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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by Chod » January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm

This team has more talent than they have shown. I'm not certain what the problem is, but it appears many guys are working through issues and injuries that we don't know about. I admire Odom for letting players stay in the game during slumps. Maybe he is coaching for a tournament run instead of a record breaking regular season (unlike the Jazz).
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by Maverik_Aggie » January 18th, 2022, 11:24 pm

Agzrule wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:00 pm
He is terrible, this team is pathetic
I suppose you believe Odom is out there bricking 🧱 all the 3’s huh? You weren’t thinking this in preseason when we were shooting good. Such a dumb post
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by treesap32 » January 18th, 2022, 11:24 pm

bigblue wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm
slcagg wrote:
treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:20 pm
treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:16 pm
Mentally weak. Can't make FTs, we panic and turn the ball over. Miss open looks. Miss layups.

Gotta put some of the blame on the coaches when your team is mentally weak.
Horvath went from shooting over 80% from the FT line to clanking them off the glass. He's missed his last 7 free throws.
So what has happened? Seems like a confidence thing and the whole team looks tentative out there.
100% lack of confidence. That's more mental than coaching in my opinion. We have a perfect storm of multiple players lacking confidence.

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Coach has to instill confidence. When your team is mentally weak you have to fix that. Bring in a sports psychologist if you can't do it yourself.
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by GUS » January 18th, 2022, 11:24 pm

bigblue wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm
slcagg wrote:
treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:20 pm
treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:16 pm
Mentally weak. Can't make FTs, we panic and turn the ball over. Miss open looks. Miss layups.

Gotta put some of the blame on the coaches when your team is mentally weak.
Horvath went from shooting over 80% from the FT line to clanking them off the glass. He's missed his last 7 free throws.
So what has happened? Seems like a confidence thing and the whole team looks tentative out there.
100% lack of confidence. That's more mental than coaching in my opinion. We have a perfect storm of multiple players lacking confidence.

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Is that not a coaching issue if your players have no confidence?
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by FloridaAggie13 » January 18th, 2022, 11:25 pm

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It's all mental. This is probably the best the MWC has ever been and we've been right there, only to flail about in the last minute trying to make up for missed FTs throughout the game.
Horvath and Dorius went 0-4 in the final eight minutes of the second half from the FT line. Meanwhile, Fresno St. had guys going 4/4 and 5/5. It's ridiculous.
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by treesap32 » January 18th, 2022, 11:25 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:25 pm
Ahbye wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:22 pm
It's all mental. This is probably the best the MWC has ever been and we've been right there, only to flail about in the last minute trying to make up for missed FTs throughout the game.
Horvath and Dorius went 0-4 in the final eight minutes of the second half from the FT line. Meanwhile, Fresno St. had guys going 4/4 and 5/5. It's ridiculous.
Don't forget about Shulga missing a front end. Those hurt.
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by Aggie84025 » January 18th, 2022, 11:26 pm

Free throw shooting is horrendous. It is what cost us the game. Horvath missed 2 and Shulga the front end of the 1/1. This team has no Alpha on the court. Bean is a complementary player, but generally not a first option offensive player. Actually considering the talent it is a miracle we are so close in these games.

To be a good to great team you need to be elite at one side of the court. We are mediocre on both ends and it shows, we are very average. Fresno is not great offensively, but elite defensively.



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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by Winning Team » January 18th, 2022, 11:26 pm

Also is it not true that we have played really good teams? We have played the best in the MW and have been in it with 2:00 left in every game.

With the roster we have I would consider that a success.
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by FloridaAggie13 » January 18th, 2022, 11:27 pm

treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:25 pm
FloridaAggie13 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:25 pm
Ahbye wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:22 pm
It's all mental. This is probably the best the MWC has ever been and we've been right there, only to flail about in the last minute trying to make up for missed FTs throughout the game.
Horvath and Dorius went 0-4 in the final eight minutes of the second half from the FT line. Meanwhile, Fresno St. had guys going 4/4 and 5/5. It's ridiculous.
Don't forget about Shulga missing a front end. Those hurt.
That's five points right there. We aren't an overly athletic team. If we are truly that "scrappy" team, then we have to hit free throws.



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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by treesap32 » January 18th, 2022, 11:28 pm

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January 18th, 2022, 11:26 pm
Also is it not true that we have played really good teams? We have played the best in the MW and have been in it with 2:00 left in every game.

With the roster we have I would consider that a success.
Air Force isn't a really good team. And the next team we play is undefeated in conference.

Going 1-4 in conference isn't a success. We gotta win some of these.
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by ineptimusprime » January 18th, 2022, 11:29 pm

Chod wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm
This team has more talent than they have shown. I'm not certain what the problem is, but it appears many guys are working through issues and injuries that we don't know about. I admire Odom for letting players stay in the game during slumps. Maybe he is coaching for a tournament run instead of a record breaking regular season (unlike the Jazz).
This team does not have more talent than it has shown. At 10-8, if anything, we have overachieved the overall talent level of the team.

Most of our roster did not have offers from anything close to a peer school. With Miller now retired, the exceptions to that are Jones, Bairstow, and Ashworth. Is it any wonder those are the three guys everyone agrees on wanting to keep? The talent level overall is pretty atrocious.
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by aggieaz » January 18th, 2022, 11:29 pm

treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:24 pm
bigblue wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm
slcagg wrote:
treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:20 pm
treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:16 pm
Mentally weak. Can't make FTs, we panic and turn the ball over. Miss open looks. Miss layups.

Gotta put some of the blame on the coaches when your team is mentally weak.
Horvath went from shooting over 80% from the FT line to clanking them off the glass. He's missed his last 7 free throws.
So what has happened? Seems like a confidence thing and the whole team looks tentative out there.
100% lack of confidence. That's more mental than coaching in my opinion. We have a perfect storm of multiple players lacking confidence.

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Coach has to instill confidence. When your team is mentally weak you have to fix that. Bring in a sports psychologist if you can't do it yourself.
Good point treesap. Someone needs to convince these guys that they belong and can compete. The issues appear to be mental right now.



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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by GUS » January 18th, 2022, 11:29 pm

Listening to Odom in the postgame, he has no clue.



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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by Elkaggie » January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pm

GUS wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:24 pm
bigblue wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm
slcagg wrote:
treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:20 pm
treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:16 pm
Mentally weak. Can't make FTs, we panic and turn the ball over. Miss open looks. Miss layups.

Gotta put some of the blame on the coaches when your team is mentally weak.
Horvath went from shooting over 80% from the FT line to clanking them off the glass. He's missed his last 7 free throws.
So what has happened? Seems like a confidence thing and the whole team looks tentative out there.
100% lack of confidence. That's more mental than coaching in my opinion. We have a perfect storm of multiple players lacking confidence.

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Is that not a coaching issue if your players have no confidence?
Absolutely it is. We pass up open/good shots all the time.. if I was the coach I would be all over upset at my guys for not taking those.
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by JonnyCienPesos » January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pm

Let us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.


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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by treesap32 » January 18th, 2022, 11:31 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pm
Let us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
Two NBA guys. Merrill and Moore. Oh and McEwen.
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by aggiesdidwhat » January 18th, 2022, 11:32 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:16 pm
Agzrule wrote:
JonnyCienPesos wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:12 pm
Agzrule wrote:He is terrible, this team is pathetic
I found the stupidest post we will see all year and it’s only January. What a fool.


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Aren’t you the idiot that wanted Smith fired after taking USU to 3 consecutive NCAA tournaments?


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I also don't know the history, but still....
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by Agzrule » January 18th, 2022, 11:33 pm

Maverik_Aggie wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:24 pm
Agzrule wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:00 pm
He is terrible, this team is pathetic
I suppose you believe Odom is out there bricking 🧱 all the 3’s huh? You weren’t thinking this in preseason when we were shooting good. Such a dumb post
I think shot selection is the problem with the shooting, and yes I think that is on the coach as I don’t see it improving



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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by bigblue » January 18th, 2022, 11:33 pm


treesap32 wrote:
bigblue wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm
slcagg wrote:
treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:20 pm
treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:16 pm
Mentally weak. Can't make FTs, we panic and turn the ball over. Miss open looks. Miss layups.

Gotta put some of the blame on the coaches when your team is mentally weak.
Horvath went from shooting over 80% from the FT line to clanking them off the glass. He's missed his last 7 free throws.
So what has happened? Seems like a confidence thing and the whole team looks tentative out there.
100% lack of confidence. That's more mental than coaching in my opinion. We have a perfect storm of multiple players lacking confidence.

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Coach has to instill confidence. When your team is mentally weak you have to fix that. Bring in a sports psychologist if you can't do it yourself.
In the end though it's on the players. I mean we have missed a gigantic load of wide open shots the past several games. Not saying Odom is blameless there is equal share of blame to go around. I'm not sold that we are on the Duryea road part way into Odom's 1st season.

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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by slcagg » January 18th, 2022, 11:33 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pm
Let us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
Justin bean isn’t a high level college guy?



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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by JonnyCienPesos » January 18th, 2022, 11:34 pm

treesap32 wrote:
JonnyCienPesos wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pm
Let us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
Two NBA guys. Merrill and Moore. Oh and McEwen.
I forgot about Moore. I’m certain Odom would have this team at the top of the league (which is much tougher now) with those 3 guys. Duryea doesn’t belong in the same conversation with Odom.


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Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » January 18th, 2022, 11:35 pm

slcagg wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:33 pm
JonnyCienPesos wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pm
Let us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
Justin bean isn’t a high level college guy?
Yeah lol at Koby being a high level college guy and Bean not being one.



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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by bigblue » January 18th, 2022, 11:35 pm


GUS wrote:
bigblue wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm
slcagg wrote:
treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:20 pm
treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:16 pm
Mentally weak. Can't make FTs, we panic and turn the ball over. Miss open looks. Miss layups.

Gotta put some of the blame on the coaches when your team is mentally weak.
Horvath went from shooting over 80% from the FT line to clanking them off the glass. He's missed his last 7 free throws.
So what has happened? Seems like a confidence thing and the whole team looks tentative out there.
100% lack of confidence. That's more mental than coaching in my opinion. We have a perfect storm of multiple players lacking confidence.

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Is that not a coaching issue if your players have no confidence?
Never said the coach is blameless.

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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by JonnyCienPesos » January 18th, 2022, 11:35 pm

slcagg wrote:
JonnyCienPesos wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pm
Let us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
Justin bean isn’t a high level college guy?
He’s a good player. Nowhere near as talented as those 3 guys.


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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by Aggie84025 » January 18th, 2022, 11:35 pm

slcagg wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:33 pm
JonnyCienPesos wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pm
Let us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
Justin bean isn’t a high level college guy?
He is, but he is generally not a guy that takes over a game offensively like a Sam could. Bean has been really average the last several games when this team needs him to be great. I hope he can get it back.



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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » January 18th, 2022, 11:36 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:35 pm
slcagg wrote:
JonnyCienPesos wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pm
Let us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
Justin bean isn’t a high level college guy?
He’s a good player. Nowhere near as talented as those 3 guys.


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He is a much better college player than Koby is. It isn't even close.
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by Ahbye » January 18th, 2022, 11:36 pm

Treesap can vouch for this, but when I was still capable of physical movement, people hated to play me in basketball because they thought I was a cocky (I can't express myself without swearing). I would call my shots before they went in, and it pissed people off. What wasn't grasped was the fact that "self-talk" is the oldest way to maintain/regain confidence in the history of human sport. Confidence is contagious, whether real or manufactured, and so is timidity. Lots of us have experienced pressure moments or played in front of large crowds, and I think we can agree that those who were successful were those who could weather slumps or storms and stop the slide. This team needs a psychologist and several practices full of FTs and 3 point shooting until they puke.
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by JonnyCienPesos » January 18th, 2022, 11:37 pm

The thread isn’t “is Odom blameless?” it’s Odom =Duryea. That’s a ridiculously stupid statement.


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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by Intermeddler » January 18th, 2022, 11:38 pm

ineptimusprime wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:29 pm
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January 18th, 2022, 11:23 pm
This team has more talent than they have shown. I'm not certain what the problem is, but it appears many guys are working through issues and injuries that we don't know about. I admire Odom for letting players stay in the game during slumps. Maybe he is coaching for a tournament run instead of a record breaking regular season (unlike the Jazz).
This team does not have more talent than it has shown. At 10-8, if anything, we have overachieved the overall talent level of the team.

Most of our roster did not have offers from anything close to a peer school. With Miller now retired, the exceptions to that are Jones, Bairstow, and Ashworth. Is it any wonder those are the three guys everyone agrees on wanting to keep? The talent level overall is pretty atrocious.
Yeah I don’t know where people are seeing much talent on this team. Other than Bairstow none of our guards or wings could turn the corner and get downhill. We don’t have good shooters. We are below average athletically. Which of our guys are on the top 1/3 to 1/2 of the league at their spots?

Again, Odom may or may not be a good coach but we’re seeing the product of Craig’s poor recruiting efforts.



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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by GUS » January 18th, 2022, 11:38 pm

Does Bean have another year if he wants. He may need it after his performance in the conference games.



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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » January 18th, 2022, 11:38 pm

treesap32 wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:28 pm
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Also is it not true that we have played really good teams? We have played the best in the MW and have been in it with 2:00 left in every game.

With the roster we have I would consider that a success.
Air Force isn't a really good team. And the next team we play is undefeated in conference.

Going 1-4 in conference isn't a success. We gotta win some of these.
Air Force lost a close one at Boise tonight, for whatever that’s worth.



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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by Ahbye » January 18th, 2022, 11:40 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:30 pm
Let us not forget that Mr Duryea had an NBA guy in Merrill and a high level college guy in McEwen. Odom has no such players and this team is far more competitive with a far more difficult schedule. This thread is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this board.
I think that this just became the active thread and most of those of us posting don't agree with the sentiments expressed in the thread title.



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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » January 18th, 2022, 11:43 pm

Perspective, friends. We lost another close Q1 road game.

To expect instant success from Odom isnt fair, especially considering the whole roster outside of RJER and Horvath are Smith’s recruits. Except the good ones, who were recruited by duryea, lol. Even with that considered, we are still ranked 64 in the NET (might go down a couple spots). If Odom gives us a top 100 team his first year, we should be grateful and look forward to further improvement.
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » January 18th, 2022, 11:43 pm

In a macro sense, Odom definitely is not Duryea. Odom has won in the NCAA tournament and is objectively a better Head Coach than Duryea. Odom still probably does very well at USU. Let's see what he brings in for recruiting. He hasn't had a full year at USU to recruit before this upcoming class, so hard to judge him for the patchwork job he did last Spring.

Constantly losing close games is really disappointing though and this team deserves its share of criticism for how they fail to close games.
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Re: Odom = Duryea

Post by bpd » January 18th, 2022, 11:43 pm

GUS wrote:
January 18th, 2022, 11:13 pm
There are drills to improve shooting. Odom has no idea. Runs no plays when needed. If it's because he has no players, that's his fault. He could have brought in some better players.
Oooh, good call on the shooting drills Gus. I’m going to call coach and suggest it.

Real question. Have you ever been to a practice on any level?
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