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Post by Aggiesbleedblue » December 2nd, 2019, 10:09 am

The Aggies fell all the way to 25 after the loss Friday, edging out Florida by one vote.
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Re: New Rankings

Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » December 2nd, 2019, 10:13 am

Aggiesbleedblue wrote:
December 2nd, 2019, 10:09 am
The Aggies fell all the way to 25 after the loss Friday.
Seems fair. Actually, it's pretty good considering we're without one of our best players, our backup center, and other injured players.

The remarkable thing to me is that St. Mary's actually dropped in the rankings...



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Re: New Rankings

Post by ProvoAggie » December 2nd, 2019, 10:21 am

Saint Mary's fell in the rankings but they got 4x as many votes as last week (86 compared to 22). Last week there was a big dropoff after 26. This week it doesn't really drop off until 31.

Aggies still ranked as high as 16: https://collegepolltracker.com/basketba ... ggies/2019



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Re: New Rankings

Post by treesap32 » December 2nd, 2019, 10:41 am

Luckily Adam Grosbard didn't realize we lost last week and kept us at #16 in his ballot. Everyone give him some love:

https://collegepolltracker.com/basketba ... 019/week-5
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Re: New Rankings

Post by aggiesdotcom » December 2nd, 2019, 11:16 am

It sucks that a close road loss to the #28 ranked team sends USU spiraling out of over 40 voters' top 25 but it shows that the margin for error in college basketball, particularly in the pre-season, is razor thin. All of the teams around 14-30 look to be equals at this point. This also shows the importance of winning these test games when it comes down to NCAA seeding. A 7-10 seed does not put is in a position of strength to win beyond R1 (assuming the Aggies put in the conference work to qualify). But a strong preseason, meaning beating S.Florida, BYU, even Florida, are critical to a 4-6 seed range where they can put themselves into position to win that elusive NCAA tourney game.



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Post by Aggiesbleedblue » December 2nd, 2019, 11:30 am

aggiesdotcom wrote:
December 2nd, 2019, 11:16 am
It sucks that a close road loss to the #28 ranked team sends USU spiraling out of over 40 voters' top 25 but it shows that the margin for error in college basketball, particularly in the pre-season, is razor thin. All of the teams around 14-30 look to be equals at this point. This also shows the importance of winning these test games when it comes down to NCAA seeding. A 7-10 seed does not put is in a position of strength to win beyond R1 (assuming the Aggies put in the conference work to qualify). But a strong preseason, meaning beating S.Florida, BYU, even Florida, are critical to a 4-6 seed range where they can put themselves into position to win that elusive NCAA tourney game.
Agree here. I would put that BYU game in the near "must-win" category if we have aspirations of a top 5 seed come March. If we can enter January with a 12-2 record with losses to St Mary's and Florida we'll be in shape to do so.



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Post by aggies1 » December 2nd, 2019, 11:42 am

We dropped out of the Coaches Poll.



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Post by Aggie19 » December 2nd, 2019, 11:44 am

Just curious, do most people on here just assume we're going to lose to Florida? I have seen a few comments with that assumption. I've watched Florida a couple times this year and we can beat them. Just like any other game, we need to come ready to play, but they're not a unbeatable force.


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Post by dyedblue » December 2nd, 2019, 12:37 pm

We are not guaranteed anything in the tournament. If we lose to Florida then I would say we are almost in territory where we need to win our conference tournament to get in. Not being negative here, it is just the reality of things.


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Post by ineptimusprime » December 2nd, 2019, 12:56 pm

The LSU win may end up being better than any win we got last year depending on how their season goes. If we can split with BYU and Florida, and split with SDSU in conference, we should have three marquee wins and be solidly in the 6-10 range seeding wise barring bad losses.



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Re: New Rankings

Post by Real Life Aggie » December 2nd, 2019, 1:11 pm

When pollsters vote on teams, do they vote on the team as currently constituted? Do they consider potential?

In our game against St. Mary's, our lead scorer was hobbled, we didn't have our main center, and our backup center was out getting his appendix removed. Despite all this, we led for most of the game, and held our own against St Mary's, right until they pulled away at the end. [Assume that those voting in the polls actually know/consider this.] Do they vote on us based on how we performed (i.e. not bad, but lost to an opponent just outside of the top 25), or do they also consider upside/potential? Or is it just up to the individual voting and there's no strict guidance?



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Post by dyedblue » December 2nd, 2019, 1:13 pm

Real Life Aggie wrote:When pollsters vote on teams, do they vote on the team as currently constituted? Do they consider potential?

In our game against St. Mary's, our lead scorer was hobbled, we didn't have our main center, and our backup center was out getting his appendix removed. Despite all this, we led for most of the game, and held our own against St Mary's, right until they pulled away at the end. [Assume that those voting in the polls actually know/consider this.] Do they vote on us based on how we performed (i.e. not bad, but lost to an opponent just outside of the top 25), or do they also consider upside/potential? Or is it just up to the individual voting and there's no strict guidance?
Voters and the committee care, at most, about the final score unless it’s duke. I bet most voters couldn’t name one player on Utah State and have never seen us play.


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Re: New Rankings

Post by BigBlueDart » December 2nd, 2019, 1:25 pm

I'm not bothered by any of this. I mean, I recognize that our fall in the polls is disproportionate to the movement that big name teams have had, especially given our loss was a close one on the road against another good team. But it's still early in the season. We have some more good teams left on our schedule, and more opportunities to prove ourselves. If we can get some more wins it will be recognized in the polls over time.
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Re: New Rankings

Post by hickaggie » December 2nd, 2019, 1:29 pm

ineptimusprime wrote:
December 2nd, 2019, 12:56 pm
The LSU win may end up being better than any win we got last year depending on how their season goes. If we can split with BYU and Florida, and split with SDSU in conference, we should have three marquee wins and be solidly in the 6-10 range seeding wise barring bad losses.
The question isn't the seed range. I think your right that the Aggies would merit a 6-10 seed with 1 more non-conference loss, 1 regular season conference loss, and a loss in the Mountain West Championship and if they get in I think they get that. But I'm not sure the committee will let them in under that scenario. Had they beat Washington last year it would give them a lot more room for error but regardless of the fact that the committee is supposed to ignore conference bid totals I can seen them penciling a abnormally weak MWC as a one bid conference under that scenario.

I think the Aggies have one more loss in them during the regular season regardless of who that loss is too. Three losses going into the MWC tourney would be really dicey regardless of metrics and tier wins.



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Post by hickaggie » December 2nd, 2019, 1:35 pm

hickaggie wrote:
December 2nd, 2019, 1:29 pm
ineptimusprime wrote:
December 2nd, 2019, 12:56 pm
The LSU win may end up being better than any win we got last year depending on how their season goes. If we can split with BYU and Florida, and split with SDSU in conference, we should have three marquee wins and be solidly in the 6-10 range seeding wise barring bad losses.
The question isn't the seed range. I think your right that the Aggies would merit a 6-10 seed with 1 more non-conference loss, 1 regular season conference loss, and a loss in the Mountain West Championship and if they get in I think they get that. But I'm not sure the committee will let them in under that scenario. Had they beat Washington last year it would give them a lot more room for error but regardless of the fact that the committee is supposed to ignore conference bid totals I can seen them penciling a abnormally weak MWC as a one bid conference under that scenario.

I think the Aggies have one more loss in them during the regular season regardless of who that loss is too. Three losses going into the MWC tourney would be really dicey regardless of metrics and tier wins.

As far as the polls go I could not give a (I can't express myself without swearing). Absolutely meaningless drivel by media voters who know very little outside their locale. The coaches poll is even less relevant as they are filled out by some AD intern. 25th to 50th is probably where USU is as far as tiers of teams.. Capable of beating any team once but have a long way to go to show they could make a meaningful NCAA run against the best and/or hottest teams. Can they get there. Yes if the stars align health wise this team could be a very tough out.



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Post by Jjoey53 » December 2nd, 2019, 4:30 pm

It matters little in December, March is when it matters. Win lots of games and they will be fine.



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Re: New Rankings

Post by ineptimusprime » December 2nd, 2019, 8:55 pm

hickaggie wrote:
December 2nd, 2019, 1:29 pm
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December 2nd, 2019, 12:56 pm
The LSU win may end up being better than any win we got last year depending on how their season goes. If we can split with BYU and Florida, and split with SDSU in conference, we should have three marquee wins and be solidly in the 6-10 range seeding wise barring bad losses.
The question isn't the seed range. I think your right that the Aggies would merit a 6-10 seed with 1 more non-conference loss, 1 regular season conference loss, and a loss in the Mountain West Championship and if they get in I think they get that. But I'm not sure the committee will let them in under that scenario. Had they beat Washington last year it would give them a lot more room for error but regardless of the fact that the committee is supposed to ignore conference bid totals I can seen them penciling a abnormally weak MWC as a one bid conference under that scenario.

I think the Aggies have one more loss in them during the regular season regardless of who that loss is too. Three losses going into the MWC tourney would be really dicey regardless of metrics and tier wins.
You think a USU team with only three losses and a win over LSU and at least two of BYU, SDSU (x2), and Florida (with only three losses we’ll have to win at least two of those games) is going to be on the bubble going into the conference tourney?

No way, man. We’re solidly in with that resume.

Reality is, we’re probably gonna have more losses than that by the conference tourney, but even then I doubt we’re a bubble team.
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Re: New Rankings

Post by hickaggie » December 2nd, 2019, 9:34 pm

ineptimusprime wrote:
December 2nd, 2019, 8:55 pm
hickaggie wrote:
December 2nd, 2019, 1:29 pm
ineptimusprime wrote:
December 2nd, 2019, 12:56 pm
The LSU win may end up being better than any win we got last year depending on how their season goes. If we can split with BYU and Florida, and split with SDSU in conference, we should have three marquee wins and be solidly in the 6-10 range seeding wise barring bad losses.
The question isn't the seed range. I think your right that the Aggies would merit a 6-10 seed with 1 more non-conference loss, 1 regular season conference loss, and a loss in the Mountain West Championship and if they get in I think they get that. But I'm not sure the committee will let them in under that scenario. Had they beat Washington last year it would give them a lot more room for error but regardless of the fact that the committee is supposed to ignore conference bid totals I can seen them penciling a abnormally weak MWC as a one bid conference under that scenario.

I think the Aggies have one more loss in them during the regular season regardless of who that loss is too. Three losses going into the MWC tourney would be really dicey regardless of metrics and tier wins.
You think a USU team with only three losses and a win over LSU and at least two of BYU, SDSU (x2), and Florida (with only three losses we’ll have to win at least two of those games) is going to be on the bubble going into the conference tourney?

No way, man. We’re solidly in with that resume.

Reality is, we’re probably gonna have more losses than that by the conference tourney, but even then I doubt we’re a bubble team.
Hope you are right. Logically you are spot on. Never doubt the NCAA's depravity though in screwing programs like USU. The Aggies are doing everything right to play by the new rules. But I think they will be focused and win the MW tourney if they are healthy.



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Post by scotlandog » December 3rd, 2019, 12:07 pm

With the new NET rankings, last years field followed pretty well to what NET rankings were saying. Good Q1 and Q2 wins and no bad Q3/4 losses got seeded in. The last teams left out on the bubble were pretty mediocre resumes.


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Post by BLUERUFiO » December 3rd, 2019, 12:11 pm

I forgot about the new NET rankings. That makes me feel a little more comfortable.


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Re: New Rankings

Post by utaggies » December 5th, 2019, 8:15 am

After last night’s somewhat underwhelming performance against SJS, TeamRankings now predicts USU to finish 2nd in the conference behind SDS with 2 more losses than we were projected to have before the game. Here’s the basic write-up:

After beating San Jose St 71-59 yesterday, Utah St. is now projected to finish the regular season 24-5 (15-3 Mountain West).
• The odds that the Aggies make the NCAA tournament are down to 75%, a decrease of 6% since yesterday.
• We currently rank Utah St. as the #25 team in the country, and the #2 team in the Mountain West.
• Next game: Sat, Dec 7 vs. #131 Fresno St. Our power ratings give the Aggies a 92% chance to win.



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Re: New Rankings

Post by Aggie19 » December 5th, 2019, 8:47 am

utaggies wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 8:15 am
After last night’s somewhat underwhelming performance against SJS, TeamRankings now predicts USU to finish 2nd in the conference behind SDS with 2 more losses than we were projected to have before the game. Here’s the basic write-up:

After beating San Jose St 71-59 yesterday, Utah St. is now projected to finish the regular season 24-5 (15-3 Mountain West).
• The odds that the Aggies make the NCAA tournament are down to 75%, a decrease of 6% since yesterday.
• We currently rank Utah St. as the #25 team in the country, and the #2 team in the Mountain West.
• Next game: Sat, Dec 7 vs. #131 Fresno St. Our power ratings give the Aggies a 92% chance to win.
Funny how quickly they forget we're still winning without our starting, future NBA, center or his back-up.

All good, just keep winning fellas.


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Post by Roy McAvoy » December 5th, 2019, 8:51 am

SDSU is just tearing it up. They started the year ranked #97 in kenpom and already up to #25. It is an absolute shame that game in Logan is so early in the year and that the students will be gone for it dangit.
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Post by Aggie84025 » December 5th, 2019, 9:05 am

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SDSU is just tearing it up. They started the year ranked #97 in kenpom and already up to #25. It is an absolute shame that game in Logan is so early in the year and that the students will be gone for it dangit.
They are a legit good team. I wish it was the game in Logan was after the students returned, but still should be a fun atmosphere. Guys will have to play super well to get the victory.



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Re: New Rankings

Post by Aggie84025 » December 5th, 2019, 9:07 am

Aggie19 wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 8:47 am
utaggies wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 8:15 am
After last night’s somewhat underwhelming performance against SJS, TeamRankings now predicts USU to finish 2nd in the conference behind SDS with 2 more losses than we were projected to have before the game. Here’s the basic write-up:

After beating San Jose St 71-59 yesterday, Utah St. is now projected to finish the regular season 24-5 (15-3 Mountain West).
• The odds that the Aggies make the NCAA tournament are down to 75%, a decrease of 6% since yesterday.
• We currently rank Utah St. as the #25 team in the country, and the #2 team in the Mountain West.
• Next game: Sat, Dec 7 vs. #131 Fresno St. Our power ratings give the Aggies a 92% chance to win.
Funny how quickly they forget we're still winning without our starting, future NBA, center or his back-up.

All good, just keep winning fellas.
I feel the same way. We won the game, it was certainly not pretty. I think playing with these expectations is a lot harder than people want to believe. Nice thing is as although we have not looked pretty we are 8-1 and had a 4 point lead against a top 30 team on the road with under 4 minutes to play. We are also playing without arguably a first team all MW player and Merrill is still slowed with his ankle issues. There is a lot time left to play and I think the team will improve.



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Re: New Rankings

Post by Real Life Aggie » December 5th, 2019, 9:47 am

Roy McAvoy wrote:
December 5th, 2019, 8:51 am
SDSU is just tearing it up. They started the year ranked #97 in kenpom and already up to #25. It is an absolute shame that game in Logan is so early in the year and that the students will be gone for it dangit.
I mean, really though. SDSU looks great right now, and I think they're going to be some brutal competition, even once we have Queta back. I'm not frustrated by our drop to #2 per TeamRankings... I'm excited because it gives us more quality competition. And when we win, we'll look that much better.



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Post by sam tingey » December 5th, 2019, 12:05 pm

I'm just glad that SDSU is not crapping the bed in OOC like normal, just to go tear it up during conference play.



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Re: New Rankings

Post by AgMan21 » December 10th, 2019, 2:13 pm

scotlandog wrote:
December 3rd, 2019, 12:07 pm
With the new NET rankings, last years field followed pretty well to what NET rankings were saying. Good Q1 and Q2 wins and no bad Q3/4 losses got seeded in. The last teams left out on the bubble were pretty mediocre resumes.


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Re: New Rankings

Post by Roy McAvoy » December 10th, 2019, 2:24 pm

AgMan21 wrote:
December 10th, 2019, 2:13 pm
scotlandog wrote:
December 3rd, 2019, 12:07 pm
With the new NET rankings, last years field followed pretty well to what NET rankings were saying. Good Q1 and Q2 wins and no bad Q3/4 losses got seeded in. The last teams left out on the bubble were pretty mediocre resumes.


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So as to not anger AK and others with starting a new thread on this topic I figured I'd ask my question here. When do the first NET rankings come out? I've googled and can't find a date or time frame.
I've been wondering the same thing! I've tried extensively to google it but can't get any answers.
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Post by ProvoAggie » December 10th, 2019, 2:38 pm

AgMan21 wrote:
scotlandog wrote:
December 3rd, 2019, 12:07 pm
With the new NET rankings, last years field followed pretty well to what NET rankings were saying. Good Q1 and Q2 wins and no bad Q3/4 losses got seeded in. The last teams left out on the bubble were pretty mediocre resumes.


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So as to not anger AK and others with starting a new thread on this topic I figured I'd ask my question here. When do the first NET rankings come out? I've googled and can't find a date or time frame.
Last year they came out in November and were heavily criticized initially because if some weird placements with limited data. If I remember right, Loyola Marymount was a top 10 team. I read a few weeks ago that it would be in December or January this year. I couldn't find an exact date either though.

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Re: New Rankings

Post by Roy McAvoy » December 15th, 2019, 9:30 am

AgMan21 wrote:
December 10th, 2019, 2:13 pm
scotlandog wrote:
December 3rd, 2019, 12:07 pm
With the new NET rankings, last years field followed pretty well to what NET rankings were saying. Good Q1 and Q2 wins and no bad Q3/4 losses got seeded in. The last teams left out on the bubble were pretty mediocre resumes.


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So as to not anger AK and others with starting a new thread on this topic I figured I'd ask my question here. When do the first NET rankings come out? I've googled and can't find a date or time frame.
The first net rankings are coming out tomorrow. I expect us to be around #40-#50.



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Re: New Rankings

Post by Real Life Aggie » December 15th, 2019, 2:50 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote:
December 15th, 2019, 9:30 am
AgMan21 wrote:
December 10th, 2019, 2:13 pm
scotlandog wrote:
December 3rd, 2019, 12:07 pm
With the new NET rankings, last years field followed pretty well to what NET rankings were saying. Good Q1 and Q2 wins and no bad Q3/4 losses got seeded in. The last teams left out on the bubble were pretty mediocre resumes.


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So as to not anger AK and others with starting a new thread on this topic I figured I'd ask my question here. When do the first NET rankings come out? I've googled and can't find a date or time frame.
The first net rankings are coming out tomorrow. I expect us to be around #40-#50.
And given how we've looked in the past couple of games, I think that's appropriate.

There's a lot of season left, a lot of time to work through the issues we have right now. I still believe we will make it to the tournament seeded better than last year.



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Re: New Rankings

Post by brownjeans » December 15th, 2019, 3:20 pm

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There's a lot of season left, a lot of time to work through the issues we have right now. I still believe we will make it to the tournament seeded better than last year.
Agreed. If you compare last year's schedule and this year's, we're on a stronger position now than we were last year.



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Re: New Rankings

Post by Roy McAvoy » December 16th, 2019, 9:14 am

Lol. SDSU is #3 in the nation in the 1st release of the Net rankings. This is GREAT new for USU, actually.






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Post by ProvoAggie » December 16th, 2019, 9:14 am

Roy McAvoy wrote:
December 16th, 2019, 9:14 am
Lol. SDSU is #3 in the nation in the 1st release of the Net rankings. This is GREAT new for USU, actually.

USU is 47. Full rankings here:
https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/St ... 202019.pdf



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