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I started this discussion two and a half years ago but needs to be resurfaced as it's looking more like a reality. John Hollinger talked about Bean in an article discussing NBA draft prospects:
https://theathletic.com/2976191/2021/11 ... ht-my-eye/
From the article:
Justin Bean, senior SF/PF, Utah State
As in “jumping Bean.” The first thing that stands out about Bean is his bounciness off two feet and his great hands in crowds, qualities which enable him to inhale rebounds by the boatload. He goes waaaayy out of his zone for a lot of them, too, especially on the offensive glass; the result is a sparking 20.9 Rebound Rate for a player who stands just 6-7.
Scouts had always been attracted to that part of his game, but his shooting form looked more like Mr. Bean. Not any more. Bean has unleashed a legit 3-point weapon in the early part of this season, which makes him look very much the part of an NBA forward. Bean has made 10 of his 16 3-point attempts thus far after making ten all season in 2020-21; he’s also more than doubled his scoring average. As a career 80.9 percent foul shooter, there is at least some reason to believe that he can continue being a halfway decent 3-point threat.
As a result, Bean might be the one player who has most helped his draft trajectory in the early part of the year. The other indicators (high steal rate, leaping ability, mid-50s 2-point percentages every year) were all there, so his name needs to start popping up on draft boards. While Bean doesn’t have a dynamic handle, he could be a pretty good energy role player if he’s merely an average shooter.
https://theathletic.com/2976191/2021/11 ... ht-my-eye/
From the article:
Justin Bean, senior SF/PF, Utah State
As in “jumping Bean.” The first thing that stands out about Bean is his bounciness off two feet and his great hands in crowds, qualities which enable him to inhale rebounds by the boatload. He goes waaaayy out of his zone for a lot of them, too, especially on the offensive glass; the result is a sparking 20.9 Rebound Rate for a player who stands just 6-7.
Scouts had always been attracted to that part of his game, but his shooting form looked more like Mr. Bean. Not any more. Bean has unleashed a legit 3-point weapon in the early part of this season, which makes him look very much the part of an NBA forward. Bean has made 10 of his 16 3-point attempts thus far after making ten all season in 2020-21; he’s also more than doubled his scoring average. As a career 80.9 percent foul shooter, there is at least some reason to believe that he can continue being a halfway decent 3-point threat.
As a result, Bean might be the one player who has most helped his draft trajectory in the early part of the year. The other indicators (high steal rate, leaping ability, mid-50s 2-point percentages every year) were all there, so his name needs to start popping up on draft boards. While Bean doesn’t have a dynamic handle, he could be a pretty good energy role player if he’s merely an average shooter.
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Re: Bean in the NBA
His shot is still weird to watch, but if it keeps going in... does it matter what it looks like?
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Shawn Marion and bill Cartwright had the worst shots I’ve ever seen and beans is way better thank theirs. It just matters where the ball is released and bean let’s it fly at the top and straight. I’m not sure why he starts at his chest and i always think he’s going to get blocked but he gets it off over his defenders every time.brownjeans wrote: ↑November 27th, 2021, 5:09 amHis shot is still weird to watch, but if it keeps going in... does it matter what it looks like?
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Remember Jamaal Wilkes? His shooting form was an abomination and he had a long NBA career.
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Wilkes’ shot was from behind his ear. But it had a higher trajectory than Bean’s. I am always surprised that Bean’s chest shots don’t get blocked.
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Wilkes form just didn't seem like a repeatable form, to me. There were so many moving parts to circle that ball around his head and shoot from behind his ear. I was amazed he could make anything with that form.
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Re: Bean in the NBA
Seems he's shooting a little bit higher up his chest this year which has played huge dividends. Still looks goofy but not as bad as last year IMO.brownjeans wrote: ↑November 27th, 2021, 5:09 amHis shot is still weird to watch, but if it keeps going in... does it matter what it looks like?
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I asked this in chat during the UTA game but didn't get a lot of discussion. Would you say Bean has a better chance of making it in the NBA than the Collinsworth kid that played at BYU a few years ago? That kid was the WCC player of the year and three time all conference player. He set the NCAA record for triple doubles - so he could score, rebound and pass. He is only an inch shorter than Bean and can handle the ball much better. That kid hardly got a sniff in the NBA. I think he made a team as a free agent but didn't play much (I'll have to check on that). Does Bean have a better skill set or bring more to the table than a guy like that?
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I don't remember Collinsworth at all. I don't follow BYU in the slightest. But if the question is does Bean have a chance of playing in the NBA? No. I don't think so. It's not because he can't; he won't get the opportunity.Yossarian wrote: ↑November 28th, 2021, 3:28 amI asked this in chat during the UTA game but didn't get a lot of discussion. Would you say Bean has a better chance of making it in the NBA than the Collinsworth kid that played at BYU a few years ago? That kid was the WCC player of the year and three time all conference player. He set the NCAA record for triple doubles - so he could score, rebound and pass. He is only an inch shorter than Bean and can handle the ball much better. That kid hardly got a sniff in the NBA. I think he made a team as a free agent but didn't play much (I'll have to check on that). Does Bean have a better skill set or bring more to the table than a guy like that?
Bean will get invited to a training camp and that's about it.
Merrill and Queta require less of an open mind than Bean and they are barely getting a chance.
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Re: Bean in the NBA
To make it in the NBA at Bean’s age is really hard to do. I think he’ll either grad transfer to an elite academic school or go play pro in europe after this year.
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Bean could be a Brian Cardinal like NBA player. Rebounding and hustling. But I think his age and the fact that NBA teams barely go after offensive rebounds, so you have to be an elite defender or shooter at Beans size.
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Bean will be a fine European player. A potential fan favorite with his ukulele skills
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Man, a lot of Debbie downers on this board! The high demand for utility-type players in the NBA will get him drafted or at least a two-way contract. Think Eric Paschall, Duncan Robinson, Jay Crowder, etc.
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I can’t believe we are even talking about having another Aggie drafted. After the drought we have had, it is quite incredible this is even being discussed.
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Re: Bean in the NBA
You guys remember Markelle Fultz? His shooting form was quite an adventure.
I remember those free throws against the Jazz. I couldn't believe my eyes. Watch to the end of the video for the "pump fake" free throws.
I remember those free throws against the Jazz. I couldn't believe my eyes. Watch to the end of the video for the "pump fake" free throws.
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Re: Bean in the NBA
Short answer: no.Yossarian wrote: ↑November 28th, 2021, 3:28 amI asked this in chat during the UTA game but didn't get a lot of discussion. Would you say Bean has a better chance of making it in the NBA than the Collinsworth kid that played at BYU a few years ago? That kid was the WCC player of the year and three time all conference player. He set the NCAA record for triple doubles - so he could score, rebound and pass. He is only an inch shorter than Bean and can handle the ball much better. That kid hardly got a sniff in the NBA. I think he made a team as a free agent but didn't play much (I'll have to check on that). Does Bean have a better skill set or bring more to the table than a guy like that?
Longer answer: absolutely not.
Bean will have a good professional basketball career, but has virtually no chance in the NBA. He might get a training camp invite, but won't get drafted.
I watch a lot of NBA basketball. It is a different game than the college game, and a different skill set is required. He is probably too old to be drafted at all, and to stick in the NBA, you have to have at least one (preferably 2) elite skills. While he is pretty good at everything, he doesn't really have an elite skill other than rebounding. And while rebounding tends to translate well to the NBA, it is becoming much less important -than it used to be, and much less important than it is in the college game. Most teams just concede the rebound on a missed shot and try to get back on defense in transition. That is because NBA offenses are designed to get baskets in transition first, and then if that doesn't work, either work in isolation or ball movement for an open 3. They use extreme athletic ability to their advantage.
I hate the "compare white guys to other white guys" tendency, I feel like to stick in the NBA, Bean would have to have a Joe Ingles skillset - good ball handler, adequate defender, and world-class shooter. They are about the same size. While Bean has shown improved range this year, I don't see him becoming a knock-down NBA 3 point shooter anytime soon. And let's not kid ourselves. Joe Ingles is a much, much better player than Justin Bean. That shooting form is OK in college, but rare is the guy in the NBA with bad shooting form. Everyone points to Shawn Marion, but he is the exception - and was a freak athlete. Bean is a decent athlete, but probably isn't bouncy enough. He can't really create his own shot, and isn't a great ball-handler. NBA defenders will block that low-trajectory shot because they won't have to respect him off the bounce.
Most important attributes for an NBA player (in order - my opinion)
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability)
2. Shooting
3. Length
4. Ball Handling
5. Size
6. Defense
Bean is below average for an NBA athlete, is a below-average long-range shooter, has average length, is a below-average ball handler, and has average size. I am not sure he will be an above average defender in the NBA either.
I don't mean to crap on Bean. I love him in an Aggie uniform. He is a very good college player, but doesn't really project to the NBA. There are a lot of guys like that every year. Just my opinion.
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Re: Bean in the NBA
I would agree - on all points. Well stated.Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 9:52 amShort answer: no.Yossarian wrote: ↑November 28th, 2021, 3:28 amI asked this in chat during the UTA game but didn't get a lot of discussion. Would you say Bean has a better chance of making it in the NBA than the Collinsworth kid that played at BYU a few years ago? That kid was the WCC player of the year and three time all conference player. He set the NCAA record for triple doubles - so he could score, rebound and pass. He is only an inch shorter than Bean and can handle the ball much better. That kid hardly got a sniff in the NBA. I think he made a team as a free agent but didn't play much (I'll have to check on that). Does Bean have a better skill set or bring more to the table than a guy like that?
Longer answer: absolutely not.
Bean will have a good professional basketball career, but has virtually no chance in the NBA. He might get a training camp invite, but won't get drafted.
I watch a lot of NBA basketball. It is a different game than the college game, and a different skill set is required. He is probably too old to be drafted at all, and to stick in the NBA, you have to have at least one (preferably 2) elite skills. While he is pretty good at everything, he doesn't really have an elite skill other than rebounding. And while rebounding tends to translate well to the NBA, it is becoming much less important -than it used to be, and much less important than it is in the college game. Most teams just concede the rebound on a missed shot and try to get back on defense in transition. That is because NBA offenses are designed to get baskets in transition first, and then if that doesn't work, either work in isolation or ball movement for an open 3. They use extreme athletic ability to their advantage.
I hate the "compare white guys to other white guys" tendency, I feel like to stick in the NBA, Bean would have to have a Joe Ingles skillset - good ball handler, adequate defender, and world-class shooter. They are about the same size. While Bean has shown improved range this year, I don't see him becoming a knock-down NBA 3 point shooter anytime soon. And let's not kid ourselves. Joe Ingles is a much, much better player than Justin Bean. That shooting form is OK in college, but rare is the guy in the NBA with bad shooting form. Everyone points to Shawn Marion, but he is the exception - and was a freak athlete. Bean is a decent athlete, but probably isn't bouncy enough. He can't really create his own shot, and isn't a great ball-handler. NBA defenders will block that low-trajectory shot because they won't have to respect him off the bounce.
Most important attributes for an NBA player (in order - my opinion)
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability)
2. Shooting
3. Length
4. Ball Handling
5. Size
6. Defense
Bean is below average for an NBA athlete, is a below-average long-range shooter, has average length, is a below-average ball handler, and has average size. I am not sure he will be an above average defender in the NBA either.
I don't mean to crap on Bean. I love him in an Aggie uniform. He is a very good college player, but doesn't really project to the NBA. There are a lot of guys like that every year. Just my opinion.
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Re: Bean in the NBA
Also, one other point on the rebounding. The reason it is becoming less important is because most teams are taking an analytics-driven approach. The analytics say that it is statistically better on a points gained basis to concede the rebound and get back to stop the transition offense.Yossarian wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 10:07 amI would agree - on all points. Well stated.Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 9:52 amShort answer: no.Yossarian wrote: ↑November 28th, 2021, 3:28 amI asked this in chat during the UTA game but didn't get a lot of discussion. Would you say Bean has a better chance of making it in the NBA than the Collinsworth kid that played at BYU a few years ago? That kid was the WCC player of the year and three time all conference player. He set the NCAA record for triple doubles - so he could score, rebound and pass. He is only an inch shorter than Bean and can handle the ball much better. That kid hardly got a sniff in the NBA. I think he made a team as a free agent but didn't play much (I'll have to check on that). Does Bean have a better skill set or bring more to the table than a guy like that?
Longer answer: absolutely not.
Bean will have a good professional basketball career, but has virtually no chance in the NBA. He might get a training camp invite, but won't get drafted.
I watch a lot of NBA basketball. It is a different game than the college game, and a different skill set is required. He is probably too old to be drafted at all, and to stick in the NBA, you have to have at least one (preferably 2) elite skills. While he is pretty good at everything, he doesn't really have an elite skill other than rebounding. And while rebounding tends to translate well to the NBA, it is becoming much less important -than it used to be, and much less important than it is in the college game. Most teams just concede the rebound on a missed shot and try to get back on defense in transition. That is because NBA offenses are designed to get baskets in transition first, and then if that doesn't work, either work in isolation or ball movement for an open 3. They use extreme athletic ability to their advantage.
I hate the "compare white guys to other white guys" tendency, I feel like to stick in the NBA, Bean would have to have a Joe Ingles skillset - good ball handler, adequate defender, and world-class shooter. They are about the same size. While Bean has shown improved range this year, I don't see him becoming a knock-down NBA 3 point shooter anytime soon. And let's not kid ourselves. Joe Ingles is a much, much better player than Justin Bean. That shooting form is OK in college, but rare is the guy in the NBA with bad shooting form. Everyone points to Shawn Marion, but he is the exception - and was a freak athlete. Bean is a decent athlete, but probably isn't bouncy enough. He can't really create his own shot, and isn't a great ball-handler. NBA defenders will block that low-trajectory shot because they won't have to respect him off the bounce.
Most important attributes for an NBA player (in order - my opinion)
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability)
2. Shooting
3. Length
4. Ball Handling
5. Size
6. Defense
Bean is below average for an NBA athlete, is a below-average long-range shooter, has average length, is a below-average ball handler, and has average size. I am not sure he will be an above average defender in the NBA either.
I don't mean to crap on Bean. I love him in an Aggie uniform. He is a very good college player, but doesn't really project to the NBA. There are a lot of guys like that every year. Just my opinion.
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Re: Bean in the NBA
Rebounding translates to any level but as you have pointed out the devaluing of offensive rebounding is the biggest strike against Bean. Honestly if his 3 pt shot is there along with the rest of his skill set he could make an NBA squad if he proves to be an elite defender. However, my observations are that he is above average but not to that level. The improvements he has made this year should translate into a long and prosperous European Career.Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 10:21 amAlso, one other point on the rebounding. The reason it is becoming less important is because most teams are taking an analytics-driven approach. The analytics say that it is statistically better on a points gained basis to concede the rebound and get back to stop the transition offense.Yossarian wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 10:07 amI would agree - on all points. Well stated.Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 9:52 amShort answer: no.Yossarian wrote: ↑November 28th, 2021, 3:28 amI asked this in chat during the UTA game but didn't get a lot of discussion. Would you say Bean has a better chance of making it in the NBA than the Collinsworth kid that played at BYU a few years ago? That kid was the WCC player of the year and three time all conference player. He set the NCAA record for triple doubles - so he could score, rebound and pass. He is only an inch shorter than Bean and can handle the ball much better. That kid hardly got a sniff in the NBA. I think he made a team as a free agent but didn't play much (I'll have to check on that). Does Bean have a better skill set or bring more to the table than a guy like that?
Longer answer: absolutely not.
Bean will have a good professional basketball career, but has virtually no chance in the NBA. He might get a training camp invite, but won't get drafted.
I watch a lot of NBA basketball. It is a different game than the college game, and a different skill set is required. He is probably too old to be drafted at all, and to stick in the NBA, you have to have at least one (preferably 2) elite skills. While he is pretty good at everything, he doesn't really have an elite skill other than rebounding. And while rebounding tends to translate well to the NBA, it is becoming much less important -than it used to be, and much less important than it is in the college game. Most teams just concede the rebound on a missed shot and try to get back on defense in transition. That is because NBA offenses are designed to get baskets in transition first, and then if that doesn't work, either work in isolation or ball movement for an open 3. They use extreme athletic ability to their advantage.
I hate the "compare white guys to other white guys" tendency, I feel like to stick in the NBA, Bean would have to have a Joe Ingles skillset - good ball handler, adequate defender, and world-class shooter. They are about the same size. While Bean has shown improved range this year, I don't see him becoming a knock-down NBA 3 point shooter anytime soon. And let's not kid ourselves. Joe Ingles is a much, much better player than Justin Bean. That shooting form is OK in college, but rare is the guy in the NBA with bad shooting form. Everyone points to Shawn Marion, but he is the exception - and was a freak athlete. Bean is a decent athlete, but probably isn't bouncy enough. He can't really create his own shot, and isn't a great ball-handler. NBA defenders will block that low-trajectory shot because they won't have to respect him off the bounce.
Most important attributes for an NBA player (in order - my opinion)
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability)
2. Shooting
3. Length
4. Ball Handling
5. Size
6. Defense
Bean is below average for an NBA athlete, is a below-average long-range shooter, has average length, is a below-average ball handler, and has average size. I am not sure he will be an above average defender in the NBA either.
I don't mean to crap on Bean. I love him in an Aggie uniform. He is a very good college player, but doesn't really project to the NBA. There are a lot of guys like that every year. Just my opinion.
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Re: Bean in the NBA
I generally agree with the general points made about what NBA teams value in terms of player metrics and production. I also agree with the assessment of Bean's current level of ability of play. He definitely isn't Joe Ingles. You are wrong however, and respectfully disagree that NBA teams don't value offensive rebounding. look at the stats.hickaggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 10:59 amRebounding translates to any level but as you have pointed out the devaluing of offensive rebounding is the biggest strike against Bean. Honestly if his 3 pt shot is there along with the rest of his skill set he could make an NBA squad if he proves to be an elite defender. However, my observations are that he is above average but not to that level. The improvements he has made this year should translate into a long and prosperous European Career.Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 10:21 amAlso, one other point on the rebounding. The reason it is becoming less important is because most teams are taking an analytics-driven approach. The analytics say that it is statistically better on a points gained basis to concede the rebound and get back to stop the transition offense.Yossarian wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 10:07 amI would agree - on all points. Well stated.Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 9:52 amShort answer: no.Yossarian wrote: ↑November 28th, 2021, 3:28 amI asked this in chat during the UTA game but didn't get a lot of discussion. Would you say Bean has a better chance of making it in the NBA than the Collinsworth kid that played at BYU a few years ago? That kid was the WCC player of the year and three time all conference player. He set the NCAA record for triple doubles - so he could score, rebound and pass. He is only an inch shorter than Bean and can handle the ball much better. That kid hardly got a sniff in the NBA. I think he made a team as a free agent but didn't play much (I'll have to check on that). Does Bean have a better skill set or bring more to the table than a guy like that?
Longer answer: absolutely not.
Bean will have a good professional basketball career, but has virtually no chance in the NBA. He might get a training camp invite, but won't get drafted.
I watch a lot of NBA basketball. It is a different game than the college game, and a different skill set is required. He is probably too old to be drafted at all, and to stick in the NBA, you have to have at least one (preferably 2) elite skills. While he is pretty good at everything, he doesn't really have an elite skill other than rebounding. And while rebounding tends to translate well to the NBA, it is becoming much less important -than it used to be, and much less important than it is in the college game. Most teams just concede the rebound on a missed shot and try to get back on defense in transition. That is because NBA offenses are designed to get baskets in transition first, and then if that doesn't work, either work in isolation or ball movement for an open 3. They use extreme athletic ability to their advantage.
I hate the "compare white guys to other white guys" tendency, I feel like to stick in the NBA, Bean would have to have a Joe Ingles skillset - good ball handler, adequate defender, and world-class shooter. They are about the same size. While Bean has shown improved range this year, I don't see him becoming a knock-down NBA 3 point shooter anytime soon. And let's not kid ourselves. Joe Ingles is a much, much better player than Justin Bean. That shooting form is OK in college, but rare is the guy in the NBA with bad shooting form. Everyone points to Shawn Marion, but he is the exception - and was a freak athlete. Bean is a decent athlete, but probably isn't bouncy enough. He can't really create his own shot, and isn't a great ball-handler. NBA defenders will block that low-trajectory shot because they won't have to respect him off the bounce.
Most important attributes for an NBA player (in order - my opinion)
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability)
2. Shooting
3. Length
4. Ball Handling
5. Size
6. Defense
Bean is below average for an NBA athlete, is a below-average long-range shooter, has average length, is a below-average ball handler, and has average size. I am not sure he will be an above average defender in the NBA either.
I don't mean to crap on Bean. I love him in an Aggie uniform. He is a very good college player, but doesn't really project to the NBA. There are a lot of guys like that every year. Just my opinion.
These teams clearly value offensive rebounds.
As you look at the overall rebounding metrics see this ..
I think Bean has a chance at late second round, and sticking with a team as a bench role player. However, as mentioned in the thread it's very real possibility he could make more $$ playing overseas as a starter and potential allstar of one of those Euroleagues.
For Bean to make an impact in the NBA he needs to continue to develop his jump shot, because let's face it 90% of the players who are in the NBA have PG skills at the 3 spot which is who Bean would matchup against. Clearly he's not an NBA starter level talent. He would have to be 15 min game guy off the bench and push the envelope in hustle plays, and be a rebounding monster.
I think overall... since the metrics are much much tighter on total rebounding, the assertion that Generally rebounding is not as highly valued would apply to 75% of the teams. It only takes one team of the other 25% who say, yeah lets' take a chance on this Bean kid. Let's see if having him in the mix of our team with his effort and hustle, rebounding fits with our guys on the floor.
If I had to bet $$ though, I'd say he'd make more money overseas long-term. However, I really do hope it works out in his favor, and one of these teams takes a chance on him.
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I disagree. He may not get drafted, but he has a far better chance to play in the NBA than you give him credit for. Looking at your criteria:Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 9:52 amShort answer: no.Yossarian wrote: ↑November 28th, 2021, 3:28 amI asked this in chat during the UTA game but didn't get a lot of discussion. Would you say Bean has a better chance of making it in the NBA than the Collinsworth kid that played at BYU a few years ago? That kid was the WCC player of the year and three time all conference player. He set the NCAA record for triple doubles - so he could score, rebound and pass. He is only an inch shorter than Bean and can handle the ball much better. That kid hardly got a sniff in the NBA. I think he made a team as a free agent but didn't play much (I'll have to check on that). Does Bean have a better skill set or bring more to the table than a guy like that?
Longer answer: absolutely not.
Bean will have a good professional basketball career, but has virtually no chance in the NBA. He might get a training camp invite, but won't get drafted.
I watch a lot of NBA basketball. It is a different game than the college game, and a different skill set is required. He is probably too old to be drafted at all, and to stick in the NBA, you have to have at least one (preferably 2) elite skills. While he is pretty good at everything, he doesn't really have an elite skill other than rebounding. And while rebounding tends to translate well to the NBA, it is becoming much less important -than it used to be, and much less important than it is in the college game. Most teams just concede the rebound on a missed shot and try to get back on defense in transition. That is because NBA offenses are designed to get baskets in transition first, and then if that doesn't work, either work in isolation or ball movement for an open 3. They use extreme athletic ability to their advantage.
I hate the "compare white guys to other white guys" tendency, I feel like to stick in the NBA, Bean would have to have a Joe Ingles skillset - good ball handler, adequate defender, and world-class shooter. They are about the same size. While Bean has shown improved range this year, I don't see him becoming a knock-down NBA 3 point shooter anytime soon. And let's not kid ourselves. Joe Ingles is a much, much better player than Justin Bean. That shooting form is OK in college, but rare is the guy in the NBA with bad shooting form. Everyone points to Shawn Marion, but he is the exception - and was a freak athlete. Bean is a decent athlete, but probably isn't bouncy enough. He can't really create his own shot, and isn't a great ball-handler. NBA defenders will block that low-trajectory shot because they won't have to respect him off the bounce.
Most important attributes for an NBA player (in order - my opinion)
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability)
2. Shooting
3. Length
4. Ball Handling
5. Size
6. Defense
Bean is below average for an NBA athlete, is a below-average long-range shooter, has average length, is a below-average ball handler, and has average size. I am not sure he will be an above average defender in the NBA either.
I don't mean to crap on Bean. I love him in an Aggie uniform. He is a very good college player, but doesn't really project to the NBA. There are a lot of guys like that every year. Just my opinion.
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability) - Bean is an elite athlete! You have your "white guy" blinders on if you think otherwise. He will test far better than people realize and his elite athleticism is why he's able to do the things he does at such a high level (out-rebound, blow by guys on cuts, etc.)
2. Shooting - deadly in the mid-range, decent enough from 3 (58.8% this year so far, will likely be above 40% by the end of the year). Is also a career 80% FT shooter.
3. Length - Again will probably test well here. He consistently out-reaches guys for loose balls and high-pointing rebounds.
4. Ball Handling - good enough for his position.
5. Size - Good height for an NBA 3 but will likely be a rangy 4. Versatile, athletic 6'6''-6'8" PF are the in-vouge in the NBA. That said, he'll still need to put on some more muscle mass, which I'm confident he'll do.
6. Defense - Elite one on one defender and has quick feet. He is constantly helping other teammates when they get blown by (aka Brock Miller). He is also great at boding up a bigger guys and holds his ground without fouling.
Face it, another Aggie will be joining the NBA ranks next season
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Well said. The bottom line is he has a unique skill set. Intrigue alone will get him to an NBA camp and maybe even a second-round look.LoveMyAggies wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 12:58 pmI generally agree with the general points made about what NBA teams value in terms of player metrics and production. I also agree with the assessment of Bean's current level of ability of play. He definitely isn't Joe Ingles. You are wrong however, and respectfully disagree that NBA teams don't value offensive rebounding. look at the stats.hickaggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 10:59 amRebounding translates to any level but as you have pointed out the devaluing of offensive rebounding is the biggest strike against Bean. Honestly if his 3 pt shot is there along with the rest of his skill set he could make an NBA squad if he proves to be an elite defender. However, my observations are that he is above average but not to that level. The improvements he has made this year should translate into a long and prosperous European Career.Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 10:21 amAlso, one other point on the rebounding. The reason it is becoming less important is because most teams are taking an analytics-driven approach. The analytics say that it is statistically better on a points gained basis to concede the rebound and get back to stop the transition offense.Yossarian wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 10:07 amI would agree - on all points. Well stated.Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 9:52 amShort answer: no.Yossarian wrote: ↑November 28th, 2021, 3:28 amI asked this in chat during the UTA game but didn't get a lot of discussion. Would you say Bean has a better chance of making it in the NBA than the Collinsworth kid that played at BYU a few years ago? That kid was the WCC player of the year and three time all conference player. He set the NCAA record for triple doubles - so he could score, rebound and pass. He is only an inch shorter than Bean and can handle the ball much better. That kid hardly got a sniff in the NBA. I think he made a team as a free agent but didn't play much (I'll have to check on that). Does Bean have a better skill set or bring more to the table than a guy like that?
Longer answer: absolutely not.
Bean will have a good professional basketball career, but has virtually no chance in the NBA. He might get a training camp invite, but won't get drafted.
I watch a lot of NBA basketball. It is a different game than the college game, and a different skill set is required. He is probably too old to be drafted at all, and to stick in the NBA, you have to have at least one (preferably 2) elite skills. While he is pretty good at everything, he doesn't really have an elite skill other than rebounding. And while rebounding tends to translate well to the NBA, it is becoming much less important -than it used to be, and much less important than it is in the college game. Most teams just concede the rebound on a missed shot and try to get back on defense in transition. That is because NBA offenses are designed to get baskets in transition first, and then if that doesn't work, either work in isolation or ball movement for an open 3. They use extreme athletic ability to their advantage.
I hate the "compare white guys to other white guys" tendency, I feel like to stick in the NBA, Bean would have to have a Joe Ingles skillset - good ball handler, adequate defender, and world-class shooter. They are about the same size. While Bean has shown improved range this year, I don't see him becoming a knock-down NBA 3 point shooter anytime soon. And let's not kid ourselves. Joe Ingles is a much, much better player than Justin Bean. That shooting form is OK in college, but rare is the guy in the NBA with bad shooting form. Everyone points to Shawn Marion, but he is the exception - and was a freak athlete. Bean is a decent athlete, but probably isn't bouncy enough. He can't really create his own shot, and isn't a great ball-handler. NBA defenders will block that low-trajectory shot because they won't have to respect him off the bounce.
Most important attributes for an NBA player (in order - my opinion)
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability)
2. Shooting
3. Length
4. Ball Handling
5. Size
6. Defense
Bean is below average for an NBA athlete, is a below-average long-range shooter, has average length, is a below-average ball handler, and has average size. I am not sure he will be an above average defender in the NBA either.
I don't mean to crap on Bean. I love him in an Aggie uniform. He is a very good college player, but doesn't really project to the NBA. There are a lot of guys like that every year. Just my opinion.
These teams clearly value offensive rebounds.
As you look at the overall rebounding metrics see this ..
I think Bean has a chance at late second round, and sticking with a team as a bench role player. However, as mentioned in the thread it's very real possibility he could make more $$ playing overseas as a starter and potential allstar of one of those Euroleagues.
For Bean to make an impact in the NBA he needs to continue to develop his jump shot, because let's face it 90% of the players who are in the NBA have PG skills at the 3 spot which is who Bean would matchup against. Clearly he's not an NBA starter level talent. He would have to be 15 min game guy off the bench and push the envelope in hustle plays, and be a rebounding monster.
I think overall... since the metrics are much much tighter on total rebounding, the assertion that Generally rebounding is not as highly valued would apply to 75% of the teams. It only takes one team of the other 25% who say, yeah lets' take a chance on this Bean kid. Let's see if having him in the mix of our team with his effort and hustle, rebounding fits with our guys on the floor.
If I had to bet $$ though, I'd say he'd make more money overseas long-term. However, I really do hope it works out in his favor, and one of these teams takes a chance on him.
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I think you might have blue goggles on, my friend. NBA level athleticism jumps out at you at the college level and is obvious. Bean is pretty athletic. But he definitely isn't elite by NBA standards. He stands out a bit athletically amongst his teammates, but well, that isn't exactly surprising if you know what I mean.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 1:03 pmI disagree. He may not get drafted, but he has a far better chance to play in the NBA than you give him credit for. Looking at your criteria:Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 9:52 amShort answer: no.Yossarian wrote: ↑November 28th, 2021, 3:28 amI asked this in chat during the UTA game but didn't get a lot of discussion. Would you say Bean has a better chance of making it in the NBA than the Collinsworth kid that played at BYU a few years ago? That kid was the WCC player of the year and three time all conference player. He set the NCAA record for triple doubles - so he could score, rebound and pass. He is only an inch shorter than Bean and can handle the ball much better. That kid hardly got a sniff in the NBA. I think he made a team as a free agent but didn't play much (I'll have to check on that). Does Bean have a better skill set or bring more to the table than a guy like that?
Longer answer: absolutely not.
Bean will have a good professional basketball career, but has virtually no chance in the NBA. He might get a training camp invite, but won't get drafted.
I watch a lot of NBA basketball. It is a different game than the college game, and a different skill set is required. He is probably too old to be drafted at all, and to stick in the NBA, you have to have at least one (preferably 2) elite skills. While he is pretty good at everything, he doesn't really have an elite skill other than rebounding. And while rebounding tends to translate well to the NBA, it is becoming much less important -than it used to be, and much less important than it is in the college game. Most teams just concede the rebound on a missed shot and try to get back on defense in transition. That is because NBA offenses are designed to get baskets in transition first, and then if that doesn't work, either work in isolation or ball movement for an open 3. They use extreme athletic ability to their advantage.
I hate the "compare white guys to other white guys" tendency, I feel like to stick in the NBA, Bean would have to have a Joe Ingles skillset - good ball handler, adequate defender, and world-class shooter. They are about the same size. While Bean has shown improved range this year, I don't see him becoming a knock-down NBA 3 point shooter anytime soon. And let's not kid ourselves. Joe Ingles is a much, much better player than Justin Bean. That shooting form is OK in college, but rare is the guy in the NBA with bad shooting form. Everyone points to Shawn Marion, but he is the exception - and was a freak athlete. Bean is a decent athlete, but probably isn't bouncy enough. He can't really create his own shot, and isn't a great ball-handler. NBA defenders will block that low-trajectory shot because they won't have to respect him off the bounce.
Most important attributes for an NBA player (in order - my opinion)
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability)
2. Shooting
3. Length
4. Ball Handling
5. Size
6. Defense
Bean is below average for an NBA athlete, is a below-average long-range shooter, has average length, is a below-average ball handler, and has average size. I am not sure he will be an above average defender in the NBA either.
I don't mean to crap on Bean. I love him in an Aggie uniform. He is a very good college player, but doesn't really project to the NBA. There are a lot of guys like that every year. Just my opinion.
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability) - Bean is an elite athlete! You have your "white guy" blinders on if you think otherwise. He will test far better than people realize and his elite athleticism is why he's able to do the things he does at such a high level (out-rebound, blow by guys on cuts, etc.)
2. Shooting - deadly in the mid-range, decent enough from 3 (58.8% this year so far, will likely be above 40% by the end of the year). Is also a career 80% FT shooter.
3. Length - Again will probably test well here. He consistently out-reaches guys for loose balls and high-pointing rebounds.
4. Ball Handling - good enough for his position.
5. Size - Good height for an NBA 3 but will likely be a rangy 4. Versatile, athletic 6'6''-6'8" PF are the in-vouge in the NBA. That said, he'll still need to put on some more muscle mass, which I'm confident he'll do.
6. Defense - Elite one on one defender and has quick feet. He is constantly helping other teammates when they get blown by (aka Brock Miller). He is also great at boding up a bigger guys and holds his ground without fouling.
Face it, another Aggie will be joining the NBA ranks next season
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His matchup with Keegan Murray should be interesting. Murray is looking like a potential top ten pick.
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This^OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 1:03 pmI disagree. He may not get drafted, but he has a far better chance to play in the NBA than you give him credit for. Looking at your criteria:Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 9:52 amShort answer: no.Yossarian wrote: ↑November 28th, 2021, 3:28 amI asked this in chat during the UTA game but didn't get a lot of discussion. Would you say Bean has a better chance of making it in the NBA than the Collinsworth kid that played at BYU a few years ago? That kid was the WCC player of the year and three time all conference player. He set the NCAA record for triple doubles - so he could score, rebound and pass. He is only an inch shorter than Bean and can handle the ball much better. That kid hardly got a sniff in the NBA. I think he made a team as a free agent but didn't play much (I'll have to check on that). Does Bean have a better skill set or bring more to the table than a guy like that?
Longer answer: absolutely not.
Bean will have a good professional basketball career, but has virtually no chance in the NBA. He might get a training camp invite, but won't get drafted.
I watch a lot of NBA basketball. It is a different game than the college game, and a different skill set is required. He is probably too old to be drafted at all, and to stick in the NBA, you have to have at least one (preferably 2) elite skills. While he is pretty good at everything, he doesn't really have an elite skill other than rebounding. And while rebounding tends to translate well to the NBA, it is becoming much less important -than it used to be, and much less important than it is in the college game. Most teams just concede the rebound on a missed shot and try to get back on defense in transition. That is because NBA offenses are designed to get baskets in transition first, and then if that doesn't work, either work in isolation or ball movement for an open 3. They use extreme athletic ability to their advantage.
I hate the "compare white guys to other white guys" tendency, I feel like to stick in the NBA, Bean would have to have a Joe Ingles skillset - good ball handler, adequate defender, and world-class shooter. They are about the same size. While Bean has shown improved range this year, I don't see him becoming a knock-down NBA 3 point shooter anytime soon. And let's not kid ourselves. Joe Ingles is a much, much better player than Justin Bean. That shooting form is OK in college, but rare is the guy in the NBA with bad shooting form. Everyone points to Shawn Marion, but he is the exception - and was a freak athlete. Bean is a decent athlete, but probably isn't bouncy enough. He can't really create his own shot, and isn't a great ball-handler. NBA defenders will block that low-trajectory shot because they won't have to respect him off the bounce.
Most important attributes for an NBA player (in order - my opinion)
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability)
2. Shooting
3. Length
4. Ball Handling
5. Size
6. Defense
Bean is below average for an NBA athlete, is a below-average long-range shooter, has average length, is a below-average ball handler, and has average size. I am not sure he will be an above average defender in the NBA either.
I don't mean to crap on Bean. I love him in an Aggie uniform. He is a very good college player, but doesn't really project to the NBA. There are a lot of guys like that every year. Just my opinion.
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability) - Bean is an elite athlete! You have your "white guy" blinders on if you think otherwise. He will test far better than people realize and his elite athleticism is why he's able to do the things he does at such a high level (out-rebound, blow by guys on cuts, etc.)
2. Shooting - deadly in the mid-range, decent enough from 3 (58.8% this year so far, will likely be above 40% by the end of the year). Is also a career 80% FT shooter.
3. Length - Again will probably test well here. He consistently out-reaches guys for loose balls and high-pointing rebounds.
4. Ball Handling - good enough for his position.
5. Size - Good height for an NBA 3 but will likely be a rangy 4. Versatile, athletic 6'6''-6'8" PF are the in-vouge in the NBA. That said, he'll still need to put on some more muscle mass, which I'm confident he'll do.
6. Defense - Elite one on one defender and has quick feet. He is constantly helping other teammates when they get blown by (aka Brock Miller). He is also great at boding up a bigger guys and holds his ground without fouling.
Face it, another Aggie will be joining the NBA ranks next season
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This what?Aggie in Boise wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 3:39 pmThis^OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 1:03 pmI disagree. He may not get drafted, but he has a far better chance to play in the NBA than you give him credit for. Looking at your criteria:Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 9:52 amShort answer: no.Yossarian wrote: ↑November 28th, 2021, 3:28 amI asked this in chat during the UTA game but didn't get a lot of discussion. Would you say Bean has a better chance of making it in the NBA than the Collinsworth kid that played at BYU a few years ago? That kid was the WCC player of the year and three time all conference player. He set the NCAA record for triple doubles - so he could score, rebound and pass. He is only an inch shorter than Bean and can handle the ball much better. That kid hardly got a sniff in the NBA. I think he made a team as a free agent but didn't play much (I'll have to check on that). Does Bean have a better skill set or bring more to the table than a guy like that?
Longer answer: absolutely not.
Bean will have a good professional basketball career, but has virtually no chance in the NBA. He might get a training camp invite, but won't get drafted.
I watch a lot of NBA basketball. It is a different game than the college game, and a different skill set is required. He is probably too old to be drafted at all, and to stick in the NBA, you have to have at least one (preferably 2) elite skills. While he is pretty good at everything, he doesn't really have an elite skill other than rebounding. And while rebounding tends to translate well to the NBA, it is becoming much less important -than it used to be, and much less important than it is in the college game. Most teams just concede the rebound on a missed shot and try to get back on defense in transition. That is because NBA offenses are designed to get baskets in transition first, and then if that doesn't work, either work in isolation or ball movement for an open 3. They use extreme athletic ability to their advantage.
I hate the "compare white guys to other white guys" tendency, I feel like to stick in the NBA, Bean would have to have a Joe Ingles skillset - good ball handler, adequate defender, and world-class shooter. They are about the same size. While Bean has shown improved range this year, I don't see him becoming a knock-down NBA 3 point shooter anytime soon. And let's not kid ourselves. Joe Ingles is a much, much better player than Justin Bean. That shooting form is OK in college, but rare is the guy in the NBA with bad shooting form. Everyone points to Shawn Marion, but he is the exception - and was a freak athlete. Bean is a decent athlete, but probably isn't bouncy enough. He can't really create his own shot, and isn't a great ball-handler. NBA defenders will block that low-trajectory shot because they won't have to respect him off the bounce.
Most important attributes for an NBA player (in order - my opinion)
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability)
2. Shooting
3. Length
4. Ball Handling
5. Size
6. Defense
Bean is below average for an NBA athlete, is a below-average long-range shooter, has average length, is a below-average ball handler, and has average size. I am not sure he will be an above average defender in the NBA either.
I don't mean to crap on Bean. I love him in an Aggie uniform. He is a very good college player, but doesn't really project to the NBA. There are a lot of guys like that every year. Just my opinion.
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability) - Bean is an elite athlete! You have your "white guy" blinders on if you think otherwise. He will test far better than people realize and his elite athleticism is why he's able to do the things he does at such a high level (out-rebound, blow by guys on cuts, etc.)
2. Shooting - deadly in the mid-range, decent enough from 3 (58.8% this year so far, will likely be above 40% by the end of the year). Is also a career 80% FT shooter.
3. Length - Again will probably test well here. He consistently out-reaches guys for loose balls and high-pointing rebounds.
4. Ball Handling - good enough for his position.
5. Size - Good height for an NBA 3 but will likely be a rangy 4. Versatile, athletic 6'6''-6'8" PF are the in-vouge in the NBA. That said, he'll still need to put on some more muscle mass, which I'm confident he'll do.
6. Defense - Elite one on one defender and has quick feet. He is constantly helping other teammates when they get blown by (aka Brock Miller). He is also great at boding up a bigger guys and holds his ground without fouling.
Face it, another Aggie will be joining the NBA ranks next season
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Justin Bean reminds me of Paul Milsap coming out of college. I believe that Paul is 6'7" and had one NBA skill, he could rebound. Same, I believe goes for one Dennis Rodman, love him or hate him. I think that Justin just needs the right team to draft him and a coach that values a particular skill set. The Jazz drafted Paul and Jerry Sloan loved that he went after every rebound. (Playing time) Justin, much like Paul, will improve his game with better coaching and increased competition. A team like the Clippers would be a good fit for Justin. They like small ball and they don't need another shooter. They need a competitive rebounder. Same goes for Miami, Golden State, Phoenix, maybe Dallas. He's really the next Draymond Green.
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Just because I bleed Aggie blue doesn't mean I'm wrong. Sometimes it's harder to recognize something for what it is when it's sitting right in front of you. I've been an avid NBA fan for 25 years - his athleticism and skills translate.Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 2:02 pmI think you might have blue goggles on, my friend. NBA level athleticism jumps out at you at the college level and is obvious. Bean is pretty athletic. But he definitely isn't elite by NBA standards. He stands out a bit athletically amongst his teammates, but well, that isn't exactly surprising if you know what I mean.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 1:03 pmI disagree. He may not get drafted, but he has a far better chance to play in the NBA than you give him credit for. Looking at your criteria:Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑December 1st, 2021, 9:52 amShort answer: no.Yossarian wrote: ↑November 28th, 2021, 3:28 amI asked this in chat during the UTA game but didn't get a lot of discussion. Would you say Bean has a better chance of making it in the NBA than the Collinsworth kid that played at BYU a few years ago? That kid was the WCC player of the year and three time all conference player. He set the NCAA record for triple doubles - so he could score, rebound and pass. He is only an inch shorter than Bean and can handle the ball much better. That kid hardly got a sniff in the NBA. I think he made a team as a free agent but didn't play much (I'll have to check on that). Does Bean have a better skill set or bring more to the table than a guy like that?
Longer answer: absolutely not.
Bean will have a good professional basketball career, but has virtually no chance in the NBA. He might get a training camp invite, but won't get drafted.
I watch a lot of NBA basketball. It is a different game than the college game, and a different skill set is required. He is probably too old to be drafted at all, and to stick in the NBA, you have to have at least one (preferably 2) elite skills. While he is pretty good at everything, he doesn't really have an elite skill other than rebounding. And while rebounding tends to translate well to the NBA, it is becoming much less important -than it used to be, and much less important than it is in the college game. Most teams just concede the rebound on a missed shot and try to get back on defense in transition. That is because NBA offenses are designed to get baskets in transition first, and then if that doesn't work, either work in isolation or ball movement for an open 3. They use extreme athletic ability to their advantage.
I hate the "compare white guys to other white guys" tendency, I feel like to stick in the NBA, Bean would have to have a Joe Ingles skillset - good ball handler, adequate defender, and world-class shooter. They are about the same size. While Bean has shown improved range this year, I don't see him becoming a knock-down NBA 3 point shooter anytime soon. And let's not kid ourselves. Joe Ingles is a much, much better player than Justin Bean. That shooting form is OK in college, but rare is the guy in the NBA with bad shooting form. Everyone points to Shawn Marion, but he is the exception - and was a freak athlete. Bean is a decent athlete, but probably isn't bouncy enough. He can't really create his own shot, and isn't a great ball-handler. NBA defenders will block that low-trajectory shot because they won't have to respect him off the bounce.
Most important attributes for an NBA player (in order - my opinion)
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability)
2. Shooting
3. Length
4. Ball Handling
5. Size
6. Defense
Bean is below average for an NBA athlete, is a below-average long-range shooter, has average length, is a below-average ball handler, and has average size. I am not sure he will be an above average defender in the NBA either.
I don't mean to crap on Bean. I love him in an Aggie uniform. He is a very good college player, but doesn't really project to the NBA. There are a lot of guys like that every year. Just my opinion.
1. Athleticism (speed and jumping ability) - Bean is an elite athlete! You have your "white guy" blinders on if you think otherwise. He will test far better than people realize and his elite athleticism is why he's able to do the things he does at such a high level (out-rebound, blow by guys on cuts, etc.)
2. Shooting - deadly in the mid-range, decent enough from 3 (58.8% this year so far, will likely be above 40% by the end of the year). Is also a career 80% FT shooter.
3. Length - Again will probably test well here. He consistently out-reaches guys for loose balls and high-pointing rebounds.
4. Ball Handling - good enough for his position.
5. Size - Good height for an NBA 3 but will likely be a rangy 4. Versatile, athletic 6'6''-6'8" PF are the in-vogue in the NBA. That said, he'll still need to put on some more muscle mass, which I'm confident he'll do.
6. Defense - Elite one on one defender and has quick feet. He is constantly helping other teammates when they get blown by (aka Brock Miller). He is also great at boding up bigger guys and holds his ground without fouling.
Face it, another Aggie will be joining the NBA ranks next season