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This team has more talent than they have shown. I'm not certain what the problem is, but it appears many guys are working through issues and injuries that we don't know about. I admire Odom for letting players stay in the game during slumps. Maybe he is coaching for a tournament run instead of a record breaking regular season (unlike the Jazz).
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I suppose you believe Odom is out there bricking all the 3’s huh? You weren’t thinking this in preseason when we were shooting good. Such a dumb post
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Coach has to instill confidence. When your team is mentally weak you have to fix that. Bring in a sports psychologist if you can't do it yourself.bigblue wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm100% lack of confidence. That's more mental than coaching in my opinion. We have a perfect storm of multiple players lacking confidence.
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Is that not a coaching issue if your players have no confidence?bigblue wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm100% lack of confidence. That's more mental than coaching in my opinion. We have a perfect storm of multiple players lacking confidence.
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Horvath and Dorius went 0-4 in the final eight minutes of the second half from the FT line. Meanwhile, Fresno St. had guys going 4/4 and 5/5. It's ridiculous.
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Don't forget about Shulga missing a front end. Those hurt.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:25 pmHorvath and Dorius went 0-4 in the final eight minutes of the second half from the FT line. Meanwhile, Fresno St. had guys going 4/4 and 5/5. It's ridiculous.
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Free throw shooting is horrendous. It is what cost us the game. Horvath missed 2 and Shulga the front end of the 1/1. This team has no Alpha on the court. Bean is a complementary player, but generally not a first option offensive player. Actually considering the talent it is a miracle we are so close in these games.
To be a good to great team you need to be elite at one side of the court. We are mediocre on both ends and it shows, we are very average. Fresno is not great offensively, but elite defensively.
To be a good to great team you need to be elite at one side of the court. We are mediocre on both ends and it shows, we are very average. Fresno is not great offensively, but elite defensively.
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Also is it not true that we have played really good teams? We have played the best in the MW and have been in it with 2:00 left in every game.
With the roster we have I would consider that a success.
With the roster we have I would consider that a success.
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That's five points right there. We aren't an overly athletic team. If we are truly that "scrappy" team, then we have to hit free throws.treesap32 wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:25 pmDon't forget about Shulga missing a front end. Those hurt.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:25 pmHorvath and Dorius went 0-4 in the final eight minutes of the second half from the FT line. Meanwhile, Fresno St. had guys going 4/4 and 5/5. It's ridiculous.
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Air Force isn't a really good team. And the next team we play is undefeated in conference.Winning Team wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:26 pmAlso is it not true that we have played really good teams? We have played the best in the MW and have been in it with 2:00 left in every game.
With the roster we have I would consider that a success.
Going 1-4 in conference isn't a success. We gotta win some of these.
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This team does not have more talent than it has shown. At 10-8, if anything, we have overachieved the overall talent level of the team.Chod wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pmThis team has more talent than they have shown. I'm not certain what the problem is, but it appears many guys are working through issues and injuries that we don't know about. I admire Odom for letting players stay in the game during slumps. Maybe he is coaching for a tournament run instead of a record breaking regular season (unlike the Jazz).
Most of our roster did not have offers from anything close to a peer school. With Miller now retired, the exceptions to that are Jones, Bairstow, and Ashworth. Is it any wonder those are the three guys everyone agrees on wanting to keep? The talent level overall is pretty atrocious.
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Good point treesap. Someone needs to convince these guys that they belong and can compete. The issues appear to be mental right now.treesap32 wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:24 pmCoach has to instill confidence. When your team is mentally weak you have to fix that. Bring in a sports psychologist if you can't do it yourself.bigblue wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm100% lack of confidence. That's more mental than coaching in my opinion. We have a perfect storm of multiple players lacking confidence.
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Absolutely it is. We pass up open/good shots all the time.. if I was the coach I would be all over upset at my guys for not taking those.GUS wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:24 pmIs that not a coaching issue if your players have no confidence?bigblue wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm100% lack of confidence. That's more mental than coaching in my opinion. We have a perfect storm of multiple players lacking confidence.
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Let us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
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Two NBA guys. Merrill and Moore. Oh and McEwen.JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pmLet us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
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It always makes me feel bad when I see Aggies attacking each other kinda pushes me away from this amazing site. I don't always agree and might make a dumb remark. But I don't think we need the personal attacksJonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:16 pmAren’t you the idiot that wanted Smith fired after taking USU to 3 consecutive NCAA tournaments?Agzrule wrote:Nice argument, as alwaysJonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:12 pmI found the stupidest post we will see all year and it’s only January. What a fool.Agzrule wrote:He is terrible, this team is pathetic
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I also don't know the history, but still....
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I think shot selection is the problem with the shooting, and yes I think that is on the coach as I don’t see it improvingMaverik_Aggie wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:24 pmI suppose you believe Odom is out there bricking all the 3’s huh? You weren’t thinking this in preseason when we were shooting good. Such a dumb post
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In the end though it's on the players. I mean we have missed a gigantic load of wide open shots the past several games. Not saying Odom is blameless there is equal share of blame to go around. I'm not sold that we are on the Duryea road part way into Odom's 1st season.treesap32 wrote:Coach has to instill confidence. When your team is mentally weak you have to fix that. Bring in a sports psychologist if you can't do it yourself.bigblue wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm100% lack of confidence. That's more mental than coaching in my opinion. We have a perfect storm of multiple players lacking confidence.
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Justin bean isn’t a high level college guy?JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pmLet us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
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I forgot about Moore. I’m certain Odom would have this team at the top of the league (which is much tougher now) with those 3 guys. Duryea doesn’t belong in the same conversation with Odom.treesap32 wrote:Two NBA guys. Merrill and Moore. Oh and McEwen.JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pmLet us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
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Yeah lol at Koby being a high level college guy and Bean not being one.slcagg wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:33 pmJustin bean isn’t a high level college guy?JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pmLet us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
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Never said the coach is blameless.GUS wrote:Is that not a coaching issue if your players have no confidence?bigblue wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm100% lack of confidence. That's more mental than coaching in my opinion. We have a perfect storm of multiple players lacking confidence.
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He’s a good player. Nowhere near as talented as those 3 guys.slcagg wrote:Justin bean isn’t a high level college guy?JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pmLet us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
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He is, but he is generally not a guy that takes over a game offensively like a Sam could. Bean has been really average the last several games when this team needs him to be great. I hope he can get it back.slcagg wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:33 pmJustin bean isn’t a high level college guy?JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pmLet us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
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He is a much better college player than Koby is. It isn't even close.JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:35 pmHe’s a good player. Nowhere near as talented as those 3 guys.slcagg wrote:Justin bean isn’t a high level college guy?JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pmLet us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
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Treesap can vouch for this, but when I was still capable of physical movement, people hated to play me in basketball because they thought I was a cocky (I can't express myself without swearing). I would call my shots before they went in, and it pissed people off. What wasn't grasped was the fact that "self-talk" is the oldest way to maintain/regain confidence in the history of human sport. Confidence is contagious, whether real or manufactured, and so is timidity. Lots of us have experienced pressure moments or played in front of large crowds, and I think we can agree that those who were successful were those who could weather slumps or storms and stop the slide. This team needs a psychologist and several practices full of FTs and 3 point shooting until they puke.
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The thread isn’t “is Odom blameless?” it’s Odom =Duryea. That’s a ridiculously stupid statement.
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Yeah I don’t know where people are seeing much talent on this team. Other than Bairstow none of our guards or wings could turn the corner and get downhill. We don’t have good shooters. We are below average athletically. Which of our guys are on the top 1/3 to 1/2 of the league at their spots?ineptimusprime wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:29 pmThis team does not have more talent than it has shown. At 10-8, if anything, we have overachieved the overall talent level of the team.Chod wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pmThis team has more talent than they have shown. I'm not certain what the problem is, but it appears many guys are working through issues and injuries that we don't know about. I admire Odom for letting players stay in the game during slumps. Maybe he is coaching for a tournament run instead of a record breaking regular season (unlike the Jazz).
Most of our roster did not have offers from anything close to a peer school. With Miller now retired, the exceptions to that are Jones, Bairstow, and Ashworth. Is it any wonder those are the three guys everyone agrees on wanting to keep? The talent level overall is pretty atrocious.
Again, Odom may or may not be a good coach but we’re seeing the product of Craig’s poor recruiting efforts.
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Air Force lost a close one at Boise tonight, for whatever that’s worth.treesap32 wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:28 pmAir Force isn't a really good team. And the next team we play is undefeated in conference.Winning Team wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:26 pmAlso is it not true that we have played really good teams? We have played the best in the MW and have been in it with 2:00 left in every game.
With the roster we have I would consider that a success.
Going 1-4 in conference isn't a success. We gotta win some of these.
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I think that this just became the active thread and most of those of us posting don't agree with the sentiments expressed in the thread title.JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pmLet us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
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Perspective, friends. We lost another close Q1 road game.
To expect instant success from Odom isnt fair, especially considering the whole roster outside of RJER and Horvath are Smith’s recruits. Except the good ones, who were recruited by duryea, lol. Even with that considered, we are still ranked 64 in the NET (might go down a couple spots). If Odom gives us a top 100 team his first year, we should be grateful and look forward to further improvement.
To expect instant success from Odom isnt fair, especially considering the whole roster outside of RJER and Horvath are Smith’s recruits. Except the good ones, who were recruited by duryea, lol. Even with that considered, we are still ranked 64 in the NET (might go down a couple spots). If Odom gives us a top 100 team his first year, we should be grateful and look forward to further improvement.
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In a macro sense, Odom definitely is not Duryea. Odom has won in the NCAA tournament and is objectively a better Head Coach than Duryea. Odom still probably does very well at USU. Let's see what he brings in for recruiting. He hasn't had a full year at USU to recruit before this upcoming class, so hard to judge him for the patchwork job he did last Spring.
Constantly losing close games is really disappointing though and this team deserves its share of criticism for how they fail to close games.
Constantly losing close games is really disappointing though and this team deserves its share of criticism for how they fail to close games.
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Oooh, good call on the shooting drills Gus. I’m going to call coach and suggest it.
Real question. Have you ever been to a practice on any level?