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Brock Retired
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Medically now ruled out to play again.
Medically now ruled out to play again.
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Re: Brock Retired
Brock Miller gave his all, but his back is toast. Miller could have been a 20 points per game scorer if his back was healthy.
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Some people have been calling for this decision to be made so it's not a surprise it eventually was. There were rumors this offseason it would be made then. The criticism he got early on his career was justified, but he was better before his back injury, and would be better this year if not for it, but the fact is he HAD the injury that DID hamper him.
Now that it's over, we can appreciate Brock choosing to come here, and acknowledge he is a great guy and a great team player, always trying his hardest.
Now that it's over, we can appreciate Brock choosing to come here, and acknowledge he is a great guy and a great team player, always trying his hardest.
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Re: Brock Retired
Feel for him. As someone who has had a bad back, it sucks! People don't know pain until they have dealt with chronic back pain. Obviously its his dream to play basketball, so it had to be terrible news to hear this. He has clearly been willing to fight through the pain to play.
From a macro standpoint, this is the best decision for our basketball program and for his health and future in life.
(Assuming of course this info is accurate)
From a macro standpoint, this is the best decision for our basketball program and for his health and future in life.
(Assuming of course this info is accurate)
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Re: Brock Retired
I know many on this board may disagree with me, but this is a huge loss for Utah State and it makes the team significantly worse.
I really feel for the kid, it’s been years since he’s been anywhere close to fully healthy, but he’s battled through and been a trooper through it all.
I really feel for the kid, it’s been years since he’s been anywhere close to fully healthy, but he’s battled through and been a trooper through it all.
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Re: Brock Retired
Absolutely. He stretches the floor, when he is on he’s a killer. I hope he gets well. He’s a great Aggie.stang wrote: ↑January 16th, 2022, 7:05 pmI know many on this board may disagree with me, but this is a huge loss for Utah State and it makes the team significantly worse.
I really feel for the kid, it’s been years since he’s been anywhere close to fully healthy, but he’s battled through and been a trooper through it all.
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Re: Brock Retired
The Brock Miller slander has never been warranted. It’s a big loss for sure, particularly considering our guard situation this year. He was a great Aggie.
I do wish he would have hung it up after last season for health reasons to avoid this very scenario.
I do wish he would have hung it up after last season for health reasons to avoid this very scenario.
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Re: Brock Retired
Like I posted in another thread, This is a loss, but the "loss" was suffered when Brock hurt his back last year. It's a loss compared to where we would be if we had his fully healthy self that we had last year, but it's not much of a loss that we won't have his crippled self that we had this year. There is a reason why there were rumors this offseason he would be done.stang wrote: ↑January 16th, 2022, 7:05 pmI know many on this board may disagree with me, but this is a huge loss for Utah State and it makes the team significantly worse.
I really feel for the kid, it’s been years since he’s been anywhere close to fully healthy, but he’s battled through and been a trooper through it all.
He will be a great supporter on the bench being there for the other guys the rest of the year. Or at least I would sure like to see him on the bench and traveling with the team to finish the year.
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Re: Brock Retired
Brock is an Aggie through and through. A healthy Brock is a player this team needs. Hope he can get healed and live a fruitful life. I appreciate all the effort he gave to the Aggies.
Hopefully Odom can bring in some impact players this off-season.
Hopefully Odom can bring in some impact players this off-season.
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Re: Brock Retired
Actually maybe 3 out of 75 disagree with you. Read this thread alone. Brock is very well like and very well supported.stang wrote:I know many on this board may disagree with me, but this is a huge loss for Utah State and it makes the team significantly worse.
I really feel for the kid, it’s been years since he’s been anywhere close to fully healthy, but he’s battled through and been a trooper through it all.
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Re: Brock Retired
Slander is a bit strong. Brock Miller had stretches where he shot the ball extremely poorly. It is fair as a fan to call out a strategy where a team gives that many shots to a someone who isn't shooting efficiently. Take the end of last season where in his last 8 games he shot less than 25% from 3 despite averaging seven 3's a game. Slander implies something personal was directed at him which was never the case.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑January 16th, 2022, 7:25 pmThe Brock Miller slander has never been warranted. It’s a big loss for sure, particularly considering our guard situation this year. He was a great Aggie.
I do wish he would have hung it up after last season for health reasons to avoid this very scenario.
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Re: Brock Retired
I'll always appreciate his hustle and "never give up" attitude in spite of his own pain. He's not the most gifted athlete but no one can ever question his heart or the fact that he left all he had on the court every night.
I only hope that missing the rest of the season won't mean we have to listen to dilweed announcers go on and on about how we are without one of the most prolific 3-point shooters in program history. I guess it comes down to how you define prolific. I think he's like 4th in school history in 3-point attempts but doesn't even appear on the top 25 in 3pt%.
I only hope that missing the rest of the season won't mean we have to listen to dilweed announcers go on and on about how we are without one of the most prolific 3-point shooters in program history. I guess it comes down to how you define prolific. I think he's like 4th in school history in 3-point attempts but doesn't even appear on the top 25 in 3pt%.
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Re: Brock Retired
This opens up a scholarship, and I hope that Odom is looking to get some more talent. We desperately need it. Our current team is lacking in many areas. We don't do anything very well right now.
I think Brock was a big part of our early success as a team. I feel for him. I don't agree that it was a huge loss. We weren't going to win a bunch more games with him in the lineup.
I think Brock was a big part of our early success as a team. I feel for him. I don't agree that it was a huge loss. We weren't going to win a bunch more games with him in the lineup.
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Re: Brock Retired
I think we can rest assured after Justin Bean’s most recent interview he will be gone as well.
So we’ll have at least two scholarships. Probably a safe bet 2-3 on the bench will not be back either (If I were a betting man, Zapala and Thelissen will not be back).
Odom should be recruiting as if we have 4-5 open scholarships or can make open 4-5 scholarships if the right player comes around.
So we’ll have at least two scholarships. Probably a safe bet 2-3 on the bench will not be back either (If I were a betting man, Zapala and Thelissen will not be back).
Odom should be recruiting as if we have 4-5 open scholarships or can make open 4-5 scholarships if the right player comes around.
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Re: Brock Retired
I never understood the extreme love hate relationship fans had with Brock. I liked his hustle and he appeared to give 100% every time he played.
He was a limited over all player whose primary skillset was to shoot three pointers off set plays or a broken-down defense and he was okay at this. It's a good trait to have on a team. He wasn't as good as Brian Green was in almost the same role ten years ago, he wasn't the same type of catch and shoot threat as Jaycee, and he couldn't get his own shot like Sam.
Kyle Korver comes to mind (no, Brock is nowhere as good as Korver) as having the same role. You give the guy 15-18 minutes a game and if he's hot then he gets more minutes. That's really it, because if he's not hot, he can shoot you out of a game. Craig Smith loved Brock, but I still remember the 2020 MWC Championship Game where it was obvious Smith had put the brakes on on him and his role that day was to fill minutes while other players got some rest.
Hope he has much success in whatever he does next.
He was a limited over all player whose primary skillset was to shoot three pointers off set plays or a broken-down defense and he was okay at this. It's a good trait to have on a team. He wasn't as good as Brian Green was in almost the same role ten years ago, he wasn't the same type of catch and shoot threat as Jaycee, and he couldn't get his own shot like Sam.
Kyle Korver comes to mind (no, Brock is nowhere as good as Korver) as having the same role. You give the guy 15-18 minutes a game and if he's hot then he gets more minutes. That's really it, because if he's not hot, he can shoot you out of a game. Craig Smith loved Brock, but I still remember the 2020 MWC Championship Game where it was obvious Smith had put the brakes on on him and his role that day was to fill minutes while other players got some rest.
Hope he has much success in whatever he does next.
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Re: Brock Retired
He was definitely one of the most prolific "shooters" in USU history who, when on a roll, could rack up a lot of points in a hurry. Unfortunately, those "rolls" were well spaced.Aglicious wrote: ↑January 16th, 2022, 11:25 pmI only hope that missing the rest of the season won't mean we have to listen to dilweed announcers go on and on about how we are without one of the most prolific 3-point shooters in program history. I guess it comes down to how you define prolific. I think he's like 4th in school history in 3-point attempts but doesn't even appear on the top 25 in 3pt%.
I've been watching USU basketball since the 1960's. He was not one of our most prolific scorers. He was a solid roll player.
I had a good conversation with several members of the coaching staff the other day. They know exactly what this team needs and plan to address it in the spring signing period, as well as throughout the summer as opportunities present themselves. They are not the dufuses some of you seem to think they are.
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Re: Brock Retired
He would have been if he didn't have that back injury. I pointed this out before in the season when Miller had his back injury, before the back injury, he shot 43.5 % from 3.AggiesForever wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:25 pmHe was definitely one of the most prolific "shooters" in USU history who, when on a roll, could rack up a lot of points in a hurry. Unfortunately, those "rolls" were well spaced.Aglicious wrote: ↑January 16th, 2022, 11:25 pmI only hope that missing the rest of the season won't mean we have to listen to dilweed announcers go on and on about how we are without one of the most prolific 3-point shooters in program history. I guess it comes down to how you define prolific. I think he's like 4th in school history in 3-point attempts but doesn't even appear on the top 25 in 3pt%.
I've been watching USU basketball since the 1960's. He was not one of our most prolific scorers. He was a solid roll player.
I had a good conversation with several members of the coaching staff the other day. They know exactly what this team needs and plan to address it in the spring signing period, as well as throughout the summer as opportunities present themselves. They are not the dufuses some of you seem to think they are.
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Re: Brock Retired
At no point in his career, even before the back injury, was he ever better than a 36.5% shooter from 3.SLB wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:47 pmHe would have been if he didn't have that back injury. I pointed this out before in the season when Miller had his back injury, before the back injury, he shot 43.5 % from 3.AggiesForever wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:25 pmHe was definitely one of the most prolific "shooters" in USU history who, when on a roll, could rack up a lot of points in a hurry. Unfortunately, those "rolls" were well spaced.Aglicious wrote: ↑January 16th, 2022, 11:25 pmI only hope that missing the rest of the season won't mean we have to listen to dilweed announcers go on and on about how we are without one of the most prolific 3-point shooters in program history. I guess it comes down to how you define prolific. I think he's like 4th in school history in 3-point attempts but doesn't even appear on the top 25 in 3pt%.
I've been watching USU basketball since the 1960's. He was not one of our most prolific scorers. He was a solid roll player.
I had a good conversation with several members of the coaching staff the other day. They know exactly what this team needs and plan to address it in the spring signing period, as well as throughout the summer as opportunities present themselves. They are not the dufuses some of you seem to think they are.
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Re: Brock Retired
Thanks for a great career Brock! I'm sad to see it end this way for you, but appreciate all you gave to the university and fans. Best wishes always!
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Re: Brock Retired
Best wishes Miller! Thanks for being part of great Aggie basketball teams. I will miss the headband out there on the court.
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Re: Brock Retired
He shot 43.5% from 3 in the season before the back injury. I did the math on this. If you don't believe me, you could go and check it out.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:51 pmAt no point in his career, even before the back injury, was he ever better than a 36.5% shooter from 3.SLB wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:47 pmHe would have been if he didn't have that back injury. I pointed this out before in the season when Miller had his back injury, before the back injury, he shot 43.5 % from 3.AggiesForever wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:25 pmHe was definitely one of the most prolific "shooters" in USU history who, when on a roll, could rack up a lot of points in a hurry. Unfortunately, those "rolls" were well spaced.Aglicious wrote: ↑January 16th, 2022, 11:25 pmI only hope that missing the rest of the season won't mean we have to listen to dilweed announcers go on and on about how we are without one of the most prolific 3-point shooters in program history. I guess it comes down to how you define prolific. I think he's like 4th in school history in 3-point attempts but doesn't even appear on the top 25 in 3pt%.
I've been watching USU basketball since the 1960's. He was not one of our most prolific scorers. He was a solid roll player.
I had a good conversation with several members of the coaching staff the other day. They know exactly what this team needs and plan to address it in the spring signing period, as well as throughout the summer as opportunities present themselves. They are not the dufuses some of you seem to think they are.
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Re: Brock Retired
I looked at his entire career on ESPN Stats. Sure, we can look at a block of games where he shot really well, but those are an outlier when compared to the rest of his career. When he was getting a lot of time in 2018-19, and '19-20, he was a 35% shooter from three, same as last year.SLB wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 7:05 pmHe shot 43.5% from 3 in the season before the back injury. I did the math on this. If you don't believe me, you could go and check it out.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:51 pmAt no point in his career, even before the back injury, was he ever better than a 36.5% shooter from 3.SLB wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:47 pmHe would have been if he didn't have that back injury. I pointed this out before in the season when Miller had his back injury, before the back injury, he shot 43.5 % from 3.AggiesForever wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:25 pmHe was definitely one of the most prolific "shooters" in USU history who, when on a roll, could rack up a lot of points in a hurry. Unfortunately, those "rolls" were well spaced.Aglicious wrote: ↑January 16th, 2022, 11:25 pmI only hope that missing the rest of the season won't mean we have to listen to dilweed announcers go on and on about how we are without one of the most prolific 3-point shooters in program history. I guess it comes down to how you define prolific. I think he's like 4th in school history in 3-point attempts but doesn't even appear on the top 25 in 3pt%.
I've been watching USU basketball since the 1960's. He was not one of our most prolific scorers. He was a solid roll player.
I had a good conversation with several members of the coaching staff the other day. They know exactly what this team needs and plan to address it in the spring signing period, as well as throughout the summer as opportunities present themselves. They are not the dufuses some of you seem to think they are.
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Re: Brock Retired
This. At no point this season did Brock shoot anywhere near your claimed %.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 7:29 pmI looked at his entire career on ESPN Stats. Sure, we can look at a block of games where he shot really well, but those are an outlier when compared to the rest of his career. When he was getting a lot of time in 2018-19, and '19-20, he was a 35% shooter from three, same as last year.SLB wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 7:05 pmHe shot 43.5% from 3 in the season before the back injury. I did the math on this. If you don't believe me, you could go and check it out.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:51 pmAt no point in his career, even before the back injury, was he ever better than a 36.5% shooter from 3.SLB wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:47 pmHe would have been if he didn't have that back injury. I pointed this out before in the season when Miller had his back injury, before the back injury, he shot 43.5 % from 3.AggiesForever wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:25 pmHe was definitely one of the most prolific "shooters" in USU history who, when on a roll, could rack up a lot of points in a hurry. Unfortunately, those "rolls" were well spaced.Aglicious wrote: ↑January 16th, 2022, 11:25 pmI only hope that missing the rest of the season won't mean we have to listen to dilweed announcers go on and on about how we are without one of the most prolific 3-point shooters in program history. I guess it comes down to how you define prolific. I think he's like 4th in school history in 3-point attempts but doesn't even appear on the top 25 in 3pt%.
I've been watching USU basketball since the 1960's. He was not one of our most prolific scorers. He was a solid roll player.
I had a good conversation with several members of the coaching staff the other day. They know exactly what this team needs and plan to address it in the spring signing period, as well as throughout the summer as opportunities present themselves. They are not the dufuses some of you seem to think they are.
Through 5 games this year - 9/30 = 30.0 %
Through 10 games this year - 20/56 = 35.7 %
Through 12 games this year - 25/66 = 37.8 %
Through the 13 he played - 25/73 = 34.2%
2020 Season - 36.5%
2019 season - 30.5%
2018 season - 36.4%
Seriously SLB cut the shi+. At no point in his career injury or not has he shot anywhere close to that % on a regular basis. Let the man finish in peace and I will as well. But you need to stop acting like Brock was ever going to be more than what he was. A guy that shot a poor percentage from 3 his entire career.
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Re: Brock Retired
Most of last season, he shot 43.5% from 3. The back injury sunk Miller's stats.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 7:29 pmI looked at his entire career on ESPN Stats. Sure, we can look at a block of games where he shot really well, but those are an outlier when compared to the rest of his career. When he was getting a lot of time in 2018-19, and '19-20, he was a 35% shooter from three, same as last year.SLB wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 7:05 pmHe shot 43.5% from 3 in the season before the back injury. I did the math on this. If you don't believe me, you could go and check it out.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:51 pmAt no point in his career, even before the back injury, was he ever better than a 36.5% shooter from 3.SLB wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:47 pmHe would have been if he didn't have that back injury. I pointed this out before in the season when Miller had his back injury, before the back injury, he shot 43.5 % from 3.AggiesForever wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 3:25 pmHe was definitely one of the most prolific "shooters" in USU history who, when on a roll, could rack up a lot of points in a hurry. Unfortunately, those "rolls" were well spaced.Aglicious wrote: ↑January 16th, 2022, 11:25 pmI only hope that missing the rest of the season won't mean we have to listen to dilweed announcers go on and on about how we are without one of the most prolific 3-point shooters in program history. I guess it comes down to how you define prolific. I think he's like 4th in school history in 3-point attempts but doesn't even appear on the top 25 in 3pt%.
I've been watching USU basketball since the 1960's. He was not one of our most prolific scorers. He was a solid roll player.
I had a good conversation with several members of the coaching staff the other day. They know exactly what this team needs and plan to address it in the spring signing period, as well as throughout the summer as opportunities present themselves. They are not the dufuses some of you seem to think they are.
His back injury happened after the Fresno State game 2/4/21.
After his back injury last season, Miller shot 13/55 on 3s. (23.6%)
Before that, Miller was 44/101 on 3s. (43.5 %)
You guys making me do the math all over again and again. Sheesh
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Junior guard Brock Miller led both sides in scoring, turning in a season-high 16 points and tying his season high with four makes from behind the arc. He was joined in double figures by junior center Neemias Queta, recording his fifth double-double of the season with 14 points and a season-high 16 rebounds.
All-time favorite moments with Miller
Junior guard Brock Miller led both sides in scoring, turning in a season-high 16 points and tying his season high with four makes from behind the arc. He was joined in double figures by junior center Neemias Queta, recording his fifth double-double of the season with 14 points and a season-high 16 rebounds.
All-time favorite moments with Miller
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You're just trolling now SLB. Well done. Yes tied his season high of 4 three's. Out of 10 attempts that game. So your "all time favorite moments" of Brock are when he made 4/10 three point attempts and had 16 points in one game and that is what you use to claim that He would have averaged 20ppg without the injury? LOL.SLB wrote: ↑January 17th, 2022, 9:19 pmhttps://utahstateaggies.com/news/2021/1 ... state.aspx
Junior guard Brock Miller led both sides in scoring, turning in a season-high 16 points and tying his season high with four makes from behind the arc. He was joined in double figures by junior center Neemias Queta, recording his fifth double-double of the season with 14 points and a season-high 16 rebounds.
All-time favorite moments with Miller
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Re: Brock Retired
What many of you are missing is that Brock shot well enough that he had the respect of other teams to create gravity that gave our other players more room to for their own shots and also helped create driving lanes. We no longer have that on the perimeter unless Shulga or Bairstow start hitting enough shots that they don't get left by their defender.
Brock also was much better defensively than most of you recognize. He was very good at trailing other team's shooters, not allowing them room to shoot and he was quite good at using his length on that end as well.
This will really hurt our team.
Brock also was much better defensively than most of you recognize. He was very good at trailing other team's shooters, not allowing them room to shoot and he was quite good at using his length on that end as well.
This will really hurt our team.
Hail the Utah Aggies!