Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by NVAggie » February 20th, 2020, 10:54 am

Plain and simple, Miller has been a poor shooter during conference play. I would roughly credit him with three good games in conference. Two of those were losses @AFA and @SDSU. The win was @WYO.

Based on my calculations he is shooting 28.7% from the field. Inside the 3 point line he is shooting 40.4% (Not great). From three he is shooting 23.3% (Not even mediocre). He has shot 25.7% of the teams three point shots. Compare that to the team sans Miller which is shooting 46.2% (Decent). They are shooting 53.5% inside the arc (Good shooting), and 31.8% from three (Eh).

Millers eFG% is at 36.7% while the rest of the team's is 51.6%.

I think the last five games have really shown the team starting to shoot better and Miller dipping even more. Boise was rough for everyone, but it was also included in the last five game. Over the last 5 games Miller has shot 12% from three. The team has shot 38% (Even with a 1-16 showing against Boise). If you remove Boise from the last five games Miller actually dips down to 10.5% from three while the team rises to 44%.

At the end of the day, Miller was brought here for his three point shooting. That is his thing. He is getting very good looks at the hoop but can't seem to make them. In my opinion, a good shooter needs to shoot 50% inside the arc, 33.3% from three, and 75-80% from the foul line. Miller doesn't get to the line so he better start making more really soon. We need him to be better.



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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by aggiesdotcom » February 20th, 2020, 11:18 am

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February 20th, 2020, 10:45 am
I think it’s easy to forget, Miller was a big factor in the game at SDSU being as close as it was but has since struggled.

Watching the game last night, there is something to say about the gravity he commands from defenses.

FWIW Brock would’ve had 1 3pt field goal had Sam not “committed” a “charge”.


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Wasn't that Brito that knocked down the 3 as Merrill was called for the charge?



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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by aggiesdotcom » February 20th, 2020, 11:22 am

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I hope this kid has very high self esteem because if he doesn’t this could have a potential tragic ending. Before you post, imagine if this was your son.


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If he were my son I imagine he would have lobbed an alley oop pass to Queta on that 3 on 1, or at least that's what my 10 year old son yelled for him to do on that break at the time. Miller might be one of our worst fast break players I've ever seen.



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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by Rawbirds » February 20th, 2020, 11:37 am

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Rawbirds wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 10:45 am
I think it’s easy to forget, Miller was a big factor in the game at SDSU being as close as it was but has since struggled.

Watching the game last night, there is something to say about the gravity he commands from defenses.

FWIW Brock would’ve had 1 3pt field goal had Sam not “committed” a “charge”.


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Wasn't that Brito that knocked down the 3 as Merrill was called for the charge?
Oh yeah, you’re right, that was Brito


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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by Madmartigan » February 20th, 2020, 11:48 am

NVAggie wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 10:54 am
Plain and simple, Miller has been a poor shooter during conference play. I would roughly credit him with three good games in conference. Two of those were losses @AFA and @SDSU. The win was @WYO.

Based on my calculations he is shooting 28.7% from the field. Inside the 3 point line he is shooting 40.4% (Not great). From three he is shooting 23.3% (Not even mediocre). He has shot 25.7% of the teams three point shots. Compare that to the team sans Miller which is shooting 46.2% (Decent). They are shooting 53.5% inside the arc (Good shooting), and 31.8% from three (Eh).

Millers eFG% is at 36.7% while the rest of the team's is 51.6%.

I think the last five games have really shown the team starting to shoot better and Miller dipping even more. Boise was rough for everyone, but it was also included in the last five game. Over the last 5 games Miller has shot 12% from three. The team has shot 38% (Even with a 1-16 showing against Boise). If you remove Boise from the last five games Miller actually dips down to 10.5% from three while the team rises to 44%.

At the end of the day, Miller was brought here for his three point shooting. That is his thing. He is getting very good looks at the hoop but can't seem to make them. In my opinion, a good shooter needs to shoot 50% inside the arc, 33.3% from three, and 75-80% from the foul line. Miller doesn't get to the line so he better start making more really soon. We need him to be better.
Good break down. Some pretty damning stats there. Even worse than I thought.



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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by RigAggie » February 20th, 2020, 11:56 am

The question is, who replaces him? If you are the coach, who do you have start? My personal opinion would be to start Brito instead of him. But what say ye?



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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by sstewboy » February 20th, 2020, 11:58 am

Is it possible the Nike ball controversy has impacted Miller more than others? I'm not sure why that would be, but the numbers are interesting.

In all non-conference games (home and away combined), Miller is 32 for 92 from three (34.78%).

In conference games using the non-Nike ball, Miller is 8 for 23 from three (also, and strangely, 34.78%).

In conference games using the Nike ball, Miller is 13 for 67 from three (19.40%).



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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by Aggie19 » February 20th, 2020, 12:06 pm

RigAggie wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 11:56 am
The question is, who replaces him? If you are the coach, who do you have start? My personal opinion would be to start Brito instead of him. But what say ye?
Brito for me as well


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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by Aggie19 » February 20th, 2020, 12:07 pm

sstewboy wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 11:58 am
Is it possible the Nike ball controversy has impacted Miller more than others? I'm not sure why that would be, but the numbers are interesting.

In all non-conference games (home and away combined), Miller is 32 for 92 from three (34.78%).

In conference games using the non-Nike ball, Miller is 8 for 23 from three (also, and strangely, 34.78%).

In conference games using the Nike ball, Miller is 13 for 67 from three (19.40%).
Where do you find out what ball they used for what games?


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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by Mr. Sneelock » February 20th, 2020, 12:10 pm

Of course it would hard to be Brock or Brock's dad and see the public criticism. Look, I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but facts are facts, and stats are stats. At some point the criticism is more than fair. He plays a high-profile sport, and frankly, he is playing it badly. The fact is that his play has fallen far below expectations for a starting caliber player on a D-1 college basketball team trying to compete for a conference championship. I don't think we (fans on a message board dedicated to discussing Aggie basketball) should have to just ignore that in order to avoid hurting Brock's feelings. My guess is that he would agree that he hasn't been good enough.


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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by NVAggie » February 20th, 2020, 12:17 pm

Brito has to fill in at the point due to Porter's back issues (by the way Porter played well last night). Anderson has been the back up in the post more than the wing. I just don't see how we can sit Miller very much. He just needs to do his job.



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Post by USUaggie » February 20th, 2020, 12:36 pm

Less time for Miller, much less. More time for Barstow, Anderson, Bean, and Porter (if he is able).

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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by utaggies » February 20th, 2020, 12:42 pm

Rawbirds wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 10:45 am
I think it’s easy to forget, Miller was a big factor in the game at SDSU being as close as it was but has since struggled.

Watching the game last night, there is something to say about the gravity he commands from defenses.

FWIW Brock would’ve had 1 3pt field goal had Sam not “committed” a “charge”.


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No. He clanked that shot too.



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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by sstewboy » February 20th, 2020, 12:42 pm

I pulled the info from http://www.hoopsci.com/2020/01/08/is-th ... nike-ball/ and the WSJ article on the topic.

I'm curious to know which ball the team is using in practices. If it is a non-Nike ball, and Miller is shooting around 35% from three in practices, it might help explain why he continues to start and appears to have a green light to shoot.
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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by MrBiggle » February 20th, 2020, 12:45 pm

Are there any more coaches shows? Maybe someone could ask what he thinks about the Nike Balls.


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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by Real Life Aggie » February 20th, 2020, 1:02 pm

I don't think we'd have many crap-on-Miller's-performance threads if he either:

1. Made a higher percentage of his 3pt shots
2. Quit taking the 3pt shots

I don't see anyone on here disparaging him as an individual, or as a person. There are mixed feelings about some of his other gameplay (e.g., physicality, defense) that might be debated occasionally, but nothing egregious. If his game became defense, some driving and floaters, with the occasional 3pt attempt in an ideal situation (one a game-ish, like Bean), I don't see anyone hating on Miller's game.

Maybe the off-season will really help him iron out the kinks with his shot and he'll get back to where he can be with shooting the 3. But he just isn't there right now. High caliber players make things happen, or they adjust and become what the team needs. Let him change his game, do what he's making happen well, and take the pressure off his live-or-die-by-the-3 role. Facts are facts: he isn't shooting well right now. Utilize his D1-worthy capabilities in other ways.



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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by sstewboy » February 20th, 2020, 1:09 pm

As for the team’s other three point shooters, here are the stats:

Merrill – 47% with non-Nike ball; 36% with Nike ball

Brito – 28% with non-Nike ball; 26% with Nike ball

Porter – 35% with non-Nike ball; 23% with Nike ball

Anderson – 32% with non-Nike ball; 21% with Nike ball



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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by NVAggie » February 20th, 2020, 1:20 pm

When shooters struggle, they need to find their spots on the floor, get to the foul line, and make an impact in other ways. When I am off on the court I drive in for lay ups or shoot from the free throw extensions. Those are my calibration shots during pick up games. I also have some spots around the arc that are my confidence spots. If none of that works, I pass the ball.



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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by Aggiesbleedblue » February 20th, 2020, 1:22 pm

Abysmal shooting aside, Brock has A) more turnovers than assists and B) nearly as many fouls as rebounds. Brito's shooting has been problematic as well, but he contributes in a myriad of ways to warrant his playing time
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Post by Real Life Aggie » February 20th, 2020, 1:42 pm

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Abysmal shooting aside, Brock has A) more turnovers than assists and B) nearly as many fouls as rebounds. Brito's shooting has been problematic as well, but he contributes in a myriad of ways to warrant his playing time
I love Brito's hustle and intensity on defense. That's been a game changer in several games this season.



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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by ColoAggie » February 20th, 2020, 1:43 pm

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I honestly wonder if Miller has an injury we just don't know about. Just watching his shot, it seems like he doesn't get great rotation/backspin on the ball so if it touches the rim slightly, it clanks. He has a lot of shots go in and out, and he just doesn't have that soft touch.
People keep saying this, but it simply is not true. Very few of his shots are close. You can tell they are off line from the time the ball leaves his hands. It is probably the same people that have said he never misses in warmups and practice, as if that somehow makes it better.
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Post by FloridaAggie13 » February 20th, 2020, 1:44 pm

A positive, albeit from the comfort of my chair 2500 miles away, is that Miller does hustle. He does make mistakes and poor decisions from time to time but I don't think I've muttered to myself that he's not hustling.

Regarding shooting: unfortunately, Smith can't tell him not to shoot. If he's on the floor and he's open within the context of the offense then he has to shoot - as do all players. Now, Smith can COACH him on how to improve his offensive efficiency by driving more and fighting for offensive rebounds and getting to the free throw line. I trust this is happening in some manner and now it is up to Miller to respond.

Many a coach has said that shooters can find their shot in the heat of battle at the free throw line; maybe this could help.

Rooting for him to break out of his "slump" as it will be good for the team.
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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » February 20th, 2020, 3:26 pm

I love Craig Smith, but at this point it is on him. Miller should not be allowed to shoot 3's at the rate he takes them with his poor shooting. It is like having a quarterback throw a ton of interceptions. You can only blame the player so much before the blame shifts to the the decision maker who allows him to do it game after game.

Again love Craig Smith. He is an A+ coach, but him basically giving Miller a full green light is a problem. To put this in perspective (And I hate to give credit to a byu player) Jake Toolson is a very good 3pt% shooter at 46% a game. Yet Brock Miller has taken more 3s this season than Toolson has. I don't know what role Miller should have on the team, but his 3pt shooting needs to be removed from our arsenal whether he is in the game or not.
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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by tipitup » February 20th, 2020, 3:30 pm

I will say that the whole spectrum is just WAITING to erupt when miller gets hot!! He takes the shot and everyone takes in a deep breath and are just hoping that that will be the shot to get him going!! Just sayin.



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Post by OrangeCountyAggie » February 20th, 2020, 3:45 pm

tipitup wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 3:30 pm
I will say that the whole spectrum is just WAITING to erupt when miller gets hot!! He takes the shot and everyone takes in a deep breath and are just hoping that that will be the shot to get him going!! Just sayin.
More like everyone's gasping because he's chucking it up again!
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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by Real Life Aggie » February 20th, 2020, 4:05 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 3:45 pm
tipitup wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 3:30 pm
I will say that the whole spectrum is just WAITING to erupt when miller gets hot!! He takes the shot and everyone takes in a deep breath and are just hoping that that will be the shot to get him going!! Just sayin.
More like everyone's gasping because he's chucking it up again!
I groan every time. Even when watching recordings.
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Post by tjensen_25 » February 20th, 2020, 4:30 pm

tipitup wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 3:30 pm
I will say that the whole spectrum is just WAITING to erupt when miller gets hot!! He takes the shot and everyone takes in a deep breath and are just hoping that that will be the shot to get him going!! Just sayin.
I'm pretty sure that you're alone in this. The breath you're hearing everyone around you doing isn't a hopeful breath, it's a sigh.



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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by UStateTim » February 20th, 2020, 4:37 pm

ColoAggie wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 1:43 pm
UStateTim wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 9:53 am
I honestly wonder if Miller has an injury we just don't know about. Just watching his shot, it seems like he doesn't get great rotation/backspin on the ball so if it touches the rim slightly, it clanks. He has a lot of shots go in and out, and he just doesn't have that soft touch.
People keep saying this, but it simply is not true. Very few of his shots are close. You can tell they are off line from the time the ball leaves his hands. It is probably the same people that have said he never misses in warmups and practice, as if that somehow makes it better.
You're probably right. Because he takes about seven 3's a game and only one of them is close means most of them are not close. I just tend to remember the close ones that do go in and out.



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Post by aggieguy13 » February 20th, 2020, 4:38 pm

Just to give some further context as to what we're watching: There are 122 D-1 players who have shot 166 or more threes this season. (Miller is at 182 attempts.) Out of those 122, Miller ranks 121st in 3PT percentage.

The good news is that he would have to miss his next 25 attempts to overtake last place, so he's got that going for him.
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Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » February 20th, 2020, 4:46 pm

aggieguy13 wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 4:38 pm
Just to give some further context as to what we're watching: There are 122 D-1 players who have shot 166 or more threes this season. (Miller is at 182 attempts.) Out of those 122, Miller ranks 121st in 3PT percentage.

The good news is that he would have to miss his next 25 attempts to overtake last place, so he's got that going for him.
My point exactly in my comparison to Jake Toolson. Why is Craig Smith giving a player who is that inefficient from 3 this much of a green light?



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Post by Real Life Aggie » February 20th, 2020, 4:51 pm

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February 20th, 2020, 4:38 pm
Just to give some further context as to what we're watching: There are 122 D-1 players who have shot 166 or more threes this season. (Miller is at 182 attempts.) Out of those 122, Miller ranks 121st in 3PT percentage.

The good news is that he would have to miss his next 25 attempts to overtake last place, so he's got that going for him.
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Re: Miller 1st half: 0-5 fg, 0-4 3pt

Post by QuackAttackAggie » February 20th, 2020, 5:58 pm

aggieguy13 wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 4:38 pm
Just to give some further context as to what we're watching: There are 122 D-1 players who have shot 166 or more threes this season. (Miller is at 182 attempts.) Out of those 122, Miller ranks 121st in 3PT percentage.

The good news is that he would have to miss his next 25 attempts to overtake last place, so he's got that going for him.
I looked up past stats to see if Miller was the worst shooter to take 150+ 3s in a season. He's not. But Allen Iverson was one of the worst. His percentages were awful (i think he was 22% from 3 and 68% from FT his freshman year).

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Post by Sl7vk » February 20th, 2020, 6:28 pm

aggieguy13 wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 4:38 pm
Just to give some further context as to what we're watching: There are 122 D-1 players who have shot 166 or more threes this season. (Miller is at 182 attempts.) Out of those 122, Miller ranks 121st in 3PT percentage.

The good news is that he would have to miss his next 25 attempts to overtake last place, so he's got that going for him.
So who’s worse than miller? I’m on the edge of my seat!



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Post by aggieguy13 » February 20th, 2020, 7:50 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 6:28 pm
aggieguy13 wrote:
February 20th, 2020, 4:38 pm
Just to give some further context as to what we're watching: There are 122 D-1 players who have shot 166 or more threes this season. (Miller is at 182 attempts.) Out of those 122, Miller ranks 121st in 3PT percentage.

The good news is that he would have to miss his next 25 attempts to overtake last place, so he's got that going for him.
So who’s worse than miller? I’m on the edge of my seat!
Caleb Hunter, 5'11" freshman guard from Mississippi Valley State is shooting an astounding 53/206 (25.7%) from 3 this season.
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