Peery and Dooley in top 3

dogie · Post by **dogie** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:03 pm

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The only plus Peery has over Dooley IMO is familiarity with this region of the country.

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I'm familiar with the region as well. Maybe I should throw my hat into the ring.

Just to be clear, I would not take the job if I got an offer. You guys would turn on me before November is over.

BigBlueDart · Post by **BigBlueDart** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:03 pm

dogie wrote: ↑
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treesap32 wrote: ↑
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JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑
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The only plus Peery has over Dooley IMO is familiarity with this region of the country.

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I'm familiar with the region as well. Maybe I should throw my hat into the ring.
Just to be clear, I would not take the job if I got an offer. You guys would turn on me before November is over.

It's cute that you think you would last that long.

Madmartigan · Post by **Madmartigan** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:04 pm

If Lloyd isn't an option, put me in the Dooley camp. Besides having HC experience at two different schools (with a winning record at both), he has close to a decade of coaching under Bill Self at Kansas. That's a pretty good guy to learn from. Dooley coached and developed 10 guys that went into the NBA and recruited several all Americans. Yeah yeah yeah I know we're not Kansas, but he had success at FGCU, which has much less basketball history than we do. He also has experience coaching in the west at UNM and Wyo. So I'm with you in asking: Why do we want Peery over Dooley?

Post by **treesap32** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:05 pm

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Peery suspended his 21 ppg guard North a few games into the Big Sky season (granted they had a few losses by that point already).

His OOC performance is good enough for me. Beat Stanford, blew Cal out (granted they sucked this year), lost to Butler by 2, and anyone who watched them play Duke know it was a LOT closer than the final score would indicate as they were up 4 at half time and winning with under 14 minutes left in the game before Duke pulled away towards the end.

Stanford was barely a top 100 program and it was on a neutral court. But you're right, it was a good win. Especially at portland state. Cal was a terrible program (as you mentioned). RPI sub 200. Had they lost that game it would've been a bad loss. They did lead Duke. But I don't count moral victories as a coaching requirement. I like wins better than coming close to winning.

They had 2 "good" OOC victories. One against Stanford and one against Utah State (who wasn't very good).

In conference they achieved their best victory of the year winning by 1 at Idaho who was around 130 RPI IIRC.

I'm just flabbergasted that people's main arguments for Peery are giving excuses on why he didn't finish higher than 7th place in the Big Sky, and saying that he played Duke close.

2004AG · Post by **2004AG** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:06 pm

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2004AG wrote:I hope this doesn't mean Lloyd is out.

Out of Dooley and Peery, I hope its Peery.

Looks like Lloyd is out.

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I was afraid of that.

Tell me its Peery's job then at this point......

For the most part I've liked about every candidate that has been talked about, Dooley is the ONLY candidate that I think would be a disaster.
What are you guys smoking? I need to get me some of that. Hope Hartwell's not smoking it as well though.

Dooley has an overall record of 114-58 at Florida Gulf Coast (.663) winning at least 22 games a season every year he's coached there. He has reached postseason every single year as well. 2 NCAA tournaments, 2 NIT, and 1 CIT. He has 3 conference titles, and two second place finishes.

Meanwhile Barret Peery wins 20 games against cupcakes and finishes 7th place in the Big Sky failing to get better than a .500 record against those teams in that conference.

And somehow Peery is dreamy and Dooley is a disaster?

I am honestly so confused at what you guys are seeing here. What am I missing?

You've heard all the reasons, you just don't like them.

Post by **treesap32** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:08 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2018, 3:06 pm

treesap32 wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2018, 2:52 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2018, 2:33 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2018, 2:29 pm

2004AG wrote:I hope this doesn't mean Lloyd is out.

Out of Dooley and Peery, I hope its Peery.

Looks like Lloyd is out.

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I was afraid of that.

Tell me its Peery's job then at this point......

For the most part I've liked about every candidate that has been talked about, Dooley is the ONLY candidate that I think would be a disaster.
What are you guys smoking? I need to get me some of that. Hope Hartwell's not smoking it as well though.

Dooley has an overall record of 114-58 at Florida Gulf Coast (.663) winning at least 22 games a season every year he's coached there. He has reached postseason every single year as well. 2 NCAA tournaments, 2 NIT, and 1 CIT. He has 3 conference titles, and two second place finishes.

Meanwhile Barret Peery wins 20 games against cupcakes and finishes 7th place in the Big Sky failing to get better than a .500 record against those teams in that conference.

And somehow Peery is dreamy and Dooley is a disaster?

I am honestly so confused at what you guys are seeing here. What am I missing?

You've heard all the reasons, you just don't like them.

So, a good JC coach, 20 wins against cupcakes in 1 year of head coaching at the D1 level, and he knows the region. OK. Just checking.

Why would Dooley be a disaster?

Post by **GeoAg** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:12 pm

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I hope this doesn't mean Lloyd is out.

Out of Dooley and Peery, I hope its Peery.

Dooley by a mile for me.

MetsJetsAggies · Post by **MetsJetsAggies** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:12 pm

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Peery suspended his 21 ppg guard North a few games into the Big Sky season (granted they had a few losses by that point already).

His OOC performance is good enough for me. Beat Stanford, blew Cal out (granted they sucked this year), lost to Butler by 2, and anyone who watched them play Duke know it was a LOT closer than the final score would indicate as they were up 4 at half time and winning with under 14 minutes left in the game before Duke pulled away towards the end.
Stanford was barely a top 100 program and it was on a neutral court. But you're right, it was a good win. Especially at portland state. Cal was a terrible program (as you mentioned). RPI sub 200. Had they lost that game it would've been a bad loss. They did lead Duke. But I don't count moral victories as a coaching requirement. I like wins better than coming close to winning.

They had 2 "good" OOC victories. One against Stanford and one against Utah State (who wasn't very good).

In conference they achieved their best victory of the year winning by 1 at Idaho who was around 130 RPI IIRC.

I'm just flabbergasted that people's main arguments for Peery are giving excuses on why he didn't finish higher than 7th place in the Big Sky, and saying that he played Duke close.

Considering he took a PSU program that was pretty awful the prior 2 years, with the same players what he accomplished was pretty impressive in year 1 IMO.

I don't know how well he can recruit, but he was born in Utah, coached in Utah, played at Southern Utah, and has ties to 2 of the best Jucos in the country. I think he would be able to recruit well here at USU.

I don't think Dooley would be a bad hire, I just think Peery is a better fit and might have a bit more upside.

mcaggie1 · Post by **mcaggie1** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:13 pm

I don't get it. Peery wins 20 games against cupcakes. I get that. But he won. He beat USU. His team looked a lot worse when their best player was suspended for most of the conference games. He only had ONE YEAR at PS. ONE YEAR. How can some be so down on him?
There used to be a coach named Stew Morrill. He was lackluster at a school called CSU. His last two seasons there were better at 20 and 9 each year. He took a job at USU, and basically sucked his first year, RIGHT? Based upon the criteria mentioned on this thread, if Stew was a candidate for a HC job after his first year at USU and his moderate success at CSU, I dare say that as fans of the school looking at him......you would be angry and not want him at all.

Peery has had a year coaching a down and out terrible bball program. He inherited nothing much by way of talent. The best player was suspended for most of the season. He won 20 games. Against cupcakes, you say????? Stew built a great legacy, but much of that was on the back of "beating cupcakes" . Like I said before, Peery is not my first choice, but it is looking more and more like he will be our guy, and I am trying not to be too down of him at the start.

Madmartigan · Post by **Madmartigan** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:15 pm

GeoAg wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2018, 3:12 pm

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I hope this doesn't mean Lloyd is out.

Out of Dooley and Peery, I hope its Peery.
Dooley by a mile for me.

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Chupamedia · Post by **Chupamedia** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:15 pm

Dooley - not even close. Would Peery even be considered if he were not LDS? I feel like there are a lot of people pushing for that reason

Madmartigan · Post by **Madmartigan** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:16 pm

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I don't get it. Peery wins 20 games against cupcakes. I get that. But he won. He beat USU. His team looked a lot worse when their best player was suspended for most of the conference games. He only had ONE YEAR at PS. ONE YEAR. How can some be so down on him?
There used to be a coach named Stew Morrill. He was lackluster at a school called CSU. His last two seasons there were better at 20 and 9 each year. He took a job at USU, and basically sucked his first year, RIGHT? Based upon the criteria mentioned on this thread, if Stew was a candidate for a HC job after his first year at USU and his moderate success at CSU, I dare say that as fans of the school looking at him......you would be angry and not want him at all.

Peery has had a year coaching a down and out terrible bball program. He inherited nothing much by way of talent. The best player was suspended for most of the season. He won 20 games. Against cupcakes, you say????? Stew built a great legacy, but much of that was on the back of "beating cupcakes" . Like I said before, Peery is not my first choice, but it is looking more and more like he will be our guy, and I am trying not to be too down of him at the start.

If the two important metrics are amount of head coaching experience at the D1 level and quality of the results, you can't argue Peery over Dooley. Dooley seems like a more safe choice with just as much if not more upside.

MetsJetsAggies · Post by **MetsJetsAggies** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:17 pm

PSU's RPIs the 3 seasons prior to Peery becoming HC were 280, 268 and 225. He took over a dumpster fire.

2004AG · Post by **2004AG** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:17 pm

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2004AG wrote:I hope this doesn't mean Lloyd is out.

Out of Dooley and Peery, I hope its Peery.

Looks like Lloyd is out.

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I was afraid of that.

Tell me its Peery's job then at this point......

For the most part I've liked about every candidate that has been talked about, Dooley is the ONLY candidate that I think would be a disaster.
What are you guys smoking? I need to get me some of that. Hope Hartwell's not smoking it as well though.

Dooley has an overall record of 114-58 at Florida Gulf Coast (.663) winning at least 22 games a season every year he's coached there. He has reached postseason every single year as well. 2 NCAA tournaments, 2 NIT, and 1 CIT. He has 3 conference titles, and two second place finishes.

Meanwhile Barret Peery wins 20 games against cupcakes and finishes 7th place in the Big Sky failing to get better than a .500 record against those teams in that conference.

And somehow Peery is dreamy and Dooley is a disaster?

I am honestly so confused at what you guys are seeing here. What am I missing?

You've heard all the reasons, you just don't like them.
So, a good JC coach, 20 wins against cupcakes in 1 year of head coaching at the D1 level, and he knows the region. OK. Just checking.

Why would Dooley be a disaster?

I'm as perplexed as you are on the opposite side. Joe Dooley? Yuck. I was starting to get excited about next season, but if its him, might as well have kept Duryea.

JonnyCienPesos · Post by **JonnyCienPesos** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:18 pm

Chupamedia wrote:Dooley - not even close. Would Peery even be considered if he were not LDS? I feel like there are a lot of people pushing for that reason

No. That’s not he only reason. He’s a quality coach. Maybe not as proven as Dooley but he’s a good coach.

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Madmartigan · Post by **Madmartigan** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:20 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑
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March 23rd, 2018, 3:08 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2018, 3:06 pm

treesap32 wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2018, 2:52 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2018, 2:33 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2018, 2:29 pm

2004AG wrote:I hope this doesn't mean Lloyd is out.

Out of Dooley and Peery, I hope its Peery.

Looks like Lloyd is out.

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I was afraid of that.

Tell me its Peery's job then at this point......

For the most part I've liked about every candidate that has been talked about, Dooley is the ONLY candidate that I think would be a disaster.
What are you guys smoking? I need to get me some of that. Hope Hartwell's not smoking it as well though.

Dooley has an overall record of 114-58 at Florida Gulf Coast (.663) winning at least 22 games a season every year he's coached there. He has reached postseason every single year as well. 2 NCAA tournaments, 2 NIT, and 1 CIT. He has 3 conference titles, and two second place finishes.

Meanwhile Barret Peery wins 20 games against cupcakes and finishes 7th place in the Big Sky failing to get better than a .500 record against those teams in that conference.

And somehow Peery is dreamy and Dooley is a disaster?

I am honestly so confused at what you guys are seeing here. What am I missing?

You've heard all the reasons, you just don't like them.
So, a good JC coach, 20 wins against cupcakes in 1 year of head coaching at the D1 level, and he knows the region. OK. Just checking.

Why would Dooley be a disaster?
I'm as perplexed as you are on the opposite side. Joe Dooley? Yuck. I was starting to get excited about next season, but if its him, might as well have kept Duryea.

I have not followed eithers career closely, but on paper Dooley looks better. What makes you say this?

stang · Post by **stang** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:27 pm

I don’t hate Peery, though I’d have to talk myself into excitement with him. Dooley gets me excited right away. A proven winner with an excellent pedigree and lots of head coaching experience.

Post by **treesap32** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:33 pm

MetsJetsAggies wrote: ↑
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PSU's RPIs the 3 seasons prior to Peery becoming HC were 280, 268 and 225. He took over a dumpster fire.

True. He made them better. But they still had an RPI of 171 which is still in the "bad" category.

After only 1 year of coaching it's a huge risk to trust him with our program IMO.

Post by **treesap32** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:35 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2018, 3:17 pm
I'm as perplexed as you are on the opposite side. Joe Dooley? Yuck. I was starting to get excited about next season, but if its him, might as well have kept Duryea.

Why would Dooley be a disaster besides the fact that he makes you go "yuck"?

2004AG · Post by **2004AG** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:39 pm

treesap32 wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2018, 3:35 pm

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I'm as perplexed as you are on the opposite side. Joe Dooley? Yuck. I was starting to get excited about next season, but if its him, might as well have kept Duryea.
Why would Dooley be a disaster besides the fact that he makes you go "yuck"?

"Disaster" is probably too strong of a word. I think Peery has much higher upside. Dooley screams mediocrity to me. He took over what Andy Enfield built and just puttered along. Peery on the other hand took over a dumpster fire and turned it around in only one year.

MetsJetsAggies · Post by **MetsJetsAggies** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:41 pm

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PSU's RPIs the 3 seasons prior to Peery becoming HC were 280, 268 and 225. He took over a dumpster fire.
True. He made them better. But they still had an RPI of 171 which is still in the "bad" category.

After only 1 year of coaching it's a huge risk to trust him with our program IMO.

He had a lot of success as HC at 2 different Jucos, and was a national title runner up his last season at Indian Hills. Plus all the assistant coach experience, including Utah and Arizona St.

It's a higher risk, higher reward play. I'm not sure what Dooley's upside is other than what he accomplished at FGCU after taking over a program that went to the S16 right before he became HC

Post by **treesap32** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:45 pm

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PSU's RPIs the 3 seasons prior to Peery becoming HC were 280, 268 and 225. He took over a dumpster fire.
True. He made them better. But they still had an RPI of 171 which is still in the "bad" category.

After only 1 year of coaching it's a huge risk to trust him with our program IMO.
He had a lot of success as HC at 2 different Jucos, and was a national title runner up his last season at Indian Hills. Plus all the assistant coach experience, including Utah and Arizona St.

It's a higher risk, higher reward play. I'm not sure what Dooley's upside is other than what he accomplished at FGCU after taking over a program that went to the S16 right before he became HC

If he can bring us regular season titles 3 of every 5 years with 2nd place finishes in the other years and post-season every single year I'll be pretty happy with that.

I get what you're saying though. He inherited a good team and kept it good while Peery inherited a horrible team and upgraded it to just "bad".

MetsJetsAggies · Post by **MetsJetsAggies** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:49 pm

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PSU's RPIs the 3 seasons prior to Peery becoming HC were 280, 268 and 225. He took over a dumpster fire.
True. He made them better. But they still had an RPI of 171 which is still in the "bad" category.

After only 1 year of coaching it's a huge risk to trust him with our program IMO.
He had a lot of success as HC at 2 different Jucos, and was a national title runner up his last season at Indian Hills. Plus all the assistant coach experience, including Utah and Arizona St.

It's a higher risk, higher reward play. I'm not sure what Dooley's upside is other than what he accomplished at FGCU after taking over a program that went to the S16 right before he became HC
If he can bring us regular season titles 3 of every 5 years with 2nd place finishes in the other years and post-season every single year I'll be pretty happy with that.

I get what you're saying though. He inherited a good team and kept it good while Peery inherited a horrible team and upgraded it to just "bad".

The Atlantic Sun is the 3rd worst conference in the country. It rarely has more than 2 teams above a 200 rpi, doing well in such a conference doesn't really show me anything. Plus they lost in the conf. tournament in 3 of his 5 seasons.

FGCU's RPI (not that this is a great measure of performance anyway) this past season was lower than Portland St's

MetsJetsAggies · Post by **MetsJetsAggies** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:55 pm

I'm not saying Dooley is a terrible coach, I have no clue how he is to be honest. But experience and "success" in the Atlantic Sun doesn't really do anything for me, it's a truly awful conference and has been just about every season he has been HC.

usufan5477 · Post by **usufan5477** » March 23rd, 2018, 3:57 pm

Peery will get the job. I would take Dooley over him tho. Don't think it is a good fit.

2004AG · Post by **2004AG** » March 23rd, 2018, 4:00 pm

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Peery will get the job. I would take Dooley over him tho. Don't think it is a good fit.

Dooley it is then huh.

UncleRico · Post by **UncleRico** » March 23rd, 2018, 4:03 pm

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PSU's RPIs the 3 seasons prior to Peery becoming HC were 280, 268 and 225. He took over a dumpster fire.
True. He made them better. But they still had an RPI of 171 which is still in the "bad" category.

After only 1 year of coaching it's a huge risk to trust him with our program IMO.
He had a lot of success as HC at 2 different Jucos, and was a national title runner up his last season at Indian Hills. Plus all the assistant coach experience, including Utah and Arizona St.

It's a higher risk, higher reward play. I'm not sure what Dooley's upside is other than what he accomplished at FGCU after taking over a program that went to the S16 right before he became HC
If he can bring us regular season titles 3 of every 5 years with 2nd place finishes in the other years and post-season every single year I'll be pretty happy with that.

I get what you're saying though. He inherited a good team and kept it good while Peery inherited a horrible team and upgraded it to just "bad".
The Atlantic Sun is the 3rd worst conference in the country. It rarely has more than 2 teams above a 200 rpi, doing well in such a conference doesn't really show me anything. Plus they lost in the conf. tournament in 3 of his 5 seasons.

FGCU's RPI (not that this is a great measure of performance anyway) this past season was lower than Portland St's

So he lost the conf tournament 3 of his 5 seasons, meaning he won the conference tournament 2 of his 5 seasons? Sign me up for some of that. I get that the ASun is not good basketball, but he has done quite well relative to his peers. Does FGCU have built in advantages that other ASun schools do not, so the success should be expected? I don't follow that conference.

WasatchAggie · Post by **WasatchAggie** » March 23rd, 2018, 4:04 pm

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They had 2 "good" OOC victories. One against Stanford and one against Utah State (who wasn't very good).

In conference they achieved their best victory of the year winning by 1 at Idaho who was around 130 RPI IIRC.

IIRC, the last winning coach we hired beat us and then came to USU? You have to like the common theme between Stew and Peery.

Post by **treesap32** » March 23rd, 2018, 4:06 pm

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PSU's RPIs the 3 seasons prior to Peery becoming HC were 280, 268 and 225. He took over a dumpster fire.
True. He made them better. But they still had an RPI of 171 which is still in the "bad" category.

After only 1 year of coaching it's a huge risk to trust him with our program IMO.
He had a lot of success as HC at 2 different Jucos, and was a national title runner up his last season at Indian Hills. Plus all the assistant coach experience, including Utah and Arizona St.

It's a higher risk, higher reward play. I'm not sure what Dooley's upside is other than what he accomplished at FGCU after taking over a program that went to the S16 right before he became HC
If he can bring us regular season titles 3 of every 5 years with 2nd place finishes in the other years and post-season every single year I'll be pretty happy with that.

I get what you're saying though. He inherited a good team and kept it good while Peery inherited a horrible team and upgraded it to just "bad".
The Atlantic Sun is the 3rd worst conference in the country. It rarely has more than 2 teams above a 200 rpi, doing well in such a conference doesn't really show me anything. Plus they lost in the conf. tournament in 3 of his 5 seasons.

FGCU's RPI (not that this is a great measure of performance anyway) this past season was lower than Portland St's

All valid points.

I'd still take success among peers and yearly postseasons over going from terrible to bad and finishing in the middle of the pack among peers at this point.

Peery may prove to be the better coach. He just hasn't shown much yet and is a bigger risk.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » March 23rd, 2018, 4:08 pm

So - with the candidates down to two; one being the head coach of a Big West team that finished 7th in conference, and the second being the head coach from some conference in the southeast that nobody has heard of, am I to infer that Hartwell's claim that his phone has been ringing off the hook from people interested is either overstated or the people interested are less qualified than these top two?

Also - did Lloyd contact Hartwell expressing interest? Or, more likely, did Hartwell reach out to Lloyd? Hartwell said that we would be surprised by the big names that were expressing interest -- it seems the top candidates are quite ho-hum.

RivertonAG · Post by **RivertonAG** » March 23rd, 2018, 4:12 pm

Not saying these guys won't pan out, but looking for a reason to be excited about the future.......meter is not being moved.

MetsJetsAggies · Post by **MetsJetsAggies** » March 23rd, 2018, 4:13 pm

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PSU's RPIs the 3 seasons prior to Peery becoming HC were 280, 268 and 225. He took over a dumpster fire.
True. He made them better. But they still had an RPI of 171 which is still in the "bad" category.

After only 1 year of coaching it's a huge risk to trust him with our program IMO.
He had a lot of success as HC at 2 different Jucos, and was a national title runner up his last season at Indian Hills. Plus all the assistant coach experience, including Utah and Arizona St.

It's a higher risk, higher reward play. I'm not sure what Dooley's upside is other than what he accomplished at FGCU after taking over a program that went to the S16 right before he became HC
If he can bring us regular season titles 3 of every 5 years with 2nd place finishes in the other years and post-season every single year I'll be pretty happy with that.

I get what you're saying though. He inherited a good team and kept it good while Peery inherited a horrible team and upgraded it to just "bad".
The Atlantic Sun is the 3rd worst conference in the country. It rarely has more than 2 teams above a 200 rpi, doing well in such a conference doesn't really show me anything. Plus they lost in the conf. tournament in 3 of his 5 seasons.

FGCU's RPI (not that this is a great measure of performance anyway) this past season was lower than Portland St's
So he lost the conf tournament 3 of his 5 seasons, meaning he won the conference tournament 2 of his 5 seasons? Sign me up for some of that. I get that the ASun is not good basketball, but he has done quite well relative to his peers. Does FGCU have built in advantages that other ASun schools do not, so the success should be expected? I don't follow that conference.

In the 3rd worst conference in the country? The Atlantic Sun has only 8 schools, it is the equivalent of 6 San Jose States and an Air Force.

I get the peers thing, but FGCU was the best program in a terrible bunch. They were a top 100 program and went to the Sweet 16, the fame and hype of Dunk City's run alone should have been enough to go win that conference tournament every year for a few years after that in such a barren conference.

2004AG · Post by **2004AG** » March 23rd, 2018, 4:13 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2018, 4:08 pm
So - with the candidates down to two; one being the head coach of a Big West team that finished 7th in conference, and the second being the head coach from some conference in the southeast that nobody has heard of, am I to infer that Hartwell's claim that his phone has been ringing off the hook from people interested is either overstated or the people interested are less qualified than these top two?

Also - did Lloyd contact Hartwell expressing interest? Or, more likely, did Hartwell reach out to Lloyd? Hartwell said that we would be surprised by the big names that were expressing interest -- it seems the top candidates are quite ho-hum.

Sounds about right......

JonnyCienPesos · Post by **JonnyCienPesos** » March 23rd, 2018, 4:15 pm

MetsJetsAggies wrote:
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MetsJetsAggies wrote: ↑
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treesap32 wrote: ↑
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MetsJetsAggies wrote: ↑
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treesap32 wrote: ↑
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PSU's RPIs the 3 seasons prior to Peery becoming HC were 280, 268 and 225. He took over a dumpster fire.
True. He made them better. But they still had an RPI of 171 which is still in the "bad" category.

After only 1 year of coaching it's a huge risk to trust him with our program IMO.
He had a lot of success as HC at 2 different Jucos, and was a national title runner up his last season at Indian Hills. Plus all the assistant coach experience, including Utah and Arizona St.

It's a higher risk, higher reward play. I'm not sure what Dooley's upside is other than what he accomplished at FGCU after taking over a program that went to the S16 right before he became HC
If he can bring us regular season titles 3 of every 5 years with 2nd place finishes in the other years and post-season every single year I'll be pretty happy with that.

I get what you're saying though. He inherited a good team and kept it good while Peery inherited a horrible team and upgraded it to just "bad".
The Atlantic Sun is the 3rd worst conference in the country. It rarely has more than 2 teams above a 200 rpi, doing well in such a conference doesn't really show me anything. Plus they lost in the conf. tournament in 3 of his 5 seasons.

FGCU's RPI (not that this is a great measure of performance anyway) this past season was lower than Portland St's
So he lost the conf tournament 3 of his 5 seasons, meaning he won the conference tournament 2 of his 5 seasons? Sign me up for some of that. I get that the ASun is not good basketball, but he has done quite well relative to his peers. Does FGCU have built in advantages that other ASun schools do not, so the success should be expected? I don't follow that conference.
In the 3rd worst conference in the country? The Atlantic Sun has only 8 schools, it is the equivalent of 6 San Jose States and an Air Force.

I get the peers thing, but FGCU was the best program in a terrible bunch. They were a top 100 program and went to the Sweet 16, the fame and hype of Dunk City's run alone should have been enough to go win that conference tournament every year for a few years after that in such a barren conference.

If we introduced Dooley as a long time assistant at Kansas instead of HC at Florida Gulf Coast I’m guessing it would get more excitement

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Roy McAvoy · Post by **Roy McAvoy** » March 23rd, 2018, 4:15 pm

treesap32 wrote: ↑
March 23rd, 2018, 4:06 pm

Peery may prove to be the better coach. He just hasn't shown much yet and is a bigger risk.

Bigger risk = potential for a bigger return.

FGCU's conference (Atlantic Sun)is incredibly weak and he's had 4 years to do something there. Dooley has won, but not a ton. Talking about "Tier 1" wins with Peery too, Dooley doesn't have 1 single Tier 1 win in 5 years at FGCU.

Dooley also was a head coach at East Carolina but was fired in '99.

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