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I hate to the be the bearer of bad news here but this is a waste of time & resources.
This kid is desperate to go to BYU or Utah & is being recruited by both. Not only that but the new coaching staff is way to the game here (through no fault of their own obviously).
He won’t be coming to Usu. Though I guess he could always transfer here in a few years.
This kid is desperate to go to BYU or Utah & is being recruited by both. Not only that but the new coaching staff is way to the game here (through no fault of their own obviously).
He won’t be coming to Usu. Though I guess he could always transfer here in a few years.
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At least they are trying. Would rather them offer then take the stance he’ll never come here.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:34 pmI hate to the be the bearer of bad news here but this is a waste of time & resources.
This kid is desperate to go to BYU or Utah & is being recruited by both. Not only that but the new coaching staff is way to the game here (through no fault of their own obviously).
He won’t be coming to Usu.
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Would be a great get if Odom could swing it considering he has a couple P5 offers. Would love to beat out the Utes for someone. I think this kid's game would match well with everythink I've heard Odom say about the uptempo style he wants to play. I think Odom's offense is more uptempo than Smith's.
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I guess sometimes you just can’t win. No big time offers to anyone everyone gets nervous that Odom isn’t recruiting anyone good. Put out a big offer and they won’t come anyway so it’s pointless.ChicagoAggie wrote:At least they are trying. Would rather them offer then take the stance he’ll never come here.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:34 pmI hate to the be the bearer of bad news here but this is a waste of time & resources.
This kid is desperate to go to BYU or Utah & is being recruited by both. Not only that but the new coaching staff is way to the game here (through no fault of their own obviously).
He won’t be coming to Usu.
I actually think that’s what was wrong with smiths recruiting. He didn’t even try to land big time recruits. Instead he’d go after smaller gets, that happen to “fit” his type of player. He called it picky or selectivebut I like this offer. Even if we don’t get him.
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There's nothing wrong with building bridges with this kid, especially if he doesn't like his playing situation wherever he goes. Definitely NOT a waste of time and/or resources IMO. The transfer portal makes recruiting a lot different on both the front AND back end of recruiting.
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Maybe the conversation goes better in a couple years if he is desperate to transfer out of Utah/Byu but wants to stay local. I don’t think it is ever wasted time to recruit a local kid, especially with the new transfer portal rules. I would probably spend a good portion of my time developing relationships with kids that may be a little out of reach and then plan on it paying off in the portal a few years later. Pretty sure that is how CS landed Marco.ChicagoAggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:37 pmAt least they are trying. Would rather them offer then take the stance he’ll never come here.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:34 pmI hate to the be the bearer of bad news here but this is a waste of time & resources.
This kid is desperate to go to BYU or Utah & is being recruited by both. Not only that but the new coaching staff is way to the game here (through no fault of their own obviously).
He won’t be coming to Usu.
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Not to mention the goodwill you build with guys who coach these kids, and who will coach others in the future.nswaggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:48 pmMaybe the conversation goes better in a couple years if he is desperate to transfer out of Utah/Byu but wants to stay local. I don’t think it is ever wasted time to recruit a local kid, especially with the new transfer portal rules. I would probably spend a good portion of my time developing relationships with kids that may be a little out of reach and then plan on it paying off in the portal a few years later. Pretty sure that is how CS landed Marco.ChicagoAggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:37 pmAt least they are trying. Would rather them offer then take the stance he’ll never come here.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:34 pmI hate to the be the bearer of bad news here but this is a waste of time & resources.
This kid is desperate to go to BYU or Utah & is being recruited by both. Not only that but the new coaching staff is way to the game here (through no fault of their own obviously).
He won’t be coming to Usu.
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This is a VERY important point.jackattack wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:45 pmThere's nothing wrong with building bridges with this kid, especially if he doesn't like his playing situation wherever he goes. Definitely NOT a waste of time and/or resources IMO. The transfer portal makes recruiting a lot different on both the front AND back end of recruiting.
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I assume you’re referencing complaints I’ve made, knowingly or not, & there’s a big difference between this offer and what you claimed. It’s a straw man argument.Usu0505 wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:41 pmI guess sometimes you just can’t win. No big time offers to anyone everyone gets nervous that Odom isn’t recruiting anyone good. Put out a big offer and they won’t come anyway so it’s pointless.ChicagoAggie wrote:At least they are trying. Would rather them offer then take the stance he’ll never come here.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:34 pmI hate to the be the bearer of bad news here but this is a waste of time & resources.
This kid is desperate to go to BYU or Utah & is being recruited by both. Not only that but the new coaching staff is way to the game here (through no fault of their own obviously).
He won’t be coming to Usu.
I actually think that’s what was wrong with smiths recruiting. He didn’t even try to land big time recruits. Instead he’d go after smaller gets, that happen to “fit” his type of player. He called it picky or selectivebut I like this offer. Even if we don’t get him.
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Not really! But you are the mighty Roy McAvoy. If/When he doesn’t choose Utah State you’ll make sure you tell everyone you said so, or you’ll take your toys and run away.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 9:05 pmI assume you’re referencing complaints I’ve made, knowingly or not, & there’s a big difference between this offer and what you claimed. It’s a straw man argument.Usu0505 wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:41 pmI guess sometimes you just can’t win. No big time offers to anyone everyone gets nervous that Odom isn’t recruiting anyone good. Put out a big offer and they won’t come anyway so it’s pointless.ChicagoAggie wrote:At least they are trying. Would rather them offer then take the stance he’ll never come here.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:34 pmI hate to the be the bearer of bad news here but this is a waste of time & resources.
This kid is desperate to go to BYU or Utah & is being recruited by both. Not only that but the new coaching staff is way to the game here (through no fault of their own obviously).
He won’t be coming to Usu.
I actually think that’s what was wrong with smiths recruiting. He didn’t even try to land big time recruits. Instead he’d go after smaller gets, that happen to “fit” his type of player. He called it picky or selectivebut I like this offer. Even if we don’t get him.
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Haha, yes that is me. And it’s different because those two things I mentioned go hand in hand, not contradicting. I’m a bit bummed we aren’t going out and going after some awesome talent that’s available in the portal that I think Usu could land, but we will go recruit this kid who is never picking usu in a million years .ChicagoAggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 9:17 pmNot really! But you are the mighty Roy McAvoy. If/When he doesn’t choose Utah State you’ll make sure you tell everyone you said so, or you’ll take your toys and run away.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 9:05 pmI assume you’re referencing complaints I’ve made, knowingly or not, & there’s a big difference between this offer and what you claimed. It’s a straw man argument.Usu0505 wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:41 pmI guess sometimes you just can’t win. No big time offers to anyone everyone gets nervous that Odom isn’t recruiting anyone good. Put out a big offer and they won’t come anyway so it’s pointless.ChicagoAggie wrote:At least they are trying. Would rather them offer then take the stance he’ll never come here.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:34 pmI hate to the be the bearer of bad news here but this is a waste of time & resources.
This kid is desperate to go to BYU or Utah & is being recruited by both. Not only that but the new coaching staff is way to the game here (through no fault of their own obviously).
He won’t be coming to Usu.
I actually think that’s what was wrong with smiths recruiting. He didn’t even try to land big time recruits. Instead he’d go after smaller gets, that happen to “fit” his type of player. He called it picky or selectivebut I like this offer. Even if we don’t get him.
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All joking aside. I think there is a strategy here. I would prefer our coaching staff make it known we are an option with the best local talent. I am not convinced that we aren’t exploring the transfer portal. But you may have more knowledge on that front and if you have definitive evidence you should say so. Smith kept his recruiting to his vest cause he didn’t want anyone knowing who he lost in recruiting battles. That was his strategy and no one liked that either.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 9:24 pmHaha, yes that is me. And it’s different because those two things I mentioned go hand in hand, not contradicting. I’m a bit bummed we aren’t going out and going after some awesome talent that’s available in the portal that I think Usu could land, but we will go recruit this kid who is never picking usu in a million years .ChicagoAggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 9:17 pmNot really! But you are the mighty Roy McAvoy. If/When he doesn’t choose Utah State you’ll make sure you tell everyone you said so, or you’ll take your toys and run away.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 9:05 pmI assume you’re referencing complaints I’ve made, knowingly or not, & there’s a big difference between this offer and what you claimed. It’s a straw man argument.Usu0505 wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:41 pmI guess sometimes you just can’t win. No big time offers to anyone everyone gets nervous that Odom isn’t recruiting anyone good. Put out a big offer and they won’t come anyway so it’s pointless.ChicagoAggie wrote:At least they are trying. Would rather them offer then take the stance he’ll never come here.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:34 pmI hate to the be the bearer of bad news here but this is a waste of time & resources.
This kid is desperate to go to BYU or Utah & is being recruited by both. Not only that but the new coaching staff is way to the game here (through no fault of their own obviously).
He won’t be coming to Usu.
I actually think that’s what was wrong with smiths recruiting. He didn’t even try to land big time recruits. Instead he’d go after smaller gets, that happen to “fit” his type of player. He called it picky or selectivebut I like this offer. Even if we don’t get him.
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In all seriousness, we let the process play out. Chandler is the one making the decision not the u, byu, Aggies, or etc. on where Chandler wants to go, and Odom offered Chandler. Let's wait and see where he lands
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I personally would not be surprised that we land some big name Utah recruits because of Merrill and Queta, and Odom is making the right move here. Chandler put a Sam Merrill picture in his tweet.
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This is a 2022 kid. We’ve got multiple coaches and support staff. They can multi-task.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 9:24 pmHaha, yes that is me. And it’s different because those two things I mentioned go hand in hand, not contradicting. I’m a bit bummed we aren’t going out and going after some awesome talent that’s available in the portal that I think Usu could land, but we will go recruit this kid who is never picking usu in a million years .ChicagoAggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 9:17 pmNot really! But you are the mighty Roy McAvoy. If/When he doesn’t choose Utah State you’ll make sure you tell everyone you said so, or you’ll take your toys and run away.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 9:05 pmI assume you’re referencing complaints I’ve made, knowingly or not, & there’s a big difference between this offer and what you claimed. It’s a straw man argument.Usu0505 wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:41 pmI guess sometimes you just can’t win. No big time offers to anyone everyone gets nervous that Odom isn’t recruiting anyone good. Put out a big offer and they won’t come anyway so it’s pointless.ChicagoAggie wrote:At least they are trying. Would rather them offer then take the stance he’ll never come here.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:34 pmI hate to the be the bearer of bad news here but this is a waste of time & resources.
This kid is desperate to go to BYU or Utah & is being recruited by both. Not only that but the new coaching staff is way to the game here (through no fault of their own obviously).
He won’t be coming to Usu.
I actually think that’s what was wrong with smiths recruiting. He didn’t even try to land big time recruits. Instead he’d go after smaller gets, that happen to “fit” his type of player. He called it picky or selectivebut I like this offer. Even if we don’t get him.
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I am confident they can and are hitting the portal right now. We have two spots to fill, and there is an overwhelming amount of talent in the portal. We’re gonna be fine.
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Speaking of Roy -- did I ever tell you how great that 12 was, Roy? Like the greatest of all time.
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And if he’s a Jazz fan then Snyder’s statement about Odom is sure to seal the deal.
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NBA draft pics help immensely. When was the last time YBU or Utah had anyone drafted? let alone two in a row.
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Again, if everyone is focused on the transfer portal, we could swoop in and get some of these guys. Not to mention talented kids who were underscouted because of COVID.
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Not sure if serious....OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 11:43 pmNBA draft pics help immensely. When was the last time YBU or Utah had anyone drafted? let alone two in a row.
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Exactly. Just establishing rapport for the eventual transfer portal recruitment.jackattack wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:45 pmThere's nothing wrong with building bridges with this kid, especially if he doesn't like his playing situation wherever he goes. Definitely NOT a waste of time and/or resources IMO. The transfer portal makes recruiting a lot different on both the front AND back end of recruiting.
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The U and the Y may not be offering a chance to start from year 1.
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LOL! Seriously, We get one guy drafted (with the last pick in the draft no less) in how many years and now we are the draft kings.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 5:10 amNot sure if serious....OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 11:43 pmNBA draft pics help immensely. When was the last time YBU or Utah had anyone drafted? let alone two in a row.
Love the enthusiasm in this forum, I guess it's hard to take off the blue goggles.
Edit: Absolutely we should be going after highly talented recruits even if they are likely going somewhere. If we get them to come it will be more than likely because of the relationship they form with our coaches. Not because cause Logan is cool, or because Queta was here. The Jalen Moore's and Sam Merrill's don't come very often.
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Didn't Sam Merrill text Coach Odom and offer to help in any way he can? Is it against the rules for Sam to communicate with Collin Chandler? Just one Davis county high school grad who attended USU and ended up in the NBA talking to a future Davis county high school grad that could select the same path....
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That and Utah had 3 first rounders back to back to back from 2016-2017. One of those three currently plays for the OCA's own Kings.Blitz79 wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 7:23 amLOL! Seriously, We get one guy drafted (with the last pick in the draft no less) in how many years and now we are the draft kings.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 5:10 amNot sure if serious....OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 11:43 pmNBA draft pics help immensely. When was the last time YBU or Utah had anyone drafted? let alone two in a row.
Love the enthusiasm in this forum, I guess it's hard to take off the blue goggles.
Edit: Absolutely we should be going after highly talented recruits even if they are likely going somewhere. If we get them to come it will be more than likely because of the relationship they form with our coaches. Not because cause Logan is cool, or because Queta was here. The Jalen Moore's and Sam Merrill's don't come very often.
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It was 2015 - 2017 drafts.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 8:51 amThat and Utah had 3 first rounders back to back to back from 2016-2017. One of those three currently plays for the OCA's own Kings.Blitz79 wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 7:23 amLOL! Seriously, We get one guy drafted (with the last pick in the draft no less) in how many years and now we are the draft kings.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 5:10 amNot sure if serious....OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 11:43 pmNBA draft pics help immensely. When was the last time YBU or Utah had anyone drafted? let alone two in a row.
Love the enthusiasm in this forum, I guess it's hard to take off the blue goggles.
Edit: Absolutely we should be going after highly talented recruits even if they are likely going somewhere. If we get them to come it will be more than likely because of the relationship they form with our coaches. Not because cause Logan is cool, or because Queta was here. The Jalen Moore's and Sam Merrill's don't come very often.
2015 - Delon Wright was picked first round (20th pick) by Toronto
2016 - Jakob Poeltl was picked first round (9th pick) by Toronto
2017 - Kyle Kuzma was picked first round (27th pick) by Brooklyn
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Yeah. Thanks, that is what I meant.Yossarian wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 11:28 amIt was 2015 - 2017 drafts.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 8:51 amThat and Utah had 3 first rounders back to back to back from 2016-2017. One of those three currently plays for the OCA's own Kings.Blitz79 wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 7:23 amLOL! Seriously, We get one guy drafted (with the last pick in the draft no less) in how many years and now we are the draft kings.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 5:10 amNot sure if serious....OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 11:43 pmNBA draft pics help immensely. When was the last time YBU or Utah had anyone drafted? let alone two in a row.
Love the enthusiasm in this forum, I guess it's hard to take off the blue goggles.
Edit: Absolutely we should be going after highly talented recruits even if they are likely going somewhere. If we get them to come it will be more than likely because of the relationship they form with our coaches. Not because cause Logan is cool, or because Queta was here. The Jalen Moore's and Sam Merrill's don't come very often.
2015 - Delon Wright was picked first round (20th pick) by Toronto
2016 - Jakob Poeltl was picked first round (9th pick) by Toronto
2017 - Kyle Kuzma was picked first round (27th pick) by Brooklyn
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But our NBA talent was free
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Recency bias and perception is the point I was making. Would it matter more to an 18-year old that USU just placed a player in the NBA this year and last vs a program that last did it when they were 14 (or 8 years old in BYU's case)? Probably, if getting to the NBA is a serious goal.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 11:33 amYeah. Thanks, that is what I meant.Yossarian wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 11:28 amIt was 2015 - 2017 drafts.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 8:51 amThat and Utah had 3 first rounders back to back to back from 2016-2017. One of those three currently plays for the OCA's own Kings.Blitz79 wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 7:23 amLOL! Seriously, We get one guy drafted (with the last pick in the draft no less) in how many years and now we are the draft kings.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 5:10 amNot sure if serious....OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 11:43 pmNBA draft pics help immensely. When was the last time YBU or Utah had anyone drafted? let alone two in a row.
Love the enthusiasm in this forum, I guess it's hard to take off the blue goggles.
Edit: Absolutely we should be going after highly talented recruits even if they are likely going somewhere. If we get them to come it will be more than likely because of the relationship they form with our coaches. Not because cause Logan is cool, or because Queta was here. The Jalen Moore's and Sam Merrill's don't come very often.
2015 - Delon Wright was picked first round (20th pick) by Toronto
2016 - Jakob Poeltl was picked first round (9th pick) by Toronto
2017 - Kyle Kuzma was picked first round (27th pick) by Brooklyn
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You get a lot of s*it on here but you tend to be right on things. I will say this - if it was a 10 minute call that resulted in an offer (no brainer to offer best talent in state), then I don't see the harm. There is some nominal value in having this guy tweet that he receive an offer from USU. If it was hours of phone calls with ton of time spent going after someone we have almost no chance at landing, then yes a total waste of time and resources.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:34 pmI hate to the be the bearer of bad news here but this is a waste of time & resources.
This kid is desperate to go to BYU or Utah & is being recruited by both. Not only that but the new coaching staff is way to the game here (through no fault of their own obviously).
He won’t be coming to Usu. Though I guess he could always transfer here in a few years.
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The recently seen success of sending guys to the NBA would be a better argument if the coach that helped them get there wasn’t at Utah nowOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 11:43 pmNBA draft pics help immensely. When was the last time YBU or Utah had anyone drafted? let alone two in a row.
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Collin Chandler knows exactly who Merrill’s coach was when he made it to the NBA.
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I've said this in other threads but you are 100% correct my Aggie brother.UStateTim wrote: ↑April 24th, 2021, 3:39 pmThe recently seen success of sending guys to the NBA would be a better argument if the coach that helped them get there wasn’t at Utah nowOrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 11:43 pmNBA draft pics help immensely. When was the last time YBU or Utah had anyone drafted? let alone two in a row.
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Re: Updated 2022 Offer
Collin Chandler put out his top 6, we're not in it. However, if this kid one day transfers I have to think we'll be positioned as a good landing spot. Given the transfer environment and goodwill with these kids I agree that it's not a waste at all.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:53 pmNot to mention the goodwill you build with guys who coach these kids, and who will coach others in the future.nswaggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:48 pmMaybe the conversation goes better in a couple years if he is desperate to transfer out of Utah/Byu but wants to stay local. I don’t think it is ever wasted time to recruit a local kid, especially with the new transfer portal rules. I would probably spend a good portion of my time developing relationships with kids that may be a little out of reach and then plan on it paying off in the portal a few years later. Pretty sure that is how CS landed Marco.ChicagoAggie wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:37 pmAt least they are trying. Would rather them offer then take the stance he’ll never come here.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑April 21st, 2021, 8:34 pmI hate to the be the bearer of bad news here but this is a waste of time & resources.
This kid is desperate to go to BYU or Utah & is being recruited by both. Not only that but the new coaching staff is way to the game here (through no fault of their own obviously).
He won’t be coming to Usu.
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