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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by Chatman » May 15th, 2020, 9:55 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
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If Abel Porter can play at Ohio State, this guy can play at Utah State.


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I want Gach at USU, but to be fair (and I know I'll get criticism for this) but I don't think Porter can play at Ohio State. I'd be surprised if he plays meaningful minutes for them next year.
Not sure why not, he would be a great option as a back up point guard who has experience as a starter on a top 20 team and two time MWC champion. To say otherwise sells the entire program short.



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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by Olderthandirt » May 15th, 2020, 11:40 pm

Chatman wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 9:55 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 7:48 pm
2004AG wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 12:46 pm
If Abel Porter can play at Ohio State, this guy can play at Utah State.


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I want Gach at USU, but to be fair (and I know I'll get criticism for this) but I don't think Porter can play at Ohio State. I'd be surprised if he plays meaningful minutes for them next year.
Not sure why not, he would be a great option as a back up point guard who has experience as a starter on a top 20 team and two time MWC champion. To say otherwise sells the entire program short.
I figured Porter went there for a graduate program we didn't offer. No knowledge whatsoever.
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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » May 16th, 2020, 8:23 am

Chatman wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 9:55 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 7:48 pm
2004AG wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 12:46 pm
If Abel Porter can play at Ohio State, this guy can play at Utah State.


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I want Gach at USU, but to be fair (and I know I'll get criticism for this) but I don't think Porter can play at Ohio State. I'd be surprised if he plays meaningful minutes for them next year.
Not sure why not, he would be a great option as a back up point guard who has experience as a starter on a top 20 team and two time MWC champion. To say otherwise sells the entire program short.
I don't know the makeup of their team, but I don't see Porter being a big contributor if they are going to compete for a Big 10 title. He averaged 5.6 pts a game on 38% shooting and 3 assists a game at USU last year. He was 9th on our team last year in player efficiency rating. He was 6th in our team in win shares. It is not selling our program short to believe he is replaceable or that he won't be a serious contributor for Ohio State.
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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by UStateTim » May 16th, 2020, 12:47 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 8:23 am
Chatman wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 9:55 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 7:48 pm
2004AG wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 12:46 pm
If Abel Porter can play at Ohio State, this guy can play at Utah State.


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I want Gach at USU, but to be fair (and I know I'll get criticism for this) but I don't think Porter can play at Ohio State. I'd be surprised if he plays meaningful minutes for them next year.
Not sure why not, he would be a great option as a back up point guard who has experience as a starter on a top 20 team and two time MWC champion. To say otherwise sells the entire program short.
I don't know the makeup of their team, but I don't see Porter being a big contributor if they are going to compete for a Big 10 title. He averaged 5.6 pts a game on 38% shooting and 3 assists a game at USU last year. He was 9th on our team last year in player efficiency rating. He was 6th in our team in win shares. It is not selling our program short to believe he is replaceable or that he won't be a serious contributor for Ohio State.
Playing with a hurt back might have something to do with those numbers. Abel is solid, not great. My guess is he’ll be a solid backup



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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by 2004AG » May 16th, 2020, 5:13 pm

Chatman wrote:
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 7:48 pm
2004AG wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 12:46 pm
If Abel Porter can play at Ohio State, this guy can play at Utah State.


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I want Gach at USU, but to be fair (and I know I'll get criticism for this) but I don't think Porter can play at Ohio State. I'd be surprised if he plays meaningful minutes for them next year.
Not sure why not, he would be a great option as a back up point guard who has experience as a starter on a top 20 team and two time MWC champion. To say otherwise sells the entire program short.

Because he’s not very good. The team was good because he played with arguably the best Aggie ever.


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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by Aggie19 » May 16th, 2020, 5:28 pm

2004AG wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 5:13 pm
Chatman wrote:
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 7:48 pm
2004AG wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 12:46 pm
If Abel Porter can play at Ohio State, this guy can play at Utah State.


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I want Gach at USU, but to be fair (and I know I'll get criticism for this) but I don't think Porter can play at Ohio State. I'd be surprised if he plays meaningful minutes for them next year.
Not sure why not, he would be a great option as a back up point guard who has experience as a starter on a top 20 team and two time MWC champion. To say otherwise sells the entire program short.

Because he’s not very good. The team was good because he played with arguably the best Aggie ever.


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He's good enough. If you want a mature leader who will be a good influence on a group of young men, relieve your starters for 4-6 minutes a night and is someone that I know I don't have to worry about off the court.... yeah, I'll take him.


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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » May 16th, 2020, 7:32 pm

2004AG wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 5:13 pm
Chatman wrote:
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 7:48 pm
2004AG wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 12:46 pm
If Abel Porter can play at Ohio State, this guy can play at Utah State.


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I want Gach at USU, but to be fair (and I know I'll get criticism for this) but I don't think Porter can play at Ohio State. I'd be surprised if he plays meaningful minutes for them next year.
Not sure why not, he would be a great option as a back up point guard who has experience as a starter on a top 20 team and two time MWC champion. To say otherwise sells the entire program short.

Because he’s not very good. The team was good because he played with arguably the best Aggie ever.


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I would say 2 of the best Aggies ever. If Queta stays healthy next year he will be all conference for the 3rd year in a row and possibly player of the year. His resume could stack up with the all time greats in Aggie history.



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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by hipsterdoofus21 » May 16th, 2020, 9:33 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 7:32 pm
2004AG wrote:
May 16th, 2020, 5:13 pm
Chatman wrote:
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 7:48 pm
2004AG wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 12:46 pm
If Abel Porter can play at Ohio State, this guy can play at Utah State.


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I want Gach at USU, but to be fair (and I know I'll get criticism for this) but I don't think Porter can play at Ohio State. I'd be surprised if he plays meaningful minutes for them next year.
Not sure why not, he would be a great option as a back up point guard who has experience as a starter on a top 20 team and two time MWC champion. To say otherwise sells the entire program short.

Because he’s not very good. The team was good because he played with arguably the best Aggie ever.


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I would say 2 of the best Aggies ever. If Queta stays healthy next year he will be all conference for the 3rd year in a row and possibly player of the year. His resume could stack up with the all time greats in Aggie history.
This. When healthy Quetta is the most dominate big we’ve ever had.
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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by mcaggie1 » May 17th, 2020, 8:21 am

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I like him. He seems to have a lot of different tools in his toolbox.
Most the Ute players are inefficient - so I think that's a symptom of the coach and system. Gach would become more efficient playing for Smith.

I kind of agree with you. I get real nervous though about his 3 pt shooting. 25% last year, but dipped to 19% in conference play........ AND at one point missed 21 straight. I don’t think Miller has ever missed that many in a row. Who knows, maybe Coach Smith can relax him and give him more confidence, and get him shooting much better.



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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by aggies22 » May 17th, 2020, 10:32 am

mcaggie1 wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 8:21 am
brownjeans wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 2:17 pm
I like him. He seems to have a lot of different tools in his toolbox.
Most the Ute players are inefficient - so I think that's a symptom of the coach and system. Gach would become more efficient playing for Smith.

I kind of agree with you. I get real nervous though about his 3 pt shooting. 25% last year, but dipped to 19% in conference play........ AND at one point missed 21 straight. I don’t think Miller has ever missed that many in a row. Who knows, maybe Coach Smith can relax him and give him more confidence, and get him shooting much better.
Perhaps he drew one of the opposing teams better defenders and that affected his percentage? Maybe his team was so bad he forced a lot of bad shots? At Utah State he wouldn't need to be option #1 or #2.



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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by SLB » May 17th, 2020, 10:46 am

aggies22 wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 10:32 am
mcaggie1 wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 8:21 am
brownjeans wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 2:17 pm
I like him. He seems to have a lot of different tools in his toolbox.
Most the Ute players are inefficient - so I think that's a symptom of the coach and system. Gach would become more efficient playing for Smith.

I kind of agree with you. I get real nervous though about his 3 pt shooting. 25% last year, but dipped to 19% in conference play........ AND at one point missed 21 straight. I don’t think Miller has ever missed that many in a row. Who knows, maybe Coach Smith can relax him and give him more confidence, and get him shooting much better.
Perhaps he drew one of the opposing teams better defenders and that affected his percentage? Maybe his team was so bad he forced a lot of bad shots? At Utah State he wouldn't need to be option #1 or #2.
I watched the highlights, and Utah was a master at 4 players standing still offense.
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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by Aggie in Boise » May 17th, 2020, 7:58 pm

I'm in the camp that would love to have Both on the team. I think that what he has done is quite impressive given that he was coached by the biggest douche-bag in all of college basketball. What's interesting is that his numbers from last year are very similar to Koby McEwens, a player that many on this board wish we still had.

Koby, 2019-20

GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
29 28.6 33.2 29.2 85.1 5.0 3.2 0.1 0.6 3.3 2.8 9.5

Both, 2019-20

GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
27 30.4 39.7 25.0 77.5 3.6 2.9 0.1 0.7 1.7 2.8 10.7
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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by FL350Aggie » May 17th, 2020, 10:56 pm

Aggie in Boise wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 7:58 pm
I'm in the camp that would love to have Both on the team. I think that what he has done is quite impressive given that he was coached by the biggest douche-bag in all of college basketball. What's interesting is that his numbers from last year are very similar to Koby McEwens, a player that many on this board wish we still had.

Koby, 2019-20

GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
29 28.6 33.2 29.2 85.1 5.0 3.2 0.1 0.6 3.3 2.8 9.5

Both, 2019-20

GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
27 30.4 39.7 25.0 77.5 3.6 2.9 0.1 0.7 1.7 2.8 10.7
I never had a problem with Abel. He is a solid point guard. He didn’t turn the ball over, solid defender, and ran the offense. He didn’t force shots and was able to attack the rim at times. Yes, 2018-2019 version of Porter was better. Obviously his back didn’t help this season. I definitely think he can contribute at Ohio State, apparently their coches think so too. I really don’t think overall there is that much of a talent difference between conferences anyhow. The upper echelon of the MWC is just as good as most teams out there.



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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by slcagg » May 18th, 2020, 6:31 am

https://www.deseret.com/2020/5/15/21260 ... rystkowiak

An article that speaks to a few things discussed on here. Granted I think the writer is is undervaluing the loss for Utah a little bit.



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Post by FL350Aggie » May 18th, 2020, 9:41 am

slcagg wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 6:31 am
https://www.deseret.com/2020/5/15/21260 ... rystkowiak

An article that speaks to a few things discussed on here. Granted I think the writer is is undervaluing the loss for Utah a little bit.
Yeah Sorensen sounds jaded. Must be a Ute fan and sick of losing all these top recruits. What a dumpster fire Yewt basketball is right now, and I absolutely love it. :scotsman:
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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by mcaggie1 » May 18th, 2020, 11:27 am

aggies22 wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 10:32 am
mcaggie1 wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 8:21 am
brownjeans wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 2:17 pm
I like him. He seems to have a lot of different tools in his toolbox.
Most the Ute players are inefficient - so I think that's a symptom of the coach and system. Gach would become more efficient playing for Smith.

I kind of agree with you. I get real nervous though about his 3 pt shooting. 25% last year, but dipped to 19% in conference play........ AND at one point missed 21 straight. I don’t think Miller has ever missed that many in a row. Who knows, maybe Coach Smith can relax him and give him more confidence, and get him shooting much better.
Perhaps he drew one of the opposing teams better defenders and that affected his percentage? Maybe his team was so bad he forced a lot of bad shots? At Utah State he wouldn't need to be option #1 or #2.
Some really good points 22.
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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by nvspuds » May 18th, 2020, 11:31 am

When they played in Reno the Pack really didn't guard him with any particular emphasis. He had a solid game but Timmy Allen was a monster. He is the guy Smith should be tampering with from Utah. :)



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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by aggies22 » May 18th, 2020, 11:39 am

FL350Aggie wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 9:41 am
slcagg wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 6:31 am
https://www.deseret.com/2020/5/15/21260 ... rystkowiak

An article that speaks to a few things discussed on here. Granted I think the writer is is undervaluing the loss for Utah a little bit.
Yeah Sorensen sounds jaded. Must be a Ute fan and sick of losing all these top recruits. What a dumpster fire Yewt basketball is right now, and I absolutely love it. :scotsman:
I think this is why there are several on the board that feel this is why Mason Falslev will never suit up there. That and coupled with the fact that his hometown homies Rylan Jones and the Brenchley kid from Ridgeline will be seniors by the time his mission is up.



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Post by slcagg » May 18th, 2020, 11:54 am

nvspuds wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 11:31 am
When they played in Reno the Pack really didn't guard him with any particular emphasis. He had a solid game but Timmy Allen was a monster. He is the guy Smith should be tampering with from Utah. :)
I heard Timmy May want to play somewhere in Nevada if he comes back and doesn’t stay in the draft.

:)



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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by aggies22 » May 18th, 2020, 12:02 pm

slcagg wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 11:54 am
nvspuds wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 11:31 am
When they played in Reno the Pack really didn't guard him with any particular emphasis. He had a solid game but Timmy Allen was a monster. He is the guy Smith should be tampering with from Utah. :)
I heard Timmy May want to play somewhere in Nevada if he comes back and doesn’t stay in the draft.

:)
He's going to transfer to the University of Elko?
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Post by slcagg » May 18th, 2020, 12:05 pm

aggies22 wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 12:02 pm
slcagg wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 11:54 am
nvspuds wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 11:31 am
When they played in Reno the Pack really didn't guard him with any particular emphasis. He had a solid game but Timmy Allen was a monster. He is the guy Smith should be tampering with from Utah. :)
I heard Timmy May want to play somewhere in Nevada if he comes back and doesn’t stay in the draft.

:)
He's going to transfer to the University of Elko?
I’m offended you jerk! Don’t forget about the university in mesquite! 😁
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Post by Bank Shot » May 18th, 2020, 12:07 pm

I'm hearing the University of Mustang Ranchers.
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Post by Mr. Sneelock » May 18th, 2020, 12:57 pm

Both Gach offers something we have lacked: pure athleticism. I have watched him play a couple of times and would love to have him. Don't put too much stock into his 3 pt shooting stats. That isn't who he is. He is a slasher and finisher. Insanely athletic. He does things that Miller and Brito never could.


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Post by Madmartigan » May 18th, 2020, 1:18 pm

How does this affect Miller and Phonso's PT if he comes and is eligible this year?



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Post by aggies95 » May 18th, 2020, 1:27 pm

Madmartigan wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 1:18 pm
How does this affect Miller and Phonso's PT if he comes and is eligible this year?
https://www.si.com/college/utah/basketb ... o-transfer

I believe this article was shared already, but it looks like his preferred position is PG. It sounds like one of his issues at Utah was that he didn't like how much he had to play off the ball. I would think this would potentially have larger impact on a guy like Bairstow...both Gach and Bairstow are long combo guards with scoring and facilitating ability. What Gach provides is very different than the skill set of Miller or Fonz.
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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by brownjeans » May 18th, 2020, 2:40 pm

If Gach could shoot the 3 with a solid percentage (say 38%), we wouldn't be talking about him at USU - he'd be drafted by an NBA team for sure.



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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by Real Life Aggie » May 18th, 2020, 5:42 pm

brownjeans wrote:
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If Gach could shoot the 3 with a solid percentage (say 38%), we wouldn't be talking about him at USU - he'd be drafted by an NBA team for sure.
PG for us without constant pressure to be THE scorer seems like it could be a nice way to develop that shot a little more... take easy 3s, distribute when pressured, with no need to take bad shots. Plus, he'd get to rack up some assists and work on getting those TOs down.

But, I'm speaking through my Aggie Blue and Fighting White lenses here... :noidea:
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Post by mcaggie1 » May 18th, 2020, 5:52 pm

aggies22 wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 12:02 pm
slcagg wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 11:54 am
nvspuds wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 11:31 am
When they played in Reno the Pack really didn't guard him with any particular emphasis. He had a solid game but Timmy Allen was a monster. He is the guy Smith should be tampering with from Utah. :)
I heard Timmy May want to play somewhere in Nevada if he comes back and doesn’t stay in the draft.

:)
He's going to transfer to the University of Elko?
No, I think Winnemucca State
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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by Blitz79 » May 19th, 2020, 9:13 am

Where did the other Gach play at? All I see is people talking about the UofU one.



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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

Post by Real Life Aggie » May 19th, 2020, 9:39 am

Blitz79 wrote:
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Where did the other Gach play at? All I see is people talking about the UofU one.
Both played for U of U.
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Re: If Both Gach withdraws from the NBA draft he wants to play for Utah State

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