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Post by slcagg » November 25th, 2021, 10:46 am

After some thought wanted to see how we are faring as a conference vs our competition. Obviously just looking at records can be skewed depending on matchup but thought this would be a good tracker considering the early success of the conference:

P6:
Big10: 0-2
Big12: 1-1
BiG east: 2-0
Pac12: 4-6
SEC: 2-0
Total: 9-9


Similar non p6 conferences:
A10: 2-2
AAC: 3-1
Wcc: 10-9
Total: 15-12



Other:
American east: 1-0
Big sky: 7-1
Big west: 8-2
Big south: 1-0
Conf USA: 1-2
Colonial: 1-1
Horizon: 1-0
Ivy: 1-0
MEAC: 1-0
MVC: 1-0
Northeast conf: 1-0
Southland: 3-0
Summit league: 7-2
Sun belt: 3-0
SWAC: 5-0
Patriot Leauge: 2-0
WAC: 7-3
Total: 51-11

Non d1: 6-0


Overall: 81-32

Biggest wins for each team:
Air Force: Tulsa
Boise: Ole miss, temple
Csu: creighton, st Mary’s, Mississippi state
Fresno: Santa Clara, uc irvine
Nevada: Washington, George mason/Pepperdine
New Mexico: Montana state, New Mexico State
San Jose state: Fullerton, northern Colorado/South Dakota, pacific/Portland
San Diego st: Arizona state, georgetown, st Mary’s
Unlv: cal, North Dakota state
Utah state: Oklahoma, Richmond
Wyoming: Grand Canyon, washington, uvu
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Re: MWC OOC

Post by ineptimusprime » November 25th, 2021, 11:01 am

slcagg wrote:
November 25th, 2021, 10:46 am
After some thought wanted to see how we are faring as a conference vs our competition. Obviously just looking at records can be skewed depending on matchup but thought this would be a good tracker considering the early success of the conference:

P6:
Big12: 0-1
BiG east: 1-0
Pac12: 1-1
SEC: 1-0


Similar non p6 conferences:
A10: 1-1
AAC: 2-1
Wcc: 2-3



Other:
Big sky: 3-0
Big west: 1-1
Colonial: 1-0
MEAC: 1-0
MVC: 1-0
Northeast conf: 1-0
Southland: 2-0
Summit league: 2-2
SWAC: 3-0
Patriot Leauge: 1-0
WAC: 1-1


Non d1: 3-0
How can we be 0-1 against the Big 12 when we beat da Sooners?



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Re: MWC OOC

Post by slcagg » November 25th, 2021, 11:07 am

ineptimusprime wrote:
November 25th, 2021, 11:01 am
slcagg wrote:
November 25th, 2021, 10:46 am
After some thought wanted to see how we are faring as a conference vs our competition. Obviously just looking at records can be skewed depending on matchup but thought this would be a good tracker considering the early success of the conference:

P6:
Big12: 0-1
BiG east: 1-0
Pac12: 1-1
SEC: 1-0


Similar non p6 conferences:
A10: 1-1
AAC: 2-1
Wcc: 2-3



Other:
Big sky: 3-0
Big west: 1-1
Colonial: 1-0
MEAC: 1-0
MVC: 1-0
Northeast conf: 1-0
Southland: 2-0
Summit league: 2-2
SWAC: 3-0
Patriot Leauge: 1-0
WAC: 1-1


Non d1: 3-0
How can we be 0-1 against the Big 12 when we beat da Sooners?
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Re: MWC OOC

Post by ineptimusprime » November 25th, 2021, 11:14 am

Conference of champions=MW doormat in basketball and football this year :lol:



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Re: MWC OOC

Post by slcagg » November 25th, 2021, 11:26 am

ineptimusprime wrote:
November 25th, 2021, 11:14 am
Conference of champions=MW doormat in basketball and football this year :lol:
To be fair 3 of those wins are against cal and Washington which both are supposedly not very good this year.



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Re: MWC OOC

Post by slcagg » November 25th, 2021, 7:06 pm

New Mexico took a solid uab team to the end. They are improved. In there starters they have a ku transfer center, a tcu transfer wing, The mashburn kid from Minnesota and the house kid from asu. If they gel they could be very good.



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Post by scotlandog » November 25th, 2021, 7:41 pm

slcagg wrote:New Mexico took a solid uab team to the end. They are improved. In there starters they have a ku transfer center, a tcu transfer wing, The mashburn kid from Minnesota and the house kid from asu. If they gel they could be very good.
Yeah, they had a legit chance at winning that game down the stretch. I think House had a really bad shooting night and forced too many things down the stretch. That center will cause us problems.


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Post by slcagg » November 26th, 2021, 5:52 am

San Diego state blows out Georgetown. Outside of Georgetown being a hat in the mall not sure how great they are. SDSU gets a ranked usc today.



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Post by slcagg » November 28th, 2021, 9:25 pm

Fresno lost to cal tonight. Disappointing loss considering where cal is at. Now at 4-5 vs pac12 (lost 3 straight).
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Post by slcagg » December 1st, 2021, 7:27 am

New Mexico with the nice road win in las cruces last night. I really think New Mexico is improved and will be close to 100 net (last year they were around 300).

And Nevada finally beat a wcc team!

And San Jose wins again! Tim miles might actually win some games there.



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Re: MWC OOC

Post by Roy McAvoy » December 1st, 2021, 7:34 am

That Boise loss to Saint Louis in OT last night was a bummer. They had a shot a the buzzer to win.



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Post by slcagg » December 1st, 2021, 7:59 am

Roy McAvoy wrote:
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That Boise loss to Saint Louis in OT last night was a bummer. They had a shot a the buzzer to win.
Yeah that was the win we needed last night.



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Post by Aggie84025 » December 1st, 2021, 8:07 am

slcagg wrote:
December 1st, 2021, 7:59 am
Roy McAvoy wrote:
December 1st, 2021, 7:34 am
That Boise loss to Saint Louis in OT last night was a bummer. They had a shot a the buzzer to win.
Yeah that was the win we needed last night.
I am in the opposite crowd, anytime Boise and their self centered coach (Rice) lose it is a good day. I hope they lose every game. Certainly it doesn't help the conference, but I could care less.
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Post by scotlandog » December 1st, 2021, 7:59 pm

Oklahoma up 10 on #14 Florida with 3:30 left. That win will be a good one for us.


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Post by scotlandog » December 1st, 2021, 8:11 pm

They pulled it off. Great win! They be will be a Q1 win for us come year end.


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Post by slcagg » December 12th, 2021, 8:30 am

Undefeated day yesterday for the league.

Csu with the nice win against Mississippi state

San Jose wins another against pacific and Alphonso Anderson

Fresno beats what may be the best big west team in Irvine

And Wyoming beats uvu by double digits. Wyomings center is killing it.



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Post by scotlandog » December 24th, 2021, 10:16 am

Now it’s all done..

Average Conference NET: 111.37 (7th)

26 - CSU
33 - WYO
50 - FSU
56 - USU
63 - SDSU
68 - BSU

129 - UNR
142 - UNLV
170 - UNM

227 - SJSU
266 - AFA

All in all, a really good performance. Had some really good wins by each team.
(ALL CAPS indicate best wins of conference)

USU: Richmond, nmsu, OKLAHOMA
CSU: Creighton, ST. MARY’S, MISS ST.
WYO: Grand Canyon, uvu
FSU: Santa Clara
SDSU: ST. MARY’S
BSU: uvu, Santa Clara, WASH ST.
UNR: George Mason
UNLV: Cal
UNM: nmsu
SJSU:
AFA:

We missed a few as a conference we should have had. (Picked games reasonable could have won and bad losses..)

USU:UC Davis and St Marys.
CSU: didn’t play against Alabama.
WYO: lost to Stanford.
FSU: lost to Utah and Cal.
BSU: UCI, ST Bonny, Cal State
UNR: everything in November, Grand Canyon
UNLV: tough call, maybe SMU
UNM: NMSU, UTEP, SMU
SJSU: Pepperdine, Cal Baptist
AFA: South Dakota, Montana, Arky St.


Right now, I would rank the conference as follows based on wins and losses and how I think it will play out.

CSU - good wins, no losses
USU - best win in conference
SDSU - only lost to top40 teams.
WYO - paper tigers?
FSU - one decent win, no bad losses
BSU - struggled early, playing better
UNR - has struggled but has talent
UNLV
UNM
SJSU
AFA


Good job MWC. Now we need the Aggies to dominate all the lower teams (UNR and below) and we need to win all home games and we need to steal at least half of the road games. That would put us at:

Q1: 5-4
Q2: 6-1
Q3: 5-0
Q4: 8-1

I think that gets us in and I think CSU and one other team has risen to the top for an at large bid. I would guess SDSU or BSU right now.

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Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » December 24th, 2021, 3:27 pm

That final scenario would EASILY get us in. We can probably afford about 8 losses for an at large
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Post by dogie » December 24th, 2021, 5:33 pm

If the Aggies go 11-5 in Quad 1 and 2 games, they will be a 6 seed.
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Post by nvspuds » December 24th, 2021, 6:24 pm

The good news is you can get some good wins in conference..The bad news is there are plenty of really horrendous loss possibilities too..



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Post by scotlandog » December 24th, 2021, 7:07 pm

nvspuds wrote:The good news is you can get some good wins in conference..The bad news is there are plenty of really horrendous loss possibilities too..
It’s Nevada that I’m worried about though your NET isn’t horrendous. I think I talked about it in another thread but I think you guys have a NET/talent disparity and pose the greatest threat for at large hopefuls. 1/29 is a dangerous game for USU.


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Post by nvspuds » December 24th, 2021, 7:28 pm

Hard to say with the Pack..Should be a tough out at home though..They have really stepped up on defense but don't get much scoring outside of the big 4..

Sherfield and Cambridge have been more efficient shooters so far..Washington has added some shot blocking to his rim protection and Baker has been really solid.

The rest of the guys are basically role players..Up and down..
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Post by AggieFBObsession » December 25th, 2021, 5:02 am

You guys pay too much attention to OOC. The MWC will get two bids. No more. No less.

The MWC is not a regional hegemon in college athletics. Therefore, it won't get more than two bids anytime soon.



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Post by AGinNEIowa » December 25th, 2021, 6:06 am

nvspuds wrote:
December 24th, 2021, 7:28 pm
Hard to say with the Pack..Should be a tough out at home though..They have really stepped up on defense but don't get much scoring outside of the big 4..

Sherfield and Cambridge have been more efficient shooters so far..Washington has added some shot blocking to his rim protection and Baker has been really solid.

The rest of the guys are basically role players..Up and down..
I agree, good thing is, UState doesn't ever play the Pack in Reno








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Post by Yossarian » December 25th, 2021, 3:53 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote:
December 25th, 2021, 5:02 am
You guys pay too much attention to OOC. The MWC will get two bids. No more. No less.

The MWC is not a regional hegemon in college athletics. Therefore, it won't get more than two bids anytime soon.
In days of yore, the MW got 5 team in the tournament - i think on 2 occasions.


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Post by scotlandog » December 25th, 2021, 8:04 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote:You guys pay too much attention to OOC. The MWC will get two bids. No more. No less.

The MWC is not a regional hegemon in college athletics. Therefore, it won't get more than two bids anytime soon.
The only way the MWC gets two bids or more bids is from the OOC performance. We have had 2 bids the last few years with not great OOC performances. This year is a different story. I think we are a lock for 3 bids with the OOC that we have had this year, 4 if someone other than the at large wins the tourney.


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Post by SwaggieAggie » December 25th, 2021, 8:48 pm

scotlandog wrote:
December 25th, 2021, 8:04 pm
AggieFBObsession wrote:You guys pay too much attention to OOC. The MWC will get two bids. No more. No less.

The MWC is not a regional hegemon in college athletics. Therefore, it won't get more than two bids anytime soon.
The only way the MWC gets two bids or more bids is from the OOC performance. We have had 2 bids the last few years with not great OOC performances. This year is a different story. I think we are a lock for 3 bids with the OOC that we have had this year, 4 if someone other than the at large wins the tourney.


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I think for sure we’re a three bid league this year as well. Heck, had it not been for bid stealers last season we would’ve had 3 three teams. CSU was a spot or two away from making it.



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Post by AggieFBObsession » December 25th, 2021, 8:51 pm

scotlandog wrote:
December 25th, 2021, 8:04 pm
AggieFBObsession wrote:You guys pay too much attention to OOC. The MWC will get two bids. No more. No less.

The MWC is not a regional hegemon in college athletics. Therefore, it won't get more than two bids anytime soon.
The only way the MWC gets two bids or more bids is from the OOC performance. We have had 2 bids the last few years with not great OOC performances. This year is a different story. I think we are a lock for 3 bids with the OOC that we have had this year, 4 if someone other than the at large wins the tourney.


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I'd be happy to make you a friendly bet about this. If Utah State were in the PAC 12, I'd be singing a different tune. And I don't disagree with your points about the stronger performances. That said, you buy too much into the pundits talking about how NET ratings matter. They don't. They are just used as a way for the selection committee to justify multiple power conference bids. They use the ratings conveniently the way they want and leave other deserving teams out when they want and turn a blind eye to it.



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Re: MWC OOC

Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » December 25th, 2021, 10:32 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote:
December 25th, 2021, 8:51 pm
scotlandog wrote:
December 25th, 2021, 8:04 pm
AggieFBObsession wrote:You guys pay too much attention to OOC. The MWC will get two bids. No more. No less.

The MWC is not a regional hegemon in college athletics. Therefore, it won't get more than two bids anytime soon.
The only way the MWC gets two bids or more bids is from the OOC performance. We have had 2 bids the last few years with not great OOC performances. This year is a different story. I think we are a lock for 3 bids with the OOC that we have had this year, 4 if someone other than the at large wins the tourney.


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I'd be happy to make you a friendly bet about this. If Utah State were in the PAC 12, I'd be singing a different tune. And I don't disagree with your points about the stronger performances. That said, you buy too much into the pundits talking about how NET ratings matter. They don't. They are just used as a way for the selection committee to justify multiple power conference bids. They use the ratings conveniently the way they want and leave other deserving teams out when they want and turn a blind eye to it.
The past few years it seems we’ve been treated fairly by the selection committee… although I have no doubt they do what they can to benefit the big conferences
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Post by scotlandog » December 26th, 2021, 9:29 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
AggieFBObsession wrote:
December 25th, 2021, 8:51 pm
scotlandog wrote:
December 25th, 2021, 8:04 pm
AggieFBObsession wrote:You guys pay too much attention to OOC. The MWC will get two bids. No more. No less.

The MWC is not a regional hegemon in college athletics. Therefore, it won't get more than two bids anytime soon.
The only way the MWC gets two bids or more bids is from the OOC performance. We have had 2 bids the last few years with not great OOC performances. This year is a different story. I think we are a lock for 3 bids with the OOC that we have had this year, 4 if someone other than the at large wins the tourney.


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I'd be happy to make you a friendly bet about this. If Utah State were in the PAC 12, I'd be singing a different tune. And I don't disagree with your points about the stronger performances. That said, you buy too much into the pundits talking about how NET ratings matter. They don't. They are just used as a way for the selection committee to justify multiple power conference bids. They use the ratings conveniently the way they want and leave other deserving teams out when they want and turn a blind eye to it.
The past few years it seems we’ve been treated fairly by the selection committee… although I have no doubt they do what they can to benefit the big conferences
I have no doubt that between 2 teams with similar rankings the bid will go to the Power Conference team. But since the NET was implemented, the NET has been a very accurate predictor for teams making the field, and even seeding. I will follow the NET and focus on Q1/Q2 wins. Feel free to look elsewhere for your bearings or predictions.


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