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Kuba?

Post by brownjeans » February 11th, 2020, 9:57 pm

Didn't see the game, cbssports box shows Kuba with 10 minutes. Really?



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Re: Kuba?

Post by Aggiesbleedblue » February 11th, 2020, 9:59 pm

He played solid tonight. I sure hope his health is the only reason Dorius has been playing over him...
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Re: Kuba?

Post by SaintAggie » February 11th, 2020, 10:00 pm

Yah he contributed. Sam actually spoke highly about his minutes in the post game.



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Post by tetonaggie » February 11th, 2020, 10:01 pm

Other than taking that three and some obvious rust/jitters, I thought he looked pretty decent out there tonight.


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Re: Kuba?

Post by Roy McAvoy » February 11th, 2020, 10:02 pm

tetonaggie wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:01 pm
Other than taking that three and some obvious rust/jitters, I thought he looked pretty decent out there tonight.


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He looks good shooting it and I’ve seen him in warmups make several 3’s in a row.



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Re: Kuba?

Post by dirtnsnow » February 11th, 2020, 10:05 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:02 pm
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February 11th, 2020, 10:01 pm
Other than taking that three and some obvious rust/jitters, I thought he looked pretty decent out there tonight.


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He looks good shooting it and I’ve seen him in warmups make several 3’s in a row.
I had no problem with him taking the 3. He was open, and it's not like he's going to do any worse than we have been.
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Re: Kuba?

Post by Intermeddler » February 11th, 2020, 10:09 pm

His 3 looked good. Solid form. Probably no worse than Miller.



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Re: Kuba?

Post by aggies22 » February 11th, 2020, 10:12 pm

Aggiesbleedblue wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 9:59 pm
He played solid tonight. I sure hope his health is the only reason Dorius has been playing over him...
From what I understand, this is exactly what the reason has been.
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Re: Kuba?

Post by Aggie84025 » February 11th, 2020, 10:15 pm

He he played awesome defense got several rebounds. We actually maintained hourly during that time frame with queta on the bench. So great job to kuba.



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Post by slcagg » February 11th, 2020, 10:16 pm

He was a difference maker. Hope he can play more because we could use him in the rotation. And his three had a nice form to it.



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Post by hipsterdoofus21 » February 11th, 2020, 10:29 pm

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February 11th, 2020, 10:15 pm
He he played awesome defense got several rebounds. We actually maintained hourly during that time frame with queta on the bench. So great job to kuba.
Soon I hope he’s good enough to bump up to salary.
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Re: Kuba?

Post by ususports » February 11th, 2020, 10:35 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:02 pm
tetonaggie wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:01 pm
Other than taking that three and some obvious rust/jitters, I thought he looked pretty decent out there tonight.
He looks good shooting it and I’ve seen him in warmups make several 3’s in a row.
I have seen him make plenty in warmups too. The TV announcers said coach Smith was clearly not pleased with the shot, but why he would get upset at Kuba for shooting it, and yet, not get upset while watching Miller shoot brick after brick, game after game after game after game after game after game after game...is beyond my comprehension.
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Re: Kuba?

Post by Aggie84025 » February 11th, 2020, 10:43 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:29 pm
Aggie84025 wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:15 pm
He he played awesome defense got several rebounds. We actually maintained hourly during that time frame with queta on the bench. So great job to kuba.
Soon I hope he’s good enough to bump up to salary.
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Post by hipsterdoofus21 » February 11th, 2020, 11:54 pm

Aggie84025 wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:43 pm
hipsterdoofus21 wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:29 pm
Aggie84025 wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:15 pm
He he played awesome defense got several rebounds. We actually maintained hourly during that time frame with queta on the bench. So great job to kuba.
Soon I hope he’s good enough to bump up to salary.
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Re: Kuba?

Post by FloridaAggie13 » February 12th, 2020, 12:36 am

ususports wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:35 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:02 pm
tetonaggie wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:01 pm
Other than taking that three and some obvious rust/jitters, I thought he looked pretty decent out there tonight.
He looks good shooting it and I’ve seen him in warmups make several 3’s in a row.
I have seen him make plenty in warmups too. The TV announcers said coach Smith was clearly not pleased with the shot, but why he would get upset at Kuba for shooting it, and yet, not get upset while watching Miller shoot brick after brick, game after game after game after game after game after game after game...is beyond my comprehension.
I share your frustration. To be fair, Kuba's job isn't to shoot outside and Miller's is. Also Kuba's attempt wasn't in the flow of the offense so I'm sure that was part of Smith's ire.



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Post by aggiesdotcom » February 12th, 2020, 7:24 am

While I don't think Kuba should be taking any 3's, the fact that he took one that was wide open shouldn't be too upsetting. He'd have to take and miss 3 more of those per game to do worse than Miller but if one of those 4 goes in, we suddenly have an unguardable Miller at 7 foot 2.
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Re: Kuba?

Post by 89Aggie » February 12th, 2020, 8:46 am

Intermeddler wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:09 pm
His 3 looked good. Solid form. Probably no worse than Miller.
High praise indeed.



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Re: Kuba?

Post by 2004AG » February 12th, 2020, 9:10 am

89Aggie wrote:
Intermeddler wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:09 pm
His 3 looked good. Solid form. Probably no worse than Miller.
High praise indeed.
You’d have to try really hard not to beat Miller’s 2-12 on 3’s from the last two games.


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Re: Kuba?

Post by aggieref » February 12th, 2020, 9:16 am

Miller is starting to remind me of Jonathan Tavernari. (please don't become a chucker) Has anyone noticed that almost all of his misses hit the back rim? It's like he his shooting everything 6 inches too long. I love the guy and hope he can get out of this slump.



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Re: Kuba?

Post by Aggie84025 » February 12th, 2020, 9:18 am

Kuba has a nice shot and if he is wide open and it is not a clutch situation I have no problems him shooting some of those 3's.



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Re: Kuba?

Post by dirtnsnow » February 12th, 2020, 9:37 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 12:36 am
ususports wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:35 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:02 pm
tetonaggie wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:01 pm
Other than taking that three and some obvious rust/jitters, I thought he looked pretty decent out there tonight.
He looks good shooting it and I’ve seen him in warmups make several 3’s in a row.
I have seen him make plenty in warmups too. The TV announcers said coach Smith was clearly not pleased with the shot, but why he would get upset at Kuba for shooting it, and yet, not get upset while watching Miller shoot brick after brick, game after game after game after game after game after game after game...is beyond my comprehension.
I share your frustration. To be fair, Kuba's job isn't to shoot outside and Miller's is. Also Kuba's attempt wasn't in the flow of the offense so I'm sure that was part of Smith's ire.
I seriously hope this is not the case. Shouldn't the flow of the offense be designed to generate an open look? He was open! If we had a legit 3 point threat as a big, it would force teams to play defense differently on the screens (pick n pop vs pick n roll). There has been more than one big man who could do this (my favorite being Mehmut Okur). Even Gary Wilkinson hit a few here and there, going 6/19 his senior year.


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Re: Kuba?

Post by El Sapo » February 12th, 2020, 9:39 am

He was active and mobile. A little rusty, maybe just as much the other players getting used to him being on the court. I think he'll be valuable down the stretch


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Re: Kuba?

Post by FloridaAggie13 » February 12th, 2020, 9:40 am

dirtnsnow wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 9:37 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 12:36 am
ususports wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:35 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:02 pm
tetonaggie wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:01 pm
Other than taking that three and some obvious rust/jitters, I thought he looked pretty decent out there tonight.
He looks good shooting it and I’ve seen him in warmups make several 3’s in a row.
I have seen him make plenty in warmups too. The TV announcers said coach Smith was clearly not pleased with the shot, but why he would get upset at Kuba for shooting it, and yet, not get upset while watching Miller shoot brick after brick, game after game after game after game after game after game after game...is beyond my comprehension.
I share your frustration. To be fair, Kuba's job isn't to shoot outside and Miller's is. Also Kuba's attempt wasn't in the flow of the offense so I'm sure that was part of Smith's ire.
I seriously hope this is not the case. Shouldn't the flow of the offense be designed to generate an open look? He was open! If we had a legit 3 point threat as a big, it would force teams to play defense differently on the screens (pick n pop vs pick n roll). There has been more than one big man who could do this (my favorite being Mehmut Okur). Even Gary Wilkinson hit a few here and there, going 6/19 his senior year.
Yes, but within context. Able Porter isn't posting on the low block looking for an open look.
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Post by UStateTim » February 12th, 2020, 9:44 am

aggieref wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 9:16 am
Miller is starting to remind me of Jonathan Tavernari. (please don't become a chucker) Has anyone noticed that almost all of his misses hit the back rim? It's like he his shooting everything 6 inches too long. I love the guy and hope he can get out of this slump.
I also hope he gets out of his almost 2 year slump



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Re: Kuba?

Post by dirtnsnow » February 12th, 2020, 9:48 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 9:40 am
dirtnsnow wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 9:37 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 12:36 am
ususports wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:35 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:02 pm
tetonaggie wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:01 pm
Other than taking that three and some obvious rust/jitters, I thought he looked pretty decent out there tonight.
He looks good shooting it and I’ve seen him in warmups make several 3’s in a row.
I have seen him make plenty in warmups too. The TV announcers said coach Smith was clearly not pleased with the shot, but why he would get upset at Kuba for shooting it, and yet, not get upset while watching Miller shoot brick after brick, game after game after game after game after game after game after game...is beyond my comprehension.
I share your frustration. To be fair, Kuba's job isn't to shoot outside and Miller's is. Also Kuba's attempt wasn't in the flow of the offense so I'm sure that was part of Smith's ire.
I seriously hope this is not the case. Shouldn't the flow of the offense be designed to generate an open look? He was open! If we had a legit 3 point threat as a big, it would force teams to play defense differently on the screens (pick n pop vs pick n roll). There has been more than one big man who could do this (my favorite being Mehmut Okur). Even Gary Wilkinson hit a few here and there, going 6/19 his senior year.
Yes, but within context. Able Porter isn't posting on the low block looking for an open look.
I didn't say he should. We should exploit mismatches and *should* be able to take what the defense gives. If the defense gives a player a wide open look, I want that player to be able to knock it down, regardless of their size. It's not like he was playing hero ball; the shot was there for the taking, and CSU was hedging hard on the players cutting toward the hand off.


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Re: Kuba?

Post by ususports » February 12th, 2020, 10:12 am

dirtnsnow wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 9:37 am
I seriously hope this is not the case. Shouldn't the flow of the offense be designed to generate an open look? He was open! If we had a legit 3 point threat as a big, it would force teams to play defense differently on the screens (pick n pop vs pick n roll). There has been more than one big man who could do this (my favorite being Mehmut Okur). Even Gary Wilkinson hit a few here and there, going 6/19 his senior year.
I completely agree, but you will have a hard time convincing the (so-called) basketball experts on this board. Several years ago, Lew Evans was shooting 36% from 3, and even though we had many players shooting a worse percentage than him, he was blasted on this board after every game. I haven't been able to figure it out because it isn't represented on the scoreboard, but there are many who believe that if a guard makes a 3 pointer, it is worth more than 3 points, and if a big makes a 3 pointer, it gets subtracted from your score.
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Re: Kuba?

Post by brownjeans » February 12th, 2020, 10:13 am

If Kuba can make a some 3s (better than 33%), I want him to take some of them. If he can make them it causes the opposing team's center to make a choice - stay close to him to prevent the 3, or stay off him to protect the paint. If the center chooses to protect the paint, Kuba has a wide open 3. If he stays close to Kuba, our guards have an easier time getting to the rim. Good offense is about forcing defenders to make hard choices.

So the question is, can he make them enough to cause that adjustment in the defending center?
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Re: Kuba?

Post by ususports » February 12th, 2020, 10:14 am

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Yes, but within context. Able Porter isn't posting on the low block looking for an open look.
But if he is wide open on the low block, shouldn't he take the shot?
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Post by NVAggie » February 12th, 2020, 11:06 am

That would also open things up for Bean to grab more boards and do his thing. A Queta-heavy offense hasn't been kind to the Bean.
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Re: Kuba?

Post by FloridaAggie13 » February 12th, 2020, 11:11 am

ususports wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 10:14 am
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Yes, but within context. Able Porter isn't posting on the low block looking for an open look.
But if he is wide open on the low block, shouldn't he take the shot?
Of course, why wouldn't he?

The point I was making is that we don't run plays for the point guard to post up on the low block any more than we run plays for the center to shoot from 22 feet. Just because Kuba has the ball and is open from 22 feet doesn't mean that he should shoot it.

Of course, if over time he proves that is a shot he can make consistently, then sure.



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Post by Yossarian » February 12th, 2020, 11:15 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 11:11 am
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February 12th, 2020, 10:14 am
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February 12th, 2020, 9:40 am
Yes, but within context. Able Porter isn't posting on the low block looking for an open look.
But if he is wide open on the low block, shouldn't he take the shot?
Of course, why wouldn't he?

The point I was making is that we don't run plays for the point guard to post up on the low block any more than we run plays for the center to shoot from 22 feet. Just because Kuba has the ball and is open from 22 feet doesn't mean that he should shoot it.

Of course, if over time he proves that is a shot he can make consistently, then sure.

How will we know if he can make it consistently if he doesn't shoot it?



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Re: Kuba?

Post by dirtnsnow » February 12th, 2020, 11:17 am

FloridaAggie13 wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 11:11 am
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February 12th, 2020, 10:14 am
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February 12th, 2020, 9:40 am
Yes, but within context. Able Porter isn't posting on the low block looking for an open look.
But if he is wide open on the low block, shouldn't he take the shot?
Of course, why wouldn't he?

The point I was making is that we don't run plays for the point guard to post up on the low block any more than we run plays for the center to shoot from 22 feet. Just because Kuba has the ball and is open from 22 feet doesn't mean that he should shoot it.

Of course, if over time he proves that is a shot he can make consistently, then sure.
Chicken and the egg situation here. How is he going to prove he can shoot it if he isn't allowed to shoot it? He only had one less made 3 than Miller last night.


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Re: Kuba?

Post by Real Life Aggie » February 12th, 2020, 11:27 am

dirtnsnow wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 11:17 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 11:11 am
ususports wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 10:14 am
FloridaAggie13 wrote:
February 12th, 2020, 9:40 am
Yes, but within context. Able Porter isn't posting on the low block looking for an open look.
But if he is wide open on the low block, shouldn't he take the shot?
Of course, why wouldn't he?

The point I was making is that we don't run plays for the point guard to post up on the low block any more than we run plays for the center to shoot from 22 feet. Just because Kuba has the ball and is open from 22 feet doesn't mean that he should shoot it.

Of course, if over time he proves that is a shot he can make consistently, then sure.
Chicken and the egg situation here. How is he going to prove he can shoot it if he isn't allowed to shoot it? He only had one less made 3 than Miller last night.
And 5 fewer attempts.



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Re: Kuba?

Post by Aggie19 » February 12th, 2020, 11:30 am

I'm not sure I want my 7'+ center taking 3s ever. Takes him further away from where I need him, in the post and rebounding. Or catching it inside and kicking it out when it collapses. It should be a rarity that he's shooting 3s. He should focus on his down low game and defense. Our offense works the best when we have a post player that can work underneath and kick it out. Defense is better all around, for every team, when there a big guy clogging the middle and cleaning up mistakes from the perimeter d. Let's work on that.


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Re: Kuba?

Post by dirtnsnow » February 12th, 2020, 11:39 am

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I'm not sure I want my 7'+ center taking 3s ever. Takes him further away from where I need him, in the post and rebounding. Or catching it inside and kicking it out when it collapses. It should be a rarity that he's shooting 3s. He should focus on his down low game and defense. Our offense works the best when we have a post player that can work underneath and kick it out. Defense is better all around, for every team, when there a big guy clogging the middle and cleaning up mistakes from the perimeter d. Let's work on that.
We pull the center up for pick n rolls and hand offs as it is. If neither of those options are there, and the 3 is open, then why not? They're already out of place for rebounding and inside out play.


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