Embarrassing

ususports · Post by **ususports** » November 25th, 2020, 10:47 pm

Aggieiester wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:18 pm
Anybody have an over/under on the number of losses until we have a Craig Smith only won because of Sam Merrill post?

I pick the under. The only reason Craig Smith won was because of Sam Merrill.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 25th, 2020, 10:54 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:44 pm

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:41 pm
We had embarrassing losses last year too but figured things out. This is a young team and they made showed it at times tonight. They also showed at times what they are capable of. Craig will figure it out.
This is accurate. I was impressed with the freshmen for the most part. I agree Craig will figure it out to some extent and we’ll have a respectable team.

I just don’t think VCU is a good team, which has me pretty concerned for the rest of the year.

I think my expectations of us being a conference contender and bubble team are probably a bit too high. I think we’ll know for sure tomorrow if we lose to South Dakota St and VCU gets drilled by WVU. Expectations will be readjusted downward, and I will stop freaking out.

Its one game, lets see how we respond. It is frustrating but we will improve.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » November 25th, 2020, 10:56 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:54 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:44 pm

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:41 pm
We had embarrassing losses last year too but figured things out. This is a young team and they made showed it at times tonight. They also showed at times what they are capable of. Craig will figure it out.
This is accurate. I was impressed with the freshmen for the most part. I agree Craig will figure it out to some extent and we’ll have a respectable team.

I just don’t think VCU is a good team, which has me pretty concerned for the rest of the year.

I think my expectations of us being a conference contender and bubble team are probably a bit too high. I think we’ll know for sure tomorrow if we lose to South Dakota St and VCU gets drilled by WVU. Expectations will be readjusted downward, and I will stop freaking out.
Its one game, lets see how we respond. It is frustrating but we will improve.

I agree — let’s see how good VCU is and how we respond tomorrow. I am not feeling hopeful though, and think my expectations for the season will probably be readjusted downward by the end of the weekend.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 25th, 2020, 11:01 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:56 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:54 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:44 pm

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:41 pm
We had embarrassing losses last year too but figured things out. This is a young team and they made showed it at times tonight. They also showed at times what they are capable of. Craig will figure it out.
This is accurate. I was impressed with the freshmen for the most part. I agree Craig will figure it out to some extent and we’ll have a respectable team.

I just don’t think VCU is a good team, which has me pretty concerned for the rest of the year.

I think my expectations of us being a conference contender and bubble team are probably a bit too high. I think we’ll know for sure tomorrow if we lose to South Dakota St and VCU gets drilled by WVU. Expectations will be readjusted downward, and I will stop freaking out.
Its one game, lets see how we respond. It is frustrating but we will improve.
I agree — let’s see how good VCU is and how we respond tomorrow. I am not feeling hopeful though, and think my expectations for the season will probably be readjusted downward by the end of the weekend.

SDSU is a good team, if we can beat them it will be a solid win. I believe there starting 5 all returned from last years team.

Aggie75 · Post by **Aggie75** » November 25th, 2020, 11:09 pm

They had a lot of freshmen and we had a lot of freshmen. Tonight theirs were definitely better than ours. Tomorrow is going to be a challenge.

Chod · Post by **Chod** » November 25th, 2020, 11:10 pm

ususports wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:47 pm

Aggieiester wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:18 pm
Anybody have an over/under on the number of losses until we have a Craig Smith only won because of Sam Merrill post?
I pick the under. The only reason Craig Smith won was because of Sam Merrill.

And there were games that he won because of Bean or Queta. #PlayersMakePlays

stang · Post by **stang** » November 25th, 2020, 11:20 pm

coolag wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:30 pm

stang wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:12 pm
How did I know I was going to come on this board and find a thread EXACTLY like this?
I don't know why don't you tell us? And if you don't like it don't read it.

If you don't like me expressing my annoyance at hyperbole, don't read it.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » November 25th, 2020, 11:26 pm

stang wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 11:20 pm

coolag wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:30 pm

stang wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:12 pm
How did I know I was going to come on this board and find a thread EXACTLY like this?
I don't know why don't you tell us? And if you don't like it don't read it.
If you don't like me expressing my annoyance at hyperbole, don't read it.

I don’t think there is any hyperbole in my initial post. It is embarrassing for any team, let alone the two-time MW champs, to get bludgeoned down the stretch like they did tonight. Particularly against a team as “meh” as I think that VCU team will end up being. They went from being in control of the game to completely out of it in just a few minutes. We don’t seem like a team that will contend with that SDSU team that played tonight.

Saying Marco was disappointing may have been closer to an understatement than hyperbole. I hope he shows much better tomorrow.

It was not hyperbole to say Worster was a bright spot. I’ll throw in Ashworth too. About as much as you can expect from two freshmen guards in a first game.

Of course the season is not over, but there is cause for concern.

AGGIEinIOWA · Post by **AGGIEinIOWA** » November 25th, 2020, 11:33 pm

That was a tough matchup for a couple freshmen guards to cut their teeth on. Invaluable experience but I prefer getting both experience and the W. Our next two games will be against teams more like us and we should be able to run half court stuff.

OrangeCountyAggie · Post by **OrangeCountyAggie** » November 25th, 2020, 11:42 pm

I hate beating a dead horse but Miller is still killing us out there! He made a few decent plays but the rest of the time he was getting beat repeatably on defense and he kept chucking 'em up. The announcer made the comment after he finally hit a late shot, "nice to see Miller put one down - I know he's been trying for a while."

Why did Liam only get like 30 seconds of playing time? Ditto for the three euros, they're supposed to be uber-talented, let's see what they can do!

Real Life Aggie · Post by **Real Life Aggie** » November 26th, 2020, 12:18 am

SLB wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:38 pm

Aggieiester wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:30 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:00 pm
My beef was when the refs stop calling fouls on VCU for a long period of time starting in the 1st half. We made VCU commit so many fouls in reality that VCU should have had their coaching staff ready to suit up. Refs wanted VCU to win, and they got their wish.
Any proof on this or is it just crybaby loser stuff?
No fouls until VCU had a good lead looks like clear bias. We had a number of weak fouls called on us.

That's not how this works. The refs aren't out to get us. There were some calls (or lack thereof) for and against us that didn't seem great to me, but nothing egregious.

MetsJetsAggies · Post by **MetsJetsAggies** » November 26th, 2020, 4:45 am

Meh. Gave us 2 days notice we were playing a high press team, running 2 freshman at PG....and blew a double digit late 2nd half lead. Most disappointed that Anderson and Anthony were almost invisible out there, when we really need both to step up to replace Sam offensively. During the drought it killed us not having a guy out there to stop the bleeding

Interested to see how we bounce back the next 2, think they come out with something to prove tomorrow

coolag · Post by **coolag** » November 26th, 2020, 5:42 am

stang wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 11:20 pm

coolag wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:30 pm

stang wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:12 pm
How did I know I was going to come on this board and find a thread EXACTLY like this?
I don't know why don't you tell us? And if you don't like it don't read it.
If you don't like me expressing my annoyance at hyperbole, don't read it.

How did I know I was was going to come back and find a response EXACTLY like this? See how that works? Oh and yes the last 10 minutes of that game were embarrassing.

KissMyAg · Post by **KissMyAg** » November 26th, 2020, 6:37 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 9:47 pm
Run out of the gym by a bunch of VCU freshman picked NINTH in the A-10. Wheels really fell off.

Don’t think we are a contender in the MW.

Rollie was a bright spot. Marco was a major disappointment.

Inept... why are you always so negative?

KissMyAg · Post by **KissMyAg** » November 26th, 2020, 6:42 am

stang wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:12 pm
How did I know I was going to come on this board and find a thread EXACTLY like this?

Because the only people who post anymore are negative little (I can't express myself without swearing).

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » November 26th, 2020, 6:50 am

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 11:42 pm
I hate beating a dead horse but Miller is still killing us out there! He made a few decent plays but the rest of the time he was getting beat repeatably on defense and he kept chucking 'em up. The announcer made the comment after he finally hit a late shot, "nice to see Miller put one down - I know he's been trying for a while."

Why did Liam only get like 30 seconds of playing time? Ditto for the three euros, they're supposed to be uber-talented, let's see what they can do!

Yeah I hate it when the 3 point specialist shoots 40% from 3. Totally lost because of Miller.

mcaggie1 · Post by **mcaggie1** » November 26th, 2020, 7:30 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:44 pm

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 10:41 pm
We had embarrassing losses last year too but figured things out. This is a young team and they made showed it at times tonight. They also showed at times what they are capable of. Craig will figure it out.
This is accurate. I was impressed with the freshmen for the most part. I agree Craig will figure it out to some extent and we’ll have a respectable team.

I just don’t think VCU is a good team, which has me pretty concerned for the rest of the year.

I think my expectations of us being a conference contender and bubble team are probably a bit too high. I think we’ll know for sure tomorrow if we lose to South Dakota St and VCU gets drilled by WVU. Expectations will be readjusted downward, and I will stop freaking out.

I agree. VCU I would say is an average team....and we have some decent young players. But the difference between the two teams is that VCU is faster, quicker and more athletic than we are. My worry is you can’t coach quickness and speed. Only find ways to compensate for them. That is Craig’s biggest challenge, IMO.

Usu0505 · Post by **Usu0505** » November 26th, 2020, 7:30 am

MetsJetsAggies wrote:Meh. Gave us 2 days notice we were playing a high press team, running 2 freshman at PG....and blew a double digit late 2nd half lead. Most disappointed that Anderson and Anthony were almost invisible out there, when we really need both to step up to replace Sam offensively. During the drought it killed us not having a guy out there to stop the bleeding

Interested to see how we bounce back the next 2, think they come out with something to prove tomorrow

Agreed. I thought they looked impressive for 30 minutes. God awful last 10 yeah, but to say there was nothing to build on is incorrect.

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ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » November 26th, 2020, 7:35 am

KissMyAg wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2020, 6:37 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 9:47 pm
Run out of the gym by a bunch of VCU freshman picked NINTH in the A-10. Wheels really fell off.

Don’t think we are a contender in the MW.

Rollie was a bright spot. Marco was a major disappointment.
Inept... why are you always so negative?

Why is anyone the way that they are? I can spiral man, no doubt. Working through the cognitive dissonance of the team I expected to see (which was there through 60% of the game) and the team I saw completely fall apart down the stretch. Marco is the biggest reason I feel like my expectations will need to be adjusted. He was just.... not as advertised and I don’t think he has the skillset to be what we need him to be for us to be a tourney team. Time will tell if I am judging him too early.

Once my expectations are downgraded, I tend to be much less manic.

It’s been a rough year in just about every sense, which doesn’t help at all. I have a stressful job in which I always have to maintain composure. Sports are usually a nice reprieve for me, and a way to let out some of the pent up frustration from other areas of life when things go south.

Imagine how optimistic you’d be having your teams be USU and Kansas? A combined ZERO football wins (or even competitive games this season with no signs of that changing). Kansas basketball — a usual bright spot — is a breath away from multi-year NCAA sanctions.

USU basketball was the one I expected to be a bright spot in my fandom. And then they start the season by laying the biggest second half egg against a team I don’t think is any good.

So, I’m going to take a break today from USU sports. My mental health needs it, and you all need a break from me. Consider it my Thanksgiving gift to myself and you all. There’s a decent chance of adding to the misery with losses to a Summit League team and freaking New Mexico.

mcaggie1 · Post by **mcaggie1** » November 26th, 2020, 7:39 am

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 11:42 pm
I hate beating a dead horse but Miller is still killing us out there! He made a few decent plays but the rest of the time he was getting beat repeatably on defense and he kept chucking 'em up. The announcer made the comment after he finally hit a late shot, "nice to see Miller put one down - I know he's been trying for a while."

Why did Liam only get like 30 seconds of playing time? Ditto for the three euros, they're supposed to be uber-talented, let's see what they can do!

Miller didn’t kill us as much as Marco. Miller was 2 for 5 from 3 point line. Not great but not horrible either. VCU was young but faster and quicker than us. Yet a Miller, I thought, was at least average with his defense. Marco is supposed to be our quicker guy, but his defense was atrocious.

2004AG · Post by **2004AG** » November 26th, 2020, 8:13 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2020, 7:35 am

KissMyAg wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2020, 6:37 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 9:47 pm
Run out of the gym by a bunch of VCU freshman picked NINTH in the A-10. Wheels really fell off.

Don’t think we are a contender in the MW.

Rollie was a bright spot. Marco was a major disappointment.
Inept... why are you always so negative?
Why is anyone the way that they are? I can spiral man, no doubt. Working through the cognitive dissonance of the team I expected to see (which was there through 60% of the game) and the team I saw completely fall apart down the stretch. Marco is the biggest reason I feel like my expectations will need to be adjusted. He was just.... not as advertised and I don’t think he has the skillset to be what we need him to be for us to be a tourney team. Time will tell if I am judging him too early.

Once my expectations are downgraded, I tend to be much less manic.

It’s been a rough year in just about every sense, which doesn’t help at all. I have a stressful job in which I always have to maintain composure. Sports are usually a nice reprieve for me, and a way to let out some of the pent up frustration from other areas of life when things go south.

Imagine how optimistic you’d be having your teams be USU and Kansas? A combined ZERO football wins (or even competitive games this season with no signs of that changing). Kansas basketball — a usual bright spot — is a breath away from multi-year NCAA sanctions.

USU basketball was the one I expected to be a bright spot in my fandom. And then they start the season by laying the biggest second half egg against a team I don’t think is any good.

So, I’m going to take a break today from USU sports. My mental health needs it, and you all need a break from me. Consider it my Thanksgiving gift to myself and you all. There’s a decent chance of adding to the misery with losses to a Summit League team and freaking New Mexico.

Ah, don't let them get you down. Sometimes life isn't all roses and butterflies.

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » November 26th, 2020, 8:17 am

Inept one suggestion. Have some turkey and choose to watch the basketball game tonight while eating your second helping of pie.

I appreciate the passion you have for aggie athletics and can understand the frustration of being a fan.

Go aggies!

aggiesdotcom · Post by **aggiesdotcom** » November 26th, 2020, 8:24 am

I want to present another possibility, now hear me out, I 'm not saying coach Smith lost this game but is it possible that he intentionally didn't make some obvious adjustments or call time outs to stop the bleeding because he wanted to see which players could make adjustments on their own...and he did so as a matter of scouting for future more important situations? I felt he was more hands off than usual, remember, we don't have much of a preseason so some of these tweeks need to be worked out in high pressure situations where the stakes are higher than had it been a first game against Adams State. I'm confident Coach Smith knows what he's doing and we'll be ready for conference play once again.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 26th, 2020, 9:30 am

mcaggie1 wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2020, 7:39 am

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
November 25th, 2020, 11:42 pm
I hate beating a dead horse but Miller is still killing us out there! He made a few decent plays but the rest of the time he was getting beat repeatably on defense and he kept chucking 'em up. The announcer made the comment after he finally hit a late shot, "nice to see Miller put one down - I know he's been trying for a while."

Why did Liam only get like 30 seconds of playing time? Ditto for the three euros, they're supposed to be uber-talented, let's see what they can do!
Miller didn’t kill us as much as Marco. Miller was 2 for 5 from 3 point line. Not great but not horrible either. VCU was young but faster and quicker than us. Yet a Miller, I thought, was at least average with his defense. Marco is supposed to be our quicker guy, but his defense was atrocious.

Yeah Miller did not hurt us in fact I would say that if we can get a eight points out of him a game and he shoots close to 40% from 3 we would take that any day of the week.

Yeah my expectations for Anthony were so much higher because I kept hearing from reports in practice that he was a great defender and last night it seems like he got beat four five times for layups.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 26th, 2020, 9:31 am

aggiesdotcom wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2020, 8:24 am
I want to present another possibility, now hear me out, I 'm not saying coach Smith lost this game but is it possible that he intentionally didn't make some obvious adjustments or call time outs to stop the bleeding because he wanted to see which players could make adjustments on their own...and he did so as a matter of scouting for future more important situations? I felt he was more hands off than usual, remember, we don't have much of a preseason so some of these tweeks need to be worked out in high pressure situations where the stakes are higher than had it been a first game against Adams State. I'm confident Coach Smith knows what he's doing and we'll be ready for conference play once again.

Those are actually some good points and he even mentioned that a little bit in the post game interview. He mentioned that he should have made some adjustments and that he needed to shore up some of the rotations. Seems like he was trying to give a lot of different players multiple minutes.

bwcrc · Post by **bwcrc** » November 26th, 2020, 10:01 am

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Imagine how optimistic you’d be having your teams be USU and Kansas? A combined ZERO football wins (or even competitive games this season with no signs of that changing). Kansas basketball — a usual bright spot — is a breath away from multi-year NCAA sanctions.
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I feel your pain with football. As a Penn State alum for my grad degree, I never thought I would see Penn State start out any football season 0-5. I've seen it at USU but still did not expect anything like this season after the last decade.

The basketball team will work through it and be firing on all cylinders in the near future. I fully expect USU will be at least safely in the bubble discussion by the end of the season, if not being discussed as a more certain at-large team.

bluegrouse · Post by **bluegrouse** » November 26th, 2020, 10:38 am

We had the most epic meltdown I can ever remember last year at Boise State with a much more experienced team and the year ended with us beating the #5 team in the country and winning our second conference tournament in a row.

We have eight freshmen on our roster of sixteen. We had two days to prepare for a new team. We’ve had three weeks of practice instead of the normal eight to integrate nine players who have never played for us. We lost arguably the best player we’ve had in over fifty years. And yet we looked good to very good for 3/4 of the game. Yes, we panicked at the end. We’ll learn from it.

Maybe, just maybe, everyone should take a deep breath and relax just a little bit before writing off the team and the whole season after 10 minutes of bad ball.

Bank Shot · Post by **Bank Shot** » November 26th, 2020, 10:47 am

With the athleticism that VCU had it's impossible to replicate in practice with our personnel. I don't care if you had 3 months to prepare for that press that you can't simulate it even closely in practice. This young team needed to see that kind of situation to be better prepared down the road.

Agzrule · Post by **Agzrule** » November 26th, 2020, 11:10 am

My biggest concern is Queta, he should have dominated that game last night, instead he was shooting while going away from the rim, he needs to be a force instead he is soft

cval · Post by **cval** » November 26th, 2020, 11:27 am

Agzrule wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2020, 11:10 am
My biggest concern is Queta, he should have dominated that game last night, instead he was shooting while going away from the rim, he needs to be a force instead he is soft

I would guess that this conversation with Coach Smith has already taken place.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » November 26th, 2020, 11:30 am

I feel your pain with football. As a Penn State alum for my grad degree, I never thought I would see Penn State start out any football season 0-5. I've seen it at USU but still did not expect anything like this season after the last decade.

The basketball team will work through it and be firing on all cylinders in the near future. I fully expect USU will be at least safely in the bubble discussion by the end of the season, if not being discussed as a more certain at-large team.

That’s rough man. PSU was supposed to be good this year too. That makes it even worse.

nswaggie · Post by **nswaggie** » November 26th, 2020, 12:55 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2020, 9:31 am

aggiesdotcom wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2020, 8:24 am
I want to present another possibility, now hear me out, I 'm not saying coach Smith lost this game but is it possible that he intentionally didn't make some obvious adjustments or call time outs to stop the bleeding because he wanted to see which players could make adjustments on their own...and he did so as a matter of scouting for future more important situations? I felt he was more hands off than usual, remember, we don't have much of a preseason so some of these tweeks need to be worked out in high pressure situations where the stakes are higher than had it been a first game against Adams State. I'm confident Coach Smith knows what he's doing and we'll be ready for conference play once again.
Those are actually some good points and he even mentioned that a little bit in the post game interview. He mentioned that he should have made some adjustments and that he needed to shore up some of the rotations. Seems like he was trying to give a lot of different players multiple minutes.

There was a stretch in the first half where I felt like coach Smith could have been building a lead but was content putting almost an entire second unit out on the floor. I felt like he got out coached, and they were ready for our 1-3-1 zone. That being said I understand the difficulty of developing players in real time and giving them all a shot. He was trying to balance player development and winning, and it backfired on him. Win first.

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » November 26th, 2020, 1:23 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2020, 11:30 am

I feel your pain with football. As a Penn State alum for my grad degree, I never thought I would see Penn State start out any football season 0-5. I've seen it at USU but still did not expect anything like this season after the last decade.

The basketball team will work through it and be firing on all cylinders in the near future. I fully expect USU will be at least safely in the bubble discussion by the end of the season, if not being discussed as a more certain at-large team.
That’s rough man. PSU was supposed to be good this year too. That makes it even worse.

Your not really a ku football fan are you? I mean no one I’m around cares about ku football.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » November 26th, 2020, 1:27 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2020, 1:23 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 26th, 2020, 11:30 am

I feel your pain with football. As a Penn State alum for my grad degree, I never thought I would see Penn State start out any football season 0-5. I've seen it at USU but still did not expect anything like this season after the last decade.

The basketball team will work through it and be firing on all cylinders in the near future. I fully expect USU will be at least safely in the bubble discussion by the end of the season, if not being discussed as a more certain at-large team.
That’s rough man. PSU was supposed to be good this year too. That makes it even worse.
Your not really a ku football fan are you? I mean no one I’m around cares about ku football.

I am cursed with caring.

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