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Incoming freshmen

Post by SectionBAggie » May 21st, 2020, 1:50 pm

As many people are quick to point out, it is the usual case for an incoming freshman to struggle as they adjust to Division I basketball. I can think of a few exceptions to that scenario in my 40 years of watching Aggie Basketball. But in order to open the discussion, I leave it to others.

What players have you seen that were impact players during their freshman year at USU? I am open to accepting RS freshman in the discussion.



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by nvspuds » May 21st, 2020, 1:54 pm

Quetta..



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by AgMan21 » May 21st, 2020, 1:57 pm

Jaycee Carroll



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by AgMan21 » May 21st, 2020, 2:00 pm

I would say Tai Wesley as well.



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by Aggie in Boise » May 21st, 2020, 2:08 pm

- Sam Merrill
- Koby McEwen



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by Yossarian » May 21st, 2020, 2:15 pm

What would you consider an "impact" player? A starter? top 8 type of player? A minimum point/rebound average?

You could add guys like Pooh Williams, Tyler Newbold, Preston Medlin and Brock Miller to the names above. They all started as freshmen.



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by Yossarian » May 21st, 2020, 2:15 pm

I believe Brito started as a freshman, too, didn't he?



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by Aggie in Boise » May 21st, 2020, 2:17 pm

Tony Brown
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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by SLB » May 21st, 2020, 2:19 pm

Yossarian wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 2:15 pm
I believe Brito started as a freshman, too, didn't he?
Brito didn't start as a freshmen, and I got destroyed by this board that year by saying that Brito has potential and would be a future starter. :lol:
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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by SectionBAggie » May 21st, 2020, 2:25 pm

Leaving the definition of impact to the individual posters.

I like the list so far. Still more out there, though.



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by SLB » May 21st, 2020, 2:31 pm

SLB wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 2:19 pm
Yossarian wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 2:15 pm
I believe Brito started as a freshman, too, didn't he?
Brito didn't start as a freshmen, and I got destroyed by this board that year by saying that Brito has potential and would be a future starter. :lol:
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I found this thread for you all.
This is where the "B stands for" jokes started.



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by SectionBAggie » May 21st, 2020, 2:48 pm

Some predictions don’t age well.😉
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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by Yossarian » May 21st, 2020, 2:54 pm

Aggie in Boise wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 2:17 pm
Tony Brown
Kendall Youngblood
How far back are we going?

Eric Franson and Bryon Ruffner were both impactful freshmen.



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by SLB » May 21st, 2020, 2:57 pm

SectionBAggie wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 2:48 pm
Some predictions don’t age well.😉
Not everyday where no one was close to being right. :lol:
All the Brito predictions by everyone aged poorly.
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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by Yossarian » May 21st, 2020, 2:59 pm

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Post by Yossarian » May 21st, 2020, 3:01 pm

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Post by SectionBAggie » May 21st, 2020, 3:04 pm

40 years.

That would include Greg Grant. And Kevin Nixon.
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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by UStateTim » May 21st, 2020, 3:21 pm

The season Tai Wesley and Tyler Newbold were inserted into the starting lineup as freshman changed that season.
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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by UStateTim » May 21st, 2020, 3:23 pm

As far as TRUE freshman go, Queta is the only one I can think of on a winning team.



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by Yossarian » May 21st, 2020, 4:10 pm

UStateTim wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 3:23 pm
As far as TRUE freshman go, Queta is the only one I can think of on a winning team.
In Carroll's freshman season, he averaged over 14 points and 4 rebounds per game and USU won the Big West Tournament and made the NCAAT. The Agges went 24-8 on the year. I would consider that a winning team.



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by Sl7vk » May 21st, 2020, 4:27 pm

Yossarian wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:10 pm
UStateTim wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 3:23 pm
As far as TRUE freshman go, Queta is the only one I can think of on a winning team.
In Carroll's freshman season, he averaged over 14 points and 4 rebounds per game and USU won the Big West Tournament and made the NCAAT. The Agges went 24-8 on the year. I would consider that a winning team.
He was by definition a true freshman, but hadn't he just served a mission?
That is to say, he wasn't 18 years old.



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by Aglicious » May 21st, 2020, 5:07 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:27 pm
Yossarian wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:10 pm
UStateTim wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 3:23 pm
As far as TRUE freshman go, Queta is the only one I can think of on a winning team.
In Carroll's freshman season, he averaged over 14 points and 4 rebounds per game and USU won the Big West Tournament and made the NCAAT. The Agges went 24-8 on the year. I would consider that a winning team.
He was by definition a true freshman, but hadn't he just served a mission?
That is to say, he wasn't 18 years old.
Yeah, I would agree that when most people say "true freshman" they are implying that the player was in HS the previous year.



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by aggies22 » May 21st, 2020, 5:37 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:27 pm
Yossarian wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:10 pm
UStateTim wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 3:23 pm
As far as TRUE freshman go, Queta is the only one I can think of on a winning team.
In Carroll's freshman season, he averaged over 14 points and 4 rebounds per game and USU won the Big West Tournament and made the NCAAT. The Agges went 24-8 on the year. I would consider that a winning team.
He was by definition a true freshman, but hadn't he just served a mission?
That is to say, he wasn't 18 years old.
I would dare say that coming off serving a mission is more difficult than coming in as a freshman out of high school.
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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » May 21st, 2020, 6:12 pm

aggies22 wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 5:37 pm
Sl7vk wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:27 pm
Yossarian wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:10 pm
UStateTim wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 3:23 pm
As far as TRUE freshman go, Queta is the only one I can think of on a winning team.
In Carroll's freshman season, he averaged over 14 points and 4 rebounds per game and USU won the Big West Tournament and made the NCAAT. The Agges went 24-8 on the year. I would consider that a winning team.
He was by definition a true freshman, but hadn't he just served a mission?
That is to say, he wasn't 18 years old.
I would dare say that coming off serving a mission is more difficult than coming in as a freshman out of high school.
Jaycee Carroll was great, but by the time our season ended against Arizona he was less than a month away from turning 22. Hard to consider him a true freshman.



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by Yossarian » May 21st, 2020, 6:14 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 6:12 pm
aggies22 wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 5:37 pm
Sl7vk wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:27 pm
Yossarian wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:10 pm
UStateTim wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 3:23 pm
As far as TRUE freshman go, Queta is the only one I can think of on a winning team.
In Carroll's freshman season, he averaged over 14 points and 4 rebounds per game and USU won the Big West Tournament and made the NCAAT. The Agges went 24-8 on the year. I would consider that a winning team.
He was by definition a true freshman, but hadn't he just served a mission?
That is to say, he wasn't 18 years old.
I would dare say that coming off serving a mission is more difficult than coming in as a freshman out of high school.
Jaycee Carroll was great, but by the time our season ended against Arizona he was less than a month away from turning 22. Hard to consider him a true freshman.
Fair enough. I guess I misunderstood the premise of the original question. You all win..... again.



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by troutputz » May 21st, 2020, 6:15 pm

Estes, Nate Williams, Jeff Tebbs, Marv Roberts would have been some of the most impactful players, but freshman were not allowed to play on varsity. They just had a freshman team which was kinda cool because every home game I was going to with my old Pop was a double header. Freshman played at 5:30 varsoity was 8:05 pm.
In a lot of ways it was cool because we always saw what our future was going to be like. UCLA’s team with Lew Alcindor (Kareem Jabbar), beat the vdarsity in the annual freshman varsity match up. I feel back then because of the freshman rule it made a Jr. College player all the more important. Shailer Halimon comes to mind.
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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » May 21st, 2020, 6:23 pm

Yossarian wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 6:14 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 6:12 pm
aggies22 wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 5:37 pm
Sl7vk wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:27 pm
Yossarian wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:10 pm
UStateTim wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 3:23 pm
As far as TRUE freshman go, Queta is the only one I can think of on a winning team.
In Carroll's freshman season, he averaged over 14 points and 4 rebounds per game and USU won the Big West Tournament and made the NCAAT. The Agges went 24-8 on the year. I would consider that a winning team.
He was by definition a true freshman, but hadn't he just served a mission?
That is to say, he wasn't 18 years old.
I would dare say that coming off serving a mission is more difficult than coming in as a freshman out of high school.
Jaycee Carroll was great, but by the time our season ended against Arizona he was less than a month away from turning 22. Hard to consider him a true freshman.
Fair enough. I guess I misunderstood the premise of the original question. You all win..... again.
Nah you won by pointing out a great player that helped us make the tournament as a freshman! :rock:
And I guess he could be described as a true freshman in that it was his first year on campus with 5 to play 4. I've also heard the definition of a true freshman being your first year out of high school. In that case he wouldn't be a true freshman.

Either way he was great as a freshman and he just resigned with Real Madrid. He is probably going to continue playing as a pro into his 40's. Good for him.



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by Yossarian » May 21st, 2020, 6:41 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 6:23 pm
Yossarian wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 6:14 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 6:12 pm
aggies22 wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 5:37 pm
Sl7vk wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:27 pm
Yossarian wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:10 pm
UStateTim wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 3:23 pm
As far as TRUE freshman go, Queta is the only one I can think of on a winning team.
In Carroll's freshman season, he averaged over 14 points and 4 rebounds per game and USU won the Big West Tournament and made the NCAAT. The Agges went 24-8 on the year. I would consider that a winning team.
He was by definition a true freshman, but hadn't he just served a mission?
That is to say, he wasn't 18 years old.
I would dare say that coming off serving a mission is more difficult than coming in as a freshman out of high school.
Jaycee Carroll was great, but by the time our season ended against Arizona he was less than a month away from turning 22. Hard to consider him a true freshman.
Fair enough. I guess I misunderstood the premise of the original question. You all win..... again.
Nah you won by pointing out a great player that helped us make the tournament as a freshman! :rock:
And I guess he could be described as a true freshman in that it was his first year on campus with 5 to play 4. I've also heard the definition of a true freshman being your first year out of high school. In that case he wouldn't be a true freshman.

Either way he was great as a freshman and he just resigned with Real Madrid. He is probably going to continue playing as a pro into his 40's. Good for him.

He just "resigned" or "re-signed"? I thought he was retiring this year?


Is there a distinction between playing high school basketball in the year before your freshman season and playing "no" basketball the year before your freshman season?



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by aggies22 » May 21st, 2020, 10:02 pm

Yossarian wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 6:41 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 6:23 pm
Yossarian wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 6:14 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 6:12 pm
aggies22 wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 5:37 pm
Sl7vk wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:27 pm
Yossarian wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 4:10 pm
UStateTim wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 3:23 pm
As far as TRUE freshman go, Queta is the only one I can think of on a winning team.
In Carroll's freshman season, he averaged over 14 points and 4 rebounds per game and USU won the Big West Tournament and made the NCAAT. The Agges went 24-8 on the year. I would consider that a winning team.
He was by definition a true freshman, but hadn't he just served a mission?
That is to say, he wasn't 18 years old.
I would dare say that coming off serving a mission is more difficult than coming in as a freshman out of high school.
Jaycee Carroll was great, but by the time our season ended against Arizona he was less than a month away from turning 22. Hard to consider him a true freshman.
Fair enough. I guess I misunderstood the premise of the original question. You all win..... again.
Nah you won by pointing out a great player that helped us make the tournament as a freshman! :rock:
And I guess he could be described as a true freshman in that it was his first year on campus with 5 to play 4. I've also heard the definition of a true freshman being your first year out of high school. In that case he wouldn't be a true freshman.

Either way he was great as a freshman and he just resigned with Real Madrid. He is probably going to continue playing as a pro into his 40's. Good for him.

He just "resigned" or "re-signed"? I thought he was retiring this year?


Is there a distinction between playing high school basketball in the year before your freshman season and playing "no" basketball the year before your freshman season?
A true freshman is a player using his first year of eligibility. He could be straight out of high school, an RM, or 50 years old. Jaycee Carroll was a true freshman. Period.
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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by MarioWest » May 22nd, 2020, 7:36 am

Jalen Moore didn't start but played a pretty big role in Stew's last year. You could argue he should have played more (no pun intended).
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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by MarioWest » May 22nd, 2020, 7:44 am

aggies22 wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 5:37 pm
I would dare say that coming off serving a mission is more difficult than coming in as a freshman out of high school.
I don't think you can make a blanket statement about which is more difficult. It varies by the athlete. Some benefit from the additional years of physical growth. Some are hindered by the time away from organized sports.



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Post by brownjeans » May 22nd, 2020, 7:53 am

Unless a guy grows 5 inches, missions are rarely a benefit in basketball. Especially as with Jaycee and Sam. They both went to countries that don't do basketball. I don't think either of them touched a basketball for two years.
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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by USU78 » May 22nd, 2020, 7:54 am

brownjeans wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 7:53 am
Unless a guy grows 5 inches, missions are rarely a benefit in basketball.
And, therefore, the effects are effectively neutral.


You keep using that word. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

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Post by aggies22 » May 22nd, 2020, 8:33 am

MarioWest wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 7:44 am
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May 21st, 2020, 5:37 pm
I would dare say that coming off serving a mission is more difficult than coming in as a freshman out of high school.
I don't think you can make a blanket statement about which is more difficult. It varies by the athlete. Some benefit from the additional years of physical growth. Some are hindered by the time away from organized sports.
I'm not really sure how that is considered a "blanket statement"? I didn't use any term that would be considered an absolute. I didn't say "always". I simply issued my opinion on which situation could be considered more difficult for a first-year collegiate athlete. There will almost always be exceptions to the rule. Such as Jaycee Carroll. You also see kids straight out of high school do well immediately.

I suppose that's why I stated "I would dare say". Although I'm not sure, you're not sure, and neither is anyone else. My point was if a kid chooses to serve a mission, often times the rigors of the mission do not allow the kid to stay in shape and maintain the skills needed for their particular sport. Upon returning home they often need a redshirt season to regain their athletic stamina and bring their sport-specific ability back to the level needed for a collegiate athlete. A freshman coming directly out of high school would at least have the benefit of the continuity in training.



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Re: Incoming freshmen

Post by usubobcat » May 22nd, 2020, 8:49 am

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As many people are quick to point out, it is the usual case for an incoming freshman to struggle as they adjust to Division I basketball. I can think of a few exceptions to that scenario in my 40 years of watching Aggie Basketball. But in order to open the discussion, I leave it to others.

What players have you seen that were impact players during their freshman year at USU? I am open to accepting RS freshman in the discussion.
What about our current crop of incoming and RS freshmen? Obviously nobody has a crystal ball to look into the future and say with absolute certainty who is going to be an important contributor to our next team (see the Brito and Bean discussions as examples). But I would love to hear what people's guesses are for this group - whether they're educated guesses or not.


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