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CBS preseason rankings

Post by Aggie84025 » October 14th, 2021, 9:35 am

Good article outlining preseason rankings. They have USU ranked at 58.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... 22-season/
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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by BigBlueDart » October 14th, 2021, 10:50 am

Here are where they have each team we play ranked:

32 - Colorado St
36 - BYU
41 - Richmond
42 - SDSU
54 - Nevada
56 - Saint Mary's
59 - Iowa
74 - Boise St
144 - Fresno St
146 - Weber St
149 - New Orleans
168 - UNLV
173 - Wyoming
185 - UC Davis
202 - Pennsylvania
246 - New Mexico
261 - UT Arlington
299 - Portland St
301 - Air Force
320 - SJSU
NAIA - Carroll College
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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by BobWilson » October 14th, 2021, 11:10 am

Just like rheee years ago, many people will be surprised about the Aggie men's BB team accomplishments..
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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by usu99 » October 14th, 2021, 11:17 am

The bottom of our conference SUCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. geeze so bad.


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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by Bank Shot » October 14th, 2021, 11:31 am

Ryan Odom made a life change that pretty much only a person in coaching would undertake: he moved from Baltimore to Logan, Utah.

Yikes. This guy really likes crime central over Cache Valley.



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by SLB » October 14th, 2021, 11:38 am

Round 2 of MBI is top 100



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by LarryTheAggie » October 14th, 2021, 11:43 am

Bank Shot wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 11:31 am
Ryan Odom made a life change that pretty much only a person in coaching would undertake: he moved from Baltimore to Logan, Utah.

Yikes. This guy really likes crime central over Cache Valley.
Lol. I spend quite a bit of time in Baltimore. I do not know anyone that would choose to live in Baltimore. There are a few blocks that are nice but in general it is probably the worst place to live in America.



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by slcagg » October 14th, 2021, 12:05 pm

BigBlueDart wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 10:50 am
Here are where they have each team we play ranked:

32 - Colorado St
36 - BYU
41 - Richmond
42 - SDSU
54 - Nevada
56 - Saint Mary's
59 - Iowa
74 - Boise St
144 - Fresno St
146 - Weber St
149 - New Orleans
168 - UNLV
173 - Wyoming
185 - UC Davis
202 - Pennsylvania
246 - New Mexico
261 - UT Arlington
299 - Portland St
301 - Air Force
320 - SJSU
NAIA - Carroll College
That’s potentially 12 games against top 100 teams (assuming we play all those mwc teams twice)



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by Yossarian » October 14th, 2021, 12:12 pm

I wonder who SJSU has been bribing to get that good of a ranking?
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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by BigBlueDart » October 14th, 2021, 12:18 pm

slcagg wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 12:05 pm
That’s potentially 12 games against top 100 teams (assuming we play all those mwc teams twice)
We do! And fortunately, we only play Air Force once (though we do play SJSU twice). That gives us 3 games in the 300's, 5 games in the 200's, 7 games in the 100's, and like you said, 12 games in the sub-100's. It could be better, but that's a pretty healthy slate and could be the basis for a strong resume going into March!
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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by slcagg » October 14th, 2021, 12:29 pm

BigBlueDart wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 12:18 pm
slcagg wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 12:05 pm
That’s potentially 12 games against top 100 teams (assuming we play all those mwc teams twice)
We do! And fortunately, we only play Air Force once (though we do play SJSU twice). That gives us 3 games in the 300's, 5 games in the 200's, 7 games in the 100's, and like you said, 12 games in the sub-100's. It could be better, but that's a pretty healthy slate and could be the basis for a strong resume going into March!
Thanks for listing that out. Good stuff



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by BigBlueDart » October 14th, 2021, 1:03 pm

[UPDATED - corrected NET quads for neutral site games]

So, just looking at it again and breaking it down by percentage of our schedule (29 games):

NAIA: 1 game, 3.4%
300+: 3 games, 10.3%
200-299: 5 games, 17.2%
100-199: 7 games, 24.1%
1-99: 12 games, 41.4%

If we assume that these CBS rankings are good representations of NET rankings later on, here is the breakdown by quadrant (which doesn't include that NAIA game):

Quad 1: 6 games, 21.4% (@BYU, @Iowa, @Colorado St, @Nevada, @SDSU, @Boise St)
Quad 2: 6 games, 21.4% (Richmond-neutral, Saint Mary's, Boise St, SDSU, Nevada, Colorado St)
Quad 3: 4 games, 14.3% (New Orleans, @Weber St, @Fresno St, @Wyoming)
Quad 4: 12 games, 42.9% (UC Davis, Penn-neutral, UT Arlington, Portland St, @Air Force, SJSU, @New Mexico, Wyoming, Air Force, UNLV, New Mexico, @SJSU)

How does this schedule stack up against some we've had in the past?
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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by Aggie84025 » October 14th, 2021, 1:09 pm

BigBlueDart wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 1:03 pm
So, just looking at it again and breaking it down by percentage of our schedule (29 games):

NAIA: 1 game, 3.4%
300+: 3 games, 10.3%
200-299: 5 games, 17.2%
100-199: 7 games, 24.1%
1-99: 12 games, 41.4%

If we assume that these CBS rankings are good representations of NET rankings later on, here is the breakdown by quadrant (which doesn't include that NAIA game):

Quad 1: 7 games, 25.0% (@Richmond, @BYU, @Iowa, @Colorado St, @Nevada, @SDSU, @Boise St)
Quad 2: 5 games, 17.9% (Saint Mary's, Boise St, SDSU, Nevada, Colorado St)
Quad 3: 5 games, 17.9% (@Penn, New Orleans, @Weber St, @Fresno St, @Wyoming)
Quad 4: 11 games, 39.3% (UC Davis, UT Arlington, Portland St, @Air Force, SJSU, @New Mexico, Wyoming, Air Force, UNLV, New Mexico, @SJSU)

How does this schedule stack up against some we've had in the past?
We also are missing 2 of the myrtle beach games. If we play NMSU and Oklahoma those are 2 additional solid games.



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by Full » October 14th, 2021, 1:15 pm

Yossarian wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 12:12 pm
I wonder who SJSU has been bribing to get that good of a ranking?
I think Tim Miles could get them in the top 300.



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by BigBlueDart » October 14th, 2021, 1:24 pm

Aggie84025 wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 1:09 pm
BigBlueDart wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 1:03 pm
So, just looking at it again and breaking it down by percentage of our schedule (29 games):

NAIA: 1 game, 3.4%
300+: 3 games, 10.3%
200-299: 5 games, 17.2%
100-199: 7 games, 24.1%
1-99: 12 games, 41.4%

If we assume that these CBS rankings are good representations of NET rankings later on, here is the breakdown by quadrant (which doesn't include that NAIA game):

Quad 1: 7 games, 25.0% (@Richmond, @BYU, @Iowa, @Colorado St, @Nevada, @SDSU, @Boise St)
Quad 2: 5 games, 17.9% (Saint Mary's, Boise St, SDSU, Nevada, Colorado St)
Quad 3: 5 games, 17.9% (@Penn, New Orleans, @Weber St, @Fresno St, @Wyoming)
Quad 4: 11 games, 39.3% (UC Davis, UT Arlington, Portland St, @Air Force, SJSU, @New Mexico, Wyoming, Air Force, UNLV, New Mexico, @SJSU)

How does this schedule stack up against some we've had in the past?
We also are missing 2 of the myrtle beach games. If we play NMSU and Oklahoma those are 2 additional solid games.
That could give as an additional boost. Also, I realized that I had @Richmond and @Penn, when those are neutral site games, so I had to bump each of those up a quadrant. My previous post is corrected.



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by BigBlueDart » October 14th, 2021, 1:36 pm

For the Myrtle Beach Classic, here are the CBS rankings for each of the other teams, and what NET quad they'd be in for a neutral site game (not including Penn):

100 - Davidson (Quad 2)
89 - NMSU (Quad 2)

48 - Oklahoma (Quad 1)
188 - East Carolina (Quad 3)

187 - Indiana St (Quad 3)
160 - Old Dominion (Quad 3)

Oklahoma really got the weaker side of the bracket!



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by nvspuds » October 14th, 2021, 2:59 pm

I really wonder what these guys base their guesses upon.

Is it on last year's numbers? Is it on schedules? Is it on recruits and transfers? Is it about who left?

These cats have you a few spots below what you were last season..I think your Net was a little below 50 and they project 58. That seems like a reasonable guess..

Nevada had a Net of 101 last season and returns all five starters who played a role in that 101.

This projection has the Pack at 54..They have them jumping over 47 teams..

I am not complaining but how does that compute without a single game being played yet..?



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by Aglicious » October 14th, 2021, 3:05 pm

BigBlueDart wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 1:03 pm
[UPDATED - corrected NET quads for neutral site games]

So, just looking at it again and breaking it down by percentage of our schedule (29 games):

NAIA: 1 game, 3.4%
300+: 3 games, 10.3%
200-299: 5 games, 17.2%
100-199: 7 games, 24.1%
1-99: 12 games, 41.4%

If we assume that these CBS rankings are good representations of NET rankings later on, here is the breakdown by quadrant (which doesn't include that NAIA game):

Quad 1: 6 games, 21.4% (@BYU, @Iowa, @Colorado St, @Nevada, @SDSU, @Boise St)
Quad 2: 6 games, 21.4% (Richmond-neutral, Saint Mary's, Boise St, SDSU, Nevada, Colorado St)
Quad 3: 4 games, 14.3% (New Orleans, @Weber St, @Fresno St, @Wyoming)
Quad 4: 12 games, 42.9% (UC Davis, Penn-neutral, UT Arlington, Portland St, @Air Force, SJSU, @New Mexico, Wyoming, Air Force, UNLV, New Mexico, @SJSU)

How does this schedule stack up against some we've had in the past?

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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by Real Life Aggie » October 14th, 2021, 3:06 pm

nvspuds wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 2:59 pm
I really wonder what these guys base their guesses upon.

Is it on last year's numbers? Is it on schedules? Is it on recruits and transfers? Is it about who left?

These cats have you a few spots below what you were last season..I think your Net was a little below 50 and they project 58. That seems like a reasonable guess..

Nevada had a Net of 101 last season and returns all five starters who played a role in that 101.

This projection has the Pack at 54..They have them jumping over 47 teams..

I am not complaining but how does that compute without a single game being played yet..?
I'm with you. Great, I'm glad people are thinking well of USU, but... I mean, we'll see. A lot change. A lot of different players. It should be called preseason prognostication, not rankings.



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by Bank Shot » October 14th, 2021, 3:14 pm

nvspuds wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 2:59 pm
I really wonder what these guys base their guesses upon.

Is it on last year's numbers? Is it on schedules? Is it on recruits and transfers? Is it about who left?

These cats have you a few spots below what you were last season..I think your Net was a little below 50 and they project 58. That seems like a reasonable guess..

Nevada had a Net of 101 last season and returns all five starters who played a role in that 101.

This projection has the Pack at 54..They have them jumping over 47 teams..

I am not complaining but how does that compute without a single game being played yet..?
" I don't think this squad has an outright league star, but the Pack do proudly deploy a quietly proficient backcourt of PG Grant Sherfield and SG Desmond Cambridge Jr."

He lost some cred with me with that quote. Sherf is a baller and will be all conference.



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by Yossarian » October 14th, 2021, 3:19 pm

Bank Shot wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 3:14 pm
nvspuds wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 2:59 pm
I really wonder what these guys base their guesses upon.

Is it on last year's numbers? Is it on schedules? Is it on recruits and transfers? Is it about who left?

These cats have you a few spots below what you were last season..I think your Net was a little below 50 and they project 58. That seems like a reasonable guess..

Nevada had a Net of 101 last season and returns all five starters who played a role in that 101.

This projection has the Pack at 54..They have them jumping over 47 teams..

I am not complaining but how does that compute without a single game being played yet..?
" I don't think this squad has an outright league star, but the Pack do proudly deploy a quietly proficient backcourt of PG Grant Sherfield and SG Desmond Cambridge Jr."

He lost some cred with me with that quote. Sherf is a baller and will be all conference.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Nevada win both the regular season and the conference tournament in the MW. They have some crazy good talent there.



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by nvspuds » October 14th, 2021, 3:28 pm

NV has many reasons for optimism for sure..However, other teams also have reasons to be optimistic..

Two things I always look to are continuity and experience..

Last season the Pack had 2 upperclassmen (no seniors) and 9 underclassmen..

This season there there will be a more even split with 6 upperclassmen to 7 sophs and frosh..

But, much like you fellows we will have to see how the pieces fit..



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by nvspuds » October 14th, 2021, 3:29 pm

Bank Shot wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 3:14 pm
nvspuds wrote:
October 14th, 2021, 2:59 pm
I really wonder what these guys base their guesses upon.

Is it on last year's numbers? Is it on schedules? Is it on recruits and transfers? Is it about who left?

These cats have you a few spots below what you were last season..I think your Net was a little below 50 and they project 58. That seems like a reasonable guess..

Nevada had a Net of 101 last season and returns all five starters who played a role in that 101.

This projection has the Pack at 54..They have them jumping over 47 teams..

I am not complaining but how does that compute without a single game being played yet..?
" I don't think this squad has an outright league star, but the Pack do proudly deploy a quietly proficient backcourt of PG Grant Sherfield and SG Desmond Cambridge Jr."

He lost some cred with me with that quote. Sherf is a baller and will be all conference.
Yes, I would agree that Sherfield is indeed an all conference caliber player and a legit POY candidate..Cambridge is really good too..



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by slcagg » October 14th, 2021, 3:32 pm

Looking forward to that Iowa game. I assumed they would be the clear favorites but maybe not? Essentially a home game Iowa since Sioux Falls is literally right by the Iowa border.



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by ineptimusprime » October 14th, 2021, 6:38 pm

Hard to quibble too much with how he has the MW teams ranked. I could see us finishing anywhere from 1-5 depending on how the pieces fit together. Should be a fun season.

Our floor is decently high just based on experience level, but I have no idea what the ceiling is. To me, it really all comes down to how RJ and Horvath (two small conference first teamers) translate to the MW, and if there’s a surprise (leap from Bairstow being used right, Thelissen or Zee contributing, etc.)

But it’s nearly impossible for me to fathom that an experienced core of Justin Bean, Brock Miller, Horvath, RJ, Jones, and Ashworth could be a “bad” team. Is it an NCAA tourney team? My honest guess is “no.” If I had to prognosticate, I’d guess we’ll end up an 18-22 win team that is a 3-5 seed in the MW tourney.

Excited to get things underway!
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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by nvspuds » October 17th, 2021, 1:05 pm

Andy Dieckhoff
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33. San Diego State
49. Nevada
72. Colorado State
80. Boise State
95. Utah State
130. UNLV
131. Fresno State
183. Wyoming
287. New Mexico
301. Air Force
335. San José State



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by ViAggie » October 17th, 2021, 3:28 pm

nvspuds wrote:
October 17th, 2021, 1:05 pm
Andy Dieckhoff
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@kenpomeroy
ranks for #MWhoops 🧐

33. San Diego State
49. Nevada
72. Colorado State
80. Boise State
95. Utah State
130. UNLV
131. Fresno State
183. Wyoming
287. New Mexico
301. Air Force
335. San José State
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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by utaggies » October 17th, 2021, 5:18 pm

ViAggie wrote:
October 17th, 2021, 3:28 pm
nvspuds wrote:
October 17th, 2021, 1:05 pm
Andy Dieckhoff
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ranks for #MWhoops 🧐

33. San Diego State
49. Nevada
72. Colorado State
80. Boise State
95. Utah State
130. UNLV
131. Fresno State
183. Wyoming
287. New Mexico
301. Air Force
335. San José State
and the AAC wanted AFA? :lol:
Do ya think it may not be because of their basketball team?



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Re: CBS preseason rankings

Post by utaggies » October 17th, 2021, 5:19 pm

nvspuds wrote:
October 17th, 2021, 1:05 pm
Andy Dieckhoff
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ranks for #MWhoops 🧐

33. San Diego State
49. Nevada
72. Colorado State
80. Boise State
95. Utah State
130. UNLV
131. Fresno State
183. Wyoming
287. New Mexico
301. Air Force
335. San José State
That Ken Pom pre-season ranking for the Aggies makes a lot more sense to me than CBS’ ranking. But I think that CSU is under-ranked by Pom.
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