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We have a big problem. First of all I am a loyal aggie fan and will support Smith. Everyone thinks I am in love with Duryea. Fact is I have hardly know him and I have only met him twice. I just think he deserved to have one more year. We made a good run late in the year with a ton of injuries and we have some really good young players. Now if we had a bunch of SR's that we were losing I agree with Hartwell that he should have been let go. But I think we had a good thing going.
As far as fan apathy goes. Doesn't matter who your coach is. If you win we are going to draw fans. We might see a slight increase with fan support to start the year next year with a new coach but if we don't win that will fail quickly. I think patience would have been the best approach with this program. Look at Porter Moser at Loyola. He had 4 losing seasons at Loyola and this year he is going to the final four with his only winning team this year. Patience can pay off.
I am not saying that we would have made it to the final four next year but Duryea had some really good recruits lined up and with what we had coming back I think that we had a chance to make it to the NCAA tournament. When you fire a coach who always have a chance at losing players. Not sure Hartwell gave this much thought. It's not about who you hire that will keep the players. The fact is that players want to play for somebody that recruited them. Nothing against Smith but he didn't recruit these guys. Kids want to play for someone that has invested time and interest in them.
Now we have lost the highest rated recruit in the history of our program. He had 2 very good years here. For those of you that are bagging on Koby as a player I think that is very unfair. He was asked to do a lot for our team and he worked his tail off. They way he would rebound the basketball showed that. We have to remember that he was only a sophomore last year and we would have had 2 more years with him and Merrill. That was going to be a fun backcourt to watch. We don't get to watch that now.
We made a huge jump from the WAC to the MW and it was going to take some time for us to get to where we needed to be. You can say what you want but new AD"S always want to hire their own guys. Hartwell is always tweeting about his hire's at Troy. Hartwell broke up a good young team that had a ton of potential. Now we will be starting over and I think we will be hard pressed to be any good for quite some time. If we would have started winning next year we would have seen fans come back. It doesn't matter who the coach is it is all about winning.
With Koby leaving and I have heard that more will be joining him it will be some long years with USU basketball. With that said I will support Coach Smith and I hope he proves me wrong. I think Hartwell really let us down with this hire tho. He said that we would be shocked with how many people have interest in this job. There is a big difference between having interest and wanting the job. Remember we couldn't convince Connor to come here from Utah and others before we hired Duryea.
This is a tough job to win at in the MW conference. I was hoping for a Mark Fox type or someone that would bring a great deal of excitement to the program. Just didn't happen. Smith wasn't even CSU top choice. Feel really down about the direction our program is going. Going to be some long years ahead I am afraid. I hope I am wrong but don't think I am.
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As far as fan apathy goes. Doesn't matter who your coach is. If you win we are going to draw fans. We might see a slight increase with fan support to start the year next year with a new coach but if we don't win that will fail quickly. I think patience would have been the best approach with this program. Look at Porter Moser at Loyola. He had 4 losing seasons at Loyola and this year he is going to the final four with his only winning team this year. Patience can pay off.
I am not saying that we would have made it to the final four next year but Duryea had some really good recruits lined up and with what we had coming back I think that we had a chance to make it to the NCAA tournament. When you fire a coach who always have a chance at losing players. Not sure Hartwell gave this much thought. It's not about who you hire that will keep the players. The fact is that players want to play for somebody that recruited them. Nothing against Smith but he didn't recruit these guys. Kids want to play for someone that has invested time and interest in them.
Now we have lost the highest rated recruit in the history of our program. He had 2 very good years here. For those of you that are bagging on Koby as a player I think that is very unfair. He was asked to do a lot for our team and he worked his tail off. They way he would rebound the basketball showed that. We have to remember that he was only a sophomore last year and we would have had 2 more years with him and Merrill. That was going to be a fun backcourt to watch. We don't get to watch that now.
We made a huge jump from the WAC to the MW and it was going to take some time for us to get to where we needed to be. You can say what you want but new AD"S always want to hire their own guys. Hartwell is always tweeting about his hire's at Troy. Hartwell broke up a good young team that had a ton of potential. Now we will be starting over and I think we will be hard pressed to be any good for quite some time. If we would have started winning next year we would have seen fans come back. It doesn't matter who the coach is it is all about winning.
With Koby leaving and I have heard that more will be joining him it will be some long years with USU basketball. With that said I will support Coach Smith and I hope he proves me wrong. I think Hartwell really let us down with this hire tho. He said that we would be shocked with how many people have interest in this job. There is a big difference between having interest and wanting the job. Remember we couldn't convince Connor to come here from Utah and others before we hired Duryea.
This is a tough job to win at in the MW conference. I was hoping for a Mark Fox type or someone that would bring a great deal of excitement to the program. Just didn't happen. Smith wasn't even CSU top choice. Feel really down about the direction our program is going. Going to be some long years ahead I am afraid. I hope I am wrong but don't think I am.
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Please use paragraphs and line breaks or no one will read posts as long as these. Your post is really hard to read.usufan5477 wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 8:54 amWe have a big problem. First of all I am a loyal aggie fan and will support Smith. Everyone thinks I am in love with Duryea. Fact is I have hardly know him and I have only met him twice. I just think he deserved to have one more year. We made a good run late in the year with a ton of injuries and we have some really good young players. Now if we had a bunch of SR's that we were losing I agree with Hartwell that he should have been let go. But I think we had a good thing going. As far as fan apathy goes. Doesn't matter who your coach is. If you win we are going to draw fans. We might see a slight increase with fan support to start the year next year with a new coach but if we don't win that will fail quickly. I think patience would have been the best approach with this program. Look at Porter Moser at Loyola. He had 4 losing seasons at Loyola and this year he is going to the final four with his only winning team this year. Patience can pay off. I am not saying that we would have made it to the final four next year but Duryea had some really good recruits lined up and with what we had coming back I think that we had a chance to make it to the NCAA tournament. When you fire a coach who always have a chance at losing players. Not sure Hartwell gave this much thought. It's not about who you hire that will keep the players. The fact is that players want to play for somebody that recruited them. Nothing against Smith but he didn't recruit these guys. Kids want to play for someone that has invested time and interest in them. Now we have lost the highest rated recruit in the history of our program. He had 2 very good years here. For those of you that are bagging on Koby as a player I think that is very unfair. He was asked to do a lot for our team and he worked his tail off. They way he would rebound the basketball showed that. We have to remember that he was only a sophomore last year and we would have had 2 more years with him and Merrill. That was going to be a fun backcourt to watch. We don't get to watch that now. We made a huge jump from the WAC to the MW and it was going to take some time for us to get to where we needed to be. You can say what you want but new AD"S always want to hire their own guys. Hartwell is always tweeting about his hire's at Troy. Hartwell broke up a good young team that had a ton of potential. Now we will be starting over and I think we will be hard pressed to be any good for quite some time. If we would have started winning next year we would have seen fans come back. It doesn't matter who the coach is it is all about winning. With Koby leaving and I have heard that more will be joining him it will be some long years with USU basketball. With that said I will support Coach Smith and I hope he proves me wrong. I think Hartwell really let us down with this hire tho. He said that we would be shocked with how many people have interest in this job. There is a big difference between having interest and wanting the job. Remember we couldn't convince Connor to come here from Utah and others before we hired Duryea. This is a tough job to win at in the MW conference. I was hoping for a Mark Fox type or someone that would bring a great deal of excitement to the program. Just didn't happen. Smith wasn't even CSU top choice. Feel really down about the direction our program is going. Going to be some long years ahead I am afraid. I hope I am wrong but don't think I am.
No one here believes you're not in some way related to or very close to Duryea. At least you're consistent with your message, but it's old and tired.
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You’re been wrong about pretty much everything else, no reason to think you aren’t wrong on this too.usufan5477 wrote:We have a big problem. First of all I am a loyal aggie fan and will support Smith. Everyone thinks I am in love with Duryea. Fact is I have hardly know him and I have only met him twice. I just think he deserved to have one more year. We made a good run late in the year with a ton of injuries and we have some really good young players. Now if we had a bunch of SR's that we were losing I agree with Hartwell that he should have been let go. But I think we had a good thing going. As far as fan apathy goes. Doesn't matter who your coach is. If you win we are going to draw fans. We might see a slight increase with fan support to start the year next year with a new coach but if we don't win that will fail quickly. I think patience would have been the best approach with this program. Look at Porter Moser at Loyola. He had 4 losing seasons at Loyola and this year he is going to the final four with his only winning team this year. Patience can pay off. I am not saying that we would have made it to the final four next year but Duryea had some really good recruits lined up and with what we had coming back I think that we had a chance to make it to the NCAA tournament. When you fire a coach who always have a chance at losing players. Not sure Hartwell gave this much thought. It's not about who you hire that will keep the players. The fact is that players want to play for somebody that recruited them. Nothing against Smith but he didn't recruit these guys. Kids want to play for someone that has invested time and interest in them. Now we have lost the highest rated recruit in the history of our program. He had 2 very good years here. For those of you that are bagging on Koby as a player I think that is very unfair. He was asked to do a lot for our team and he worked his tail off. They way he would rebound the basketball showed that. We have to remember that he was only a sophomore last year and we would have had 2 more years with him and Merrill. That was going to be a fun backcourt to watch. We don't get to watch that now. We made a huge jump from the WAC to the MW and it was going to take some time for us to get to where we needed to be. You can say what you want but new AD"S always want to hire their own guys. Hartwell is always tweeting about his hire's at Troy. Hartwell broke up a good young team that had a ton of potential. Now we will be starting over and I think we will be hard pressed to be any good for quite some time. If we would have started winning next year we would have seen fans come back. It doesn't matter who the coach is it is all about winning. With Koby leaving and I have heard that more will be joining him it will be some long years with USU basketball. With that said I will support Coach Smith and I hope he proves me wrong. I think Hartwell really let us down with this hire tho. He said that we would be shocked with how many people have interest in this job. There is a big difference between having interest and wanting the job. Remember we couldn't convince Connor to come here from Utah and others before we hired Duryea. This is a tough job to win at in the MW conference. I was hoping for a Mark Fox type or someone that would bring a great deal of excitement to the program. Just didn't happen. Smith wasn't even CSU top choice. Feel really down about the direction our program is going. Going to be some long years ahead I am afraid. I hope I am wrong but don't think I am.
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If you don't like my post then don't read it!!!! USU basketball is in for some tough days ahead.
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I about panicked seeing this post but then I seen who wrote it. I get the pessimism if you was wanting to see Duryea continue here. But coach Smith came here with a plan and a vision. He studied USU before applying for the job. He has the character that we want as a coach. Most of us are sad to see Koby go. It sucks. But this coach brings enough optimism to counter any pessimism I have about the change.
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As opposed to the last three years of pure bliss?usufan5477 wrote:If you don't like my post then don't read it!!!! USU basketball is in for some tough days ahead.
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5477, the bottom line to me is that Smith has a much higher ceiling than Duryea. Three years is enough time to build a basketball program and Duryea showed us his ceiling. I want more for USU basketball than what Duryea can do. Love or hate Duryea, it was time for him to move on. I'm certain Smith will bring in some recruits that will make us happy. USU is in line for some good basketball again. So, quit your complaining and hang on for a fun time.
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So who are these big time recruits that TD had lined up? In TD's time here he never once recruited a quality big that made an impact.
How long have we been in the MW? The adjustment period is over. I don't disagree with the betting patient but we weren't headed to being world beaters.
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I think Koby was leaving even if Duryea had stayed. His ultimate goal is to get to the NBA and if his talents aren't being noticed because he's stuck on a mediocre team that is never in the tournament, he feels that goal is in jeopardy. His sights were on transferring up to P5 next year all along IMO.
And Duryea's alleged "top juco recruits" as he liked to put it, should have been referred to as the "top remaining juco recruits" because that's a more accurate description since he once again waited until the late signing period to sift through the juco compost heap for treasures. He used up the early signing period scholie on a guy like Grootfaam who would've been around well into spring, and even if he wasn't wouldn't have been a big loss.
And Duryea's alleged "top juco recruits" as he liked to put it, should have been referred to as the "top remaining juco recruits" because that's a more accurate description since he once again waited until the late signing period to sift through the juco compost heap for treasures. He used up the early signing period scholie on a guy like Grootfaam who would've been around well into spring, and even if he wasn't wouldn't have been a big loss.
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When I saw the headline and the post, I thought the problem was the tab button and enter key were broken on your keyboard.usufan5477 wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 8:54 amWe have a big problem. First of all I am a loyal aggie fan and will support Smith. Everyone thinks I am in love with Duryea. Fact is I have hardly know him and I have only met him twice. I just think he deserved to have one more year. We made a good run late in the year with a ton of injuries and we have some really good young players. Now if we had a bunch of SR's that we were losing I agree with Hartwell that he should have been let go. But I think we had a good thing going. As far as fan apathy goes. Doesn't matter who your coach is. If you win we are going to draw fans. We might see a slight increase with fan support to start the year next year with a new coach but if we don't win that will fail quickly. I think patience would have been the best approach with this program. Look at Porter Moser at Loyola. He had 4 losing seasons at Loyola and this year he is going to the final four with his only winning team this year. Patience can pay off. I am not saying that we would have made it to the final four next year but Duryea had some really good recruits lined up and with what we had coming back I think that we had a chance to make it to the NCAA tournament. When you fire a coach who always have a chance at losing players. Not sure Hartwell gave this much thought. It's not about who you hire that will keep the players. The fact is that players want to play for somebody that recruited them. Nothing against Smith but he didn't recruit these guys. Kids want to play for someone that has invested time and interest in them. Now we have lost the highest rated recruit in the history of our program. He had 2 very good years here. For those of you that are bagging on Koby as a player I think that is very unfair. He was asked to do a lot for our team and he worked his tail off. They way he would rebound the basketball showed that. We have to remember that he was only a sophomore last year and we would have had 2 more years with him and Merrill. That was going to be a fun backcourt to watch. We don't get to watch that now. We made a huge jump from the WAC to the MW and it was going to take some time for us to get to where we needed to be. You can say what you want but new AD"S always want to hire their own guys. Hartwell is always tweeting about his hire's at Troy. Hartwell broke up a good young team that had a ton of potential. Now we will be starting over and I think we will be hard pressed to be any good for quite some time. If we would have started winning next year we would have seen fans come back. It doesn't matter who the coach is it is all about winning. With Koby leaving and I have heard that more will be joining him it will be some long years with USU basketball. With that said I will support Coach Smith and I hope he proves me wrong. I think Hartwell really let us down with this hire tho. He said that we would be shocked with how many people have interest in this job. There is a big difference between having interest and wanting the job. Remember we couldn't convince Connor to come here from Utah and others before we hired Duryea. This is a tough job to win at in the MW conference. I was hoping for a Mark Fox type or someone that would bring a great deal of excitement to the program. Just didn't happen. Smith wasn't even CSU top choice. Feel really down about the direction our program is going. Going to be some long years ahead I am afraid. I hope I am wrong but don't think I am.
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You guys will be changing your mind very quickly when USU struggles in the coming years. I hope I am wrong but don't think I am.
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Tap tap tap. What do you think we have been doing the past several years?usufan5477 wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 11:38 amYou guys will be changing your mind very quickly when USU struggles in the coming years. I hope I am wrong but don't think I am.
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If we don't get some players in then we will struggle next year. Hopefully we take after that though.
Usufan, doesn't it seem strange to you that you are the only one that is not happy with the change? I mean, if you ask the audience for help on a question and 99% agrees on an answer...
Usufan, doesn't it seem strange to you that you are the only one that is not happy with the change? I mean, if you ask the audience for help on a question and 99% agrees on an answer...
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FIFYusufan5477 wrote:You guys will be changing your mind very quickly when USU <<continues to struggle>> in the coming years. I hope I am wrong but don't think I am.
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I would hope you support your family in a different way than you "support" coach Smith. I would be interested to hear how your family feels if you are continually telling them that you are loyal and will support them, followed by repeatedly telling them that you think they will fail. I bet they wouldn't interpret it as true support.usufan5477 wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 8:54 amFirst of all I am a loyal aggie fan and will support Smith.
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Or just honesty! I feel the same way! Hard to run a race without horses!ususports wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 12:20 pmI would hope you support your family in a different way than you "support" coach Smith. I would be interested to hear how your family feels if you are continually telling them that you are loyal and will support them, followed by repeatedly telling them that you think they will fail. I bet they wouldn't interpret it as true support.usufan5477 wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 8:54 amFirst of all I am a loyal aggie fan and will support Smith.
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It's fine to feel that way. However, don't proclaim unconditional support for the new coach followed by long essays and never ending posts about how you think he will fail.Hoopsnut wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 12:27 pmOr just honesty! I feel the same way! Hard to run a race without horses!ususports wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 12:20 pmI would hope you support your family in a different way than you "support" coach Smith. I would be interested to hear how your family feels if you are continually telling them that you are loyal and will support them, followed by repeatedly telling them that you think they will fail. I bet they wouldn't interpret it as true support.usufan5477 wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 8:54 amFirst of all I am a loyal aggie fan and will support Smith.
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Has USU not been struggling the last several years?usufan5477 wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 11:38 amYou guys will be changing your mind very quickly when USU struggles in the coming years. I hope I am wrong but don't think I am.
I really don't want to be someone that keeps bringing up Duryea, but since you refuse to move on I guess we have to. Many believe Koby was going to transfer out regardless of whether Duryea was back and I tend to agree with them. If that was the case next year would have been a step back with a 4th year lame duck coach. Might as well make the change now and get things going. Even if Koby was going to stay, Duryea did not do enough with Koby. The two years with Koby on the team have been our two worst seasons since the Kohn Smith days. Only two years we haven't had winning seasons. Not only did we have a losing season in the MW, but we lost to Weber State back to back years and had some other inexcusable losses like at home to a bad Indiana State team. Duryea showed he could not put a good enough team around Koby. Had we been winning, both Duryea and Koby probably would still be here. The lack of winning led to Duryea being fired and Koby looking elsewhere.
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No usufan5477, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM! You keep posting the same junk. We know your thoughts. And they are wrong. USU basketball needed an energy injection badly. Duryea brought nothing positive to the program as a head coach. I'm sorry. Get over it. You are literally the only one that can't see it.
usufan5477 wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 8:54 amWe have a big problem. First of all I am a loyal aggie fan and will support Smith. Everyone thinks I am in love with Duryea. Fact is I have hardly know him and I have only met him twice. I just think he deserved to have one more year. We made a good run late in the year with a ton of injuries and we have some really good young players. Now if we had a bunch of SR's that we were losing I agree with Hartwell that he should have been let go. But I think we had a good thing going. As far as fan apathy goes. Doesn't matter who your coach is. If you win we are going to draw fans. We might see a slight increase with fan support to start the year next year with a new coach but if we don't win that will fail quickly. I think patience would have been the best approach with this program. Look at Porter Moser at Loyola. He had 4 losing seasons at Loyola and this year he is going to the final four with his only winning team this year. Patience can pay off. I am not saying that we would have made it to the final four next year but Duryea had some really good recruits lined up and with what we had coming back I think that we had a chance to make it to the NCAA tournament. When you fire a coach who always have a chance at losing players. Not sure Hartwell gave this much thought. It's not about who you hire that will keep the players. The fact is that players want to play for somebody that recruited them. Nothing against Smith but he didn't recruit these guys. Kids want to play for someone that has invested time and interest in them. Now we have lost the highest rated recruit in the history of our program. He had 2 very good years here. For those of you that are bagging on Koby as a player I think that is very unfair. He was asked to do a lot for our team and he worked his tail off. They way he would rebound the basketball showed that. We have to remember that he was only a sophomore last year and we would have had 2 more years with him and Merrill. That was going to be a fun backcourt to watch. We don't get to watch that now. We made a huge jump from the WAC to the MW and it was going to take some time for us to get to where we needed to be. You can say what you want but new AD"S always want to hire their own guys. Hartwell is always tweeting about his hire's at Troy. Hartwell broke up a good young team that had a ton of potential. Now we will be starting over and I think we will be hard pressed to be any good for quite some time. If we would have started winning next year we would have seen fans come back. It doesn't matter who the coach is it is all about winning. With Koby leaving and I have heard that more will be joining him it will be some long years with USU basketball. With that said I will support Coach Smith and I hope he proves me wrong. I think Hartwell really let us down with this hire tho. He said that we would be shocked with how many people have interest in this job. There is a big difference between having interest and wanting the job. Remember we couldn't convince Connor to come here from Utah and others before we hired Duryea. This is a tough job to win at in the MW conference. I was hoping for a Mark Fox type or someone that would bring a great deal of excitement to the program. Just didn't happen. Smith wasn't even CSU top choice. Feel really down about the direction our program is going. Going to be some long years ahead I am afraid. I hope I am wrong but don't think I am.
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Message isn't old or tiring because of the long post. However, It is true!Madmartigan wrote:Please use paragraphs and line breaks or no one will read posts as long as these. Your post is really hard to read.usufan5477 wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 8:54 amWe have a big problem. First of all I am a loyal aggie fan and will support Smith. Everyone thinks I am in love with Duryea. Fact is I have hardly know him and I have only met him twice. I just think he deserved to have one more year. We made a good run late in the year with a ton of injuries and we have some really good young players. Now if we had a bunch of SR's that we were losing I agree with Hartwell that he should have been let go. But I think we had a good thing going. As far as fan apathy goes. Doesn't matter who your coach is. If you win we are going to draw fans. We might see a slight increase with fan support to start the year next year with a new coach but if we don't win that will fail quickly. I think patience would have been the best approach with this program. Look at Porter Moser at Loyola. He had 4 losing seasons at Loyola and this year he is going to the final four with his only winning team this year. Patience can pay off. I am not saying that we would have made it to the final four next year but Duryea had some really good recruits lined up and with what we had coming back I think that we had a chance to make it to the NCAA tournament. When you fire a coach who always have a chance at losing players. Not sure Hartwell gave this much thought. It's not about who you hire that will keep the players. The fact is that players want to play for somebody that recruited them. Nothing against Smith but he didn't recruit these guys. Kids want to play for someone that has invested time and interest in them. Now we have lost the highest rated recruit in the history of our program. He had 2 very good years here. For those of you that are bagging on Koby as a player I think that is very unfair. He was asked to do a lot for our team and he worked his tail off. They way he would rebound the basketball showed that. We have to remember that he was only a sophomore last year and we would have had 2 more years with him and Merrill. That was going to be a fun backcourt to watch. We don't get to watch that now. We made a huge jump from the WAC to the MW and it was going to take some time for us to get to where we needed to be. You can say what you want but new AD"S always want to hire their own guys. Hartwell is always tweeting about his hire's at Troy. Hartwell broke up a good young team that had a ton of potential. Now we will be starting over and I think we will be hard pressed to be any good for quite some time. If we would have started winning next year we would have seen fans come back. It doesn't matter who the coach is it is all about winning. With Koby leaving and I have heard that more will be joining him it will be some long years with USU basketball. With that said I will support Coach Smith and I hope he proves me wrong. I think Hartwell really let us down with this hire tho. He said that we would be shocked with how many people have interest in this job. There is a big difference between having interest and wanting the job. Remember we couldn't convince Connor to come here from Utah and others before we hired Duryea. This is a tough job to win at in the MW conference. I was hoping for a Mark Fox type or someone that would bring a great deal of excitement to the program. Just didn't happen. Smith wasn't even CSU top choice. Feel really down about the direction our program is going. Going to be some long years ahead I am afraid. I hope I am wrong but don't think I am.
No one here believes you're not in some way related to or very close to Duryea. At least you're consistent with your message, but it's old and tired.
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You guys are missing the point. We made it to the conf. semi's with a ton of injuries and a bunch of good young players. Patience should have been the approach to keep a good young team intact. Now it is broken up. Since all of you are so pumped about what is going on. No complaining next year then!!!!!!!!!!!
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Isby already bailed. Koby was leaving anyway. Ainge wouldn't surprise me.
So who is leaving BECAUSE of the coaching change?
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Sock puppet.NevAggie wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 4:45 pmMessage isn't old or tiring because of the long post. However, It is true!Madmartigan wrote:Please use paragraphs and line breaks or no one will read posts as long as these. Your post is really hard to read.usufan5477 wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 8:54 amWe have a big problem. First of all I am a loyal aggie fan and will support Smith. Everyone thinks I am in love with Duryea. Fact is I have hardly know him and I have only met him twice. I just think he deserved to have one more year. We made a good run late in the year with a ton of injuries and we have some really good young players. Now if we had a bunch of SR's that we were losing I agree with Hartwell that he should have been let go. But I think we had a good thing going. As far as fan apathy goes. Doesn't matter who your coach is. If you win we are going to draw fans. We might see a slight increase with fan support to start the year next year with a new coach but if we don't win that will fail quickly. I think patience would have been the best approach with this program. Look at Porter Moser at Loyola. He had 4 losing seasons at Loyola and this year he is going to the final four with his only winning team this year. Patience can pay off. I am not saying that we would have made it to the final four next year but Duryea had some really good recruits lined up and with what we had coming back I think that we had a chance to make it to the NCAA tournament. When you fire a coach who always have a chance at losing players. Not sure Hartwell gave this much thought. It's not about who you hire that will keep the players. The fact is that players want to play for somebody that recruited them. Nothing against Smith but he didn't recruit these guys. Kids want to play for someone that has invested time and interest in them. Now we have lost the highest rated recruit in the history of our program. He had 2 very good years here. For those of you that are bagging on Koby as a player I think that is very unfair. He was asked to do a lot for our team and he worked his tail off. They way he would rebound the basketball showed that. We have to remember that he was only a sophomore last year and we would have had 2 more years with him and Merrill. That was going to be a fun backcourt to watch. We don't get to watch that now. We made a huge jump from the WAC to the MW and it was going to take some time for us to get to where we needed to be. You can say what you want but new AD"S always want to hire their own guys. Hartwell is always tweeting about his hire's at Troy. Hartwell broke up a good young team that had a ton of potential. Now we will be starting over and I think we will be hard pressed to be any good for quite some time. If we would have started winning next year we would have seen fans come back. It doesn't matter who the coach is it is all about winning. With Koby leaving and I have heard that more will be joining him it will be some long years with USU basketball. With that said I will support Coach Smith and I hope he proves me wrong. I think Hartwell really let us down with this hire tho. He said that we would be shocked with how many people have interest in this job. There is a big difference between having interest and wanting the job. Remember we couldn't convince Connor to come here from Utah and others before we hired Duryea. This is a tough job to win at in the MW conference. I was hoping for a Mark Fox type or someone that would bring a great deal of excitement to the program. Just didn't happen. Smith wasn't even CSU top choice. Feel really down about the direction our program is going. Going to be some long years ahead I am afraid. I hope I am wrong but don't think I am.
No one here believes you're not in some way related to or very close to Duryea. At least you're consistent with your message, but it's old and tired.
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I think Hartwell did take risk in doing what he did and I give him credit for that. I hope it pays off. To me it was obvious that this team was improving and would have been much better without some key injuries - and I think the fans would have come back with next years team. Those saying Koby leaving is not related to the coaching move are trying to justify what they hope is true but evidence says otherwise. That being said, everything listening to Smith and watching him is very positive. But he clearly has his work cut out for him, especially after loosing Koby. I dont think they can afford to be worse next year. I dont think fans are going to games to watch a team with an energetic coach lose.
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Just because we made a run in the conference tournament this year doesn’t mean that the the program was trending upwards or that Duryea was a good coach. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
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A little hint. Don't write such big posts. I didn't read more than a few lines. I dare say that most didn't read the entire thesis paper of a post. I personally don't care that you want people to like you and understand you. If you have a point to make...MAKE IT!!!! Don't go on and on like you don't have a life.
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We might take a step back next year. We have a new coach that is unfamiliar to USU and our second best player left the program. It would be understandable. Bringing in Craig Smith wasn't about an immediate turn around. What wasn't understandable was to take a step back in 2015 when you returned all 5 starters and promoted the Associate Head Coach who was familiar with all of the players on the roster.gomretat wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 8:49 pmI think Hartwell did take risk in doing what he did and I give him credit for that. I hope it pays off. To me it was obvious that this team was improving and would have been much better without some key injuries - and I think the fans would have come back with next years team. Those saying Koby leaving is not related to the coaching move are trying to justify what they hope is true but evidence says otherwise. That being said, everything listening to Smith and watching him is very positive. But he clearly has his work cut out for him, especially after loosing Koby. I dont think they can afford to be worse next year. I dont think fans are going to games to watch a team with an energetic coach lose.
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Also paragraphs can be your friend. I would add that if there is a giant opening post, people don't need to quote it. We understand what you are responding to and it can make a thread more difficult to read if we have this ultra long post followed by a bunch of quotes of that ultra long post.mcaggie1 wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 9:18 pmA little hint. Don't write such big posts. I didn't read more than a few lines. I dare say that most didn't read the entire thesis paper of a post. I personally don't care that you want people to like you and understand you. If you have a point to make...MAKE IT!!!! Don't go on and on like you don't have a life.
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PREACHAggie in Hawaii wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 9:20 pmAlso paragraphs can be your friend. I would add that if there is a giant opening post, people don't need to quote it. We understand what you are responding to and it can make a thread more difficult to read if we have this ultra long post followed by a bunch of quotes of that ultra long post.mcaggie1 wrote: ↑March 31st, 2018, 9:18 pmA little hint. Don't write such big posts. I didn't read more than a few lines. I dare say that most didn't read the entire thesis paper of a post. I personally don't care that you want people to like you and understand you. If you have a point to make...MAKE IT!!!! Don't go on and on like you don't have a life.
It’s not that big a deal and it doesn’t really bother me a whole lot, but this would certainly make life easier
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Yeah it isn't that big of a deal, but just my two cents whenever there is a massive opening post.