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Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 19th, 2019, 11:01 am
by Roy McAvoy
treesap32 wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 9:41 am
The life of NET ratings... Win against USF on a neutral site and drop in the rankings. USF went up by losing to us.
I think our drop was more due to LSU losing to East Tennessee state.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 19th, 2019, 11:16 am
by slcagg
Roy McAvoy wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 11:01 am
treesap32 wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 9:41 am
The life of NET ratings... Win against USF on a neutral site and drop in the rankings. USF went up by losing to us.
I think our drop was more due to LSU losing to East Tennessee state.
Correct. But as I pointed out in another thread I’m not sure why LSU is so high. They are higher than all 3 teams they have lost to.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 19th, 2019, 11:19 am
by SLB
slcagg wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 11:16 am
Roy McAvoy wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 11:01 am
treesap32 wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 9:41 am
The life of NET ratings... Win against USF on a neutral site and drop in the rankings. USF went up by losing to us.
I think our drop was more due to LSU losing to East Tennessee state.
Correct. But as I pointed out in another thread I’m not sure why LSU is so high. They are higher than all 3 teams they have lost to.
It is whole score efficiency focus added to the NET rankings.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 19th, 2019, 4:33 pm
by Zaggie07

ProvoAggie wrote:This is something that treesap and I are working on. It's not done yet but you can see our schedule breakdown with NET Quadrants and records here:
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https://www.bracketologists.com/team/utah-state-aggies

Outside of the team pages not a lot is complete yet.
Amazing website. Wow.

If you are taking suggestions, on the team pages I notice that the chart which tracks NET rating over time scales from 1-400. It can be difficult to see changes. Would there be any way to dynamically make the scale fit the values better? So, for the Aggies our NET has gone from 47 to 47 to 51 to 55. Perhaps fit the scale from 45 to 60. If our rating moves outside of that, the scale would adjust accordingly, such as if we move up to 43 the scale would be 40 to 60.

Might not be as good for comparing teams since the scale would be different for each, but I don't suppose that is the main use of the trend line anyway.

Anyway, just a thought.

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Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 19th, 2019, 5:01 pm
by ProvoAggie
Zaggie07 wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 4:33 pm
ProvoAggie wrote:This is something that treesap and I are working on. It's not done yet but you can see our schedule breakdown with NET Quadrants and records here:
Image
https://www.bracketologists.com/team/utah-state-aggies

Outside of the team pages not a lot is complete yet.
Amazing website. Wow.

If you are taking suggestions, on the team pages I notice that the chart which tracks NET rating over time scales from 1-400. It can be difficult to see changes. Would there be any way to dynamically make the scale fit the values better? So, for the Aggies our NET has gone from 47 to 47 to 51 to 55. Perhaps fit the scale from 45 to 60. If our rating moves outside of that, the scale would adjust accordingly, such as if we move up to 43 the scale would be 40 to 60.

Might not be as good for comparing teams since the scale would be different for each, but I don't suppose that is the main use of the trend line anyway.

Anyway, just a thought.

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I made some small tweaks to the graph. It's something that sap and I argued about. Being that I was the programmer I initially won but if other's want that then I'll give in a little.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 19th, 2019, 5:09 pm
by Zaggie07
ProvoAggie wrote:
Zaggie07 wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 4:33 pm
ProvoAggie wrote:This is something that treesap and I are working on. It's not done yet but you can see our schedule breakdown with NET Quadrants and records here:
Image
https://www.bracketologists.com/team/utah-state-aggies

Outside of the team pages not a lot is complete yet.
Amazing website. Wow.

If you are taking suggestions, on the team pages I notice that the chart which tracks NET rating over time scales from 1-400. It can be difficult to see changes. Would there be any way to dynamically make the scale fit the values better? So, for the Aggies our NET has gone from 47 to 47 to 51 to 55. Perhaps fit the scale from 45 to 60. If our rating moves outside of that, the scale would adjust accordingly, such as if we move up to 43 the scale would be 40 to 60.

Might not be as good for comparing teams since the scale would be different for each, but I don't suppose that is the main use of the trend line anyway.

Anyway, just a thought.

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I made some small tweaks to the graph. It's something that sap and I argued about. Being that I was the programmer I initially won but if other's want that then I'll give in a little.
Increments of 25 works. You are a wizard.

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Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 19th, 2019, 7:54 pm
by sneed
SDSU didn’t stay at #1 very long. Cool they are so high.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 19th, 2019, 8:13 pm
by Donman
sneed wrote:SDSU didn’t stay at #1 very long. Cool they are so high.
Higher than Love and Bright?

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Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 19th, 2019, 8:35 pm
by Real Life Aggie
Donman wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:13 pm
sneed wrote:SDSU didn’t stay at #1 very long. Cool they are so high.
Higher than Love and Bright?

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Pretty blunt comment.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 19th, 2019, 8:42 pm
by dogie
treesap32 wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 9:41 am
The life of NET ratings... Win against USF on a neutral site and drop in the rankings. USF went up by losing to us.
Maybe because the two teams essentially played to a tie game and the USU and USF ended up getting repositioned a little closer to each other.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 20th, 2019, 7:52 am
by treesap32
dogie wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 8:42 pm
treesap32 wrote:
December 19th, 2019, 9:41 am
The life of NET ratings... Win against USF on a neutral site and drop in the rankings. USF went up by losing to us.
Maybe because the two teams essentially played to a tie game and the USU and USF ended up getting repositioned a little closer to each other.
Margin of victory does weigh into the formula, but I suspect the weight is very little. But you are correct, for overtime games, the winning team is granted a 1 point win, regardless of the margin of victory at the end of any overtimes.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 20th, 2019, 1:04 pm
by freakboy
Margin of victory is capped at 10, but net efficiency is effectively a margin of victory and that is uncapped.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 20th, 2019, 1:58 pm
by jpswensen
ProvoAggie and treesap32, have you guys posted this places like Reddit's /r/CollegeBasketball? I suspect you could get a lot of national interest because of how clean and easy to follow the website design is.

Is your server set up to take a huge load if it did get some national attention? Or, have you already been getting national recognition and we just don't know about it.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 20th, 2019, 2:53 pm
by treesap32
jpswensen wrote:
December 20th, 2019, 1:58 pm
ProvoAggie and treesap32, have you guys posted this places like Reddit's /r/CollegeBasketball? I suspect you could get a lot of national interest because of how clean and easy to follow the website design is.

Is your server set up to take a huge load if it did get some national attention? Or, have you already been getting national recognition and we just don't know about it.
Someone from this thread posted it on Reddit yesterday and it did get a good amount of love. Right now it's on a shared server, but if it takes off we might look at upgrading it. We'll see.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 20th, 2019, 4:00 pm
by GUS
Somebody over on boogerboard mentioned it and set up a link. Don't let anyone tell you that they aren't interested in USU. Many of their members regularly lurk here.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 22nd, 2019, 2:41 pm
by SLB
We are #51.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 22nd, 2019, 2:45 pm
by SLB
From the NET rankings
0-2 Q1 games (St. Mary's and BYU)
2-0 Q2 games (LSU and Florida)
2-0 Q3 games (North Texas and USF)
7-0 Q4 games (everyone else not named STK)
1-0 non-D1 game (STK)

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 22nd, 2019, 2:58 pm
by Roy McAvoy
SLB wrote:
December 22nd, 2019, 2:41 pm
We are #51.
Thanks for the update. And massive props for actually putting this in its proper thread instead of just creating another new thread again and typing one line.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 22nd, 2019, 3:08 pm
by SLB
Upset alert
#221 UAB beat #23 Duquesne
I suspected this might happen this Duquense has played weak opponents, and UAB is not a bad team.
#131 South Carolina beat #31 Virginia.
#115 New Mexico State got a road win against #90 Miss. State. MWC wins on this one since New Mexico State played New Mexico and Colorado State, and we might be in the top 50 from this.
#25 Richmond lost to #148 Radford 73-58.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 23rd, 2019, 11:03 am
by treesap32
We're back in the top 50. Click the image for more details.

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Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 23rd, 2019, 4:03 pm
by SweepDance
Margin of victory may be capped at 10 points, but those 10 points seem to weigh pretty heavily in the formula. Anytime I see a team move up or down significantly it's usually the result of a 10+ point win.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 23rd, 2019, 4:13 pm
by stwinward
I just clicked into this site. This is amazing. Well done, guys! I am honored to share time on a fan board with the likes of you. :thanks:

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 23rd, 2019, 4:22 pm
by SweepDance
By the way, just had a BYU fan at work mention the site to me. Word is spreading!

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 25th, 2019, 5:21 pm
by scotlandog
Does anyone know of a NET predictor that would say what our NET would be IF we had beaten St Mary’s and BYU? Where would we be at if we were undefeated?


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Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 25th, 2019, 6:45 pm
by BLUERUFiO
The NET Bracket on the site says we are the first of the first four out.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 25th, 2019, 6:55 pm
by ineptimusprime
Our net ranking and, ultimately, seeding rests largely on how Florida and LSU do in SEC play.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 25th, 2019, 7:49 pm
by sneed
scotlandog wrote:Does anyone know of a NET predictor that would say what our NET would be IF we had beaten St Mary’s and BYU? Where would we be at if we were undefeated?


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That would be a cool feature. I really liked the rpi forecast - that would be a cool add on in the future. Predicts games you will win and percentages and what rpi (net in this case) you would likely have with number of wins and probabilities.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 25th, 2019, 8:34 pm
by treesap32
sneed wrote:
December 25th, 2019, 7:49 pm
scotlandog wrote:Does anyone know of a NET predictor that would say what our NET would be IF we had beaten St Mary’s and BYU? Where would we be at if we were undefeated?


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That would be a cool feature. I really liked the rpi forecast - that would be a cool add on in the future. Predicts games you will win and percentages and what rpi (net in this case) you would likely have with number of wins and probabilities.
Freakboy is hoping to build this exact feature in a new website, but it's pretty hard when the NCAA won't release their formula for NET. Instead of having transparency, they have made it a secretive proprietary formula which is hard to predict. They've also reserved the right to tweak it along the way to their liking, even during the season.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 25th, 2019, 8:39 pm
by scotlandog
treesap32 wrote:
sneed wrote:
December 25th, 2019, 7:49 pm
scotlandog wrote:Does anyone know of a NET predictor that would say what our NET would be IF we had beaten St Mary’s and BYU? Where would we be at if we were undefeated?


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That would be a cool feature. I really liked the rpi forecast - that would be a cool add on in the future. Predicts games you will win and percentages and what rpi (net in this case) you would likely have with number of wins and probabilities.
Freakboy is hoping to build this exact feature in a new website, but it's pretty hard when the NCAA won't release their formula for NET. Instead of having transparency, they have made it a secretive proprietary formula which is hard to predict. They've also reserved the right to tweak it along the way to their liking, even during the season.
Understood. I was curious to see how big a negative impact those games have against us since both are playing pretty well. Is it a real negative effect against us or it it more a loss of a positive effect for us. Both are very close to us in the NET rankings.


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Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 25th, 2019, 8:41 pm
by ProvoAggie
scotlandog wrote:
treesap32 wrote:
sneed wrote:
December 25th, 2019, 7:49 pm
scotlandog wrote:Does anyone know of a NET predictor that would say what our NET would be IF we had beaten St Mary’s and BYU? Where would we be at if we were undefeated?


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That would be a cool feature. I really liked the rpi forecast - that would be a cool add on in the future. Predicts games you will win and percentages and what rpi (net in this case) you would likely have with number of wins and probabilities.
Freakboy is hoping to build this exact feature in a new website, but it's pretty hard when the NCAA won't release their formula for NET. Instead of having transparency, they have made it a secretive proprietary formula which is hard to predict. They've also reserved the right to tweak it along the way to their liking, even during the season.
Understood. I was curious to see how big a negative impact those games have against us since both are playing pretty well. Is it a real negative effect against us or it it more a loss of a positive effect for us. Both are very close to us in the NET rankings.


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It's pretty much a loss of being a positive. Losing Q1 and Q2 games don't really hurt you but winning them gives you a boost.

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Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 25th, 2019, 11:44 pm
by SDSU
SLB wrote:
December 22nd, 2019, 2:41 pm
We are #51.
we are the #1 team in the country. SDSU

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 26th, 2019, 12:38 am
by Cuchelain
Are you sure about that SDSU? Your moniker notwithstanding, the number of times you talk about BYU in your posts makes me question your claim that you are really a San Diego state fan. Seems to me you are a closet BYU fan trying to troll under a false identity as an Aztec.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 26th, 2019, 8:06 am
by utaggies
Cuchelain wrote:
December 26th, 2019, 12:38 am
Are you sure about that SDSU? Your moniker notwithstanding, the number of times you talk about BYU in your posts makes me question your claim that you are really a San Diego state fan. Seems to me you are a closet BYU fan trying to troll under a false identity as an Aztec.
DFTT - don’t feed the trolls

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 26th, 2019, 10:43 am
by usu99
The sucky part is just like football we can't beat the teams ahead of us.

Re: NET Rating Tracker

Posted: December 26th, 2019, 10:56 am
by flying_scotsman2.0
usu99 wrote:
December 26th, 2019, 10:43 am
The sucky part is just like football we can't beat the teams ahead of us.
Well, we did beat SDSU.