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Worster 3 pt %

Post by BigBlueDart » March 24th, 2021, 5:07 pm

He was at 28.4% on the season. In another thread somebody was comparing his overall stats to the Freshman year of other Aggie notables. The 3 point shooting seemed to be the biggest outlier in that group. My question is: Do we have any reason to believe that Rollie was or will be better than that? Anyone able to look up how he shot in high school? Anyone think that this is something he can drastically improve during the off-season.

I don't think that this one thing is what next season will pivot on, or anything, but I do think that a Rollie that can be accurate from 65 yards... err... 22 feet is something that would make a significant difference for the team.
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Post by LarryTheAggie » March 24th, 2021, 5:12 pm

I think we need to bring Jaycee Carroll in as a shooting coach now that he is retired as lives in the valley.
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Re: Worster 3 pt %

Post by Aggie84025 » March 24th, 2021, 5:28 pm

I would say this is the biggest thing for worster to improve upon in the off season is his 3 pt. shooting. His defense was really good and was a good facilitator, but we need his 3 pt. shooting.



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Re: Worster 3 pt %

Post by cval » March 24th, 2021, 5:32 pm

How did it change before versus after his injury?

Might give an idea of the potential for improvement.



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Re: Worster 3 pt %

Post by BigBlueDart » March 24th, 2021, 5:37 pm

cval wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 5:32 pm
How did it change before versus after his injury?

Might give an idea of the potential for improvement.
I somehow completely forgot about his injury. If I wasn't trying to do better at work I'd spend the next half hour compiling the before/after stats for the answer.



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Post by aggie4L » March 24th, 2021, 5:48 pm

I think it may have to do with confidence. Hopefully it will improve next season. Here's a link to a pretty impressive 7 threes he made in one game.



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Post by USUaggie » March 24th, 2021, 6:19 pm

I think his fundamental shooting stroke is good, so yes, I expect a decent jump in his % next season. Maybe mid 30s.



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Post by Roy McAvoy » March 24th, 2021, 6:21 pm

I’ll have to dig again, but I’ve found it before. It was hard to find though.

I remember not being impressed with it. I want to say it was 34% from 3 in high school, which is a closer shot.



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Re: Worster 3 pt %

Post by utaggies » March 24th, 2021, 6:22 pm

Aggie84025 wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 5:28 pm
I would say this is the biggest thing for worster to improve upon in the off season is his 3 pt. shooting. His defense was really good and was a good facilitator, but we need his 3 pt. shooting.
If he’s going to be our PG he’s also got to learn to take care of the ball better.



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Post by nswaggie » March 24th, 2021, 6:31 pm

I really like Worter’s game. He has a good mid range game that should have been used more IMO. With the rebounding we had I would have taken him shooting a mid range every other possession. That being said for him to take his game to the next level his 3pt % and assist to TO ratio need the most work.



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Re: Worster 3 pt %

Post by Yossarian » March 24th, 2021, 6:40 pm

utaggies wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 6:22 pm
Aggie84025 wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 5:28 pm
I would say this is the biggest thing for worster to improve upon in the off season is his 3 pt. shooting. His defense was really good and was a good facilitator, but we need his 3 pt. shooting.
If he’s going to be our PG he’s also got to learn to take care of the ball better.
Worster was the primary ball handler for the team as a true freshman. I compared his scoring and shooting stats to other notable freshmen that have started at the guard/wing position in recent years in another thread. The only one on that list that was the primary ball handler for the bulk of the minutes on the team was Koby McEwen. Rollie averaged 3.5 assists and 2.5 turnovers per game this season (1.4 ratio). Koby average 3 assists and 2.6 turnovers per game (1.15 ratio). For a true freshman playing in a good league with much quicker, stronger, and better athletes, I would say he did very well. Yes, there were some freshman mistakes, but I expect that this ratio will only improve. There are a lot of seasoned college basketball players that do not have that good of a A:TO ratio as primary ball handlers.

Yes - he shooting percentage needs to improve. I have a feeling it will.

For comparison:

Bernard Rock as a junior had an A:TO ratio of 1.42 and Marcus Saxon as a junior had a ratio of 1.23. Those were both pretty good point guards.



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Post by SSaggie » March 24th, 2021, 7:41 pm

Seems like I remember hearing once that scouts for the NBA see a higher correlation between college free throw % and NBA 3pt% as opposed to college 3pt% correlating to NBA 3pt% .
Rollie shoots free throws very well, which leads me to believe that he has the potential to be a good 3pt shooter.
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Post by Mr. Sneelock » March 24th, 2021, 8:43 pm

Reliable and consistent 3pt shooting is our single biggest weakness as a team. Hopefully a few guys, including Worster really put in work in the off-season.


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Post by IdaAg93 » March 24th, 2021, 8:45 pm

It almost appears as if he shoots the 3 pt shot a little more free and relaxed. Where as now, she seems more rigid. Wonder what's caused that change. D1 pressure is my guess.

We needed that aggressive outside shooting the end the year. Smith will have to loosen the reigns.



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Re: Worster 3 pt %

Post by Roy McAvoy » March 24th, 2021, 8:49 pm

IdaAg93 wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 8:45 pm
It almost appears as if he shoots the 3 pt shot a little more free and relaxed. Where as now, she seems more rigid. Wonder what's caused that change. D1 pressure is my guess.

We needed that aggressive outside shooting the end the year. Smith will have to loosen the reigns.
Oh man, for sure. His shot in the video was such a more free flowing motion.



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Re: Worster 3 pt %

Post by utaggies » March 24th, 2021, 11:03 pm

Yossarian wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 6:40 pm
utaggies wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 6:22 pm
Aggie84025 wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 5:28 pm
I would say this is the biggest thing for worster to improve upon in the off season is his 3 pt. shooting. His defense was really good and was a good facilitator, but we need his 3 pt. shooting.
If he’s going to be our PG he’s also got to learn to take care of the ball better.
Worster was the primary ball handler for the team as a true freshman. I compared his scoring and shooting stats to other notable freshmen that have started at the guard/wing position in recent years in another thread. The only one on that list that was the primary ball handler for the bulk of the minutes on the team was Koby McEwen. Rollie averaged 3.5 assists and 2.5 turnovers per game this season (1.4 ratio). Koby average 3 assists and 2.6 turnovers per game (1.15 ratio). For a true freshman playing in a good league with much quicker, stronger, and better athletes, I would say he did very well. Yes, there were some freshman mistakes, but I expect that this ratio will only improve. There are a lot of seasoned college basketball players that do not have that good of a A:TO ratio as primary ball handlers.

Yes - he shooting percentage needs to improve. I have a feeling it will.

For comparison:

Bernard Rock as a junior had an A:TO ratio of 1.42 and Marcus Saxon as a junior had a ratio of 1.23. Those were both pretty good point guards.
If the sole metric to measure the value of a PG were the A:TO ratio Rollie would have been a below average MWC point guard this year. To be in the upper one-third of the conference his A:TO needs to be around 2.0 — not hovering around 1.4.



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Re: Worster 3 pt %

Post by brian5562 » March 24th, 2021, 11:25 pm

I think improves and the hard truth is he has to. In arguably the two biggest games of the year he really struggled. Shooting 6 of 20 overall 2 of 8 from three only 5 assists and 8 turnovers and not shooting a single free throw..



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Re: Worster 3 pt %

Post by Yossarian » March 24th, 2021, 11:53 pm

utaggies wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 11:03 pm
Yossarian wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 6:40 pm
utaggies wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 6:22 pm
Aggie84025 wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 5:28 pm
I would say this is the biggest thing for worster to improve upon in the off season is his 3 pt. shooting. His defense was really good and was a good facilitator, but we need his 3 pt. shooting.
If he’s going to be our PG he’s also got to learn to take care of the ball better.
Worster was the primary ball handler for the team as a true freshman. I compared his scoring and shooting stats to other notable freshmen that have started at the guard/wing position in recent years in another thread. The only one on that list that was the primary ball handler for the bulk of the minutes on the team was Koby McEwen. Rollie averaged 3.5 assists and 2.5 turnovers per game this season (1.4 ratio). Koby average 3 assists and 2.6 turnovers per game (1.15 ratio). For a true freshman playing in a good league with much quicker, stronger, and better athletes, I would say he did very well. Yes, there were some freshman mistakes, but I expect that this ratio will only improve. There are a lot of seasoned college basketball players that do not have that good of a A:TO ratio as primary ball handlers.

Yes - he shooting percentage needs to improve. I have a feeling it will.

For comparison:

Bernard Rock as a junior had an A:TO ratio of 1.42 and Marcus Saxon as a junior had a ratio of 1.23. Those were both pretty good point guards.
If the sole metric to measure the value of a PG were the A:TO ratio Rollie would have been a below average MWC point guard this year. To be in the upper one-third of the conference his A:TO needs to be around 2.0 — not hovering around 1.4.
That's interesting.

An assist to turnover ratio of 2.0 (with a minimum of 3 assists per game) would put you in the top 16 on the all time USU list for a single season. So the top third of the mountain west this year would have made the top 15 all time for a single season. Unless, of course, you're counting everyone in the league and not the primary ball handlers and distributors that have at least 3 assists per game, like Worster?

Looking further, Worster was fifth in the league (and most among freshmen) in the league in assists per game. Only Williams and Maldonado from Wyoming, Stephens from CSU, and Sherfield from Nevada averaged more assists per game. This is great considering how poorly the team as a whole shot. I expect Worster to get better as he gets more experience.



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Re: Worster 3 pt %

Post by utaggies » March 25th, 2021, 12:38 am

Yossarian wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 11:53 pm
utaggies wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 11:03 pm
Yossarian wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 6:40 pm
utaggies wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 6:22 pm
Aggie84025 wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 5:28 pm
I would say this is the biggest thing for worster to improve upon in the off season is his 3 pt. shooting. His defense was really good and was a good facilitator, but we need his 3 pt. shooting.
If he’s going to be our PG he’s also got to learn to take care of the ball better.
Worster was the primary ball handler for the team as a true freshman. I compared his scoring and shooting stats to other notable freshmen that have started at the guard/wing position in recent years in another thread. The only one on that list that was the primary ball handler for the bulk of the minutes on the team was Koby McEwen. Rollie averaged 3.5 assists and 2.5 turnovers per game this season (1.4 ratio). Koby average 3 assists and 2.6 turnovers per game (1.15 ratio). For a true freshman playing in a good league with much quicker, stronger, and better athletes, I would say he did very well. Yes, there were some freshman mistakes, but I expect that this ratio will only improve. There are a lot of seasoned college basketball players that do not have that good of a A:TO ratio as primary ball handlers.

Yes - he shooting percentage needs to improve. I have a feeling it will.

For comparison:

Bernard Rock as a junior had an A:TO ratio of 1.42 and Marcus Saxon as a junior had a ratio of 1.23. Those were both pretty good point guards.
If the sole metric to measure the value of a PG were the A:TO ratio Rollie would have been a below average MWC point guard this year. To be in the upper one-third of the conference his A:TO needs to be around 2.0 — not hovering around 1.4.
That's interesting.

An assist to turnover ratio of 2.0 (with a minimum of 3 assists per game) would put you in the top 16 on the all time USU list for a single season. So the top third of the mountain west this year would have made the top 15 all time for a single season. Unless, of course, you're counting everyone in the league and not the primary ball handlers and distributors that have at least 3 assists per game, like Worster?
Sherfield (Nevada) - 6.1 APG; 2.8 TOPG; A:T of 2.2
Trey Pulliam (SDS) - 3.5 APG; 1.5 TOPG; A:T of 2.4

Stevens from CSU, Rayj from BSU and Williams from Wyoming all had A:T ratios better than Rollie (Williams only slightly better) and were the primary ball handlers of their teams. Rayj only had 2.9 APG, though, although that led the Broncos.

I am not trying to put down Worster. He had a very good freshman year. But he has a ways to go in several areas to be one of the conference’s leading PGs.



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Re: Worster 3 pt %

Post by OrangeCountyAggie » March 25th, 2021, 1:22 am

BigBlueDart wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 5:07 pm
He was at 28.4% on the season. In another thread somebody was comparing his overall stats to the Freshman year of other Aggie notables. The 3 point shooting seemed to be the biggest outlier in that group. My question is: Do we have any reason to believe that Rollie was or will be better than that? Anyone able to look up how he shot in high school? Anyone think that this is something he can drastically improve during the off-season.

I don't think that this one thing is what next season will pivot on, or anything, but I do think that a Rollie that can be accurate from 65 yards... err... 22 feet is something that would make a significant difference for the team.
You saw flashes this year of great shooting, playmaking, and defensive instincts. Luckily he has 4 more years of development ahead of him! He'll be a hell of a player sooner rather than later.



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Post by I am an Aggie Man » March 25th, 2021, 1:03 pm

There's promise for his 3-point shooting as he was solid, even elite at times in HS. These are his numbers

Senior - 33%
Junior - 41%
Soph - 38%
Fresh - 35%
OVERALL - 36.7%

He averaged around 5 attempts each season in HS.



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Post by dirtnsnow » March 25th, 2021, 1:53 pm

I am an Aggie Man wrote:
March 25th, 2021, 1:03 pm
There's promise for his 3-point shooting as he was solid, even elite at times in HS. These are his numbers

Senior - 33%
Junior - 41%
Soph - 38%
Fresh - 35%
OVERALL - 36.7%

He averaged around 5 attempts each season in HS.
5 attempts per season isn't a lot to go on.


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Re: Worster 3 pt %

Post by AggieFBObsession » March 25th, 2021, 2:35 pm

Strengthening his legs so that he has better endurance is a big part of his confidence and ability (especially 3pt shooting). Tough for a freshman, even though he played football too, to be ready for MWC level.



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Post by Aggie84025 » March 25th, 2021, 2:44 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote:
March 25th, 2021, 2:35 pm
Strengthening his legs so that he has better endurance is a big part of his confidence and ability (especially 3pt shooting). Tough for a freshman, even though he played football too, to be ready for MWC level.
A full off season with proper conditioning/nutrition will help him immensely.
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Post by sancho839 » March 25th, 2021, 3:14 pm

Yossarian wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 11:53 pm
utaggies wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 11:03 pm
Yossarian wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 6:40 pm
utaggies wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 6:22 pm
Aggie84025 wrote:
March 24th, 2021, 5:28 pm
I would say this is the biggest thing for worster to improve upon in the off season is his 3 pt. shooting. His defense was really good and was a good facilitator, but we need his 3 pt. shooting.
If he’s going to be our PG he’s also got to learn to take care of the ball better.
Worster was the primary ball handler for the team as a true freshman. I compared his scoring and shooting stats to other notable freshmen that have started at the guard/wing position in recent years in another thread. The only one on that list that was the primary ball handler for the bulk of the minutes on the team was Koby McEwen. Rollie averaged 3.5 assists and 2.5 turnovers per game this season (1.4 ratio). Koby average 3 assists and 2.6 turnovers per game (1.15 ratio). For a true freshman playing in a good league with much quicker, stronger, and better athletes, I would say he did very well. Yes, there were some freshman mistakes, but I expect that this ratio will only improve. There are a lot of seasoned college basketball players that do not have that good of a A:TO ratio as primary ball handlers.

Yes - he shooting percentage needs to improve. I have a feeling it will.

For comparison:

Bernard Rock as a junior had an A:TO ratio of 1.42 and Marcus Saxon as a junior had a ratio of 1.23. Those were both pretty good point guards.
If the sole metric to measure the value of a PG were the A:TO ratio Rollie would have been a below average MWC point guard this year. To be in the upper one-third of the conference his A:TO needs to be around 2.0 — not hovering around 1.4.
That's interesting.

An assist to turnover ratio of 2.0 (with a minimum of 3 assists per game) would put you in the top 16 on the all time USU list for a single season. So the top third of the mountain west this year would have made the top 15 all time for a single season. Unless, of course, you're counting everyone in the league and not the primary ball handlers and distributors that have at least 3 assists per game, like Worster?

Looking further, Worster was fifth in the league (and most among freshmen) in the league in assists per game. Only Williams and Maldonado from Wyoming, Stephens from CSU, and Sherfield from Nevada averaged more assists per game. This is great considering how poorly the team as a whole shot. I expect Worster to get better as he gets more experience.
Williams was also a freshman. You can tell because he won freshman of the year :joking:



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