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Post by nswaggie » May 28th, 2019, 11:43 pm

On paper this may be the deepest Aggie team I can remember. On the zone today coach mentioned he believes they have added depth with some great recruits. I could make a case that against Washington and other times we struggled last year our biggest problem was depth.

How will coach keep all these guys happy? How will they gel? Will anyone redshirt or are they too good to redshirt? Who will take the backup point guard duties? (It has to be Sam IMO). Even if Sam is playing a lot of point guard will less be required of him because he is surrounded with more weapons? How many guys will be in the end of year rotation is 8 ideal or 12? Will our style of play get tweaked at all with Smith’s recruits coming in, in other words how much of last year was Smith adjusting to the personnel he inherited vs. what he really wants to do?

Even with a lot of promise for next season still a lot of questions for me. Can’t wait to watch Smith get his systems and philosophies further engrained in the program. Just based On an outside observation it seems Smith might just have something up his sleeve for this next season as an encore! Hope I’m right excited to see it unfold regardless.

My Incrementally bolder predictions!

1- Sam plays a lot of PG minutes and he makes Smith look like a genius for moving him over to point. (Not saying he starts there but plays all the backup minutes)

2- The starting 5 to start the year
Porter
Merrill
Miller
Bean
Quetta

The starting 5 to end the year
Porter
Merrill
Miller
Bean
Quetta

3- We will have the best bench in the MW hands down.



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Re: Depth

Post by dyedblue » May 28th, 2019, 11:59 pm

Is there a difference maker in our recruits that would have gotten us past Washington? They absolutely killed us.


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Re: Depth

Post by hipsterdoofus21 » May 29th, 2019, 12:19 am

I agree that we’ll see Merrill be our primary ball handler and play maker. That’s what good teams do. They scrap the notion of specific positions in exchange for playing their best players. Primary ball handlers replace traditional point guards.
Plus if Merrill has any NBA aspirations he needs to develop these skills even more. Like Curry did his senior year at Davidson.



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Re: Depth

Post by MetsJetsAggies » May 29th, 2019, 12:53 am

dyedblue wrote:
May 28th, 2019, 11:59 pm
Is there a difference maker in our recruits that would have gotten us past Washington? They absolutely killed us.


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Bairstow is a 6'8 ball handler, Anderson is a 6'7 athletic SF and McChesney is a 6'9 3 point threat. Tough to pin huge expectations on 2 true freshman but they're 2 of our best recruits I've seen on tape/rating wise. The height and length will help



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Re: Depth

Post by dyedblue » May 29th, 2019, 7:36 am

MetsJetsAggies wrote:
dyedblue wrote:
May 28th, 2019, 11:59 pm
Is there a difference maker in our recruits that would have gotten us past Washington? They absolutely killed us.


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Bairstow is a 6'8 ball handler, Anderson is a 6'7 athletic SF and McChesney is a 6'9 3 point threat. Tough to pin huge expectations on 2 true freshman but they're 2 of our best recruits I've seen on tape/rating wise. The height and length will help
I love their potential, but they are true freshmen. I watched an athletic team completely dismantle our team. They took Merrill out and we had nothing. Queta is an absolute stud that looked average at best. Freshmen seem to disappear in games like that.


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Re: Depth

Post by brownjeans » May 29th, 2019, 8:25 am

My issue with the Washington game isn't about who played for us as much as how we played.

I don't think we should let one game change all our thoughts about our team. Washington isn't the most talented team we played.



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Re: Depth

Post by NVAggie » May 29th, 2019, 8:42 am

I thought we played like a team full of players that had never been to the tournament. We didn't match the intensity of Washington. When we had a chance to make a game of it, we followed it up with multiple turnovers and the game was over. I'm hoping that experience will help the 19-20 team perform better.



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Re: Depth

Post by SLB » May 29th, 2019, 9:15 am

Top 6 returning players
Merrill
Queta
Porter
Miller
Bean
Brito
2 players out injuried last year that are back
Grootfaam
Stall
4 new players
Kuba (JC)
Bairstow
Liam
Anderson (JC)
One open spot
We are pretty deep and probably adding one more guard (probably a PG).
If Grootfaam and/or Stall are 100%, this is a big addition to the depth of the team since they were not playing last season.
Stall is a ?, and I believe Grootfaam will be 100% for this upcoming season.
My projected depth chart at this point
PG-Porter, Merrill, Brito, Bairstow
SG-Merrill, Miller, Brito, Bairstow
#3 G-Miller, Brito, Bairstow
SF-Bean, Anderson, Liam
PF/C-Queta, Kuba, Grootfaam, Stall
This could easily change in who the starters since we added some highly rated recruits. Any of the 4 new players could be starters.



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Re: Depth

Post by jpswensen » May 29th, 2019, 10:44 am

Did I miss something, or why isn't anyone talking about Karwowski being in the lineup? Does he have plans to redshirt? I think that since he is coming from a JC that he doesn't have to sit out, right?


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Re: Depth

Post by SLB » May 29th, 2019, 10:55 am

jpswensen wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 10:44 am
Did I miss something, or why isn't anyone talking about Karwowski being in the lineup? Does he have plans to redshirt? I think that since he is coming from a JC that he doesn't have to sit out, right?
Kuba and Anderson don't have to sit out since they are from a JC. I would not rule out the possibility of Queta and Kuba both starting at the same time.



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Re: Depth

Post by Roy McAvoy » May 29th, 2019, 10:58 am

jpswensen wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 10:44 am
Did I miss something, or why isn't anyone talking about Karwowski being in the lineup? Does he have plans to redshirt? I think that since he is coming from a JC that he doesn't have to sit out, right?
Uhh hello?! There's an entire thread about predicting him starting alongside Queta.

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Re: Depth

Post by brownjeans » May 29th, 2019, 11:17 am

jpswensen wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 10:44 am
Did I miss something, or why isn't anyone talking about Karwowski being in the lineup? Does he have plans to redshirt? I think that since he is coming from a JC that he doesn't have to sit out, right?
I think Kuba is shorthand for Karwowski... I don't know how, but that's what I'm guessing.



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Re: Depth

Post by USU78 » May 29th, 2019, 11:34 am

Taking Stall out of the equation (I don't see him ever playing), we have an unbalance, at least as I view things. There are only 5 guards/wings (Bairstow, Brito, Merrill, Miller, and Porter), and 6 posts (Anderson, Bean, Grootfaam, Karwowski, McChesney?, and Queta). Just from a balance perspective, USU really needs that 6th guard/wing, hopefully another point to take the pressure off Porter and leave Brito/Merrill/Bairstow at wings.

I really like the ranginess of the posts: 7'2, 6'11, 6'9, 6'8, 6'7, 6'7 + Bairstow at 6'8. When has USU ever had that much height?
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Re: Depth

Post by USU78 » May 29th, 2019, 11:37 am

brownjeans wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 11:17 am
jpswensen wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 10:44 am
Did I miss something, or why isn't anyone talking about Karwowski being in the lineup? Does he have plans to redshirt? I think that since he is coming from a JC that he doesn't have to sit out, right?
I think Kuba is shorthand for Karwowski... I don't know how, but that's what I'm guessing.
Karwowski's first name is Jakub. Kuba is the Jim to Jakub's James in Polish.


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Re: Depth

Post by slcagg » May 29th, 2019, 11:39 am

USU78 wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 11:34 am
Taking Stall out of the equation (I don't see him ever playing), we have an unbalance, at least as I view things. There are only 4 guards/wings (Bairstow, Brito, Merrill, and Porter), and 6 posts (Anderson, Bean, Grootfaam, Karwowski, McChesney?, and Queta). Just from a balance perspective, USU really needs that 5th guard/wing, hopefully another point to take the pressure off Porter and leave Brito/Merrill/Bairstow at wings.

I really like the ranginess of the posts: 7'2, 6'11, 6'9, 6'8, 6'7, 6'7 + Bairstow at 6'8. When has USU ever had that much height?
We also have Miller on the wing...but to your point we need 1 more guard/wing.



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Re: Depth

Post by USU78 » May 29th, 2019, 11:43 am

slcagg wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 11:39 am
USU78 wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 11:34 am
Taking Stall out of the equation (I don't see him ever playing), we have an unbalance, at least as I view things. There are only 4 guards/wings (Bairstow, Brito, Merrill, and Porter), and 6 posts (Anderson, Bean, Grootfaam, Karwowski, McChesney?, and Queta). Just from a balance perspective, USU really needs that 5th guard/wing, hopefully another point to take the pressure off Porter and leave Brito/Merrill/Bairstow at wings.

I really like the ranginess of the posts: 7'2, 6'11, 6'9, 6'8, 6'7, 6'7 + Bairstow at 6'8. When has USU ever had that much height?
We also have Miller on the wing...but to your point we need 1 more guard/wing.
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Re: Depth

Post by jpswensen » May 29th, 2019, 11:49 am

USU78 wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 11:37 am
brownjeans wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 11:17 am
jpswensen wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 10:44 am
Did I miss something, or why isn't anyone talking about Karwowski being in the lineup? Does he have plans to redshirt? I think that since he is coming from a JC that he doesn't have to sit out, right?
I think Kuba is shorthand for Karwowski... I don't know how, but that's what I'm guessing.
Karwowski's first name is Jakub. Kuba is the Jim to Jakub's James in Polish.
I guess this was my fault. I didn't know Kuba was his nickname and hadn't bothered to look up who this Kuba was that I hadn't heard of. Thanks for explaining instead of getting pissy :)
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Re: Depth

Post by MetsJetsAggies » May 29th, 2019, 3:03 pm

jpswensen wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 10:44 am
Did I miss something, or why isn't anyone talking about Karwowski being in the lineup? Does he have plans to redshirt? I think that since he is coming from a JC that he doesn't have to sit out, right?
If he doesn't redshirt he will still only be a backup for Queta, don't see any way he starts at the 4. If Stall isn't 100% then we may need Karwowski next year, but I'd be tempted to start him off as a RS seeing as Queta will probably play 28-30+ mins a game and Stall, Groot, etc can be the backup 5s

I think Karwowski was a good insurance option in case Queta left, and he will have at least 2 more years after next year if/when Queta leaves then



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Re: Depth

Post by NVAggie » May 29th, 2019, 3:04 pm

Depth is so important. I'm glad we have a lot of length to go along with our depth.



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Re: Depth

Post by hipsterdoofus21 » May 29th, 2019, 3:05 pm

MetsJetsAggies wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 3:03 pm
jpswensen wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 10:44 am
Did I miss something, or why isn't anyone talking about Karwowski being in the lineup? Does he have plans to redshirt? I think that since he is coming from a JC that he doesn't have to sit out, right?
If he doesn't redshirt he will still only be a backup for Queta, don't see any way he starts at the 4. If Stall isn't 100% then we may need Karwowski next year, but I'd be tempted to start him off as a RS seeing as Queta will probably play 28-30+ mins a game and Stall, Groot, etc can be the backup 5s

I think Karwowski was a good insurance option in case Queta left, and he will have at least 2 more years after next year if/when Queta leaves then
Karwowski doesn’t have a redshirt year I thought



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Re: Depth

Post by MetsJetsAggies » May 29th, 2019, 4:10 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 3:05 pm
MetsJetsAggies wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 3:03 pm
jpswensen wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 10:44 am
Did I miss something, or why isn't anyone talking about Karwowski being in the lineup? Does he have plans to redshirt? I think that since he is coming from a JC that he doesn't have to sit out, right?
If he doesn't redshirt he will still only be a backup for Queta, don't see any way he starts at the 4. If Stall isn't 100% then we may need Karwowski next year, but I'd be tempted to start him off as a RS seeing as Queta will probably play 28-30+ mins a game and Stall, Groot, etc can be the backup 5s

I think Karwowski was a good insurance option in case Queta left, and he will have at least 2 more years after next year if/when Queta leaves then
Karwowski doesn’t have a redshirt year I thought
Maybe not, thought he had one. Either way he at least has 3 years of eligibility left, he will be good to have around when we eventually lose Queta



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Re: Depth

Post by treesap32 » May 29th, 2019, 4:12 pm

MetsJetsAggies wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 4:10 pm
hipsterdoofus21 wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 3:05 pm
MetsJetsAggies wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 3:03 pm
jpswensen wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 10:44 am
Did I miss something, or why isn't anyone talking about Karwowski being in the lineup? Does he have plans to redshirt? I think that since he is coming from a JC that he doesn't have to sit out, right?
If he doesn't redshirt he will still only be a backup for Queta, don't see any way he starts at the 4. If Stall isn't 100% then we may need Karwowski next year, but I'd be tempted to start him off as a RS seeing as Queta will probably play 28-30+ mins a game and Stall, Groot, etc can be the backup 5s

I think Karwowski was a good insurance option in case Queta left, and he will have at least 2 more years after next year if/when Queta leaves then
Karwowski doesn’t have a redshirt year I thought
Maybe not, thought he had one. Either way he at least has 3 years of eligibility left, he will be good to have around when we eventually lose Queta
He is listed as a Junior on the official site.

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Re: Depth

Post by MetsJetsAggies » May 29th, 2019, 4:13 pm

treesap32 wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 4:12 pm
MetsJetsAggies wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 4:10 pm
hipsterdoofus21 wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 3:05 pm
MetsJetsAggies wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 3:03 pm
jpswensen wrote:
May 29th, 2019, 10:44 am
Did I miss something, or why isn't anyone talking about Karwowski being in the lineup? Does he have plans to redshirt? I think that since he is coming from a JC that he doesn't have to sit out, right?
If he doesn't redshirt he will still only be a backup for Queta, don't see any way he starts at the 4. If Stall isn't 100% then we may need Karwowski next year, but I'd be tempted to start him off as a RS seeing as Queta will probably play 28-30+ mins a game and Stall, Groot, etc can be the backup 5s

I think Karwowski was a good insurance option in case Queta left, and he will have at least 2 more years after next year if/when Queta leaves then
Karwowski doesn’t have a redshirt year I thought
Maybe not, thought he had one. Either way he at least has 3 years of eligibility left, he will be good to have around when we eventually lose Queta
He is listed as a Junior on the official site.

https://utahstateaggies.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball
Then I believe he has 3 to play 2, meaning he is eligible to redshirt. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure I saw that somewhere



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Re: Depth

Post by Bank Shot » May 29th, 2019, 4:23 pm

Aggie22 replied in another thread that he does NOT have a redshirt year available.



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Re: Depth

Post by Aglicious » May 29th, 2019, 4:23 pm

VerbalCommits lists him as a RS SO this past year, Aggies22 stated he only has 2 to play 2, and his official announcement said he had 2 years of eligibility left.



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Re: Depth

Post by AgMan21 » May 29th, 2019, 5:50 pm

I personally would love to see Kuba playing significant minutes at the 4. He seems to move well and plays well out by the three.



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Re: Depth

Post by GUS » May 29th, 2019, 6:27 pm

Is it Kuba or Anderson that they are petitioning the NCAA to get another year.



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Re: Depth

Post by Blitz79 » May 29th, 2019, 8:00 pm

Someone mentioned Anderson in another thread. I think he was injured and lost most of a year.



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Re: Depth

Post by nswaggie » May 31st, 2019, 9:21 am

dyedblue wrote:
May 28th, 2019, 11:59 pm
Is there a difference maker in our recruits that would have gotten us past Washington? They absolutely killed us.


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I think there is, but only time will tell. As far as the Washington game I think the difference between winning and losing that game did not require a difference maker. It was a one point game with less than ten minutes to go in the second half. What got us back into the game was forcing some turnovers with our own pressure defense. Unfortunately that strategy was not sustainable due to the fact our guys were tired and there was no depth on the bench to give them a rest. Things I think would have gotten us past Washington that we didn’t have then that we plan to have next year:
1- depth
2- Additional ball handlers
3- another year of Quetta development and strength.
4- more scoring threats surrounding Merrill
5- more options and competition at every position (better practice better team)

On a side note I think landing Karwowski is huge even with Quetta coming back. I mean they will be practicing against each other for the whole year. That is gonna make both of them better.



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Re: Depth

Post by AggieUprising50 » May 31st, 2019, 10:36 am

I think we'll need to bring in one more pg.

If I'm not mistaken we only have Merrill, Proter, and Brito as our ball handlers. Any one of these guys get hurt and we're really thin.



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Re: Depth

Post by nswaggie » May 31st, 2019, 4:15 pm

AggieUprising50 wrote:
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I think we'll need to bring in one more pg.

If I'm not mistaken we only have Merrill, Proter, and Brito as our ball handlers. Any one of these guys get hurt and we're really thin.
Bairstow
McChesney
Anderson

All improve The collective ball handling skills of the team. Are they Point guards? No, but nonetheless provide a much needed improvement.

Based on Aggie22’s comments I’ve accepted we may not get another PG that can play immediately and I’m ok with that. Smith has earned my trust.
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Re: Depth

Post by brownjeans » May 31st, 2019, 10:06 pm

What we need are another 1,000 posts about how we need a PG.



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Re: Depth

Post by aggies22 » May 31st, 2019, 10:48 pm

brownjeans wrote:
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What we need are another 1,000 posts about how we need a PG.
Or a 1,000 more from me saying that the coaching staff isn't going to be bringing in a point guard that will play immediately.
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Re: Depth

Post by 2004AG » June 1st, 2019, 3:38 am

brownjeans wrote:What we need are another 1,000 posts about how we need a PG.
Let’s hope the coaching staff reads this board then and actually rethinks their dumb position.

If all us know nothings on here can see the gaping hole as wide as the Grand Canyon, it’s amazing they refuse to.


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Re: Depth

Post by dyedblue » June 1st, 2019, 6:46 am

aggies22 wrote:
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May 31st, 2019, 10:06 pm
What we need are another 1,000 posts about how we need a PG.
Or a 1,000 more from me saying that the coaching staff isn't going to be bringing in a point guard that will play immediately.
I know you are right '22, but what about bringing in a young kids that can play next year when we lose everyone that can handle the basketball?


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