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Re: Recruiting

Post by dogie » April 11th, 2020, 10:39 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 9:55 pm
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April 11th, 2020, 9:03 pm
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April 11th, 2020, 12:28 pm
I am more curious what Abel will be studying at Ohio State.
I read somewhere an mba (but I don’t know). If that is the case apparently they don’t have those at usu.
I love USU as much as the next guy and want us to be the very best, but an MBA from Ohio State would open some major doors for jobs out of school. I mean like straight into entry level exec positions at Fortune 500 companies or Wall Street. USU’s mba program doesn’t get that kind of recruitment, so if that’s his goal, he definitely made a wise choice.
I thought grad transfers could play immediately only if they enroll in a graduate program at the new school that isn’t offered at the old school. USU definitely has an MBA program.
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Re: Recruiting

Post by aggies22 » April 11th, 2020, 10:58 pm

dogie wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 10:39 pm
flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 9:55 pm
slcagg wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 9:03 pm
SLB wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 12:28 pm
I am more curious what Abel will be studying at Ohio State.
I read somewhere an mba (but I don’t know). If that is the case apparently they don’t have those at usu.
I love USU as much as the next guy and want us to be the very best, but an MBA from Ohio State would open some major doors for jobs out of school. I mean like straight into entry level exec positions at Fortune 500 companies or Wall Street. USU’s mba program doesn’t get that kind of recruitment, so if that’s his goal, he definitely made a wise choice.
I thought grad transfers could play immediately only if they enroll in a graduate program at the new school that isn’t offered at the old school. USU definitely has an MBA program.
Hmmmm. Great point my Aggie brother!



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Re: Recruiting

Post by Aggie19 » April 12th, 2020, 5:20 am

aggies22 wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 10:58 pm
dogie wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 10:39 pm
flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 9:55 pm
slcagg wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 9:03 pm
SLB wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 12:28 pm
I am more curious what Abel will be studying at Ohio State.
I read somewhere an mba (but I don’t know). If that is the case apparently they don’t have those at usu.
I love USU as much as the next guy and want us to be the very best, but an MBA from Ohio State would open some major doors for jobs out of school. I mean like straight into entry level exec positions at Fortune 500 companies or Wall Street. USU’s mba program doesn’t get that kind of recruitment, so if that’s his goal, he definitely made a wise choice.
I thought grad transfers could play immediately only if they enroll in a graduate program at the new school that isn’t offered at the old school. USU definitely has an MBA program.
Hmmmm. Great point my Aggie brother!
There could be something specific about that program that USU doesn't have. Like a specialty in financing or something of that nature. I wonder if the transfer language takes into account the level or prestige of the program, one MBA doesn't necessarily equal another.


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Re: Recruiting

Post by slcagg » April 12th, 2020, 5:55 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 9:55 pm
slcagg wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 9:03 pm
SLB wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 12:28 pm
I am more curious what Abel will be studying at Ohio State.
I read somewhere an mba (but I don’t know). If that is the case apparently they don’t have those at usu.
I love USU as much as the next guy and want us to be the very best, but an MBA from Ohio State would open some major doors for jobs out of school. I mean like straight into entry level exec positions at Fortune 500 companies or Wall Street. USU’s mba program doesn’t get that kind of recruitment, so if that’s his goal, he definitely made a wise choice.
I don’t disagree that it is a better program. Good point.

Curious what is an entry level exec position?



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Re: Recruiting

Post by tetonaggie » April 12th, 2020, 7:50 am

slcagg wrote:
SLB wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 12:28 pm
I am more curious what Abel will be studying at Ohio State.
I read somewhere an mba (but I don’t know). If that is the case apparently they don’t have those at usu.
Per this article from an OSU writer, he has his MBA from USU already and his wife has graduated as well, he literally has nowhere to go academically at USU. I was hoping the article might tell us what he plans on studying at a OSU (med school or something else) but I suspect that will come out eventually. Regardless, he and his wife found a good spot to further their academic career that will also provide a scholarship and allow him to contribute to a great program off the bench. Good for him. He’s a great Aggie and I wish him the best!

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Re: Recruiting

Post by brownjeans » April 12th, 2020, 7:53 am

slcagg wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 5:55 am
Curious what is an entry level exec position?
Maybe working for a VC but as an exec at a small, wholly owned subsidiary acquisition?



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Re: Recruiting

Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » April 12th, 2020, 8:28 am

brownjeans wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 7:53 am
slcagg wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 5:55 am
Curious what is an entry level exec position?
Maybe working for a VC but as an exec at a small, wholly owned subsidiary acquisition?
Maybe I used the wrong terminology, what I meant by executive (middle management, idk what you want to call it) is that if they go to work for Home Depot, they aren't stocking lumber, they're working in an office getting paid a lot to make sure the lumber gets to Home Depot to get stocked. Here is salary data from last year's Ohio State MBA graduating class:
https://fisher.osu.edu/careers-recruiti ... tcome-data

Either way, it's an interesting point that USU offers and MBA, and Abel already has an MBA from USU. Not sure why people keep mentioning med school, law school would seem like a better choice. Either way, good luck to him if he's going to attempt something like that while playing D1 ball.
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Re: Recruiting

Post by SLB » April 12th, 2020, 8:34 am

Honestly, I have never heard of a grad transfer in college sports with a MBA. Has that ever happen before?
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Re: Recruiting

Post by brownjeans » April 12th, 2020, 9:30 am

SLB wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 8:34 am
Honestly, I have never heard of a grad transfer in college sports with a MBA. Has that ever happen before?
We might see this more often. My daughter just started high school in Davis school district. I was stunned at how many concurrent enrollment classes are offered. Between those classes and the AP classes my daughter will graduate high school with a lot of college already done. If she goes to USU it's all guaranteed to transfer too.
It wasn't like that when I was in high school.
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Re: Recruiting

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Re: Recruiting

Post by SLB » April 12th, 2020, 10:12 am

Us trying to figure out the grad transfers
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Re: Recruiting

Post by dogie » April 12th, 2020, 10:37 am

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Other teams in the conference are spending the off-season making themselves better. I hope our coaching staff will just pick up the phone.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by SLB » April 12th, 2020, 10:45 am

dogie wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 10:37 am
SLB wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 10:08 am
Other teams in the conference are spending the off-season making themselves better. I hope our coaching staff will just pick up the phone.
22 says that we have contacted people, but they consistently pick two options play for a college has no chance at NCAA tournament or low playing time at a big name school.
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Re: Recruiting

Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » April 12th, 2020, 10:49 am

SLB wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 10:45 am
dogie wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 10:37 am
SLB wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 10:08 am
Other teams in the conference are spending the off-season making themselves better. I hope our coaching staff will just pick up the phone.
22 says that we have contacted people, but they consistently pick two options play for a college has no chance at NCAA tournament or low playing time at a big name school.
I think the grad transfer market is a little too hot right now, honestly. Focus on getting some good juco or even high school players you can develop for a year or two. If we can find someone, then great, but it sounds like most grad transfers are getting gone.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by aggies22 » April 12th, 2020, 10:52 am

dogie wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 10:37 am
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April 12th, 2020, 10:08 am
Other teams in the conference are spending the off-season making themselves better. I hope our coaching staff will just pick up the phone.
Don't worry my Aggie brother, our coaching staff is contacting guys, it is simply a matter of finding the right fit. Not many guys want to come to Utah State and be a role player. We need a guy that will be happy kicking in 12 to 15 ppg, 4 to 6 rebounds a night, will share the ball and win a bunch of games. Several of the guys that have gone to P5 schools will have a tough time getting major minutes.

We moved on from Devin Gage shortly after contacting him.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by slcagg » April 12th, 2020, 10:58 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 8:28 am
brownjeans wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 7:53 am
slcagg wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 5:55 am
Curious what is an entry level exec position?
Maybe working for a VC but as an exec at a small, wholly owned subsidiary acquisition?
Maybe I used the wrong terminology, what I meant by executive (middle management, idk what you want to call it) is that if they go to work for Home Depot, they aren't stocking lumber, they're working in an office getting paid a lot to make sure the lumber gets to Home Depot to get stocked. Here is salary data from last year's Ohio State MBA graduating class:
https://fisher.osu.edu/careers-recruiti ... tcome-data

Either way, it's an interesting point that USU offers and MBA, and Abel already has an MBA from USU. Not sure why people keep mentioning med school, law school would seem like a better choice. Either way, good luck to him if he's going to attempt something like that while playing D1 ball.
Wow those are really solid numbers. I wonder If those numbers include people who are currently in the workforce and are doing the mba at the same time.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » April 12th, 2020, 11:10 am

slcagg wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 10:58 am
flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 8:28 am
brownjeans wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 7:53 am
slcagg wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 5:55 am
Curious what is an entry level exec position?
Maybe working for a VC but as an exec at a small, wholly owned subsidiary acquisition?
Maybe I used the wrong terminology, what I meant by executive (middle management, idk what you want to call it) is that if they go to work for Home Depot, they aren't stocking lumber, they're working in an office getting paid a lot to make sure the lumber gets to Home Depot to get stocked. Here is salary data from last year's Ohio State MBA graduating class:
https://fisher.osu.edu/careers-recruiti ... tcome-data

Either way, it's an interesting point that USU offers and MBA, and Abel already has an MBA from USU. Not sure why people keep mentioning med school, law school would seem like a better choice. Either way, good luck to him if he's going to attempt something like that while playing D1 ball.
Wow those are really solid numbers. I wonder If those numbers include people who are currently in the workforce and are doing the mba at the same time.
From what I understand, they have a separate program for working people who want to get an MBA while working. I think these are the numbers from the full-time MBA program. Granted, I would imagine a lot of these people may have some work experience already.

Why aren't any of Abel's family/friends on this board? What's he studying at OSU?



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Re: Recruiting

Post by Pacobag » April 12th, 2020, 12:44 pm

Although there may be a rare exception, recent MBA grads without years of proven leadership success in the workplace, are not getting executive level positions at Fortune 500 companies.... unless your definition of executive is really loose... like Executive Assistant.

Additionally, Ohio State’s MBA program is not a top 20 type program. Even BYU’s MBA program is sometimes ranked better. I’d be surprised if Abel would go for an Ohio State MBA after earning an MBA from USU. Maybe a law degree or maybe a PhD in a business field if he wants to do research or become a business professor.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by nvspuds » April 12th, 2020, 12:50 pm

Maybe he went because he wanted to play basketball in a top conference with all the perks that come with it.
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Re: Recruiting

Post by Bank Shot » April 12th, 2020, 2:10 pm

nvspuds wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 12:50 pm
Maybe he went because he wanted to play basketball in a top conference with all the perks that come with it.
Perhaps, but since this decision was made before this past season, it takes a leap of faith to think that he would be getting a scholarship from a P6, when he was a walk-on at USU and not given a scholarship until midway through 2018-19.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by nvspuds » April 12th, 2020, 2:17 pm

True..However, he may have known that he would want a new adventure. But, I don't think Ohio State gave him a scholarship just because. They believe he can help the team.

I have no problem with players leaving as grad transfers. It is not disloyal or short sighted. It is about living a little before settling down. Sometimes it isn't about minutes or winning. Maybe it is nothing other than seeing a bit of the country.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by Bank Shot » April 12th, 2020, 2:29 pm

nvspuds wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 2:17 pm
True..However, he may have known that he would want a new adventure. But, I don't think Ohio State gave him a scholarship just because. They believe he can help the team.

I have no problem with players leaving as grad transfers. It is not disloyal or short sighted. It is about living a little before settling down. Sometimes it isn't about minutes or winning. Maybe it is nothing other than seeing a bit of the country.
Very true. It really is a great story of a student-athlete, using basketball as a way of getting the most out of his opportunities.
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Post by Yossarian » April 12th, 2020, 2:33 pm

So we are on page 16 of a thread in which the only pertinence to USU basketball is the mention if two players leaving?
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Re: Recruiting

Post by Bank Shot » April 12th, 2020, 2:37 pm

Abel is of more pertinence to USU basketball than the countless posts of players we have had no interest in and they have had no interest in us, or more posts about players we may have contacted, but have expressed that we are not in their final list.
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Re: Recruiting

Post by nvspuds » April 12th, 2020, 2:48 pm

So, I am hearing Grootfam to Duke and Bischoff to Kansas..I don't know if it is pertinent..:)
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Re: Recruiting

Post by dogie » April 12th, 2020, 2:48 pm

SLB wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 10:45 am
dogie wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 10:37 am
SLB wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 10:08 am
Other teams in the conference are spending the off-season making themselves better. I hope our coaching staff will just pick up the phone.
22 says that we have contacted people, but they consistently pick two options play for a college has no chance at NCAA tournament or low playing time at a big name school.
My post was a tribute to an infamous post about 15 years that I’m sure some of the old-timers on this board will remember. I realize that the wheels are in motion.

The great thing about basketball recruiting to an established program like ours is that you typically need only one solid recruit in the late period to keep things going. I’m pretty certain they will still find their point guard and they don’t need to win all of the recruiting battles.



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Re: Recruiting

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Re: Recruiting

Post by cbingham » April 12th, 2020, 5:26 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 9:55 pm
slcagg wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 9:03 pm
SLB wrote:
April 11th, 2020, 12:28 pm
I am more curious what Abel will be studying at Ohio State.
I read somewhere an mba (but I don’t know). If that is the case apparently they don’t have those at usu.
I love USU as much as the next guy and want us to be the very best, but an MBA from Ohio State would open some major doors for jobs out of school. I mean like straight into entry level exec positions at Fortune 500 companies or Wall Street. USU’s mba program doesn’t get that kind of recruitment, so if that’s his goal, he definitely made a wise choice.
Not true... OSU is at the lost level of Big10 academics and their MBA isn’t terribly well respected. Although nominally better than USU, OSU isn’t a ticket to anything other than regional jobs. I’ve worked at two Fortune 100s and we only recruited MBAs for a single division that happened to be in C-bus... any they were considered the lowest rung. He, likely many on the board, must espouse the hats in the mall theory.
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Re: Recruiting

Post by utaggies » April 12th, 2020, 6:28 pm

Yossarian wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 2:33 pm
So we are on page 16 of a thread in which the only pertinence to USU basketball is the mention if two players leaving?
Sadly, that’s the case. However, it is invigorating to see who we aren’t landing. :sarcasm:



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Nothing else to talk about ):



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Post by hipsterdoofus21 » April 12th, 2020, 9:24 pm

Yossarian wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 2:33 pm
So we are on page 16 of a thread in which the only pertinence to USU basketball is the mention if two players leaving?
Yeah i think this thread needs a harpoon at this point so we can start a new one.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by Yossarian » April 12th, 2020, 9:34 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 9:24 pm
Yossarian wrote:
April 12th, 2020, 2:33 pm
So we are on page 16 of a thread in which the only pertinence to USU basketball is the mention if two players leaving?
Yeah i think this thread needs a harpoon at this point so we can start a new one.
I would be okay with limiting it to comings and goings of the MWC
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Re: Recruiting

Post by rAggie » April 12th, 2020, 10:12 pm

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Not true... OSU is at the lost level of Big10 academics and their MBA isn’t terribly well respected. Although nominally better than USU, OSU isn’t a ticket to anything other than regional jobs. I’ve worked at two Fortune 100s and we only recruited MBAs for a single division that happened to be in C-bus... any they were considered the lowest rung. He, likely many on the board, must espouse the hats in the mall theory.
What are you talking about cbingham? Fisher has the No. 38 program in the latest US News and World Report rankings. USU, mind you, is unranked. BYU is No. 30 and Utah is 48 IIRC.

Since it's been discussed a bit in this thread, there are a few different types of MBA programs.

Full Time MBAs are where students attend for two years, full time, and are encouraged to not work during the program (some programs disallow working during the program so that you can focus on networking, projects, internships, etc...). Lower ranked MBA programs will take students directly after their undergrad but the more well respected programs require some work experience prior to enrollment.

Professional MBA programs are part-time "night" MBAs that are often the same curriculum and courses and professors as the full time program. In my program at Utah, many of our full time MBA electives were at night and shared with the Professional MBA students.

Executive MBA programs are "weekend" MBA programs that are tailored to mid-career individuals/executives who are looking to network and build some credentials. These programs are traditionally ran by a different department than those that handle traditional MBA programs, often the same department that handles continuing education and professional certifications.

Then you have USU. USU continues to offer a "one year MBA" program that imo is an incredible disservice to its students. I can say without question that at my employer we do not consider USU MBAs because it simply doesn't carry the same rigor as a real full time, two-year program.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by dogie » April 12th, 2020, 11:01 pm

There is a lot of discussion and speculation about Abel and the OSU MBA program. But if he already has an MBA, he’s not going to get another one, for multiple reasons, one being that OSU isn’t going to admit an MBA into its MBA program.

He has got to be doing something else. It could be some sort of other graduate degree in a business discipline.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by SLB » April 12th, 2020, 11:46 pm


Not BYU :thumbsup:



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