USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by Bank Shot » January 31st, 2020, 11:49 am

Real Life Aggie wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 11:34 am
Bank Shot wrote:
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I know the cross references of adjusting the rankings day by day can cause movement up or down for no readily apparent reason. But....how does Liberty jump up from #70 to #61 in one day simply by beating Kennesaw St. (#350)?
Other teams that they beat perhaps doing well? Other teams to whom they lost also doing well?
Has to be, but it's hard to figure when you look at their sheet. Their only Q1 game was a 17 pt loss to LSU, and their only Q2 game was a 13 pt win vs Akron (#83). Outside that, their only wins vs teams in the top 200 are vs. #79 Radford, #165 Vandy, and #151 Towson.

I might be missing something, but I don't see any of their opponents have played last night vs. any team that is ranked in the top half. Just seems odd a jump of 9 in one day just by beating Kennesaw.

Any Aggie NET experts on here that can shed some light?



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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by aggies22 » January 31st, 2020, 12:11 pm

Bank Shot wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 11:49 am
Real Life Aggie wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 11:34 am
Bank Shot wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 11:23 am
I know the cross references of adjusting the rankings day by day can cause movement up or down for no readily apparent reason. But....how does Liberty jump up from #70 to #61 in one day simply by beating Kennesaw St. (#350)?
Other teams that they beat perhaps doing well? Other teams to whom they lost also doing well?
Has to be, but it's hard to figure when you look at their sheet. Their only Q1 game was a 17 pt loss to LSU, and their only Q2 game was a 13 pt win vs Akron (#83). Outside that, their only wins vs teams in the top 200 are vs. #79 Radford, #165 Vandy, and #151 Towson.

I might be missing something, but I don't see any of their opponents have played last night vs. any team that is ranked in the top half. Just seems odd a jump of 9 in one day just by beating Kennesaw.

Any Aggie NET experts on here that can shed some light?
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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by SweepDance » January 31st, 2020, 12:15 pm

Bank Shot wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 11:49 am
Real Life Aggie wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 11:34 am
Bank Shot wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 11:23 am
I know the cross references of adjusting the rankings day by day can cause movement up or down for no readily apparent reason. But....how does Liberty jump up from #70 to #61 in one day simply by beating Kennesaw St. (#350)?
Other teams that they beat perhaps doing well? Other teams to whom they lost also doing well?
Has to be, but it's hard to figure when you look at their sheet. Their only Q1 game was a 17 pt loss to LSU, and their only Q2 game was a 13 pt win vs Akron (#83). Outside that, their only wins vs teams in the top 200 are vs. #79 Radford, #165 Vandy, and #151 Towson.

I might be missing something, but I don't see any of their opponents have played last night vs. any team that is ranked in the top half. Just seems odd a jump of 9 in one day just by beating Kennesaw.

Any Aggie NET experts on here that can shed some light?
I wouldn't call myself an expert, but it seems to me that the NET way overreacts to large margins of victory.



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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by treesap32 » January 31st, 2020, 12:33 pm

SweepDance wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 12:15 pm
Bank Shot wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 11:49 am
Real Life Aggie wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 11:34 am
Bank Shot wrote:
January 31st, 2020, 11:23 am
I know the cross references of adjusting the rankings day by day can cause movement up or down for no readily apparent reason. But....how does Liberty jump up from #70 to #61 in one day simply by beating Kennesaw St. (#350)?
Other teams that they beat perhaps doing well? Other teams to whom they lost also doing well?
Has to be, but it's hard to figure when you look at their sheet. Their only Q1 game was a 17 pt loss to LSU, and their only Q2 game was a 13 pt win vs Akron (#83). Outside that, their only wins vs teams in the top 200 are vs. #79 Radford, #165 Vandy, and #151 Towson.

I might be missing something, but I don't see any of their opponents have played last night vs. any team that is ranked in the top half. Just seems odd a jump of 9 in one day just by beating Kennesaw.

Any Aggie NET experts on here that can shed some light?
I wouldn't call myself an expert, but it seems to me that the NET way overreacts to large margins of victory.
The NET does weigh in margin of victory, but it caps it at 10 points. So if you win by 30 or win by 10, it counts the same.



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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by brownjeans » January 31st, 2020, 12:39 pm

Unfortunately, the activity in this thread has all but guaranteed we'll lose tomorrow.

It will have nothing to do with SDSU - just this thread's nonsense.
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At-large hope?

Post by SwaggieAggie » January 31st, 2020, 1:50 pm

I know a win on Saturday is extremely unlikely. But if we were able to pull off a miracle and win, do you think that immediately puts us back in position for an at-large?

Obviously a ton of work to do before we can even think about that, just wondering what people’s thoughts were.



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Re: At-large hope?

Post by Roy McAvoy » January 31st, 2020, 1:52 pm

There's a decent discussion going about this exact thing in the thread right below this one, the "Up to 73 in the Net Rankings" thread. I agree with Dogie's post in it, except I think USU has to win out (besides 2 losses to SDSU) and then would be in the tourney.
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If they can best SDSU tomorrow (in my view, wildly improbable), they will be pencilled in as an 8 seed, and they’ll be in the field unless they play themselves out of it will multiple bad losses.

A win at SDSU tomorrow would be one of the five highest-quality wins in the entire county through this point in the season.

Even with a loss tomorrow, the Aggies will be in the conversation. The NET ranking might even improve with a loss. If the Aggies drop the SDSU game and one other, and then lose in the MWC championship game to SDSU, I think they are barely in. Anything short of that will leave them out.



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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by treesap32 » January 31st, 2020, 2:08 pm

I think with a win we jump into the low 40's, maybe even high thirties which should put us definitely in contention. We would have two great wins and one very good Quad 1 wins at that point. We need Florida to stay in the top 50. If we lose to SDSU it will be tough, but probably not impossible.



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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by SDSU » January 31st, 2020, 3:41 pm

SDSU is #1 in NET, so by beating them, they should be in that 8/9 line or a non first four 11 line when it comes to seeding.



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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by dogie » January 31st, 2020, 3:59 pm

SDSU wrote:
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SDSU is #1 in NET, so by beating them, they should be in that 8/9 line or a non first four 11 line when it comes to seeding.
This is exactly what I think. Losing to SDSU won’t help, but there is a path to the NCAA tournament even if the Aggies lose to SDSU three times this year.

I have been happy to see that the Aztecs are able to maintain a #1 position even while playing a MWC schedule.



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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by Jjoey52 » January 31st, 2020, 10:37 pm

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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by dogie » February 2nd, 2020, 7:38 am

The loss to SDSU dropped the Aggies from 54 to 57. That’s exactly where they were four days ago after beating Wyoming.

There is plenty of work to do, but they are in a position where they can play themselves into the tournament over the next four weeks.
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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by dogie » February 2nd, 2020, 10:54 pm

And they are back up to 55 after a very light Super Bowl Sunday national schedule today.

I find it interesting that the Aggies’ NET ranking does practically nothing but improve on days they don’t play.



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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by Cheecho6 » February 3rd, 2020, 8:19 pm

How many teams ranked from 50-60 in the NET last year made it to the tournament?


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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by QuackAttackAggie » February 3rd, 2020, 9:04 pm

Cheecho6 wrote:
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How many teams ranked from 50-60 in the NET last year made it to the tournament?


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Oregon (51) autobid, 12 seed
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Arizona State (63), at large, 11 seed, play in
St John's (72) at large, 11 seed, play in
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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by QuackAttackAggie » February 3rd, 2020, 9:07 pm

This site will show you how games between other teams today will affect RPI ranking, which you can use to extrapolate for net somewhat

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2020/ ... Utah-State



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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by Rabidchild » February 3rd, 2020, 9:51 pm

dogie wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 7:38 am
The loss to SDSU dropped the Aggies from 54 to 57. That’s exactly where they were four days ago after beating Wyoming.

There is plenty of work to do, but they are in a position where they can play themselves into the tournament over the next four weeks.
We, dogie, WE can play OURSELVES into the tournament.... I'm concerned that your fandom is becoming too objective.
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Re: USU up to 73 in NET Rankings

Post by dogie » February 4th, 2020, 12:27 am

Rabidchild wrote:
February 3rd, 2020, 9:51 pm
dogie wrote:
February 2nd, 2020, 7:38 am
The loss to SDSU dropped the Aggies from 54 to 57. That’s exactly where they were four days ago after beating Wyoming.

There is plenty of work to do, but they are in a position where they can play themselves into the tournament over the next four weeks.
We, dogie, WE can play OURSELVES into the tournament.... I'm concerned that your fandom is becoming too objective.
Right on! That’s why I watch the games!



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