Bairstow. MWC level starters today.
Jones and Ashworth had some really good games and had some consistency issues.
We have many holes to plug .. I agree Shulga could become like Britto and Zee still has his own work todo.
Maybe Odoms developmental process is a 2-4 year program waiting period???
Maybe I’m wrong to expect the players to seek extra practice time to work on deficiencies. ????
Every player on the team should improve from the free throw line, rebounds, and if you’re a F/C all of them should have a post up play or two to go to. The guards and wings should be more aggressive driving to the hoop (seems lacking to me). And all the guards and wings should see improvement from 3-pointers. Some players are putting in the effort. Is it too much to expect them all to be making year to year improvements?
Just some of my observations overall, I hope we figure it out. I can be patient and still support the team. I just hope the program can step forward as a whole, instead of stepping backward.
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Great post. Was Jaycee an exceptional shooter? Yes. Did Jaycee work exceptionally hard on his shot? Yes. I do sales training and as part of it discuss hard work. The example I use is Karl Malone and his foul shooting. I show where Karl would have ended up on the all time scoring list if his foul shooting % would have remained the same as his rookie year throughout his career and where Shaq would have ended up if his foul shooting % would have increased to Karl’s level. Simple truth, Karl cared and put the work in. Shaq didn’t.LoveMyAggies wrote:Here is my objective observation. Look at the recent successful players of the last decade. Say Ja Morant and Steph Curry. Pick any others as well who have shined over the years.Kevincurtisforlife wrote:I think my frustration is I think he is pretty solid from beyond the arc but he hesitates far too much so how would we actually know? I think if he felt more confident in general it would translate on the court. It was fun the games that Ashworth and Jones caught fire. Just didn’t happen near enough. I really do believe the ability is there though. I don’t think he trusts it. It didn’t help he battled injuries as well. The concussion. His ribs.CaptainChaos wrote: ↑March 15th, 2022, 11:21 pmI’m not trying to pile on or be overly critical, but I don’t understand how someone like Rylan is even looked at to play D1 basketball without being an absolute sniper from outside the arc. I can clearly see the good ball handling and passing ability, but too many other liabilities in my opinion.
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They keep getting better and better, because they are putting in the effective hard work and grinding it out. If we have players who got so much better since day one, ie Justin Bean did, we would see certain players competing for starter minutes .. instead of losing minutes.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ustin-bean
Do you think he magically got better at shooting the 3 ball, over night? I think not, he worked a bunch in the gym himself and with the team. Good grief look at Beans first full year stat line Vs his senior year. Clearly he improved and continued to.
Mastering the fundamentals, and adding shots every off-season. The problem I see is less than 4 players did the work necessary to improve and become better. The rest are scholarship place holders at this level of talent.
There’s only so much a coaching staff can do, when players arent improving and their confidence is down. The coaches should be able to step in and help developmentally speaking. We have the size and 20% of the athletic ability currently. Seems like a huge question mark on where is the heart of some of these guys??
Its okay I can accept the fact that these kids have lives and put a lot of effort into practice and showed up everyday.
Sometimes its just not enough to coach up a player to MWC level of talent and some times it is .. as evidenced by Justin Bean, Queta, and Sam Merrill.
I dont want to name names, there is one player I thought this year could develop into a monster player. His tools and skills regressed and I dont know what happened, i dont recall any specific injuries, but he didnt work out and like some others should be recruited over.
Players I saw significant improvement to MWC level included Bean Horvath and Bairstow. MWC level starters today.
Jones and Ashworth had some really good games and had some consistency issues.
We have many holes to plug .. I agree Shulga could become like Britto and Zee still has his own work todo.
Maybe Odoms developmental process is a 2-4 year program waiting period???
Maybe I’m wrong to expect the players to seek extra practice time to work on deficiencies. ????
Every player on the team should improve from the free throw line, rebounds, and if you’re a F/C all of them should have a post up play or two to go to. The guards and wings should be more aggressive driving to the hoop (seems lacking to me). And all the guards and wings should see improvement from 3-pointers. Some players are putting in the effort. Is it too much to expect them all to be making year to year improvements?
Just some of my observations overall, I hope we figure it out. I can be patient and still support the team. I just hope the program can step forward as a whole, instead of stepping backward.
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I've grown to like Shaq over the years but I really disliked him as a player.FeartheFro wrote: ↑March 31st, 2022, 12:04 pmGreat post. Was Jaycee an exceptional shooter? Yes. Did Jaycee work exceptionally hard on his shot? Yes. I do sales training and as part of it discuss hard work. The example I use is Karl Malone and his foul shooting. I show where Karl would have ended up on the all time scoring list if his foul shooting % would have remained the same as his rookie year throughout his career and where Shaq would have ended up if his foul shooting % would have increased to Karl’s level. Simple truth, Karl cared and put the work in. Shaq didn’t.LoveMyAggies wrote:Here is my objective observation. Look at the recent successful players of the last decade. Say Ja Morant and Steph Curry. Pick any others as well who have shined over the years.Kevincurtisforlife wrote:I think my frustration is I think he is pretty solid from beyond the arc but he hesitates far too much so how would we actually know? I think if he felt more confident in general it would translate on the court. It was fun the games that Ashworth and Jones caught fire. Just didn’t happen near enough. I really do believe the ability is there though. I don’t think he trusts it. It didn’t help he battled injuries as well. The concussion. His ribs.CaptainChaos wrote: ↑March 15th, 2022, 11:21 pmI’m not trying to pile on or be overly critical, but I don’t understand how someone like Rylan is even looked at to play D1 basketball without being an absolute sniper from outside the arc. I can clearly see the good ball handling and passing ability, but too many other liabilities in my opinion.
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They keep getting better and better, because they are putting in the effective hard work and grinding it out. If we have players who got so much better since day one, ie Justin Bean did, we would see certain players competing for starter minutes .. instead of losing minutes.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... ustin-bean
Do you think he magically got better at shooting the 3 ball, over night? I think not, he worked a bunch in the gym himself and with the team. Good grief look at Beans first full year stat line Vs his senior year. Clearly he improved and continued to.
Mastering the fundamentals, and adding shots every off-season. The problem I see is less than 4 players did the work necessary to improve and become better. The rest are scholarship place holders at this level of talent.
There’s only so much a coaching staff can do, when players arent improving and their confidence is down. The coaches should be able to step in and help developmentally speaking. We have the size and 20% of the athletic ability currently. Seems like a huge question mark on where is the heart of some of these guys??
Its okay I can accept the fact that these kids have lives and put a lot of effort into practice and showed up everyday.
Sometimes its just not enough to coach up a player to MWC level of talent and some times it is .. as evidenced by Justin Bean, Queta, and Sam Merrill.
I dont want to name names, there is one player I thought this year could develop into a monster player. His tools and skills regressed and I dont know what happened, i dont recall any specific injuries, but he didnt work out and like some others should be recruited over.
Players I saw significant improvement to MWC level included Bean Horvath and Bairstow. MWC level starters today.
Jones and Ashworth had some really good games and had some consistency issues.
We have many holes to plug .. I agree Shulga could become like Britto and Zee still has his own work todo.
Maybe Odoms developmental process is a 2-4 year program waiting period???
Maybe I’m wrong to expect the players to seek extra practice time to work on deficiencies. ????
Every player on the team should improve from the free throw line, rebounds, and if you’re a F/C all of them should have a post up play or two to go to. The guards and wings should be more aggressive driving to the hoop (seems lacking to me). And all the guards and wings should see improvement from 3-pointers. Some players are putting in the effort. Is it too much to expect them all to be making year to year improvements?
Just some of my observations overall, I hope we figure it out. I can be patient and still support the team. I just hope the program can step forward as a whole, instead of stepping backward.
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Rick Barry worked with him on shooting free-throws early in Shaq's stint with the Lakers. As you probably know, Barry is the all-time leader in FT % and shot them under-handed, using both hands. He has explained why those mechanics are the most sound and require the least amount of "moving parts"; hence, less to go wrong, resulting in higher % of makes.
Word is, Shaq was very good when using this technique in practice but scrapped it for the games because he was afraid of how he would look in front of millions of people.
Personally, I think he would have been iconic and probably would have won more championships.
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The vast majority of players should shoot underhanded. Malcom Gladwell did a podcast episode about this. Most everyone could shoot over 90% if they shot underhand and practiced enough. It's actually pretty surprising to me that nobody (other than Barry) haven't thrown their ego aside and done it in games.
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I've heard that podcast as well.3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑March 31st, 2022, 1:30 pmThe vast majority of players should shoot underhanded. Malcom Gladwell did a podcast episode about this. Most everyone could shoot over 90% if they shot underhand and practiced enough. It's actually pretty surprising to me that nobody (other than Barry) haven't thrown their ego aside and done it in games.
Re: Wake Up Call
"Odom needs to have a recruiter who can zero in on areas Odom doesn't have connections, if we’re going to allow him to make excuses why he can’t land some impact players from California or anywhere in the west, rich in-state high school basketball for that matter. Kind of like Ladell Anderson had with Dale Brown. Odom and his current staff probably have lots of connections along the east coast.
"There has to be 1 assistant he could add that is very well connected in the state of California, and if the coach is an up and comer probably deserves $100-150k max would save Odom from losing his job."
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Looks like Nate Dixon is "that man". Connections in Philly?
I'd expect Odom would have some links to the Carolinas and points "southeast".
Send Matt Henry to California.....
"There has to be 1 assistant he could add that is very well connected in the state of California, and if the coach is an up and comer probably deserves $100-150k max would save Odom from losing his job."
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Looks like Nate Dixon is "that man". Connections in Philly?
I'd expect Odom would have some links to the Carolinas and points "southeast".
Send Matt Henry to California.....
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https://utahstateaggies.com/sports/mens ... -henry/599Winkie wrote:"Odom needs to have a recruiter who can zero in on areas Odom doesn't have connections, if we’re going to allow him to make excuses why he can’t land some impact players from California or anywhere in the west, rich in-state high school basketball for that matter. Kind of like Ladell Anderson had with Dale Brown. Odom and his current staff probably have lots of connections along the east coast.
"There has to be 1 assistant he could add that is very well connected in the state of California, and if the coach is an up and comer probably deserves $100-150k max would save Odom from losing his job."
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Looks like Nate Dixon is "that man". Connections in Philly?
I'd expect Odom would have some links to the Carolinas and points "southeast".
Send Matt Henry to California.....
I reviewed the background of the coaches, none have any reported international connections or experience (unless they have friends and family aces up their sleeves - who might randomly suggest)
Coach Henry is from Texas and has exp working various locations along the East coast/UMBC. Nil experience working in the West or Cali.
I’m looking at the west as a whole from Colorado west, and Cali is its own animal with those private schools and AAU like teams.
An example you could name who has the connections but may be burnt out is Steve Cleveland. .. I’d prefer an up and comer who is charismatic and might be at a Fresno, St Marys, Cal, USC, or a JC head coach who knows all of the big name High School coaches.
Look at the rest of Odom’s staff .. seems like to me they are all east coasters, which is fine dont get me wrong.
We are missing out on the recruits and JC players that Stew was so effective at identifying and luring to Logan.
I think a healthy mix of Eastern/western 3* players, 1-2 transfer portal guys from P5 schools and a couple of improving JC transfer guys from Cali could help a bunch.
It goes back to the Dale Brown example, someone who can get the players that Odom otherwise couldn’t through their established relationships.